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Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

CarlottaVance said:

Mr Starmer’s certainly annoying all the right people:

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/977825296215871489?s=20

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

We shall see. If rules are broken there should be some consequences, but as noted last thread they dont rerun every election where some spending rules were not followed, so what would be proportionate, if it is true.

SouthamObserver said:

AlastairMeeks said:

SouthamObserver said:

Gadfly said:

Rod Liddle's take on Corbyn in today's Times (£)...

"Nothing proves Jeremy Corbyn is anti-semitic — just everything he says and does"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/nothing-proves-jeremy-corbyn-is-anti-semitic-just-everything-he-says-anddoes-sh0n23hg0

The right shamefully dog-whistled its way through the EU referendum campaign and the London mayoral election =- with Rod Liddle being a perfect example. But he and his mates are absolutely correct about Corbyn. So, not only is the Labour leader's refusal to challenge anti-Semitism morally wrong, it is also politically destructive. Once again, he is the Tory get out of jail free card.

Just as the hard left don’t care about anti-Semitism, the Leavers don’t care about their xenophobic lies. Both get annoyed when you point out their blind spots. Neither are going to do anything about dealing with them.

What does that mean? It means that neither will lose much support because camps are too entrenched. And both are capping their support by entrenching their opponents.

I suspect that the far left's history of hanging out with anti-Semites and Jew-baiters is only now becoming more widely known. I do think it will cost Labour support in some of the more middle-class, anti-Brexit constituencies where the party did well in 2017.

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

We shall see. If rules are broken there should be some consequences, but as noted last thread they dont rerun every election where some spending rules were not followed, so what would be proportionate, if it is true.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

We shall see. If rules are broken there should be some consequences, but as noted last thread they dont rerun every election where some spending rules were not followed, so what would be proportionate, if it is true.

It was stated last night that the electoral commission have already reviewed this twice and found no evidence of law breaking but they are now investigated all involved in the referendum including the remain campaign

kle4 said:

SouthamObserver said:

AlastairMeeks said:

SouthamObserver said:

Gadfly said:

Rod Liddle's take on Corbyn in today's Times (£)...

"Nothing proves Jeremy Corbyn is anti-semitic — just everything he says and does"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/nothing-proves-jeremy-corbyn-is-anti-semitic-just-everything-he-says-anddoes-sh0n23hg0

The right shamefully dog-whistled its way through the EU referendum campaign and the London mayoral election =- with Rod Liddle being a perfect example. But he and his mates are absolutely correct about Corbyn. So, not only is the Labour leader's refusal to challenge anti-Semitism morally wrong, it is also politically destructive. Once again, he is the Tory get out of jail free card.

Just as the hard left don’t care about anti-Semitism, the Leavers don’t care about their xenophobic lies. Both get annoyed when you point out their blind spots. Neither are going to do anything about dealing with them.

What does that mean? It means that neither will lose much support because camps are too entrenched. And both are capping their support by entrenching their opponents.

I suspect that the far left's history of hanging out with anti-Semites and Jew-baiters is only now becoming more widely known. I do think it will cost Labour support in some of the more middle-class, anti-Brexit constituencies where the party did well in 2017.

Stories like this have made the rounds for years now. Why would it cut through now if it didn't before? What is different?

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

We shall see. If rules are broken there should be some consequences, but as noted last thread they dont rerun every election where some spending rules were not followed, so what would be proportionate, if it is true.

It was stated last night that the electoral commission have already reviewed this twice and found no evidence of law breaking but they are now investigated all involved in the referendum including the remain campaign

I know. Sometimes further investigations of the same thing uncover new things. Maybe that will happen, maybe not.

ThomasNashe said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

We shall see. If rules are broken there should be some consequences, but as noted last thread they dont rerun every election where some spending rules were not followed, so what would be proportionate, if it is true.

It was stated last night that the electoral commission have already reviewed this twice and found no evidence of law breaking but they are now investigated all involved in the referendum including the remain campaign

I know. Sometimes further investigations of the same thing uncover new things. Maybe that will happen, maybe not.

What we have found out in the last week about the operations of Cambridge Analytica is justification enough for having another look.

daodao said:

kle4 said:

daodao said:

SouthamObserver said:

AlastairMeeks said:

SouthamObserver said:

Gadfly said:

Rod Liddle's take on Corbyn in today's Times (£)...

