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As long as it is not Gavin Williamson as the fresher face !!!HHemmelig said:
You might be right, but many people age a great deal between their late 60s and early 70s. Especially in a highly stressful job like his when most of those his age are already retired. Will people really be willing to elect someone who will be pushing 80 at the time of the following election? Presumably against a younger and fresher face on the Tory side? It does depend of course who the Tories replace May with. But some people I know on the sane side of the Labour party are not confident that there will ever be a Prime Minister Corbyn.TOPPING said:
If he is eloquent on the stump, wears his Wolfie apparel to public gatherings and Goldman Sachs suit & tie on Newsnight I don't think people will mind his age.HHemmelig said:
Jezza's biggest enemy is time. He is the classic Old Man In A Hurry, of whom the old saying warns us to beware. He will be 73 in 2022 and this will seriously damage his chances of winning the election if the parliament runs its full course. His best chance of becoming PM is & always has been if an early election is forced.TOPPING said:
Tezza would have to up her game by significantly more than Jezza.TheJezziah said:I'm up for May vs Corbyn take 2, think Labour will fancy their chances of improving on their current position in that scenario.
Also the talk of Corbyn being replaced is very optimistic, it just doesn't look likely at all.
I can hear her advisors saying: "But you handled the Russian crisis so well and everyone saw you fist bump that actual person so there really is no need to take part in the debates..."
I was going to then say, that if anyone should mention it, he needs only make a reference to the Royal Family and their longevity to a) disperse criticism, and b) bring the unlikeliest of sceptics on side...but then I realised, sadly, that no one can be sure who will be the monarch, come 2020 although I would happily back at odds on it will still be HMQ.0 -
The "UK on day one of Brexit unilaterally deciding not to enforce customs checks, and other border checks" - is that 'taking back control' and will it tackle immigration problems?TheScreamingEagles said:
The scenarios described to Sky News have been broadly interpreted by the industry as "hard Brexit", "soft Brexit" and "no deal". It is the last scenario that has raised the most eyebrows in industry.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
"This is what we call the 'Throw Open the Borders option,'" said one operator. The scenario involves the UK on day one of Brexit unilaterally deciding not to enforce customs checks, and other border checks, and presuming that a reciprocal approach will be taken by the European Union, and thus at least temporarily maintaining a non-negotiated form of frictionless trade in goods.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-playing-chicken-with-the-channel-tunnel-112917670 -
Latest circulation figures show the Mail has lost its crown to...the Metro!Benpointer said:
Hahaha - brilliant on so many levels!Theuniondivvie said:When he isn't jacking off horses, your uncle subs for the DM.
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/974575730641244161
(I haven't lowered myself to buy it, so this is just hearsay, but one of the comments to Mance's twitter notes that the DM still has "Newspaper of the Year" in it's masthead. Not that they're sore or anything.)
Interesting to see that the FT outsells the Guardian. And the Evening Standard is 6th most widely read in the country.
All papers continue to lose (physical) circulation numbers, although the free ones are broadly static.0 -
And doesn’t promise to nick your granny’s house if she loses her marbles..Pulpstar said:
Well he's a good campaigner. May doesn't need to beat him campaigning, but the public will forgive her slightly wooden manner providing she shows upSandpit said:
But the Faithful will point to what happened during the campaign last year, and think it could play out the same way again.MarqueeMark said:
Except, if the polls were to settle around say Tories 42%, Labour 35% - there will be the dawning realisation that Corbyn is not going to stop them from going down to yet another defeat to the Tories. That will start concentrating minds.Pulpstar said:
And quite rightly too I think.Foxy said:
I think the last sentence is incorrect, if there is one thing that we know about Jezza is that he is not one to sweat over polling shifts and unpopularity.0 -
Dear Guardian,
Any article that features this
"On social media, there were arguments that the novichok could have come from some part of the former Soviet Union other than Russia, such as Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan or Ukraine, or some non-state group, maybe criminals."
as the fifth paragraph and as a key twist in the tale really needs a strong, hard looking at.0 -
Thanks and TM is a decent hard working honest politician which we all need more of. I have to say I have been impressed with the grown up labour mps this week including Cooper, Starmer, Benn and many others who stood up to Corbyn and the tragedy is that they are being led by a marxist leader whose office is staffed with marxists and who now have the communist party fully endorsing them. Something has to give sooner or laterBenpointer said:
You are indeed - and although I really dislike many Tory policies, I salute your loyalty. TMay is one of the better Tories.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not expect a challenge as she would win it and as far as this member is concerned I think most know I am loyal to the leadershipBenpointer said:
Glad to hear it!Big_G_NorthWales said:
No idea but probably indefinitely but it is unlikely he will succeed TM (he will not get my vote)Benpointer said:
How long can Boris get away with things because "Boris is Boris"?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris is Boris but Williamson is immature and when I heard his response yesterday I was stunned by it. He has a very long way to goHHemmelig said:
Let's hope it strengthens her ability to withstand the pressure against a sensible soft Brexit from Mogg's end of the party.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I think it may have made a softer Brexit more likelyTheScreamingEagles said:I think you're also forgetting about Brexit, she's got to come up with a deal that satisfies the like of both JRM and Anna Soubry.
Discuss: Vladimir Putin has just ensured a Hard/no deal/WTO Brexit with the events in Salisbury.
No Tory MP will rebel now, they just won’t risk making Corbyn PM after Corbyn's conduct this week.
I agree May is having a good crisis so far. Her response has been measured and careful, in contrast to the silly and unstatesmanlike outbursts from Boris and Gavin Williamson.
Is there a serious possibility that, if May is challenged, she makes it to the last two and if so would the membership back her? I always feel that the Tory membership (small though it is theses days!) has a strong streak of loyalty through it.0 -
I have been thinking along similar lines. In addition to what you write, Granpa Vince has been a huge letdown. Time and time again we see how high flying MPs who return after losing their seat almost never get their old mojo back (eg Portillo*).TOPPING said:
And we can only hope that they are right. But I can see the scenario whereby they aren't and I hope to hell that Tezza's or the Cons Party's advisers can also.
On a side note, I had previously teetered on the edge of the side of the corner of no-man's land of thinking that if Lab get someone halfway sensible, and the Cons had continued on the JRM-induced bonkers Brexit path, then I could see how I would, er, perhaps, maybe, NOT vote Cons.
But I have to say that things seem to have untoxified a tadge at Cons HQ.
