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F1: Raining in Barcelona, although it may be dry later. Having lost more than half the test to the weather, I think with the benefit of hindsight everyone will be annoyed not to have gone with the option of a flyaway test in Bahrain, rather than stay in Europe in February.0
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It did , to many though me included , it was an internal conservative dog fight..Tykejohnno said:
And remain still lost to these so called minnows.Roger said:Tony Blair on Radio 4 showing the contrast between the minnows who are leading Brexit and Colossi who are opposing them.
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On topic, I'd consider it almost certain, at this stage, that the Democrats will win the House, while the Republicans retain the Senate.
Given that every State returns two Senators, regardless of population, the Republicans ought to have a hammer-lock on it, given how many White rural States there are. But, they sportingly choose enough freak candidates to give the Democrats a chance.0 -
'Back in your box' gives it away. Who but a Tory would be so unself-aware as to parade their arrogance and ignorance towards a senior European politician? Well maybe Farage and his bunch of spivsRecidivist said:
Never heard of the guy and I don't know which party he belongs to, but he clearly shouldn't be an MP. If he wants to be a melodramatic tart he should go on the stage.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Mr. Sandpit, yeah, but, to be fair, the weather is pretty unusual.0
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Authorised by Big G, Chairman - Llandudno chapter.Jonathan said:
That was a party political broadcast by the Theresa May fanzine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is a clear co-ordinated attack on Brexit by those who consider themselves superior to the ordinary voter but TM will stand firm as she showed to popular acclaim yesterdayCarlottaVance said:0 -
BEATEN BY A BUS.Ishmael_Z said:
A point which astounds me anew several times a day, still. One could make a fortune selling the remoaners T shirts saying OUTWITTED BY A MORON, THRASHED BY A 9 STONE WEAKLING, or just ICELAND 2, ENGLAND 1.Tykejohnno said:
And remain still lost to these so called minnows.Roger said:Tony Blair on Radio 4 showing the contrast between the minnows who are leading Brexit and Colossi who are opposing them.
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Eat shit. 20,000,000 flies can't be wongTykejohnno said:
And remain still lost to these so called minnows.Roger said:Tony Blair on Radio 4 showing the contrast between the minnows who are leading Brexit and Colossi who are opposing them.
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Trust Norman Smith to uncritically quote Tusk’s views as if they were law.CarlottaVance said:
No sensible transition deal = no money. Simple.0 -
Utterly, certifiably bonkers.archer101au said:
And this is the truth.daodao said:
He merely contrasted the consequences of a hard vs soft Brexit, albeit with his preference evident. Unfortunately, the EU is clear in its position, whereas the shambolic Westminster administration is behaving like a rabbit caught in the headlights. The choice, as in 1940, is between confronting an autocratic European empire, at great cost, or meekly accepting its suzerainty. The nature of the European empire may be very different from 1940, but the concept is the same.Roger said:Tony Blair on Radio 4 showing the contrast between the minnows who are leading Brexit and Colossi who are opposing them.
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Ambitious managed divergence , is the one for the masses.JackW said:
It's a mute point from Nick Robinson because this riven government doesn't have the fantest idea what BREXIT actually means. A soundbite does not a policy make.CarlottaVance said:0 -
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.0 -
Is anyone else finding the site really "sticky" this morning? I keep finding it frozen (in sympathy with outside perhaps) when I try to read down the thread. Wondering if it is my computer or something else.0
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LolRoger said:
Eat shit. 20,000,000 flies can't be wongTykejohnno said:
And remain still lost to these so called minnows.Roger said:Tony Blair on Radio 4 showing the contrast between the minnows who are leading Brexit and Colossi who are opposing them.
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Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'0 -
It's worth reminding ourselves what the joint report actually said on EU - NI relations. The onus for avoiding NI - GB barriers is explicitly on the UK government. Equally the UK government committed to developing workable alternatives to the backstop. The EU possibly is saying, we have done what we're responsible for, now it's up to the UK government to come up with concrete, workable alternatives.CarlottaVance said:
Why was it in the agreement but removed from the legal text? Why take it out?SouthamObserver said:
Nothing need interfere with GB NI trade. That’s an internal matter for the British government.CarlottaVance said:
Not quite - its 'interpreted' what was agreed - with some significant omissions.......like removing the reference to 'nothing shall interfere with NI-GB trade'.......NickPalmer said:
There's an objective problem, as everyone concedes, and the Commission has done nothing more than quote back the fudge that Mrs May agreed in DecemberCarlottaVance said:
49. The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to
its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible
with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve
these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible,
the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique
circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United
Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the
Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all-
island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.
50. In the absence of agreed solutions, as set out in the previous paragraph, the United
Kingdom will ensure that no new regulatory barriers develop between Northern
Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom, unless, consistent with the 1998
Agreement, the Northern Ireland Executive and Assembly agree that distinct
arrangements are appropriate for Northern Ireland. In all circumstances, the United
Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's
businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market.