"Nothing proves Jeremy Corbyn is anti-semitic — just everything he says and does"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/nothing-proves-jeremy-corbyn-is-anti-semitic-just-everything-he-says-anddoes-sh0n23hg0

The right shamefully dog-whistled its way through the EU referendum campaign and the London mayoral election =- with Rod Liddle being a perfect example. But he and his mates are absolutely correct about Corbyn. So, not only is the Labour leader's refusal to challenge anti-Semitism morally wrong, it is also politically destructive. Once again, he is the Tory get out of jail free card.

Just as the hard left don’t care about anti-Semitism, the Leavers don’t care about their xenophobic lies. Both get annoyed when you point out their blind spots. Neither are going to do anything about dealing with them.

What does that mean? It means that neither will lose much support because camps are too entrenched. And both are capping their support by entrenching their opponents.

I suspect that the far left's history of hanging out with anti-Semites and Jew-baiters is only now becoming more widely known. I do think it will cost Labour support in some of the more middle-class, anti-Brexit constituencies where the party did well in 2017.

Taking a hostile view of Jews and Israel is not a vote-loser in general. It is likely to help the Labour party gain votes in most areas, with Barnet being one of the few exceptions. While not openly expressed, as it would now be non-PC, such views are just as widely held among the well-to-do as the working classes.

If it is not expressed how do we know that?

Though I don't dispute the possibility such things can be less than obvious. I was very surprised and saddened when my father criticised ed m as a little jew boy, seemingly out of nowhere.

I am convinced that Labour did particularly badly at the 2015 GE precisely because of views such as those held by your father.

Major British political parties fare better when led by a WASP.

williamglenn said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

Oh this story will make no difference now. The Observer could have Boris Johnson on film taking money from Vladimir Putin in return for a commitment to abolish democracy and Leavers wouldn’t care because Brexit.

But sooner or later those who wish Brexit to be a success are going to need to find a way of reaching out to those who remain sceptical. Right now, they’re bellyflopping.

No we don't. You are irreconcilable. You certainly don't represent all those who voted Remain and your fanaticism precludes any rapprochement. You are like the old Russian Communists after the collapse of the Soviet Union and you will go to your graves swearing it was all a terrible mistake no matter what the outcome.

The Leave victory was based on campaign abuses and xenophobia. Unless it is a stunning success which allows you to rewrite history, in the long-term it is doomed no matter what because of the basic political dynamics that spring from the way Brexit was won.

JWisemann said:

On topic, I think this obviously manufactured anti-semitism storm redux will have just as much effect as when it was wheeled out like clockwork just before every other post-corbyn election by his enemies in the far-right media and their quisling collaborators on Labour’s ultra-Blairite right, i.e. next to nothing. Its just a sign of the desperate situation his opponents now find themselves in that this the best theyve got.

SouthamObserver said:

This does not look to be the smartest Tweet ever sent out. Think about what the government is admitting here ...
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/977814580046057472

AlastairMeeks said:

Consistently more voters think the vote to Brexit was wrong than right. You need to win some of the sceptics round.

kle4 said:

Including something because it made the writer smile not journalistic practice?

williamglenn said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

Oh this story will make no difference now. The Observer could have Boris Johnson on film taking money from Vladimir Putin in return for a commitment to abolish democracy and Leavers wouldn’t care because Brexit.

But sooner or later those who wish Brexit to be a success are going to need to find a way of reaching out to those who remain sceptical. Right now, they’re bellyflopping.

No we don't. You are irreconcilable. You certainly don't represent all those who voted Remain and your fanaticism precludes any rapprochement. You are like the old Russian Communists after the collapse of the Soviet Union and you will go to your graves swearing it was all a terrible mistake no matter what the outcome.

The Leave victory was based on campaign abuses and xenophobia. Unless it is a stunning success which allows you to rewrite history, in the long-term it is doomed no matter what because of the basic political dynamics that spring from the way Brexit was won.

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

This does not look to be the smartest Tweet ever sent out. Think about what the government is admitting here ...
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/977814580046057472

Perhaps you could tell us.

But to me, 3,000 extra midwifes to save 700 babies looks like it might not be the best use for more NHS spending on a cost/benefit basis.

HYUFD said:

Sean_F said:

I'd put Labour's chances at 60% in Barnet, but no higher.

Across London as a whole, there was a swing of 4.5% to Labour between 2014 and 2017. There was no swing in Barnet, suggesting the Conservative vote here is very solid.

