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Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eye, interesting how often people cite the SPD but not UKIP (ok, not many MPs but they've had a huge impact) or En Marche.

These darn acronyms! Anyways, the great white hopes of the Social Democrats, large support in the polls, but not when it came to the crunch of people putting their cross on the ballot paper. How long would it take for Blair's Centrists to merge with what is left of the present LibDems?

FrancisUrquhart said:

I thought it was a precondition of being able to post on PB that one only flew business class?

On a serious note, Norwegian air, what are they like? I need to fly to west coast of us in a few months and at the moment they are nearly half the cost of BA.

Make sure you are doing a “like for like” comparison and include things like luggage, food etc. The “extras” can add up quite quickly.

CarlottaVance said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I thought it was a precondition of being able to post on PB that one only flew business class?

On a serious note, Norwegian air, what are they like? I need to fly to west coast of us in a few months and at the moment they are nearly half the cost of BA.

Make sure you are doing a “like for like” comparison and include things like luggage, food etc. The “extras” can add up quite quickly.

The half price Includes luggage, don’t care about food for half the cost. More interested to know leg room, seat comfort, inflight wifi etc.

Jonathan said:

Charles said:

Sandpit said:

CarlottaVance said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

OP and Corbyn -- what is the Kremlinology of Corbyn's adopting more traditional LOTO tactics in parliament? Who is he taking advice from now, that he wasn't before?

Interesting question! It does suggest less influence for Milne - but more for who?? Starmer?

Someone has certainly got to him in the last couple of weeks at PMQs. It’s a noticable change, rather like when he got dragged to the tailor a year or so ago. Starmer, is a very likely candidate, especially given the focus on Brexit.

That said, he chose the one issue that the polling suggests people want the politicians to be adults about, rather than go out of their way to score partisan points, so maybe it was Watson behind it - before his own little local difficulties last week.

Corbyn’s reaction to the PM’s speech yesterday made it quite obvious that neither he nor any of his 15 staff actually watched it in detail. A point that wasn’t actually raised yesterday but has been noted in the past, is that it would be much better to see these set piece speeches by senior ministers made in Parliament.

Not sure actually. The audience here is the 27 leaders of the EU countries and the Commission negotiators. A thoughtful and important foreign policy speech needs to be made on a considered way - the bear pit in the Commons is not conducive to that

The bear pit is exactly the right place. The ability to challenge and ask questions is what distinguishes our democracy from the bureaucracy. Ultimately it leads to better policy.

Nah - you have a debate on the matter beforehand, sure, but with the actual speech no. Foreign policy is different - for example you are discouraged from using notes and I’d be nervous about the PM (or the FS FFS) making that speech from memory

FrancisUrquhart said:

I thought it was a precondition of being able to post on PB that one only flew business class?

On a serious note, Norwegian air, what are they like? I need to fly to west coast of us in a few months and at the moment they are nearly half the cost of BA.

Not flown with them myself, but feedback from friends says they’re very good if a little no-frills, new planes and well priced. I think bags and meals cost extra on some services and fares though, so check what’s included in the price when comparing to others.

FrancisUrquhart said:

CarlottaVance said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I thought it was a precondition of being able to post on PB that one only flew business class?

On a serious note, Norwegian air, what are they like? I need to fly to west coast of us in a few months and at the moment they are nearly half the cost of BA.

Make sure you are doing a “like for like” comparison and include things like luggage, food etc. The “extras” can add up quite quickly.

The half price Includes luggage, don’t care about food for half the cost. More interested to know leg room, seat comfort, inflight wifi etc.

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Norwegian_Air_Shuttle/Norwegian_Air_Shuttle_Boeing_787-8.php#

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/British_Airways/British_Airways_Airbus_A380_new.php#

I haven’t flown Norwegian but all the 787s I’ve flown (3 different airlines) I’ve found the seats hard while the 380 is spacious, comfortable and quiet.

edmundintokyo said:

rkrkrk said:

SouthamObserver said:

So, Virgin Upper Class is a lot better than BA business - and substantially cheaper too. Having just done the HK flight on Virgin having been a very loyal BA custmer up to now, I am shocked at how bad BA is in comparison.

It may be heresy on this board - but honestly I don’t get the fuss about business class travel. I would have to be extremely rich to even consider paying for it out of my own pocket.