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Lol, shocking that the Irish are indulging in politics with regard to Brexit. As opposed to the UKs pure and rational Brexit process utterly untainted by such skullduggery.CarlottaVance said:
Ultimately, the UK was originally hoping to use the Irish border as a way to cherry pick frictionless trade with the rest of the EU but keep control of our own trade arrangements. The EU has simply called our bluff and gone all in.0 -
Ironically the government could do with prime Blair leading the Brexit negotiations. If he was , the UK would probably come away with everything and a few nice Mediterranean islands to sweeten the deal.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.0 -
Come on Remain had Lord Stuart Rose saying that people need to vote to Remain because otherwise their wages would rise if we left.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.
With titans like that in charge, how did they lose?0 -
Yeah because Blair did so well any time he negotiated with Europeans didn't he?Jonathan said:
Ironically the government could do with prime Blair leading the Brexit negotiations. If he was , the UK would probably come away with everything and a few nice Mediterranean islands to sweeten the deal.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.
He had those great successes under his belt like giving away half our rebate in exchange for a promise to look down the line at reforming CAP which never happened. And ummm .... errr ....0 -
Hindsight is a wonderful thing! The issue is that the season now starts earlier than a few years ago, so the testing has crept back into February when it used to be in the middle of March.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, yeah, but, to be fair, the weather is pretty unusual.
To make matters worse, there have been a lot of discussions over the past couple of years about the pros and cons of a Bahrain test, with the decision being made that the cost of the flyaway outweighed the chance of poor weather in Barcelona.
£10 says they’ll now decide go to the sandpit for testing next year!0 -
He got what he wanted.Philip_Thompson said:
Yeah because Blair did so well any time he negotiated with Europeans didn't he?Jonathan said:
Ironically the government could do with prime Blair leading the Brexit negotiations. If he was , the UK would probably come away with everything and a few nice Mediterranean islands to sweeten the deal.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.
He had those great successes under his belt like giving away half our rebate in exchange for a promise to look down the line at reforming CAP which never happened. And ummm .... errr ....0 -
That was hillarious, Day 1 of the campaign and Rose didn’t understand that his comments to a room of business leaders would be reported somewhat more widely!Philip_Thompson said:
Come on Remain had Lord Stuart Rose saying that people need to vote to Remain because otherwise their wages would rise if we left.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.
With titans like that in charge, how did they lose?0 -
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.0 -
Boles was a moderniser before it was fashionable, a supporter of Portillo and then Cameron who set up a think tank with Francis Maude. He has also recently recovered from cancerRecidivist said:
Never heard of the guy and I don't know which party he belongs to, but he clearly shouldn't be an MP. If he wants to be a melodramatic tart he should go on the stage.CarlottaVance said:0 -
What about the Quiet Bat people?Yorkcity said:
Ambitious managed divergence , is the one for the masses.JackW said:
It's a mute point from Nick Robinson because this riven government doesn't have the fantest idea what BREXIT actually means. A soundbite does not a policy make.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Which was what exactly? What did we as a nation get that he wanted?Jonathan said:
He got what he wanted.Philip_Thompson said:
Yeah because Blair did so well any time he negotiated with Europeans didn't he?Jonathan said:
Ironically the government could do with prime Blair leading the Brexit negotiations. If he was , the UK would probably come away with everything and a few nice Mediterranean islands to sweeten the deal.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.
He had those great successes under his belt like giving away half our rebate in exchange for a promise to look down the line at reforming CAP which never happened. And ummm .... errr ....0 -
They had Bob Geldof shouting abuse at fishermen.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.0 -
Um No.Sandpit said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing! The issue is that the season now starts earlier than a few years ago, so the testing has crept back into February when it used to be in the middle of March.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, yeah, but, to be fair, the weather is pretty unusual.
To make matters worse, there have been a lot of discussions over the past couple of years about the pros and cons of a Bahrain test, with the decision being made that the cost of the flyaway outweighed the chance of poor weather in Barcelona.
£10 says they’ll now decide go to the sandpit for testing next year!
When I went to watch the 1999 Australian Grand Prix - the first race of the season - it was on 7th March. This year the Australian Grand Prix is on 25th March. Which is almost 3 weeks later.
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They did agree to soft pedal - so he could win that bike race and grab some PR.Jonathan said:
He got what he wanted.Philip_Thompson said:
Yeah because Blair did so well any time he negotiated with Europeans didn't he?Jonathan said:
Ironically the government could do with prime Blair leading the Brexit negotiations. If he was , the UK would probably come away with everything and a few nice Mediterranean islands to sweeten the deal.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.
He had those great successes under his belt like giving away half our rebate in exchange for a promise to look down the line at reforming CAP which never happened. And ummm .... errr ....