*EDIT - Tony Benn perhaps an even better example
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Another thing the cult share with trump supporters, conspiracy theories... eg grenfall tower death cover ups etcBannedInParis said:Dear Guardian,
Any article that features this
"On social media, there were arguments that the novichok could have come from some part of the former Soviet Union other than Russia, such as Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan or Ukraine, or some non-state group, maybe criminals."
as the fifth paragraph and as a key twist in the tale really needs a strong, hard looking at.0 -
The US is expanding its LNG export capacity. That's another option. Hopefully Salisbury will indirectly punt 'energy security' firmly up European political agendas. Good news for nuclear as well, I'd have thought.Sandpit said:
Which is why Europe needs to get fracking. Starting yesterday.HHemmelig said:
Plus some powerful EU states, notably Germany, do too much business with Russia and are too dependent on their gas supplies to be willing to provoke a belligerent new mini cold war. Yesterday Merkel and Macron felt they had to express solidarity with us but that doesn't mean they will support a concrete response that moves beyond a mild or meaningless knuckle rap for Putin.logical_song said:
I don't think that the EU has such a short term view or one that implies they want to influence the internal politics of another country.steve_garner said:
The EU won't risk Corbyn becoming PM after this week. What support could they expect from him if Putin comes calling on one of their members. The EU will want a deal that keeps May in situ.TheScreamingEagles said:I think you're also forgetting about Brexit, she's got to come up with a deal that satisfies the like of both JRM and Anna Soubry.
Discuss: Vladimir Putin has just ensured a Hard/no deal/WTO Brexit with the events in Salisbury.
No Tory MP will rebel now, they just won’t risk making Corbyn PM after Corbyn's conduct this week.0 -
Just let the negotiators get on with it and stop speculating and spin pro remain informationlogical_song said:
There is either a 'Secret Brexit Deal' or there is not. If there is it's news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam and Adam Boulton have led a campaign this week on Sky to demolish leave and to influence us to stay. It has been blatant pro remain propaganda unworthy of a so called balanced broadcaster.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
But then you only need to see Faisal Islam's tweets on this forum to see he obsessed with the EU0 -
Mr. M, are, we should get fracking.
Edited extra bit: aye*, even.0 -
Let's not say idiotic, but let's say inappropriate comment to make on an politics-focused internet chatroom.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just let the negotiators get on with it and stop speculating and spin pro remain informationlogical_song said:
There is either a 'Secret Brexit Deal' or there is not. If there is it's news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam and Adam Boulton have led a campaign this week on Sky to demolish leave and to influence us to stay. It has been blatant pro remain propaganda unworthy of a so called balanced broadcaster.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
But then you only need to see Faisal Islam's tweets on this forum to see he obsessed with the EU0 -
The trade aspect can be overstated. Russia lies 14th on the list of Germany's export markets. Germany does twice as much trade with Poland as with Russia.HHemmelig said:
Plus some powerful EU states, notably Germany, do too much business with Russia and are too dependent on their gas supplies to be willing to provoke a belligerent new mini cold war. Yesterday Merkel and Macron felt they had to express solidarity with us but that doesn't mean they will support a concrete response that moves beyond a mild or meaningless knuckle rap for Putin.logical_song said:
I don't think that the EU has such a short term view or one that implies they want to influence the internal politics of another country.steve_garner said:
The EU won't risk Corbyn becoming PM after this week. What support could they expect from him if Putin comes calling on one of their members. The EU will want a deal that keeps May in situ.TheScreamingEagles said:I think you're also forgetting about Brexit, she's got to come up with a deal that satisfies the like of both JRM and Anna Soubry.
Discuss: Vladimir Putin has just ensured a Hard/no deal/WTO Brexit with the events in Salisbury.
No Tory MP will rebel now, they just won’t risk making Corbyn PM after Corbyn's conduct this week.0 -
Surely Theresa wouldn't be human if she hadn't considered the possibility of calling another snap election over the events of recent weeks. She could fight it solely on the basis of national security under the 'Who protects Britain?' slogan. Brexit has taken a back seat and Theresa has appeared strong and stable for the first time in ages. She must have been tempted.0
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Quite brilliant this morning from Phil Collins on Labour and possibly the UK under Corbyn/Milne:
"There is a lot of talk in the air about a new party but there is already a new party. This is nothing like the Labour Party."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/corbyn-s-line-on-russia-shows-his-true-colours-g203x0w830 -
That’s a good shout. Checks odds on Alonso for a podium.Morris_Dancer said:F1: early forecast, but rain may happen for the Australian Grand Prix. In those circumstances, Verstappen, Alonso and maybe Hulkenberg will be value.
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All this TM worship is a bit manic depressive.
She’s still crap.
She still lacks vision.
She still appoints duffers to key jobs.
She still can’t make decisions.
She still can’t campaign.
She still can’t communicate properly.
Even Gordon Brown was better, he had intellectual heft.
And the movement in the last poll was pretty meh, considering events. Tory majority of 2 even when the Russians are trying to murder people on British soil. Underwhelming.0 -
The Mail is now available on line at £9.99 per month with copy released nightly at 11.00pm. My newsagent said he was seeing a large number of cancellations of deliveries when I cancelled mine and went on line. By the way I would not be too fussed to continue with it but my wife loves the puzzlesGardenwalker said:
Latest circulation figures show the Mail has lost its crown to...the Metro!Benpointer said:
Hahaha - brilliant on so many levels!Theuniondivvie said:When he isn't jacking off horses, your uncle subs for the DM.
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/974575730641244161
(I haven't lowered myself to buy it, so this is just hearsay, but one of the comments to Mance's twitter notes that the DM still has "Newspaper of the Year" in it's masthead. Not that they're sore or anything.)
Interesting to see that the FT outsells the Guardian. And the Evening Standard is 6th most widely read in the country.
All papers continue to lose (physical) circulation numbers, although the free ones are broadly static.0 -
Don't tell Brenda!Stark_Dawning said:Surely Theresa wouldn't be human if she hadn't considered the possibility of calling another snap election over the events of recent weeks. She could fight it solely on the basis of national security under the 'Who protects Britain?' slogan. Brexit has taken a back seat and Theresa has appeared strong and stable for the first time in ages. She must have been tempted.
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Pretty unrealistic to expect news to stop reporting about Brexit!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just let the negotiators get on with it and stop speculating and spin pro remain informationlogical_song said:
There is either a 'Secret Brexit Deal' or there is not. If there is it's news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam and Adam Boulton have led a campaign this week on Sky to demolish leave and to influence us to stay. It has been blatant pro remain propaganda unworthy of a so called balanced broadcaster.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
But then you only need to see Faisal Islam's tweets on this forum to see he obsessed with the EU
I'd also hazard a guess that your news consumption is rather high... perhaps just cut back a bit on it? I've eased up on reading about Brexit and feel much more relaxed for it.0 -
"To think that only a few weeks ago there was renewed speculation about the number of CON MP letters calling for a confidence vote in Mrs May going to the 1922 committee chairman Graham Brady."