If work offered me the choice of business or economy plus half the difference in cash I wouldn’t have to think. I find it incredible that so many people claim they can’t sleep in a chair that reclines.

Yup, what I'd pay the extra for would be if they'd send a box to my door and I could go to sleep in it and get shipped directly to my destination. I don't care how they stack me in on the way, as long as I'm properly sedated.

I hope Michael O’Leary isn’t reading this.

TheJezziah said:

In relation to Macron a comment I heard was we have already sort of had our Macron in '97. There are a few differences but the comment rung sort of true to me, the problem now is that to some degree that way has been discredited in the eyes of some and probably couldn't get the same kind of success it had previously even if you had a new version of Blair rather than the tainted version that hangs around lecturing the voters.

Even at his peak Blair was so needlessly divisive. I think Macron doesn't have the same messianic streak (although I wouldn't rule out his monarchical streak causing problems at some point).

This speech was even worse than May's 'citizens of nowhere' for 'othering' a large part of the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/460009.stm

The forces of conservatism allied to racism are why one of the heroes of the 20th Century, Martin Luther King, is dead.

It's why another, Nelson Mandela, spent the best years of his life in a cell the size of a bed.

And though the fact that Mandela is alive, free and became President, is a sign of the progress we have made: the fact that Stephen Lawrence is dead, for no other reason than he was born black, is a sign of how far we still have to go.

And they still keep opposing progress and justice.

williamglenn said:

TheJezziah said:

In relation to Macron a comment I heard was we have already sort of had our Macron in '97. There are a few differences but the comment rung sort of true to me, the problem now is that to some degree that way has been discredited in the eyes of some and probably couldn't get the same kind of success it had previously even if you had a new version of Blair rather than the tainted version that hangs around lecturing the voters.

Even at his peak Blair was so needlessly divisive. I think Macron doesn't have the same messianic streak (although I wouldn't rule out his monarchical streak causing problems at some point).

This speech was even worse than May's 'citizens of nowhere' for 'othering' a large part of the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/460009.stm

The forces of conservatism allied to racism are why one of the heroes of the 20th Century, Martin Luther King, is dead.

It's why another, Nelson Mandela, spent the best years of his life in a cell the size of a bed.

And though the fact that Mandela is alive, free and became President, is a sign of the progress we have made: the fact that Stephen Lawrence is dead, for no other reason than he was born black, is a sign of how far we still have to go.

And they still keep opposing progress and justice.

Macron is flailing in the polls because he has no natural constituency. The comparisons with Clegg are apt indeed.

Blair's success was in part due to taking control of a party yearning for power, rather than starting a new one.

williamglenn said:

Mortimer said:

williamglenn said:

TheJezziah said:

In relation to Macron a comment I heard was we have already sort of had our Macron in '97. There are a few differences but the comment rung sort of true to me, the problem now is that to some degree that way has been discredited in the eyes of some and probably couldn't get the same kind of success it had previously even if you had a new version of Blair rather than the tainted version that hangs around lecturing the voters.

Even at his peak Blair was so needlessly divisive. I think Macron doesn't have the same messianic streak (although I wouldn't rule out his monarchical streak causing problems at some point).

This speech was even worse than May's 'citizens of nowhere' for 'othering' a large part of the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/460009.stm

The forces of conservatism allied to racism are why one of the heroes of the 20th Century, Martin Luther King, is dead.

It's why another, Nelson Mandela, spent the best years of his life in a cell the size of a bed.

And though the fact that Mandela is alive, free and became President, is a sign of the progress we have made: the fact that Stephen Lawrence is dead, for no other reason than he was born black, is a sign of how far we still have to go.

And they still keep opposing progress and justice.

Macron is flailing in the polls because he has no natural constituency. The comparisons with Clegg are apt indeed.

Blair's success was in part due to taking control of a party yearning for power, rather than starting a new one.

Macron isn't flailing. He's implementing serious reforms and maintaining decent support. Compare his support with mid-term early Thatcher for example.

@CarlottaVance ignored a more recent poll:
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/969278558563532800

Do you ever accept any criticism of/bad news for any pro EU party/politician?

It's the Oscars tomorrow. Have I missed Roger's thread?

FrancisUrquhart said:

Thanks for info guys, might risk them even if I have to sit next to somebody who thinks KFC is fine dining.