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May = Nicola Murrayrottenborough said:
What about the Quiet Bat people?Yorkcity said:
Ambitious managed divergence , is the one for the masses.JackW said:
It's a mute point from Nick Robinson because this riven government doesn't have the fantest idea what BREXIT actually means. A soundbite does not a policy make.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.0 -
And that's with only 11 GW of leccy being generated by CCGTs. If we didn't have another 11 GW coming out of the remaining coal stations we'd be a bit buggered.OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
When they say 'ship' presumably they are referring to LNG. I guess Grain, South Hook and Dragon are all vaporising and sticking gas into the grid at full pelt. And some LNG speculators are making £££.0 -
I had this discussion with someone last week. Pointing out that this could be the Nixon in China moment. But with far bigger implications for the lives of US citizens.NickPalmer said:Wow - Trump appears to take on the NRA:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/28/trump-background-checks-gun-control
I always hoped that his naturally combative nature wouldn't let him be exclusively right-wing- populists respond to popular moods. If he sticks to it (if big if) that'd be a bit of a game-changer for gun reform and perhaps for Trump's image.0 -
and stuffed the taxpayer in so doing.Jonathan said:
He got what he wanted.Philip_Thompson said:
Yeah because Blair did so well any time he negotiated with Europeans didn't he?Jonathan said:
Ironically the government could do with prime Blair leading the Brexit negotiations. If he was , the UK would probably come away with everything and a few nice Mediterranean islands to sweeten the deal.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.
He had those great successes under his belt like giving away half our rebate in exchange for a promise to look down the line at reforming CAP which never happened. And ummm .... errr ....0 -
We'll see, Nick. Remember he made similar noises about backing Democrat bills at the immigration summit, and quickly abandoned that. It could be different this time around, but Trump is nothing if not fickle.NickPalmer said:Wow - Trump appears to take on the NRA:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/28/trump-background-checks-gun-control
I always hoped that his naturally combative nature wouldn't let him be exclusively right-wing- populists respond to popular moods. If he sticks to it (if big if) that'd be a bit of a game-changer for gun reform and perhaps for Trump's image.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/donald-trumps-gun-control-meeting-was-a-nightmare-for-republicans.html?
Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who got a hearty endorsement from Trump for her bill to restrict gun sales to domestic abusers, thought this meeting was different from the immigration summit. “You saw the president clearly saying not once, not twice, not three times but, like, 10 times that he wanted to see a strong universal background check bill,” she said. “He didn’t mince words about it. So I don’t understand how, then, he could back away from that.”
This could be a failure of imagination on Sen. Klobuchar’s part...
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Interesting to see much derided wind power making a critical contribution.SandyRentool said:
And that's with only 11 GW of leccy being generated by CCGTs. If we didn't have another 11 GW coming out of the remaining coal stations we'd be a bit buggered.OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
When they say 'ship' presumably they are referring to LNG. I guess Grain, South Hook and Dragon are all vaporising and sticking gas into the grid at full pelt. And some LNG speculators are making £££.0 -
Blair used to holiday in Berlusconi's villa on Sardinia. I don't know what deals were sweetened while he was out there.Jonathan said:
Ironically the government could do with prime Blair leading the Brexit negotiations. If he was , the UK would probably come away with everything and a few nice Mediterranean islands to sweeten the deal.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.0 -
Carlotta not like you to be a contender for asinine comment of the day.CarlottaVance said:SouthamObserver said:
Politics is driving the UK government’s Brexit approach. May is terrified of the Loons on the Tory right and so is incapable of coming up with any coherent solution to the Irish border problems the Leave vote created - and which, of course, the Leave campaign said did not exist. The same terror caused ger to trigger Article 50 without having nailed down the UK’s strategy for departure and creating the red lines which are now so constraining her.CarlottaVance said:
Lord Trimble argues that politics is driving the Irish government's approach - or did you not read that, just pasted one of your 'loons' posts?
Of course it’s effing well about politics.
So was 1916. So was 1922. So was 1969.
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Morning all
Light snow here in East London this morning but plenty of heat if not light on matters A50 yesterday it would seem.
While the Prime Minister, to "popular acclaim" (well, in parts of North Wales at least), did her usual Britannia (the symbol, not the impressive cruise ship) act and tried to galvanise her political base by standing up to "Johnny Foreigner", she was also caving in on immigration as apparently any EU national who comes during Transition will have the right to stay indefinitely - strange how that's not been mentioned but stridency over Ulster gets all the coverage.
Back to the Irish Border Question - Barnier's proposal is not the EU position but it's what would or could happen if other solutions put forward by the UK were not possible. The onus is, as it has been from the outset of A50 negotiation, on the UK to come up with a mutually acceptable solution to the issue of the border between Ulster and Eire. I don't doubt there are technological options and the like but it's an issue that needs resolution rather than the usual British response of public defiance and private capitulation.