Can someone please help we with a question I have?
Can MPs who have sent their letter to the 1922 Committee with draw it? Say for instance a brexiteer MP sent it back in December but is now quite happy can he take it back or they are cumulative?
Thanks!0 -
I too have thought for a while there is a good chance May could fight the 2022 election. If she gets a good Brexit deal then it becomes harder to oust her. If she gets a bad Brexit deal then no-one else may want the job. However, there a few factors against to consider:
If she stands in 2022 then she will be 65 and will have been PM for 6 years. There will be bound to be questions of whether she plans to serve a full term to 2027 or plans to handover. This will be mitigated to an extent if she is standing against Corbyn.
Then there is a question of whether she has learnt the lessons from 2017 (and is capable of changing):
- Allowing her cabinet colleagues (particularly the Chancellor) to feature more prominently
- Getting the cabinet more involved in the manifesto
- Being less scripted and meeting the public more
- Doing the debates
Is she willing to nurture and promote the new generation coming through (say with a reshuffle in 2021)
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Perhaps replace it with a spending more time on the puzzle pages...there are some real tough ones out there, questions like what are the Lib Dem’s for...been stuck on that one all week.rkrkrk said:
Pretty unrealistic to expect news to stop reporting about Brexit!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just let the negotiators get on with it and stop speculating and spin pro remain informationlogical_song said:
There is either a 'Secret Brexit Deal' or there is not. If there is it's news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam and Adam Boulton have led a campaign this week on Sky to demolish leave and to influence us to stay. It has been blatant pro remain propaganda unworthy of a so called balanced broadcaster.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
But then you only need to see Faisal Islam's tweets on this forum to see he obsessed with the EU
I'd also hazard a guess that your news consumption is rather high... perhaps just cut back a bit on it? I've eased up on reading about Brexit and feel much more relaxed for it.0 -
Neither idiotic or inappropriate but I do accept your point - it is just frustration by me at the constant speculationTOPPING said:
Let's not say idiotic, but let's say inappropriate comment to make on an politics-focused internet chatroom.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just let the negotiators get on with it and stop speculating and spin pro remain informationlogical_song said:
There is either a 'Secret Brexit Deal' or there is not. If there is it's news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam and Adam Boulton have led a campaign this week on Sky to demolish leave and to influence us to stay. It has been blatant pro remain propaganda unworthy of a so called balanced broadcaster.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
But then you only need to see Faisal Islam's tweets on this forum to see he obsessed with the EU0 -
Leaving aside the mechanics of calling one (that is, calling for the commons to vote for one), I actually do struggle to see her considering the possibility. There had been a sustained period of really goof Tory leads and an opposition whose leader was clearly disliked and distrusted by a significant number of his own MPs, the temptation to shore up a tricky Brexit position in those circumstances was clearly immense, and eventually she gave in.Stark_Dawning said:Surely Theresa wouldn't be human if she hadn't considered the possibility of calling another snap election over the events of recent weeks. She could fight it solely on the basis of national security under the 'Who protects Britain?' slogan. Brexit has taken a back seat and Theresa has appeared strong and stable for the first time in ages. She must have been tempted.
But now? A few weeks of relatively less grief would I think not erase the wounds of the 2017 campaign, and I don't see how she would think it a good idea even briefly. Yes the ultimate goal of getting a majority back, a better one, would still be a temptation, but the risks would be much higher, and I don't see how she would think to convince her MPs it was a good idea, even if she momentarily considered it.0 -
I hope notStark_Dawning said:Surely Theresa wouldn't be human if she hadn't considered the possibility of calling another snap election over the events of recent weeks. She could fight it solely on the basis of national security under the 'Who protects Britain?' slogan. Brexit has taken a back seat and Theresa has appeared strong and stable for the first time in ages. She must have been tempted.
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Best name seen so far this Friday, Meow-Ludo Disco Gamma Meow-Meow:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/mar/16/bodyhacking-scientist-who-implanted-opal-card-chip-guilty-of-fare-evasion?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=15211937760 -
Just to add - another possibility is that she could stand down in summer 2021, giving her a respectable 5 years in office and hoping her successor gets a polling bounce just before the election.0
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And what if the MP dies and is succeeded in a by-election. Will his letter still count?ABLAABL said:"To think that only a few weeks ago there was renewed speculation about the number of CON MP letters calling for a confidence vote in Mrs May going to the 1922 committee chairman Graham Brady."
Can someone please help we with a question I have?
Can MPs who have sent their letter to the 1922 Committee with draw it? Say for instance a brexiteer MP sent it back in December but is now quite happy can he take it back or they are cumulative?
Thanks!0 -
You can get The Guardian on-line for free - just saying.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Mail is now available on line at £9.99 per month with copy released nightly at 11.00pm. My newsagent said he was seeing a large number of cancellations of deliveries when I cancelled mine and went on line. By the way I would not be too fussed to continue with it but my wife loves the puzzlesGardenwalker said:
Latest circulation figures show the Mail has lost its crown to...the Metro!Benpointer said:
Hahaha - brilliant on so many levels!Theuniondivvie said:When he isn't jacking off horses, your uncle subs for the DM.
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/974575730641244161
(I haven't lowered myself to buy it, so this is just hearsay, but one of the comments to Mance's twitter notes that the DM still has "Newspaper of the Year" in it's masthead. Not that they're sore or anything.)
Interesting to see that the FT outsells the Guardian. And the Evening Standard is 6th most widely read in the country.
All papers continue to lose (physical) circulation numbers, although the free ones are broadly static.
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Not only is May safer but betting slips with 2018 GE on them are not worth what they were.
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The Rouble bobbles up and down. An improved Russian economy would be rich pickings for Germany. But I still find it hard to believe their insouciance is purely economic.AlastairMeeks said:
The trade aspect can be overstated. Russia lies 14th on the list of Germany's export markets. Germany does twice as much trade with Poland as with Russia.HHemmelig said:
Plus some powerful EU states, notably Germany, do too much business with Russia and are too dependent on their gas supplies to be willing to provoke a belligerent new mini cold war. Yesterday Merkel and Macron felt they had to express solidarity with us but that doesn't mean they will support a concrete response that moves beyond a mild or meaningless knuckle rap for Putin.logical_song said:
I don't think that the EU has such a short term view or one that implies they want to influence the internal politics of another country.steve_garner said:
The EU won't risk Corbyn becoming PM after this week. What support could they expect from him if Putin comes calling on one of their members. The EU will want a deal that keeps May in situ.TheScreamingEagles said:I think you're also forgetting about Brexit, she's got to come up with a deal that satisfies the like of both JRM and Anna Soubry.