Savages - have they never had a Nando's?

FrancisUrquhart said:

Thanks for info guys, might risk them even if I have to sit next to somebody who thinks KFC is fine dining.

Just so long as they don't take pineapple on their pizza...

Sean_F said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

ydoethur said:

geoffw said:

Foxy said:

Dura_Ace said:

rcs1000 said:

With tattoos, and a military background.

People get excited about ex-mil candidates (PB tories in particular get rock hard about any tory MP with a very average military career) but do any of them ever succeed at the highest level?

The last major politician with a significant military record was Bush Snr. Are there any others?

Paddy Ashdown was the last Party Leader who saw active service. Before that I would reckon Edward Heath, and before that MacMillan (wounded on the Somme as I recall). Eden, Churchill and Attlee all had active WW1 service too.

As a general rule, I agree. Soldiers, and tycoons like Trump, do not make very good politicians. Democracy is a different skill set.

Callaghan (Naval Lieutenant).

I thought Callaghan was in a supporting role, rather than active. I am not an expert and I could be wrong but my understanding is he was never involved in any action. That is not in any way to denigrate his service, overlook the fact that when he volunteered he doubtless fully expected a combat role or to forget that such roles are vital to success in wartime.

If we're talking about leaders of the opposition here as well, shouldn't we at least mention John Kerry? (Edit - and arguably McCain as well.)

Just following on from my comments about Truman earlier. I hadn't realised that when WW2 broke out as a reservist he volunteered to go back on active service. He was turned down partly because of his age but also because Roosevelt wanted all Senators and Congressmen to maintain their seats in Washington, not to go on active service.

According to Wiki, 23 British MPs were killed on active service in WW2 and one died serving with the Home Guard whilst training

That reflects well on our MP's. Though nothing could rival the record of the Roman Senate, most of whom died fighting Hannibal.

A tradition freely borrowed by Geoffrey of Monmouth, who in his Historia regum Britanniae claimed Arthur killed 60 senators in battle while conquering the Roman Empire.

The foreign correspondents on Dateline London , were discussing Brexit .Some were asking if we are leaving or just changing the badge.

FrancisUrquhart said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Thanks for info guys, might risk them even if I have to sit next to somebody who thinks KFC is fine dining.

Just so long as they don't take pineapple on their pizza...

More concerned they might spend 8hrs listening to Radiohead live with open back headphones!

Fly on an American plane. That's covered by the Eighth Amendment.

FrancisUrquhart said:

I thought it was a precondition of being able to post on PB that one only flew business class?

On a serious note, Norwegian air, what are they like? I need to fly to west coast of us in a few months and at the moment they are nearly half the cost of BA.

My family did San Francisco to Stockholm on Norwegian at Christmas. New 787. Fine. Only problem no ad hoc food or drink available, so were trying to eat the seat covers by the end of the flight. Suggest pre-purchasing your meal.

marke09 said:

Britain Elects
‏ @britainelects
39m39 minutes ago

Britain was [X] to vote to leave the EU:

Right: 44% (+2)
Wrong: 45% (-)

via @YouGov, 26 - 27 Feb
Chgs. w/ 19 - 20 Feb

Those 2% added for Right are probably down to Blair saying we were Wrong....

CarlottaVance said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I thought it was a precondition of being able to post on PB that one only flew business class?

On a serious note, Norwegian air, what are they like? I need to fly to west coast of us in a few months and at the moment they are nearly half the cost of BA.

Make sure you are doing a “like for like” comparison and include things like luggage, food etc. The “extras” can add up quite quickly.

I tend to travel light so wasn't bothered (you do get some free luggage), and really at those prices I don't mind spending a few pounds on a meal or taking my own food.

So it looks like the traitor brigade in the Tory party are losing their allies now that their treason is being seen for what it really is. Their masters in Brussels must be very upset. What a shame.

NickPalmer said:

CarlottaVance said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I thought it was a precondition of being able to post on PB that one only flew business class?

On a serious note, Norwegian air, what are they like? I need to fly to west coast of us in a few months and at the moment they are nearly half the cost of BA.

Make sure you are doing a “like for like” comparison and include things like luggage, food etc. The “extras” can add up quite quickly.