There seem to have been some differences of interpretation between the EU and UK over what was agreed in December (hailed by the usual suspects as a "triumph for Mrs May") and that's inevitable but if those differences seem to be in the areas which have been portrayed as "successes" by one side it does make you wonder whether the definition of "success" needs to be more than "she got through the week".
Major's comments last evening didn't amount to much more than a frustrated ex-PM putting the boot in to those who made his last years in office purgatory. MPs will get a vote on the A50 Treaty (if there is one) and it remains to be seen if we will seen principle crushed by loyalty or long-held beliefs trampled by cajolery or coercion from the Whips' offices.0 -
That doesn’t sound good. Even with a lot of schools and businesses closed there’s still a shortfall - and with most of Northern Europe also snowed in, those we usually rely on for extra supplies are not going to be able to deliver. Gridwatch show demand for the past three days more than 10% up on previous weekdays in Feb. http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.ukOldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
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I like my promotion but if you have followed my recent postings I only support TM to do Brexit, thereafter someone new is requiredGardenwalker said:
Authorised by Big G, Chairman - Llandudno chapter.Jonathan said:
That was a party political broadcast by the Theresa May fanzine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is a clear co-ordinated attack on Brexit by those who consider themselves superior to the ordinary voter but TM will stand firm as she showed to popular acclaim yesterdayCarlottaVance said:0 -
St David's Day poll:
The stark contrast between the continuing turmoil in the political world - over issues as diverse as Brexit and the future of Carwyn Jones - and the seeming immovability in the electorate's voting intentions is, to say the least, puzzling.
In assembly terms, support for Labour has increased despite all the questions surrounding the death of Carl Sargeant, while at the Westminster level the Conservatives are holding steady despite the infighting in the UK government over Brexit.
The likeliest explanation for the electoral stasis is the polarisation caused by the EU referendum with the Conservative Leave voters providing the party with a floor beneath which the party's support can't drop.
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It's nonsense though - 1) it's not the only position 2) of the positions its a ridiculous one and 3) it gives the EU no incentive to agree to a new system (and this is an organisation that hates change) and 4) it smells like one of their duplicitous plots.stodge said:
Back to the Irish Border Question - Barnier's proposal is not the EU position but it's what would or could happen if other solutions put forward by the UK were not possible.
As spotted by well anyone who isn't a remainer
https://twitter.com/EuroBriefing/status/969124532878495744
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Biomass providing enough to drive s flux capacitor.Sandpit said:
That doesn’t sound good. Even with a lot of schools and businesses closed there’s still a shortfall - and with most of Northern Europe also snowed in, those we usually rely on for extra supplies are not going to be able to deliver. Gridwatch show demand for the past three days more than 10% up on previous weekdays in Feb. http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.ukOldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'0 -
Solar, less so. But that will be generating flat out at lunchtime in July when we don't need the power. Solar only makes sense in locations where the peak power load is for air conditioning. Otherwise you are just idling dispatchable capacity in the summer, which then has to be given capacity payments (i.e. subsidies) to keep it available for the winter. The solar plant receives a subsidy to generate electricity, the CCGT receives a subsidy because it doesn't generate electricity. I do not believe this is the most cost effective way to reduce our CO2 emissions.Jonathan said:
Interesting to see much derided wind power making a critical contribution.SandyRentool said:
And that's with only 11 GW of leccy being generated by CCGTs. If we didn't have another 11 GW coming out of the remaining coal stations we'd be a bit buggered.OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
When they say 'ship' presumably they are referring to LNG. I guess Grain, South Hook and Dragon are all vaporising and sticking gas into the grid at full pelt. And some LNG speculators are making £££.0 -
Blair was implying that the British were playing politics while the Irish had the purest of motives......TOPPING said:
Carlotta not like you to be a contender for asinine comment of the day.CarlottaVance said:SouthamObserver said:
Politics is driving the UK government’s Brexit approach. May is terrified of the Loons on the Tory right and so is incapable of coming up with any coherent solution to the Irish border problems the Leave vote created - and which, of course, the Leave campaign said did not exist. The same terror caused ger to trigger Article 50 without having nailed down the UK’s strategy for departure and creating the red lines which are now so constraining her.CarlottaVance said:
Lord Trimble argues that politics is driving the Irish government's approach - or did you not read that, just pasted one of your 'loons' posts?
Of course it’s effing well about politics.
So was 1916. So was 1922. So was 1969.
What the **** do you think it’s about?0 -
Yet you are the one who continually indulges in personality politics against the Leaver politicians.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
Your continued utter hypocrisy is both reassuring and hilarious.0 -
David Allen-Green makes the interesting point that the draft agreement contains nothing that's controversial apart from the Ireland issue, because it was all (money, citizens rights, ECJ etc) cleared out the way in December, and because the EU is vastly better organised than our government.