There may have been a 4.5% swing to Labour in London between 2014 and 2017 but there was a 2% swing to the Tories from 2014 to 2017 across the UK suggesting that even though Labour may make significant gains in London in May the Tories may actually make gains in England outside the capital

SouthamObserver said:

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

This does not look to be the smartest Tweet ever sent out. Think about what the government is admitting here ...
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/977814580046057472

Perhaps you could tell us.

But to me, 3,000 extra midwifes to save 700 babies looks like it might not be the best use for more NHS spending on a cost/benefit basis.

It made me think that if the government knows that recruiting 3,000 extra midwives would save 700 babies a year they should have done it a long time ago.

Gardenwalker said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

Oh this story will make no difference now. The Observer could have Boris Johnson on film taking money from Vladimir Putin in return for a commitment to abolish democracy and Leavers wouldn’t care because Brexit.

But sooner or later those who wish Brexit to be a success are going to need to find a way of reaching out to those who remain sceptical. Right now, they’re bellyflopping.

No we don't. You are irreconcilable. You certainly don't represent all those who voted Remain and your fanaticism precludes any rapprochement. You are like the old Russian Communists after the collapse of the Soviet Union and you will go to your graves swearing it was all a terrible mistake no matter what the outcome.

The Leave victory was based on campaign abuses and xenophobia. Unless it is a stunning success which allows you to rewrite history, in the long-term it is doomed no matter what because of the basic political dynamics that spring from the way Brexit was won.

No it was not. That is just your fevered imagination. It is you who are trying to rewrite history in a typically Soviet fashion.

Cummings kept most of the spend back until the last few weeks, when they went hell for leather on Turkey and immigration.

Great strategy, and Remain had no rebuttal.

Sean_F said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

Oh this story will make no difference now. The Observer could have Boris Johnson on film taking money from Vladimir Putin in return for a commitment to abolish democracy and Leavers wouldn’t care because Brexit.

But sooner or later those who wish Brexit to be a success are going to need to find a way of reaching out to those who remain sceptical. Right now, they’re bellyflopping.

No we don't. You are irreconcilable. You certainly don't represent all those who voted Remain and your fanaticism precludes any rapprochement. You are like the old Russian Communists after the collapse of the Soviet Union and you will go to your graves swearing it was all a terrible mistake no matter what the outcome.

The Leave victory was based on campaign abuses and xenophobia. Unless it is a stunning success which allows you to rewrite history, in the long-term it is doomed no matter what because of the basic political dynamics that spring from the way Brexit was won.

One would have to be very obtuse not to realise that there was for a long time, widespread public unhappiness with the EU. And that unhappiness was not based around a desire for More Europe.

Remain lost because it was selling a bad product (in most voters' eyes).

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

This does not look to be the smartest Tweet ever sent out. Think about what the government is admitting here ...
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/977814580046057472

Perhaps you could tell us.

But to me, 3,000 extra midwifes to save 700 babies looks like it might not be the best use for more NHS spending on a cost/benefit basis.

Roger said:

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

This does not look to be the smartest Tweet ever sent out. Think about what the government is admitting here ...
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/977814580046057472

Perhaps you could tell us.

But to me, 3,000 extra midwifes to save 700 babies looks like it might not be the best use for more NHS spending on a cost/benefit basis.

The man's a clown. How long have we been losing 700 babies a year because of the government's parsimony?

Roger said:

Sean_F said:

Roger said:

SouthamObserver said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/977833275065552901

More significantly, didn't Davis say that no hard border between NI and the RoI means no cameras? If so, that's a pretty big statement and seems to kill of a technological solution to the current impasse.

Gina Miller certain to take this back to court. When you thought no team could sink lower than the Australians you discover 'Vote Leave' have done just that. If proven the referendum surely has to be re-run

Be careful what you wish for. A re-run referendum would most likely turn out like the Winchester by-election.

That's a matter of opinion. My own view is that the Remain campaign was fought on the wrong issues and they won't make that mistake again. On the other side Leave were allowed to run a xenophobic/racist campaign which they weren't called out on. I think you'd be looking at a completely fresh page.

Roger said:

Sean_F said:

Roger said:

SouthamObserver said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/977833275065552901

More significantly, didn't Davis say that no hard border between NI and the RoI means no cameras? If so, that's a pretty big statement and seems to kill of a technological solution to the current impasse.

Gina Miller certain to take this back to court. When you thought no team could sink lower than the Australians you discover 'Vote Leave' have done just that. If proven the referendum surely has to be re-run

Be careful what you wish for. A re-run referendum would most likely turn out like the Winchester by-election.