Discuss: Vladimir Putin has just ensured a Hard/no deal/WTO Brexit with the events in Salisbury.
No Tory MP will rebel now, they just won’t risk making Corbyn PM after Corbyn's conduct this week.0 -
I think its been stated before than someone could withdraw their letter. It would seem only fair and natural for that to be the case, though if memory serves those who send in their letters don't know how many have already been sent, so don't know for certain if theirs will push the cumulative number over the line.ABLAABL said:"To think that only a few weeks ago there was renewed speculation about the number of CON MP letters calling for a confidence vote in Mrs May going to the 1922 committee chairman Graham Brady."
Can someone please help we with a question I have?
Can MPs who have sent their letter to the 1922 Committee with draw it? Say for instance a brexiteer MP sent it back in December but is now quite happy can he take it back or they are cumulative?
Thanks!0 -
Without speculation, partisanship and spinning this site would be:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just let the negotiators get on with it and stop speculating and spin pro remain informationlogical_song said:
There is either a 'Secret Brexit Deal' or there is not. If there is it's news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam and Adam Boulton have led a campaign this week on Sky to demolish leave and to influence us to stay. It has been blatant pro remain propaganda unworthy of a so called balanced broadcaster.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
But then you only need to see Faisal Islam's tweets on this forum to see he obsessed with the EU
*tumbleweed*
The 24 hour news cycle sits badly with slow paced, secretive processes like Brexit.
Just let it wash over you. 'Que sera sera' as the great philosopher Doris Day tells us. Or, for M. Dancer 'Whatever happens at all happens as it should'.0 -
Right, been good chatting to you but I'm off to the war-zone that is Salisbury for lunch with my good lady wife. If you never hear from me again...0
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/15/jeremy-corbyn-warns-theresa-may-not-rush-way-ahead-evidence/
Ouch
"The father in law of the Salisbury policeman who suffered the effects of the nerve agent used to poison Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter has criticised Jeremy Corbyn’s "mealy mouthed" response to the attack.
William Pomeroy, whose daughter Sarah is married to Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey - currently recovering from the nerve agent attack - said he felt let down by Mr Corbyn.
Speaking to The Daily Telegraph, the lifelong Labour supporter said: “I’m very disappointed in Mr Corbyn. He’s said almost nothing about this and has come across as very weak on it.”"0 -
It is frustration by you that people on here disagree with you more like.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Neither idiotic or inappropriate but I do accept your point - it is just frustration by me at the constant speculationTOPPING said:
Let's not say idiotic, but let's say inappropriate comment to make on an politics-focused internet chatroom.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just let the negotiators get on with it and stop speculating and spin pro remain informationlogical_song said:
There is either a 'Secret Brexit Deal' or there is not. If there is it's news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam and Adam Boulton have led a campaign this week on Sky to demolish leave and to influence us to stay. It has been blatant pro remain propaganda unworthy of a so called balanced broadcaster.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
But then you only need to see Faisal Islam's tweets on this forum to see he obsessed with the EU0 -
Big G is probably one of the bigger May fans around here and I wouldn't say he worships her, so not sure where you get that from the thought she's been handling this matter a bit better than other things.Gardenwalker said:All this TM worship is a bit manic depressive.
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I rewatched some episodes of "The Trip" last night. It is sheer brilliance. This in particular (cf. Doris Day/que sera sera).John_M said:
Without speculation, partisanship and spinning this site would be:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just let the negotiators get on with it and stop speculating and spin pro remain informationlogical_song said:
There is either a 'Secret Brexit Deal' or there is not. If there is it's news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam and Adam Boulton have led a campaign this week on Sky to demolish leave and to influence us to stay. It has been blatant pro remain propaganda unworthy of a so called balanced broadcaster.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
But then you only need to see Faisal Islam's tweets on this forum to see he obsessed with the EU
*tumbleweed*
The 24 hour news cycle sits badly with slow paced, secretive processes like Brexit.
Just let it wash over you. 'Que sera sera' as the great philosopher Doris Day tells us. Or, for M. Dancer 'Whatever happens at all happens as it should'.
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Leaving aside the politics, Russian gas is the cheapest and most consistent supply of gas to Europe. Russia nowadays will undercut any competitive price. The infrastructure was paid for long ago, it's simply the extraction and a minimal transportation cost now. There are alternatives to Russian gas, mainly as LPG, but they are less abundant and more expensive. Doing without Russian gas entirely is difficult for the EU. Nevertheless sanctions force Russia to reduce its prices, so there is a significant cost to those sanctions.Sandpit said:Which is why Europe needs to get fracking. Starting yesterday.
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I don't know about generally, but I know several Labour people from Salisbury (one of the few areas of genuine strength for the party in Wiltshire) and they were never Corbyn fans.TGOHF said:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/15/jeremy-corbyn-warns-theresa-may-not-rush-way-ahead-evidence/
Ouch
"The father in law of the Salisbury policeman who suffered the effects of the nerve agent used to poison Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter has criticised Jeremy Corbyn’s "mealy mouthed" response to the attack.
William Pomeroy, whose daughter Sarah is married to Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey - currently recovering from the nerve agent attack - said he felt let down by Mr Corbyn.
Speaking to The Daily Telegraph, the lifelong Labour supporter said: “I’m very disappointed in Mr Corbyn. He’s said almost nothing about this and has come across as very weak on it.”"
Though to be blunt, as bad as those comments are for Corbyn to hear, its not like that sort of thing from IRA victims and the like hindered him much. Granted this is much more immediate, but of course an election is not immediate.0 -
Labour MPs. Time to make a stand and resign the whip says Nelson:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/15/anti-corbyn-labour-mps-one-option-left-break-party/0 -
I do read the Guardian on line most days and have not as yet responded to their donation request at the end of each article.Benpointer said:
You can get The Guardian on-line for free - just saying.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Mail is now available on line at £9.99 per month with copy released nightly at 11.00pm. My newsagent said he was seeing a large number of cancellations of deliveries when I cancelled mine and went on line. By the way I would not be too fussed to continue with it but my wife loves the puzzlesGardenwalker said:
Latest circulation figures show the Mail has lost its crown to...the Metro!Benpointer said:
Hahaha - brilliant on so many levels!Theuniondivvie said:When he isn't jacking off horses, your uncle subs for the DM.
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/974575730641244161
(I haven't lowered myself to buy it, so this is just hearsay, but one of the comments to Mance's twitter notes that the DM still has "Newspaper of the Year" in it's masthead. Not that they're sore or anything.)