The Irish issue remains because our government isn't serious about some commitments it reluctantly entered into in December. So the EU has upped the ante. It is an intractable issue though. My guess is that the withdrawal agreement will go through with the three options remaining as options and the third backstop spelt out as in the draft. The focus will be on option A (overall UK EU solution) as part of the post Brexit future relationship negotiation.
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An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.0 -
It won't. Fake news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.0 -
Ah, that got me looking! Yes, from 1996 (when the event moved from the end of the season to the start of the season) until 2005 it was in early March, then moved to late March or early April until 2011, before coming back a couple of weeks again.Richard_Tyndall said:
Um No.Sandpit said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing! The issue is that the season now starts earlier than a few years ago, so the testing has crept back into February when it used to be in the middle of March.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, yeah, but, to be fair, the weather is pretty unusual.
To make matters worse, there have been a lot of discussions over the past couple of years about the pros and cons of a Bahrain test, with the decision being made that the cost of the flyaway outweighed the chance of poor weather in Barcelona.
£10 says they’ll now decide go to the sandpit for testing next year!
When I went to watch the 1999 Australian Grand Prix - the first race of the season - it was on 7th March. This year the Australian Grand Prix is on 25th March. Which is almost 3 weeks later.
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The key to effective solar in the UK is storage. Until we can do that efficiently it is a bit of a subsidised nonsense. Thinking over my earlier comments however I suspect the more important part of our wind capacity is at sea these days making it less vulnerable to icing.SandyRentool said:
Solar, less so. But that will be generating flat out at lunchtime in July when we don't need the power. Solar only makes sense in locations where the peak power load is for air conditioning. Otherwise you are just idling dispatchable capacity in the summer, which then has to be given capacity payments (i.e. subsidies) to keep it available for the winter. The solar plant receives a subsidy to generate electricity, the CCGT receives a subsidy because it doesn't generate electricity. I do not believe this is the most cost effective way to reduce our CO2 emissions.Jonathan said:
Interesting to see much derided wind power making a critical contribution.SandyRentool said:
And that's with only 11 GW of leccy being generated by CCGTs. If we didn't have another 11 GW coming out of the remaining coal stations we'd be a bit buggered.OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
When they say 'ship' presumably they are referring to LNG. I guess Grain, South Hook and Dragon are all vaporising and sticking gas into the grid at full pelt. And some LNG speculators are making £££.0 -
Wind also contributing strongly to Germany's power generation:Jonathan said:
Interesting to see much derided wind power making a critical contribution.SandyRentool said:
And that's with only 11 GW of leccy being generated by CCGTs. If we didn't have another 11 GW coming out of the remaining coal stations we'd be a bit buggered.OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
When they say 'ship' presumably they are referring to LNG. I guess Grain, South Hook and Dragon are all vaporising and sticking gas into the grid at full pelt. And some LNG speculators are making £££.
https://www.agora-energiewende.de/de/themen/-agothem-/Produkt/produkt/76/Agorameter/0 -
It was partly thanks to Blair's failure to impose transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries in 2004 that Leave wonJonathan said:
Ironically the government could do with prime Blair leading the Brexit negotiations. If he was , the UK would probably come away with everything and a few nice Mediterranean islands to sweeten the deal.edmundintokyo said:
These are both right - on the one hand he's a war criminal and being on the same side as him should make you suspect you're wrong, but on the other, he's a genuinely great communicator.Ishmael_Z said:
The question was about trust, though. There is no one in or out of public life about whom I would be less certain than I am about Blair that he said only what he believed to be true or that if he said he would in the future do something, he fully intended to do it. People pay attention to where the arguments are coming from.Roger said:
Does it ever occur to you that people listen to the arguments? There are very few who advocate their position as persuasively and with such erudition as Blair. Certainly not IDS!Mortimer said:
No. I actively encourage him to get back into the fray. Would be hilarious, and almost certainly split the Labour vote. Would be hilarious to see him see how far his star has fallen...Jonathan said:
One of the problems with the Remain campaign was that they didn't really have anyone who could reach out to the waverers; Cameron already looked mildly ridiculous after the "renegotiation", and they ended up getting represented by people like Eddy Izzard who only appealed to the people they appeal to.0 -
The British are playing politics with Irish politics which is a very dangerous and stupid ploy. Or rather, the Conservative Party is playing politics with...CarlottaVance said:
Blair was implying that the British were playing politics while the Irish had the purest of motives......TOPPING said:
Carlotta not like you to be a contender for asinine comment of the day.CarlottaVance said:SouthamObserver said:
Politics is driving the UK government’s Brexit approach. May is terrified of the Loons on the Tory right and so is incapable of coming up with any coherent solution to the Irish border problems the Leave vote created - and which, of course, the Leave campaign said did not exist. The same terror caused ger to trigger Article 50 without having nailed down the UK’s strategy for departure and creating the red lines which are now so constraining her.CarlottaVance said:
Lord Trimble argues that politics is driving the Irish government's approach - or did you not read that, just pasted one of your 'loons' posts?