That's a matter of opinion. My own view is that the Remain campaign was fought on the wrong issues and they won't make that mistake again. On the other side Leave were allowed to run a xenophobic/racist campaign which they weren't called out on. I think you'd be looking at a completely fresh page.

ThomasNashe said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

We shall see. If rules are broken there should be some consequences, but as noted last thread they dont rerun every election where some spending rules were not followed, so what would be proportionate, if it is true.

It was stated last night that the electoral commission have already reviewed this twice and found no evidence of law breaking but they are now investigated all involved in the referendum including the remain campaign

I know. Sometimes further investigations of the same thing uncover new things. Maybe that will happen, maybe not.

What we have found out in the last week about the operations of Cambridge Analytica is justification enough for having another look.

rottenborough said:

Bold from Janet Daley this morning:

"So Mr Corbyn is almost certainly now unelectable and Mrs May is, as of the time of writing, secure in her position. Imagine that."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/24/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-have-united-uk-eu-ways-no-one-expected/

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

As the Labour left colludes with anti-Semites and Jew-baiters, the Tory right snuggles up to xenophobes and racists. It will not end well.
https://twitter.com/PaddyBriggs/status/977465859856879616

And metropolitan bigots like Matthew Parris spray their hatred about 'people like them'.

But you know what, I suspect that people aren't any different to what they've always been.

Only now the internet allows loud-mouths to sound off beyond the limits of their local pub and declining economic growth means that the only way for people to fund the lifestyle they think they deserve is to have wealth taken from other groups.

Roger said:

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

This does not look to be the smartest Tweet ever sent out. Think about what the government is admitting here ...
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/977814580046057472

Perhaps you could tell us.

But to me, 3,000 extra midwifes to save 700 babies looks like it might not be the best use for more NHS spending on a cost/benefit basis.

The man's a clown. How long have we been losing 700 babies a year because of the government's parsimony?

Jonathan said:

SouthamObserver said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

There’s a surprise :-D

This story is going absolutely nowhere, though. There’s no-one in any position of power or influence to take it forward. And there’s no hook to grab the attention of anyone outside the political bubble.

The argument that the remain campaign was dodgy adds to the case to rerun the vote.

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

Gardenwalker said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

Oh this story will make no difference now. The Observer could have Boris Johnson on film taking money from Vladimir Putin in return for a commitment to abolish democracy and Leavers wouldn’t care because Brexit.

But sooner or later those who wish Brexit to be a success are going to need to find a way of reaching out to those who remain sceptical. Right now, they’re bellyflopping.

The Leave victory was based on campaign abuses and xenophobia. Unless it is a stunning success which allows you to rewrite history, in the long-term it is doomed no matter what because of the basic political dynamics that spring from the way Brexit was won.

No it was not. That is just your fevered imagination. It is you who are trying to rewrite history in a typically Soviet fashion.

Cummings kept most of the spend back until the last few weeks, when they went hell for leather on Turkey and immigration.

Great strategy, and Remain had no rebuttal.

Then, they should have done.

It's interesting how all these things we could apparently do whilst still in the EU - such as controlling immigration, and blue passports - weren't mentioned by anyone anywhere in the Remain camp, during the campaign.

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

As the Labour left colludes with anti-Semites and Jew-baiters, the Tory right snuggles up to xenophobes and racists. It will not end well.
https://twitter.com/PaddyBriggs/status/977465859856879616

And metropolitan bigots like Matthew Parris spray their hatred about 'people like them'.

But you know what, I suspect that people aren't any different to what they've always been.

Only now the internet allows loud-mouths to sound off beyond the limits of their local pub and declining economic growth means that the only way for people to fund the lifestyle they think they deserve is to have wealth taken from other groups.

Roger said:

OT. Listening to the Australian cheating debacle...I can remember examples of individual cheating in international sport but never something involving a whole team. I wonder whether the election of the amoral Trump has created a climate where this sort of behaviour has now become the norm

Gardenwalker said:

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

Gardenwalker said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole Cadwalladr has a story with awkward facts and questions to answer for the Leave campaign. So far all Leave have provided in response is ad hominem and provable lies.

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

Oh this story will make no difference now. The Observer could have Boris Johnson on film taking money from Vladimir Putin in return for a commitment to abolish democracy and Leavers wouldn’t care because Brexit.