Interesting to see that the FT outsells the Guardian. And the Evening Standard is 6th most widely read in the country.
All papers continue to lose (physical) circulation numbers, although the free ones are broadly static.
And the Mail on line is half the daily delivered version and I keep my wife happy with the puzzles0 -
They are hardly likely to listen to Fraser Nelson!rottenborough said:Labour MPs. Time to make a stand and resign the whip says Nelson:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/15/anti-corbyn-labour-mps-one-option-left-break-party/0 -
Interesting that no-one on this site has commented on the significant climbdown by the EU on the UK being able to sign new trade deals during the transition period.
I presume this is because it doesn't fit the UK takes a permanent fisting from the EU day-in, day-out narrative.0 -
Surely a lot cheaper than relying on your supplies from a rogue nation?FrankBooth said:
Surely a lot more expensive than Russian gas?Sandpit said:
Which is why Europe needs to get fracking. Starting yesterday.HHemmelig said:
Plus some powerful EU states, notably Germany, do too much business with Russia and are too dependent on their gas supplies to be willing to provoke a belligerent new mini cold war. Yesterday Merkel and Macron felt they had to express solidarity with us but that doesn't mean they will support a concrete response that moves beyond a mild or meaningless knuckle rap for Putin.logical_song said:
I don't think that the EU has such a short term view or one that implies they want to influence the internal politics of another country.steve_garner said:
The EU won't risk Corbyn becoming PM after this week. What support could they expect from him if Putin comes calling on one of their members. The EU will want a deal that keeps May in situ.TheScreamingEagles said:I think you're also forgetting about Brexit, she's got to come up with a deal that satisfies the like of both JRM and Anna Soubry.
Discuss: Vladimir Putin has just ensured a Hard/no deal/WTO Brexit with the events in Salisbury.
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Ahahahahaha.rottenborough said:Labour MPs. Time to make a stand and resign the whip says Nelson:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/15/anti-corbyn-labour-mps-one-option-left-break-party/
Ahem
Ahahahahaha.
They always have more than one option. Ostriching was the previous approach, no reason to suspect it won't be again. I do feel for those anti-corbyn MPs who feel he is unacceptable but that the party situation prevents them doing anything about it, but long ago they faced the crossroads of whether to stick it out come what may and hope for a chance to fix things, or to leave, and they made their choice.0 -
Who mentioned Big G?kle4 said:
Big G is probably one of the bigger May fans around here and I wouldn't say he worships her, so not sure where you get that from the thought she's been handling this matter a bit better than other things.Gardenwalker said:All this TM worship is a bit manic depressive.
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Actually its because i hadn't heard about it.Casino_Royale said:Interesting that no-one on this site has commented on the significant climbdown by the EU on the UK being able to sign new trade deals during the transition period.
I presume this is because it doesn't fit the UK takes a permanent fisting from the EU day-in, day-out narrative.0 -
Churchill?HHemmelig said:
I have been thinking along similar lines. In addition to what you write, Granpa Vince has been a huge letdown. Time and time again we see how high flying MPs who return after losing their seat almost never get their old mojo back (eg Portillo*).TOPPING said:
And we can only hope that they are right. But I can see the scenario whereby they aren't and I hope to hell that Tezza's or the Cons Party's advisers can also.
On a side note, I had previously teetered on the edge of the side of the corner of no-man's land of thinking that if Lab get someone halfway sensible, and the Cons had continued on the JRM-induced bonkers Brexit path, then I could see how I would, er, perhaps, maybe, NOT vote Cons.
But I have to say that things seem to have untoxified a tadge at Cons HQ.
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Sometimes the best advice can come from an unlikely source, and an outsider's perspective is needed to gain true clarity of a situation.Benpointer said:
They are hardly likely to listen to Fraser Nelson!rottenborough said:Labour MPs. Time to make a stand and resign the whip says Nelson:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/15/anti-corbyn-labour-mps-one-option-left-break-party/
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I used him as an illustrative example. If he is not displaying worship, as a very loyal conservative, then is anyone really showing such worship that you are seeing?Gardenwalker said:
Who mentioned Big G?kle4 said:
Big G is probably one of the bigger May fans around here and I wouldn't say he worships her, so not sure where you get that from the thought she's been handling this matter a bit better than other things.Gardenwalker said:All this TM worship is a bit manic depressive.
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Agreed - my comments born out of frustration - please disregardJohn_M said:
Without speculation, partisanship and spinning this site would be:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just let the negotiators get on with it and stop speculating and spin pro remain informationlogical_song said:
There is either a 'Secret Brexit Deal' or there is not. If there is it's news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Faisal Islam and Adam Boulton have led a campaign this week on Sky to demolish leave and to influence us to stay. It has been blatant pro remain propaganda unworthy of a so called balanced broadcaster.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
But then you only need to see Faisal Islam's tweets on this forum to see he obsessed with the EU
*tumbleweed*
The 24 hour news cycle sits badly with slow paced, secretive processes like Brexit.
Just let it wash over you. 'Que sera sera' as the great philosopher Doris Day tells us. Or, for M. Dancer 'Whatever happens at all happens as it should'.
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Everyone on this site commented on it.Casino_Royale said:Interesting that no-one on this site has commented on the significant climbdown by the EU on the UK being able to sign new trade deals during the transition period.
I presume this is because it doesn't fit the UK takes a permanent fisting from the EU day-in, day-out narrative.
Yesterday.
Yes it is a concession, if true, but nothing will be implemented and, as small children in Bruges and Bradford would have pointed out, were they contributors to PB: what sensible third country would negotiate and sign a trade deal with the UK until they knew what the final UK-EU settlement looked like?0 -
The immigration problems are to do with the right of EU citizens to issuance of NI numbers and entitlement to benefits, rather than anything that happens at the border itself.logical_song said:
The "UK on day one of Brexit unilaterally deciding not to enforce customs checks, and other border checks" - is that 'taking back control' and will it tackle immigration problems?TheScreamingEagles said:
The scenarios described to Sky News have been broadly interpreted by the industry as "hard Brexit", "soft Brexit" and "no deal". It is the last scenario that has raised the most eyebrows in industry.CarlottaVance said:Not entirely clear what this means.....
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/974587573149585409
"This is what we call the 'Throw Open the Borders option,'" said one operator. The scenario involves the UK on day one of Brexit unilaterally deciding not to enforce customs checks, and other border checks, and presuming that a reciprocal approach will be taken by the European Union, and thus at least temporarily maintaining a non-negotiated form of frictionless trade in goods.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-forensics-playing-chicken-with-the-channel-tunnel-112917670 -
Good to see Theresa has encouraged you to show solidarity with her and to support the good people of Salisbury !!!!Benpointer said:Right, been good chatting to you but I'm off to the war-zone that is Salisbury for lunch with my good lady wife. If you never hear from me again...