I tend to travel light so wasn't bothered (you do get some free luggage), and really at those prices I don't mind spending a few pounds on a meal or taking my own food.

My son uses Norwegian about 3-4 times a year. Only issue is poor entertainment and they sometimes do a late switch with Wamos !! If they do this take the refund or rebooking offer.

They allow kids over 12 to fly as adults which is huge bonus, BA allow 14 year olds to fly as adults which is not bad either.

JackW said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

According to Wiki, 23 British MPs were killed on active service in WW2 and one died serving with the Home Guard whilst training

I was recently reading a piece on the Duke of Kent who was killed whilst serving with the RAF in 1942. He was the most senior member of the royal family to die on active service since Prince Maurice of Battenberg was killed at Ypres in October 1914 whilst serving with the King's Royal Rifles.

Prince Maurice was Queen Victoria's youngest grandchild being the son of her youngest daughter Princess Beatrice. It is ironic that the Queen's youngest grandchild should die at the hands of the forces of her eldest grandchild - Kaiser Wilhelm II.

Surely that would make the Duke of Kent much more senior? He was 6th in line to the throne in 1942. It might be centuries since someone that senior died on active service?

Mortimer said:

williamglenn said:

Mortimer said:

williamglenn said:

TheJezziah said:

In relation to Macron a comment I heard was we have already sort of had our Macron in '97. There are a few differences but the comment rung sort of true to me, the problem now is that to some degree that way has been discredited in the eyes of some and probably couldn't get the same kind of success it had previously even if you had a new version of Blair rather than the tainted version that hangs around lecturing the voters.

Even at his peak Blair was so needlessly divisive. I think Macron doesn't have the same messianic streak (although I wouldn't rule out his monarchical streak causing problems at some point).

This speech was even worse than May's 'citizens of nowhere' for 'othering' a large part of the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/460009.stm

The forces of conservatism allied to racism are why one of the heroes of the 20th Century, Martin Luther King, is dead.

It's why another, Nelson Mandela, spent the best years of his life in a cell the size of a bed.

And though the fact that Mandela is alive, free and became President, is a sign of the progress we have made: the fact that Stephen Lawrence is dead, for no other reason than he was born black, is a sign of how far we still have to go.

And they still keep opposing progress and justice.

Macron is flailing in the polls because he has no natural constituency. The comparisons with Clegg are apt indeed.

Blair's success was in part due to taking control of a party yearning for power, rather than starting a new one.

Macron isn't flailing. He's implementing serious reforms and maintaining decent support. Compare his support with mid-term early Thatcher for example.

@CarlottaVance ignored a more recent poll:
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/969278558563532800

Do you ever accept any criticism of/bad news for any pro EU party/politician?

Do you ever accept any praise of/good news for any pro EU party/politician?

MaxPB said:

So it looks like the traitor brigade in the Tory party are losing their allies now that their treason is being seen for what it really is. Their masters in Brussels must be very upset. What a shame.

Or possibly, they are all traitors now. Wollaston implies there is no longer a need to rebel.

MaxPB said:

So it looks like the traitor brigade in the Tory party are losing their allies now that their treason is being seen for what it really is. Their masters in Brussels must be very upset. What a shame.

Yesterday I suggested that if a few rebels changed their minds over the weekend, it could have been all a clever ploy to make Corbyn put his cards on the table...

NickPalmer said:

CarlottaVance said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I thought it was a precondition of being able to post on PB that one only flew business class?

On a serious note, Norwegian air, what are they like? I need to fly to west coast of us in a few months and at the moment they are nearly half the cost of BA.

Make sure you are doing a “like for like” comparison and include things like luggage, food etc. The “extras” can add up quite quickly.

I tend to travel light so wasn't bothered (you do get some free luggage), and really at those prices I don't mind spending a few pounds on a meal or taking my own food.

Did they let you light the primus stove to warm the food you took with you?

Mortimer said:

williamglenn said:

Mortimer said:

williamglenn said:

TheJezziah said:

In relation to Macron a comment I heard was we have already sort of had our Macron in '97. There are a few differences but the comment rung sort of true to me, the problem now is that to some degree that way has been discredited in the eyes of some and probably couldn't get the same kind of success it had previously even if you had a new version of Blair rather than the tainted version that hangs around lecturing the voters.