But sooner or later those who wish Brexit to be a success are going to need to find a way of reaching out to those who remain sceptical. Right now, they’re bellyflopping.

The Leave victory was based on campaign abuses and xenophobia. Unless it is a stunning success which allows you to rewrite history, in the long-term it is doomed no matter what because of the basic political dynamics that spring from the way Brexit was won.

No it was not. That is just your fevered imagination. It is you who are trying to rewrite history in a typically Soviet fashion.

Cummings kept most of the spend back until the last few weeks, when they went hell for leather on Turkey and immigration.

Great strategy, and Remain had no rebuttal.

Then, they should have done.

It's interesting how all these things we could apparently do whilst still in the EU - such as controlling immigration, and blue passports - weren't mentioned by anyone anywhere in the Remain camp, during the campaign.

Remain was utterly complacent and doubled down on FEAR, because it apparently won the Scottish ref. Blame Cameron and the milksops like Will Straw who led the campaign.

Floater said:

Roger said:

OT. Listening to the Australian cheating debacle...I can remember examples of individual cheating in international sport but never something involving a whole team. I wonder whether the election of the amoral Trump has created a climate where this sort of behaviour has now become the norm

oh dear god - really?

SouthamObserver said:

Casino_Royale said:

Roger said:

Sean_F said:

Roger said:

SouthamObserver said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/977833275065552901

More significantly, didn't Davis say that no hard border between NI and the RoI means no cameras? If so, that's a pretty big statement and seems to kill of a technological solution to the current impasse.

Gina Miller certain to take this back to court. When you thought no team could sink lower than the Australians you discover 'Vote Leave' have done just that. If proven the referendum surely has to be re-run

Be careful what you wish for. A re-run referendum would most likely turn out like the Winchester by-election.

That's a matter of opinion. My own view is that the Remain campaign was fought on the wrong issues and they won't make that mistake again. On the other side Leave were allowed to run a xenophobic/racist campaign which they weren't called out on. I think you'd be looking at a completely fresh page.

The mistake you're making is thinking most floating voters secretly think like you do.

They don't.

Remain would very probably lose by a bigger margin (and nothing is certain, of course) because they have learnt nothing, and forgotten nothing.

The immigration point was certainly made. But it could not be made by the leaders of the Remain campaign for obvious reasons. I am not sure the colour of our passports was an issue for either side.

Roger said:

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

This does not look to be the smartest Tweet ever sent out. Think about what the government is admitting here ...
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/977814580046057472

Perhaps you could tell us.

But to me, 3,000 extra midwifes to save 700 babies looks like it might not be the best use for more NHS spending on a cost/benefit basis.

The man's a clown. How long have we been losing 700 babies a year because of the government's parsimony?

Sean_F said:

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

As the Labour left colludes with anti-Semites and Jew-baiters, the Tory right snuggles up to xenophobes and racists. It will not end well.
https://twitter.com/PaddyBriggs/status/977465859856879616

And metropolitan bigots like Matthew Parris spray their hatred about 'people like them'.

But you know what, I suspect that people aren't any different to what they've always been.

Only now the internet allows loud-mouths to sound off beyond the limits of their local pub and declining economic growth means that the only way for people to fund the lifestyle they think they deserve is to have wealth taken from other groups.

Parris' article about Clacton and its inhabitants, in 2014, was a real eye-opener.

ThomasNashe said:

Alastair Meeks: 'But sooner or later those who wish Brexit to be a success are going to need to find a way of reaching out to those who remain sceptical.'

That boat sailed away some time ago ... If I can't be a citizen of Europe, I will proudly stand for the 'citizen of nowhere' anthem.

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

As the Labour left colludes with anti-Semites and Jew-baiters, the Tory right snuggles up to xenophobes and racists. It will not end well.
https://twitter.com/PaddyBriggs/status/977465859856879616

And metropolitan bigots like Matthew Parris spray their hatred about 'people like them'.

But you know what, I suspect that people aren't any different to what they've always been.

Only now the internet allows loud-mouths to sound off beyond the limits of their local pub and declining economic growth means that the only way for people to fund the lifestyle they think they deserve is to have wealth taken from other groups.

Charles said:

ThomasNashe said:

Alastair Meeks: 'But sooner or later those who wish Brexit to be a success are going to need to find a way of reaching out to those who remain sceptical.'

That boat sailed away some time ago ... If I can't be a citizen of Europe, I will proudly stand for the 'citizen of nowhere' anthem.