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Liverpool v City in the Champions League Quarters.0
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Really - that is so funnyTheScreamingEagles said:Liverpool v City in the Champions League Quarters.
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Why not just slap a 100% tax on Russian gas? It'd enable it to keep flowing while encouraging users to source alternative supplies. Of course, Russia might respond by turning the taps off but that would hardly help their reputation for being the reliable supplier that W Europe is looking for.FF43 said:
Leaving aside the politics, Russian gas is the cheapest and most consistent supply of gas to Europe. Russia nowadays will undercut any competitive price. The infrastructure was paid for long ago, it's simply the extraction and a minimal transportation cost now. There are alternatives to Russian gas, mainly as LPG, but they are less abundant and more expensive. Doing without Russian gas entirely is difficult for the EU. Nevertheless sanctions force Russia to reduce its prices, so there is a significant cost to those sanctions.Sandpit said:Which is why Europe needs to get fracking. Starting yesterday.
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Shit. We already had our one win against them.TheScreamingEagles said:Liverpool v City in the Champions League Quarters.
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We’ll be fine. We’ll beat them at Anfield 4 or 5 nil then play out a bore draw at the Etihad.kle4 said:
Shit. We already had our one win against them.TheScreamingEagles said:Liverpool v City in the Champions League Quarters.
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Indeed. The key is voluntarily paying more for your gas than you need to. Getting everyone to sign up isn't always easy.david_herdson said:
Why not just slap a 100% tax on Russian gas? It'd enable it to keep flowing while encouraging users to source alternative supplies. Of course, Russia might respond by turning the taps off but that would hardly help their reputation for being the reliable supplier that W Europe is looking for.FF43 said:
Leaving aside the politics, Russian gas is the cheapest and most consistent supply of gas to Europe. Russia nowadays will undercut any competitive price. The infrastructure was paid for long ago, it's simply the extraction and a minimal transportation cost now. There are alternatives to Russian gas, mainly as LPG, but they are less abundant and more expensive. Doing without Russian gas entirely is difficult for the EU. Nevertheless sanctions force Russia to reduce its prices, so there is a significant cost to those sanctions.Sandpit said:Which is why Europe needs to get fracking. Starting yesterday.
Russia did turn the taps off earlier on in the Ukraine crisis, something the USSR never did even at the coldest point of the Cold War. It was counterproductive as that was the only time the EU got serious about alternatives.0 -
Madrid vs Juve the other big tie.
Barca and Bayern must be pleased with the draw.0 -
I suppose it is easy to conclude that but you did not mention me but also I do not worship TM , just respect her as a decent honest hard working politician who has many faultsGardenwalker said:
Who mentioned Big G?kle4 said:
Big G is probably one of the bigger May fans around here and I wouldn't say he worships her, so not sure where you get that from the thought she's been handling this matter a bit better than other things.Gardenwalker said:All this TM worship is a bit manic depressive.
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I can't think of many examples in the post war era. Michael Foot perhaps.dixiedean said:
Churchill?HHemmelig said:
I have been thinking along similar lines. In addition to what you write, Granpa Vince has been a huge letdown. Time and time again we see how high flying MPs who return after losing their seat almost never get their old mojo back (eg Portillo*).TOPPING said:
And we can only hope that they are right. But I can see the scenario whereby they aren't and I hope to hell that Tezza's or the Cons Party's advisers can also.
On a side note, I had previously teetered on the edge of the side of the corner of no-man's land of thinking that if Lab get someone halfway sensible, and the Cons had continued on the JRM-induced bonkers Brexit path, then I could see how I would, er, perhaps, maybe, NOT vote Cons.
But I have to say that things seem to have untoxified a tadge at Cons HQ.
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Post easter period will be busy in the northwest -
The Merseyside and Manchester derbies are sandwiched between the two Man City - Liverpool CL ties.
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Mr. Sandpit, odds aren't up yet, only for the winner market (fifth the odds for top 3, though).0
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True. Although price isn't measured solely in Euros.FF43 said:
Indeed. The key is voluntarily paying more for your gas than you need to. Getting everyone to sign up isn't always easy.david_herdson said:
Why not just slap a 100% tax on Russian gas? It'd enable it to keep flowing while encouraging users to source alternative supplies. Of course, Russia might respond by turning the taps off but that would hardly help their reputation for being the reliable supplier that W Europe is looking for.FF43 said:
Leaving aside the politics, Russian gas is the cheapest and most consistent supply of gas to Europe. Russia nowadays will undercut any competitive price. The infrastructure was paid for long ago, it's simply the extraction and a minimal transportation cost now. There are alternatives to Russian gas, mainly as LPG, but they are less abundant and more expensive. Doing without Russian gas entirely is difficult for the EU. Nevertheless sanctions force Russia to reduce its prices, so there is a significant cost to those sanctions.Sandpit said:Which is why Europe needs to get fracking. Starting yesterday.
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Russia has underestimated the "resolve and unity" of the UK's allies, the head of Nato has said after the nerve agent attack on an ex-spy and his daughter.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-434291520 -
Mr. Z, ironically, Russia's long term antics (Litvinenko, Skripal, US elections, plane being shot down) may be giving NATO the enemy it needs to cement its ongoing existence.0
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I've been saying for some time that people underestimate TM's chances of staying till the election. Possession is 9 points of the law, and a post-Brexit casus belli for backbenchers is not obvious. Whether the Tories will find she is then an effective campaigner is another matter.
Meanwhile. the SPD seems to be getting a modest bounce out of the deal with Merkel, contrary to most expectations:
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What a disappointing draw. At least Barca would have been Barca.kle4 said:
Shit. We already had our one win against them.TheScreamingEagles said:Liverpool v City in the Champions League Quarters.
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NATO defence spending has been rising (in real terms) since 2015, and increased by 7.5% in the last couple of years. That still puts it below the pre-crash spending, but as European economies improve, we should expect that increased outlay to continue, together with the additional funds needed for the EDF.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Z, ironically, Russia's long term antics (Litvinenko, Skripal, US elections, plane being shot down) may be giving NATO the enemy it needs to cement its ongoing existence.
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The Russians uncannily time their outrageous acts so they hit just at the point when people have started to forget their previous one. It keeps the resolve going on the sanctions for a while longer.Ishmael_Z said:Russia has underestimated the "resolve and unity" of the UK's allies, the head of Nato has said after the nerve agent attack on an ex-spy and his daughter.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43429152
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That question has already been answered and is the casus belli.NickPalmer said:I've been saying for some time that people underestimate TM's chances of staying till the election. Possession is 9 points of the law, and a post-Brexit casus belli for backbenchers is not obvious. Whether the Tories will find she is then an effective campaigner is another matter.