Of course it’s effing well about politics.
So was 1916. So was 1922. So was 1969.
What the **** do you think it’s about?0 -
It is similar to holidaymakers who travel to areas not approved by the foreign office. And by the way it is not fake news, it was a responsible discussion by an insurance expertIshmael_Z said:
It won't. Fake news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.0 -
F1: Gasly ripped his suit on the halo the other day. Quite a laundry list of reasons to dislike it now.0
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Very good summary.stodge said:Morning all
Light snow here in East London this morning but plenty of heat if not light on matters A50 yesterday it would seem.
While the Prime Minister, to "popular acclaim" (well, in parts of North Wales at least), did her usual Britannia (the symbol, not the impressive cruise ship) act and tried to galvanise her political base by standing up to "Johnny Foreigner", she was also caving in on immigration as apparently any EU national who comes during Transition will have the right to stay indefinitely - strange how that's not been mentioned but stridency over Ulster gets all the coverage.
Back to the Irish Border Question - Barnier's proposal is not the EU position but it's what would or could happen if other solutions put forward by the UK were not possible. The onus is, as it has been from the outset of A50 negotiation, on the UK to come up with a mutually acceptable solution to the issue of the border between Ulster and Eire. I don't doubt there are technological options and the like but it's an issue that needs resolution rather than the usual British response of public defiance and private capitulation.
There seem to have been some differences of interpretation between the EU and UK over what was agreed in December (hailed by the usual suspects as a "triumph for Mrs May") and that's inevitable but if those differences seem to be in the areas which have been portrayed as "successes" by one side it does make you wonder whether the definition of "success" needs to be more than "she got through the week".
Major's comments last evening didn't amount to much more than a frustrated ex-PM putting the boot in to those who made his last years in office purgatory. MPs will get a vote on the A50 Treaty (if there is one) and it remains to be seen if we will seen principle crushed by loyalty or long-held beliefs trampled by cajolery or coercion from the Whips' offices.
More heat than light at present, but we have learned this week
- Because of internal divides in Westminster, the EU are being forced to do the running to define our transition and end state (even though we are the ones exiting).
- May doesn’t have the numbers for a hard-as-fuck Brexit (even if she wanted it, which seems unlikely)
- But she also knows the loon bars (autocorrect, but good neologism) can bring her down if sufficiently incensed.
- She will continue to concede when she thinks she can get away with it, as she did this week on the rights of EU nationals.
The final deal will be whatever the EU can get through May, who in turn needs to get it through both ERG *and* Parliament.
Expect global fudge supplies will be severely depleted by the end of all this.0 -
Tesla recently built a massive battery in Australia for solar storage which seems to be working well, but as @Sandyrentool points out below solar works better in environments where the load is for air conditioning in the summer rather than heating in the winter.DavidL said:
The key to effective solar in the UK is storage. Until we can do that efficiently it is a bit of a subsidised nonsense. Thinking over my earlier comments however I suspect the more important part of our wind capacity is at sea these days making it less vulnerable to icing.SandyRentool said:
Solar, less so. But that will be generating flat out at lunchtime in July when we don't need the power. Solar only makes sense in locations where the peak power load is for air conditioning. Otherwise you are just idling dispatchable capacity in the summer, which then has to be given capacity payments (i.e. subsidies) to keep it available for the winter. The solar plant receives a subsidy to generate electricity, the CCGT receives a subsidy because it doesn't generate electricity. I do not believe this is the most cost effective way to reduce our CO2 emissions.Jonathan said:
Interesting to see much derided wind power making a critical contribution.SandyRentool said:
And that's with only 11 GW of leccy being generated by CCGTs. If we didn't have another 11 GW coming out of the remaining coal stations we'd be a bit buggered.OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
When they say 'ship' presumably they are referring to LNG. I guess Grain, South Hook and Dragon are all vaporising and sticking gas into the grid at full pelt. And some LNG speculators are making £££.0 -
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.0 -
Trump would get the Siberans to payOldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'0 -
Has there actually been a state of emergency declared by the government, with people *ordered* not to drive? If not, it just sounds like insurance companies trying to wriggle out of claims.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is similar to holidaymakers who travel to areas not approved by the foreign office. And by the way it is not fake news, it was a responsible discussion by an insurance expertIshmael_Z said:
It won't. Fake news.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
Still bloody silly to drive if you don’t have snow chains or winter tyres though.0 -
It does make sense. A red weather zone is an explicit request not to travel and listening to the Police this morning thay are saying do not travel so if you ignore that you could be considered to be acting negligently.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.