I know 1 “citizen of nowhere”

He has organised his life so that he spends less than 90 days in any country each year. He literally does not pay income tax anywhere

I like him on a personal level but find the way he has organised his tax affairs despicable

Gardenwalker said:

Casino_Royale said:

Gardenwalker said:

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

Gardenwalker said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

williamglenn said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

AlastairMeeks said:

CarlottaVance said:

PeterC said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

For conspiracy followers real bust up between Cadwalladr and Oakshott on Marr - do not know too much about this bubble story but Cadwallader seems to have an anti Brexit agenda

I gather it is the Brexiteers' Brexiteer versus the Remoaners' Remoaner.

One view:

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/977826579295408128?s=20

One nut-nut bigging up another nut-nut.

Carole

Two sides to every story and this one is going nowhere

O
But sooner or later those who wish Brexit to be a success are going to need to find a way of reaching out to those who remain sceptical. Right now, they’re bellyflopping.

The

No it was not. That is just your fevered imagination. It is you who are trying to rewrite history in a typically Soviet fashion.

Cummings kept most of the spend back until the last few weeks, when they went hell for leather on Turkey and immigration.

Great strategy, and Remain had no rebuttal.

Then, they should have done.

It's .

Remain was utterly complacent and doubled down on FEAR, because it apparently won the Scottish ref. Blame Cameron and the milksops like Will Straw who led the campaign.

And, I think Remain were afraid of making the case themselves they secretly believed in: which is that More Europe and European federalisation, with the UK having a seat at the table, right at the centre of it, offered a better long-term future than national democracy.

Voters sniffed that out.

I don’t think there’s any evidence for that whatsoever. Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

SouthamObserver said:

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

As the Labour left colludes with anti-Semites and Jew-baiters, the Tory right snuggles up to xenophobes and racists. It will not end well.
https://twitter.com/PaddyBriggs/status/977465859856879616

And metropolitan bigots like Matthew Parris spray their hatred about 'people like them'.

But you know what, I suspect that people aren't any different to what they've always been.

Only now the internet allows loud-mouths to sound off beyond the limits of their local pub and declining economic growth means that the only way for people to fund the lifestyle they think they deserve is to have wealth taken from other groups.

A country full of hate is a country in deep trouble. And that is the country we are turning into. As I say, it will not end well.

Charles said:

SouthamObserver said:

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

This does not look to be the smartest Tweet ever sent out. Think about what the government is admitting here ...
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/977814580046057472

Perhaps you could tell us.

But to me, 3,000 extra midwifes to save 700 babies looks like it might not be the best use for more NHS spending on a cost/benefit basis.

It made me think that if the government knows that recruiting 3,000 extra midwives would save 700 babies a year they should have done it a long time ago.

That’s just the CCO interns doing maths.

I can see how it will be misused politically but the factual basis will be extrapolation at best

SouthamObserver said:

another_richard said:

SouthamObserver said:

As the Labour left colludes with anti-Semites and Jew-baiters, the Tory right snuggles up to xenophobes and racists. It will not end well.
https://twitter.com/PaddyBriggs/status/977465859856879616

And metropolitan bigots like Matthew Parris spray their hatred about 'people like them'.

But you know what, I suspect that people aren't any different to what they've always been.

Only now the internet allows loud-mouths to sound off beyond the limits of their local pub and declining economic growth means that the only way for people to fund the lifestyle they think they deserve is to have wealth taken from other groups.

A country full of hate is a country in deep trouble. And that is the country we are turning into. As I say, it will not end well.

Foxy said:

HYUFD said:

Sean_F said:

I'd put Labour's chances at 60% in Barnet, but no higher.

Across London as a whole, there was a swing of 4.5% to Labour between 2014 and 2017. There was no swing in Barnet, suggesting the Conservative vote here is very solid.

There may have been a 4.5% swing to Labour in London between 2014 and 2017 but there was a 2% swing to the Tories from 2014 to 2017 across the UK suggesting that even though Labour may make significant gains in London in May the Tories may actually make gains in England outside the capital

Looking at the places up for grabs, I am not so sure. The council seats here do not look favourable for the Tories, though a bit may depend on how former kippers break. Last years GE and local byelections more recently suggest that this is far less to the Tories than was routinely opined here a year ago. There may be isolated Tory gains (TSE may perhaps suggest Sheffield as the lumberjacks go to work), but I reckon these are not areas for major Tory gains:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_local_elections,_2018