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Benn did it twice, of course. Once after he disclaimed his peerage; the second after he lost in 1983.HHemmelig said:
I have been thinking along similar lines. In addition to what you write, Granpa Vince has been a huge letdown. Time and time again we see how high flying MPs who return after losing their seat almost never get their old mojo back (eg Portillo*).TOPPING said:
And we can only hope that they are right. But I can see the scenario whereby they aren't and I hope to hell that Tezza's or the Cons Party's advisers can also.
On a side note, I had previously teetered on the edge of the side of the corner of no-man's land of thinking that if Lab get someone halfway sensible, and the Cons had continued on the JRM-induced bonkers Brexit path, then I could see how I would, er, perhaps, maybe, NOT vote Cons.
But I have to say that things seem to have untoxified a tadge at Cons HQ.
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Theresa May's ratings and image as PM have been a roller-coaster ride. She went from being absurdly over-praised in late 2016 and early 2017, to being unfairly vilified during and after the GE2017 campaign. What we are seeing now is a reversion to something like a sensible mean: clearly she's a decent woman working very hard for Britain in the extremely difficult circumstances of Brexit, and someone whom you can rely on in crises like the current one. At the same time, she's a pretty useless campaigner, who often gets the tone wrong and who has made a series of unforced political errors, including the humdinger of GE2017. So a better PM than she is public-facing politician or manager of her party.
Although one hesitates to make any firm predictions in the current environment, I think Tory MPs broadly accept this analysis, and I continue to think that by far the most likely outcome is that she will retire with honour before the next election, having done her duty (very important to her) by delivering Brexit and stepping in to fill the post-Cameron void. The party will be able to thank her for her good work, and move on to someone younger and better at actually winning elections.
For that matter, would she really want to put herself through the ordeal of any election campaign, knowing how disastrously she performed last time and having no-one to blame but herself? Obviously we can't look into her mind, and my only personal knowledge of her is one conversation with her, but I'd think not.0 -
Some small Gold cup punts:
Djakadam (25-1) & Saphir Du Rheu (80-1), SkyBet 5 places at 1-5 if 14 run (Currently 15 to start), both £5 E/W0 -
'The Rodina under siege' meme has been keeping Russian autocrats in power for centuries.FF43 said:
The Russians uncannily time their outrageous acts so they hit just at the point when people have started to forget their previous one. It keeps the resolve going on the sanctions for a while longer.Ishmael_Z said:Russia has underestimated the "resolve and unity" of the UK's allies, the head of Nato has said after the nerve agent attack on an ex-spy and his daughter.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43429152
Edit This might not be a coincidence. Ordinary Russians probably also start to forget.0 -
Mr. 43, but long term the sanctions impact weakens Russia's economy to a fairly significant degree. Is it really worth it, to knock off a defector once a decade whilst pissing off most of the Western world?0
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Precisely.david_herdson said:
That question has already been answered and is the casus belli.NickPalmer said:I've been saying for some time that people underestimate TM's chances of staying till the election. Possession is 9 points of the law, and a post-Brexit casus belli for backbenchers is not obvious. Whether the Tories will find she is then an effective campaigner is another matter.
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Hardly a site sympathetic to Corbyn, but I can see the logic of the concluding point.
Do not fall into the trap of thinking that this is the moment Corbyn begins to come unstuck. Worryingly, his “constructive ambiguity” on the Salisbury attack could even make him stronger.
https://capx.co/corbyns-response-to-the-salisbury-attack-is-no-slip-up/0 -
I'd generally agree with this analysis, though there is the question of who could replace, as there's a bunch of old guard figures with known glaring flaws and a fixed public image, and most of the newer guard aren't being given a chance to sink or swim yet, which might suggest she is planning for the long haul.Richard_Nabavi said:Theresa May's ratings and image as PM have been a roller-coaster ride. She went from being absurdly over-praised in late 2016 and early 2017, to being unfairly vilified during and after the GE2017 campaign. What we are seeing now is a reversion to something like a sensible mean: clearly she's a decent woman working very hard for Britain in the extremely difficult circumstances of Brexit, and someone whom you can rely on in crises like the current one. At the same time, she's a pretty useless campaigner, who often gets the tone wrong and who has made a series of unforced political errors, including the humdinger of GE2017. So a better PM than she is public-facing politician or manager of her party.
Although one hesitates to make any firm predictions in the current environment, I think Tory MPs broadly accept this analysis, and I continue to think that by far the most likely outcome is that she will retire with honour before the next election, having done her duty (very important to her) by delivering Brexit and stepping in to fill the post-Cameron void. The party will be able to thank her for her good work, and move on to someone younger and better at actually winning elections.
For that matter, would she really want to put herself through the ordeal of any election campaign, knowing how disastrously she performed last time and having no-one to blame but herself? Obviously we can't look into her mind, and my only personal knowledge of her is one conversation with her, but I'd think not.0 -
Given how bonkers the country is at the moment that’s my fear, bit like despite corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser, McDonnell wanting to get rid of the security services and Dianne having no idea about police numbers, the terrorist attack bizarrely helped putins puppet and not may (despite her response being the best moment of the GE campaign for her).kle4 said:Hardly a site sympathetic to Corbyn, but I can see the logic of the concluding point.
Do not fall into the trap of thinking that this is the moment Corbyn begins to come unstuck. Worryingly, his “constructive ambiguity” on the Salisbury attack could even make him stronger.
https://capx.co/corbyns-response-to-the-salisbury-attack-is-no-slip-up/0 -
One hopes the Western response will sort out Russia's delusions of superpowerhood once and for all.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Z, ironically, Russia's long term antics (Litvinenko, Skripal, US elections, plane being shot down) may be giving NATO the enemy it needs to cement its ongoing existence.
I am massively relieved at how well things have gone, compared with what might have happened - Trump being an isolationist arse on behalf of both US and NATO, Germany and France saying You're on your own now, were both real possibilities at the beginning of the week.