Even at his peak Blair was so needlessly divisive. I think Macron doesn't have the same messianic streak (although I wouldn't rule out his monarchical streak causing problems at some point).

This speech was even worse than May's 'citizens of nowhere' for 'othering' a large part of the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/460009.stm

The forces of conservatism allied to racism are why one of the heroes of the 20th Century, Martin Luther King, is dead.

It's why another, Nelson Mandela, spent the best years of his life in a cell the size of a bed.

And though the fact that Mandela is alive, free and became President, is a sign of the progress we have made: the fact that Stephen Lawrence is dead, for no other reason than he was born black, is a sign of how far we still have to go.

And they still keep opposing progress and justice.

Macron is flailing in the polls because he has no natural constituency. The comparisons with Clegg are apt indeed.

Blair's success was in part due to taking control of a party yearning for power, rather than starting a new one.

Macron isn't flailing. He's implementing serious reforms and maintaining decent support. Compare his support with mid-term early Thatcher for example.

@CarlottaVance ignored a more recent poll:
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/969278558563532800

Do you ever accept any criticism of/bad news for any pro EU party/politician?

Macron has the same issues that Thatcher faced. France is in deep trouble which is masked by some successful previous large scale investments and a few smart entrepreneurs.

I set up to pay my French property taxes by monthly debit. One month as I was renovating my flat I missed a payment. I thought no issue as (1) debits taken in advance of day tax to be paid (2) there is no discount for paying early. Silly me. I soon got a letter from my bank at the cost of £50 to tell me the tax authorities were threatening to seize my account as I had missed my £100 monthly debit. I only had £80 in my bank account and they allow no overdraft. This despite I having a mortgage of only 35% of my property value with the bank. Two months later and 20 emails after it was resolved. What a way to run a country.

Mortimer said:

MaxPB said:

So it looks like the traitor brigade in the Tory party are losing their allies now that their treason is being seen for what it really is. Their masters in Brussels must be very upset. What a shame.

Yesterday I suggested that if a few rebels changed their minds over the weekend, it could have been all a clever ploy to make Corbyn put his cards on the table...

It’s probably bought May some time, but her two customs arrangement proposals are both inadequate to do what she wants, particularly if she wants a UK wide solution. Ultimately it will bring us back to a customs union.

ydoethur said:

HYUFD said:

New Zealand's National Party has elected its first Maori leader in the form of the Oxford educated former Crown Prosecutor Simon Bridges to succeed the former PM Bill English.
https://www.conservativehome.com/international/2018/03/zach-castles-meet-the-conservative-who-could-become-new-zealands-first-maori-prime-minister.html

Bridges finds himself leading a party still polling over 40% and having won most votes and seats at the last general election but out of power as PM Jacinda Ardern has formed a Labour coalition minority government with Green and New Zealand First support.

The Tory leader after the next general election could well find themselves in a similar position as Bridges, facing a minority Corbyn government propped up by minor parties.

But in that scenario the country not the PM would end up getting stuffed.

I'll get my thick fleece.

At least until the next general election anyway, thankfully Corbyn is well past the age of fatherhood unless he follows Mick Jagger

2018 Senate watch:

CNN & NYT downgrade Ted Cruz's chance to merely "likely Republican hold" - but no breakthroughs elsewhere.

The increasing frequency with which the government is saying there won't be a second referendum leads one to believe there will.
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/969898507141373954

MaxPB said:

TOPPING said:

MaxPB said:

TOPPING said:

MaxPB said:

So it looks like the traitor brigade in the Tory party are losing their allies now that their treason is being seen for what it really is. Their masters in Brussels must be very upset. What a shame.

Says the guy who loves his country so much he fucked off and left it.

But not to the EU!

Impeccable taste on their part.

I hope your firm is paying you well I was in Lausanne the other day and paid £4.40 for a coffee at Starbucks.

(Remember sterling?)

Well enough, Swiss wages beget Swiss prices. It really irritates me when the foreigners (like me) who work in Switzerland complain about the prices, I earn more than triple what I did in London, the prices are only 30-40% higher though.

Are house prices higher than London then?

williamglenn said:

The increasing frequency with which the government is saying there won't be a second referendum leads one to believe there will.
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/969898507141373954

If they are asked about it they have to answer. And they say no.