Of course it only applies to the red weather zones0 -
And what would the use be of a car insurance policy which excluded claims arising from one's own negligence?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does make sense. A red weather zone is an explicit request not to travel and listening to the Police thid morning thay are saying do not travel so if you ignore that you could be considered to be acting negligentlyDavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.-1 -
I don't expect a lot of fudge. There will be some on Ireland, but less than before. The EU are being very assertive, but I expect May to take her minute victories where she can. Even the headbangers.don't seem to think there's an alternative that works for them. They would have gone for it by now if there wereGardenwalker said:
Very good summary.stodge said:Morning all
Light snow here in East London this morning but plenty of heat if not light on matters A50 yesterday it would seem.
While the Prime Minister, to "popular acclaim" (well, in parts of North Wales at least), did her usual Britannia (the symbol, not the impressive cruise ship) act and tried to galvanise her political base by standing up to "Johnny Foreigner", she was also caving in on immigration as apparently any EU national who comes during Transition will have the right to stay indefinitely - strange how that's not been mentioned but stridency over Ulster gets all the coverage.
SNIP ***********
Major's comments last evening didn't amount to much more than a frustrated ex-PM putting the boot in to those who made his last years in office purgatory. MPs will get a vote on the A50 Treaty (if there is one) and it remains to be seen if we will seen principle crushed by loyalty or long-held beliefs trampled by cajolery or coercion from the Whips' offices.
More heat than light at present, but we have learned this week
- Because of internal divides in Westminster, the EU are being forced to do the running to define our transition and end state (even though we are the ones exiting).
- May doesn’t have the numbers for a hard-as-fuck Brexit (even if she wanted it, which seems unlikely)
- But she also knows the loon bars (autocorrect, but good neologism) can bring her down if sufficiently incensed.
- She will continue to concede when she thinks she can get away with it, as she did this week on the rights of EU nationals.
The final deal will be whatever the EU can get through May, who in turn needs to get it through both ERG *and* Parliament.
Expect global fudge supplies will be severely depleted by the end of all this.
Caveat. Scope for nasty accident however.0 -
I am pretty sure that those people who spent their night stuck on the A80 would see the sense in your argument.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does make sense. A red weather zone is an explicit request not to travel and listening to the Police this morning thay are saying do not travel so if you ignore that you could be considered to be acting negligently.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.
Of course it only applies to the red weather zones0 -
Interesting discussion........scope for a new PM and possible Gen Election I thinkFF43 said:
I don't expect a lot of fudge. There will be some on Ireland, but less than before. The EU are being very assertive, but I expect May to take her minute victories where she can. Even the headbangers.don't seem to think there's an alternative that works for them. They would have gone for it by now if there wereGardenwalker said:
Very good summary.stodge said:Morning all
Light snow here in East London this morning but plenty of heat if not light on matters A50 yesterday it would seem.
While the Prime Minister, to "popular acclaim" (well, in parts of North Wales at least), did her usual Britannia (the symbol, not the impressive cruise ship) act and tried to galvanise her political base by standing up to "Johnny Foreigner", she was also caving in on immigration as apparently any EU national who comes during Transition will have the right to stay indefinitely - strange how that's not been mentioned but stridency over Ulster gets all the coverage.
SNIP ***********
Major's comments last evening didn't amount to much more than a frustrated ex-PM putting the boot in to those who made his last years in office purgatory. MPs will get a vote on the A50 Treaty (if there is one) and it remains to be seen if we will seen principle crushed by loyalty or long-held beliefs trampled by cajolery or coercion from the Whips' offices.
More heat than light at present, but we have learned this week
- Because of internal divides in Westminster, the EU are being forced to do the running to define our transition and end state (even though we are the ones exiting).
- May doesn’t have the numbers for a hard-as-fuck Brexit (even if she wanted it, which seems unlikely)
- But she also knows the loon bars (autocorrect, but good neologism) can bring her down if sufficiently incensed.
- She will continue to concede when she thinks she can get away with it, as she did this week on the rights of EU nationals.
The final deal will be whatever the EU can get through May, who in turn needs to get it through both ERG *and* Parliament.
Expect global fudge supplies will be severely depleted by the end of all this.
Caveat. Scope for nasty accident however.0 -
I would wager that 90% of the 4WDs you see on the road have street tyres. So of course the 4-wheel helps but they have no more grip than a Ford Mondeo.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.0 -
As someone who voted LEAVE, I'm well aware this is a negotiating ploy. The EU have come up with something so completely unacceptable to the UK (as they knew it would be) that it prompts us to come up with some alternative suggestions.TGOHF said:
It's nonsense though - 1) it's not the only position 2) of the positions its a ridiculous one and 3) it gives the EU no incentive to agree to a new system (and this is an organisation that hates change) and 4) it smells like one of their duplicitous plots.stodge said:
Back to the Irish Border Question - Barnier's proposal is not the EU position but it's what would or could happen if other solutions put forward by the UK were not possible.