It's also a rather backhanded compliment to democracy if Putin has overplayed his hand because of upcoming elections - it shows that even imperfect, corrupt and virtually illusory democracy can have beneficial effects.0 -
Interesting piece could backfire on Ms indecisive who decided to be decisive on Russia if true.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/0 -
Oh god, you are now on an even nuttier site than squawkbox....bigjohnowls said:Interesting piece could backfire on Ms indecisive who decided to be decisive on Russia if true.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/0 -
When The Guardian starts paying you, maybe.Benpointer said:
You can get The Guardian on-line for free - just saying.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Mail is now available on line at £9.99 per month with copy released nightly at 11.00pm. My newsagent said he was seeing a large number of cancellations of deliveries when I cancelled mine and went on line. By the way I would not be too fussed to continue with it but my wife loves the puzzlesGardenwalker said:
Latest circulation figures show the Mail has lost its crown to...the Metro!Benpointer said:
Hahaha - brilliant on so many levels!Theuniondivvie said:When he isn't jacking off horses, your uncle subs for the DM.
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/974575730641244161
(I haven't lowered myself to buy it, so this is just hearsay, but one of the comments to Mance's twitter notes that the DM still has "Newspaper of the Year" in it's masthead. Not that they're sore or anything.)
Interesting to see that the FT outsells the Guardian. And the Evening Standard is 6th most widely read in the country.
All papers continue to lose (physical) circulation numbers, although the free ones are broadly static.0 -
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He's complaining that the government has been accurate?bigjohnowls said:Interesting piece could backfire on Ms indecisive who decided to be decisive on Russia if true.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/
Its a chemical compound of course you can't tell where its been manufactured.....not like a radioisotope where there's a good chance you can narrow down its source......but why not throw in the Jews Israel for good measure.....they've got previous for murdering former Russian spies, surely?0 -
You know its not true do you?FrancisUrquhart said:
Oh god, you are now on an even nuttier site than squawkbox....bigjohnowls said:Interesting piece could backfire on Ms indecisive who decided to be decisive on Russia if true.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/
Still you post loads of stuff from Order Order which is king of nuttiness.
Never actually heard of this chap but i see he describes himself as a Historian and human rights activist. Former British Ambassador.
How do you know he as a nutter please?0 -
As splits in the Labour party go - this one doesn't seem much.Benpointer said:
They are hardly likely to listen to Fraser Nelson!rottenborough said:Labour MPs. Time to make a stand and resign the whip says Nelson:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/15/anti-corbyn-labour-mps-one-option-left-break-party/0 -
+1Richard_Nabavi said:Theresa May's ratings and image as PM have been a roller-coaster ride. She went from being absurdly over-praised in late 2016 and early 2017, to being unfairly vilified during and after the GE2017 campaign. What we are seeing now is a reversion to something like a sensible mean: clearly she's a decent woman working very hard for Britain in the extremely difficult circumstances of Brexit, and someone whom you can rely on in crises like the current one. At the same time, she's a pretty useless campaigner, who often gets the tone wrong and who has made a series of unforced political errors, including the humdinger of GE2017. So a better PM than she is public-facing politician or manager of her party.
Although one hesitates to make any firm predictions in the current environment, I think Tory MPs broadly accept this analysis, and I continue to think that by far the most likely outcome is that she will retire with honour before the next election, having done her duty (very important to her) by delivering Brexit and stepping in to fill the post-Cameron void. The party will be able to thank her for her good work, and move on to someone younger and better at actually winning elections.
For that matter, would she really want to put herself through the ordeal of any election campaign, knowing how disastrously she performed last time and having no-one to blame but herself? Obviously we can't look into her mind, and my only personal knowledge of her is one conversation with her, but I'd think not.
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It is well know about Murray, go do your research.bigjohnowls said:
You know its not true do you?FrancisUrquhart said:
Oh god, you are now on an even nuttier site than squawkbox....bigjohnowls said:Interesting piece could backfire on Ms indecisive who decided to be decisive on Russia if true.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/
Still you post loads of stuff from Order Order which is king of nuttiness.
Never actually heard of this chap but i see he describes himself as a Historian and human rights activist. Former British Ambassador.
How do you know he as a nutter please?
As for order order, right wing spin sure, below the line is cesspit but he is read across the political spectrum in westminster because his scoops are overwhelming true. I also post links from guardian etc ie reputable sources0 -
Interesting testing notes from Chandhok:Sandpit said:
That’s a good shout. Checks odds on Alonso for a podium.Morris_Dancer said:F1: early forecast, but rain may happen for the Australian Grand Prix. In those circumstances, Verstappen, Alonso and maybe Hulkenberg will be value.
http://f1.channel4.com/news/karun-chandhok-pre-season-analysis-and-predictions/
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Whereas Corbyn is a much better campaigner than manager (either of his party, or, presumably, anything else...)Richard_Nabavi said:At the same time, she's a pretty useless campaigner, who often gets the tone wrong and who has made a series of unforced political errors, including the humdinger of GE2017. So a better PM than she is public-facing politician or manager of her party.
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Forgot to take their glasses to the polling station.....Benpointer said:
39% of Tory voters bvoted Remain; 35% of Labour voters voted Leave according to YouGov. Those are sizeable minorities.HYUFD said:
No as the vast majority of Tory voters were Leave voters while the vast majority of Labour voters were Remain voters like the LDskle4 said:
Is not con to ld at least if not more likely?HYUFD said:
Neither does Corbyn have a big Liberal vote to squeeze as Kinnnock did in 1992, indeed if there is a shift of a few voters from Labour to LD next time e.g. to a Jo Swinson led party that could be enough for a small Tory majority even if the Tory voteshare is unchanged or fractionally downPulpstar said:
I think this is the most likely outcome. The Russian stuff will be old news by the time of the next GE, and there hasn't been a (Two party) swing in favour of the government since 1983.TheJezziah said:I'm up for May vs Corbyn take 2, think Labour will fancy their chances of improving on their current position in that scenario.
Also the talk of Corbyn being replaced is very optimistic, it just doesn't look likely at all.
Neither Corbyn nor May is too 'old' (Just look over the pond !). The Tories are going to look pretty tired by 2022, and May doesn't have Major's 92 cushion to absorb a likely swing against.
(PS Though what to make of the 5% of UKIP voters who voted Remain is beyond me!)0 -
Murray is a well known nutter!!FrancisUrquhart said:
It is well know about Murray, go do your research.bigjohnowls said:
You know its not true do you?FrancisUrquhart said:
Oh god, you are now on an even nuttier site than squawkbox....bigjohnowls said:Interesting piece could backfire on Ms indecisive who decided to be decisive on Russia if true.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/
Still you post loads of stuff from Order Order which is king of nuttiness.
Never actually heard of this chap but i see he describes himself as a Historian and human rights activist. Former British Ambassador.
How do you know he as a nutter please?
As for order order, right wing spin sure, below the line is cesspit but he is read across the political spectrum in westminster because his is scoops are overwhelming true.
Was he a nutter when he was British Ambassador or just developed nuttiness0
? 