Live with it.

williamglenn said:

The increasing frequency with which the government is saying there won't be a second referendum leads one to believe there will.
https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/969898507141373954

The increasing frequency with which you are saying the world is flat leads one to believe it really is an oblate spheroid.....

David_Evershed said:

MaxPB said:

TOPPING said:

MaxPB said:

TOPPING said:

MaxPB said:

So it looks like the traitor brigade in the Tory party are losing their allies now that their treason is being seen for what it really is. Their masters in Brussels must be very upset. What a shame.

Says the guy who loves his country so much he fucked off and left it.

But not to the EU!

Impeccable taste on their part.

I hope your firm is paying you well I was in Lausanne the other day and paid £4.40 for a coffee at Starbucks.

(Remember sterling?)

Well enough, Swiss wages beget Swiss prices. It really irritates me when the foreigners (like me) who work in Switzerland complain about the prices, I earn more than triple what I did in London, the prices are only 30-40% higher though.

Are house prices higher than London then?

Not as much as you'd think.

david_herdson said:

JackW said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

According to Wiki, 23 British MPs were killed on active service in WW2 and one died serving with the Home Guard whilst training

I was recently reading a piece on the Duke of Kent who was killed whilst serving with the RAF in 1942. He was the most senior member of the royal family to die on active service since Prince Maurice of Battenberg was killed at Ypres in October 1914 whilst serving with the King's Royal Rifles.

Prince Maurice was Queen Victoria's youngest grandchild being the son of her youngest daughter Princess Beatrice. It is ironic that the Queen's youngest grandchild should die at the hands of the forces of her eldest grandchild - Kaiser Wilhelm II.

Surely that would make the Duke of Kent much more senior? He was 6th in line to the throne in 1942. It might be centuries since someone that senior died on active service?

Quite correct David. Poorly worded.

The most senior royal from the British Isles to perish before the Duke of Kent was James IV of Scotland at the Battle of Flodden in 1513.

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

williamglenn said:

Wow. A full house of instant reactions from worried Brexiteers.

We only had the first EU referendum because the Tories had it in their manifesto in 2015 and won a majority on it. Unless Labour wins a majority at the next general election with a manifesto commitment for a second EU referendum or the LDs hold the balance of power with a manifesto commitment for another referendum it won't happen

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

Who says pb isn’t representative of the nation....

FrancisUrquhart said:

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

Who says pb isn’t representative of the nation....

I have flown a great deal over the last twelve years mainly in long haul to New Zealand, Australia, Tokyo, Beijing, Buenos Aires, and Vancouver and have been in premiun class a few times, mainly with BA and while the cabin and seating is better, the food and service is very average

TOPPING said:

rcs1000 said:

On the subject of American politics, here is the video from the presumptive Democratic nominee for the West Virginia 3rd Congressional district.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqsa0c8lHv0

This is a district where Trump got 80% of the vote, but where Ojeda is leading in the polling.

Slightly off topic

There was a great book, can’t remember its name, wherein a journalist lived as a Walmart worker and showed how the poor managed, or rather didn't manage, and just slipped into further poverty, and couldn't just "live within their means".

A bit like Adam Holloway's homeless programme over here some years ago.

Very good.

Do you mean Nickel and Dimed?

(And yes, it's an excellent - albeit depressing book.)

HYUFD said:

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

I would imagine it is the 1% who most frequently fly in exclusive plane classes designed for the top 1% of earners.

'Kayak’s survey also revealed that France was the country most visited by Britons, with 68 per cent having been there in their lifetime, followed by Spain (63 per cent), Italy (44 per cent), the US (42 per cent) and Germany (41 per cent)'

The top 0.0001% own their own planes
The top 0.001% charter for short haul, and fly commercial long haul
The top 0.01% charter planes for short haul occasionally
The top 1% fly business class from time-to-time

FrancisUrquhart said:

HYUFD said:

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

I would imagine it is the 1% who most frequently fly in exclusive plane classes designed for the top 1% of earners.

'Kayak’s survey also revealed that France was the country most visited by Britons, with 68 per cent having been there in their lifetime, followed by Spain (63 per cent), Italy (44 per cent), the US (42 per cent) and Germany (41 per cent)'

HYUFD said:

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

I would imagine it is the 1% who most frequently fly in exclusive plane classes designed for the top 1% of earners.

'Kayak’s survey also revealed that France was the country most visited by Britons, with 68 per cent having been there in their lifetime, followed by Spain (63 per cent), Italy (44 per cent), the US (42 per cent) and Germany (41 per cent)'

Why so many Brit’s want to visit a shithole country like France is beyond me*!

* joking obvs.

Well firstly it is the nearest, bar Ireland and secondly it has Paris, skiing and warm sunny beaches in the south and great food and wine

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

HYUFD said:

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

I would imagine it is the 1% who most frequently fly in exclusive plane classes designed for the top 1% of earners.

'Kayak’s survey also revealed that France was the country most visited by Britons, with 68 per cent having been there in their lifetime, followed by Spain (63 per cent), Italy (44 per cent), the US (42 per cent) and Germany (41 per cent)'

HYUFD said:

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

I would imagine it is the 1% who most frequently fly in exclusive plane classes designed for the top 1% of earners.

'Kayak’s survey also revealed that France was the country most visited by Britons, with 68 per cent having been there in their lifetime, followed by Spain (63 per cent), Italy (44 per cent), the US (42 per cent) and Germany (41 per cent)'

Why so many Brit’s want to visit a shithole country like France is beyond me*!

* joking obvs.

Well firstly it is the nearest, bar Ireland and secondly it has Paris, skiing and warm sunny beaches in the south and great food and wine

I agree with all of that, except Paris...that is a shithole.

Mortimer said:

Do you ever accept any criticism of/bad news for any pro EU party/politician?

I think there is one area where you do need to give Macron credit: he's the only French politician in 35 years* whose managed to push through anything in the way of labour market reform.

The question is whether he will continue with the reforms, or whether he'll rest on his laurels. With the French economy improving, the temptation to do nothing and avoid conflict will be great. But if he does continue to liberalise the French labour market, then he will likely go down as the man who successfully faced down the French unions, and modernised the French economy.

* The last, believe it or not, was Mitterand in the early 80s

rcs1000 said:

TOPPING said:

rcs1000 said:

On the subject of American politics, here is the video from the presumptive Democratic nominee for the West Virginia 3rd Congressional district.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqsa0c8lHv0

This is a district where Trump got 80% of the vote, but where Ojeda is leading in the polling.

Slightly off topic

There was a great book, can’t remember its name, wherein a journalist lived as a Walmart worker and showed how the poor managed, or rather didn't manage, and just slipped into further poverty, and couldn't just "live within their means".

A bit like Adam Holloway's homeless programme over here some years ago.

Very good.

Do you mean Nickel and Dimed?

(And yes, it's an excellent - albeit depressing book.)

Yes that was it. V powerful.

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

Usually use EVA air flying to Bangkok. Premium Economy. Comfortable and, usually, good food.
Flown Icelandair economy twice and don’t want to again.

HYUFD said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

HYUFD said:

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

I would imagine it is the 1% who most frequently fly in exclusive plane classes designed for the top 1% of earners.

'Kayak’s survey also revealed that France was the country most visited by Britons, with 68 per cent having been there in their lifetime, followed by Spain (63 per cent), Italy (44 per cent), the US (42 per cent) and Germany (41 per cent)'

HYUFD said:

AndyJS said:

I wonder what percentage of people have travelled on a plane in anything other than economy class. 1%? 2%? 0.5%?

25% have never flown at all according to this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/a-quarter-of-britons-have-never-been-on-a-plane-visited-a-beach-or-european-capital/

"Twenty-two percent of Britons have never travelled on a plane and one in four have never visited a capital city in Europe, while nearly a third (29 per cent) have never travelled outside of Europe, and a fifth have never been to a beach, according to new research."

I would imagine it is the 1% who most frequently fly in exclusive plane classes designed for the top 1% of earners.

'Kayak’s survey also revealed that France was the country most visited by Britons, with 68 per cent having been there in their lifetime, followed by Spain (63 per cent), Italy (44 per cent), the US (42 per cent) and Germany (41 per cent)'

Why so many Brit’s want to visit a shithole country like France is beyond me*!

* joking obvs.

Well firstly it is the nearest, bar Ireland and secondly it has Paris, skiing and warm sunny beaches in the south and great food and wine

You ski on warm sunny beaches?