It focuses (as it should) the UK and everyone on the notion of a Customs Union and how operating without a Customs Union might look. Obviously, the EU want us to be in the CU - clearly, we can't if we want a truly internationalist UK post-EU - but if we can't, the EU is at least forcing the issue and is as well aware of the politics of the CU as we all are.0 -
You make a good point but it does seem that driver's could be running the risk of their insurer rejecting a claim, it does not take much for them to try to find a way out of claims paymentsIshmael_Z said:
And what would the use be of a car insurance policy which excluded claims arising from one's own negligence?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does make sense. A red weather zone is an explicit request not to travel and listening to the Police thid morning thay are saying do not travel so if you ignore that you could be considered to be acting negligentlyDavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.0 -
4WD helps with going, but not with stopping!TOPPING said:
I would wager that 90% of the 4WDs you see on the road have street tyres. So of course the 4-wheel helps but they have no more grip than a Ford Mondeo.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.0 -
there are 2 different issues, 1. is it wise to drive in these conditions and 2. would doing so affect one's right to claim on one's insurance, and the answer to both is an emphatic no. There's the danger that people stuck on the A80 hear and believe this sort of misinformation, and freeze to death because they daren't drive home even when the snow plough has been and freed them, and so freeze to death.DavidL said:
I am pretty sure that those people who spent their night stuck on the A80 would see the sense in your argument.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does make sense. A red weather zone is an explicit request not to travel and listening to the Police this morning thay are saying do not travel so if you ignore that you could be considered to be acting negligently.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.
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Very true. Garages around here used to offer a service to switch your car to winter tyres but very few do now because demand is so low. Its another part of the infrastructure designed to deal with bad weather that is falling into desuetude.TOPPING said:
I would wager that 90% of the 4WDs you see on the road have street tyres. So of course the 4-wheel helps but they have no more grip than a Ford Mondeo.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.
My Audi has broad low profile tyres. They're not great in this. Thank goodness for the internet and the ability to work at home.0 -
I wouldn't say that. It might well be wise to bet against the narrative.DavidL said:
What does that leave? A market that we should leave alone?AlastairMeeks said:Mike’s point about the different polling methods is important. You can’t assume either is right. Probably a good idea to ignore the media narrative too if it’s not backed up clearly by polling.
Given that the media narrative indicated that President Clinton was a relatively easy victor I see your point. They don't really seem to have come to terms with both the fact that Trump won and, more specifically, how he won.0 -
Yup. Most of their drivers also have little experience or training in driving in snow and ice. Skid pan training should really be compulsory, as should winter tyres.TOPPING said:
I would wager that 90% of the 4WDs you see on the road have street tyres. So of course the 4-wheel helps but they have no more grip than a Ford Mondeo.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:
Quite impressed by the wind contribution. Certainly in Scotland I would have expected many of the blades to be so iced up they couldn't move. Our Chief Executive instructed staff not to try to come to work today in Edinburgh.Jonathan said:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/OldKingCole said:Just had a Guardian newsflash to say that the National Grid doesn’t, today, have enough gas to meet demand.
'It is thought unlikely that the situation will affect supply to households, but if enough extra gas supplies by pipeline or ship are not forthcoming, it could affect industrial users.'
Coal is nearly maxed out. We need to chuck a couple of lumps of uranium on the fire.
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.
It’s the same here in Dubai when we have rain - loads of accidents caused by people driving too close, cornering too fast and cars with worn out tyres aquaplaning on the very smooth roads - roads that are designed for the summer heat, rather than the few days a year when they get wet.0 -
As the weather is in everyone's thoughts currently, I'm going to say something positive (which will come as a surprise to the Government apologists).
I travelled back from Guildford to East London yesterday evening and while the weather wasn't pleasant, I was able to work on gritted pavements virtually door-to-door and both South Western Railway (who have their detractors and it's not hard to see why) and the Underground were running perfectly well.
I'm sure a number of people chose to work flexibly yesterday and it's encouraging to see people thinking sensibly and not living up to the British stereotype of "carrying on" and ending up spending the night in a car on some motorway or elsewhere.
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The people on the A80 show another problem. Many people are deluded into believing that they were really some Nordic rally driver in a prior life who can cope in conditions mere mortals can't. And then they get stuck behind a jack knifed lorry.Ishmael_Z said:
there are 2 different issues, 1. is it wise to drive in these conditions and 2. would doing so affect one's right to claim on one's insurance, and the answer to both is an emphatic no. There's the danger that people stuck on the A80 hear and believe this sort of misinformation, and freeze to death because they daren't drive home even when the snow plough has been and freed them, and so freeze to death.DavidL said:
I am pretty sure that those people who spent their night stuck on the A80 would see the sense in your argument.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does make sense. A red weather zone is an explicit request not to travel and listening to the Police this morning thay are saying do not travel so if you ignore that you could be considered to be acting negligently.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:Jonathan said:OldKingCole said:
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.
Of course it only applies to the red weather zones
I agree I am not aware of any term in an insurance policy that excludes idiotic behaviour and I don't think such a term would be compatible with the Road Traffic Acts.0 -
Irish nationalists and the Dublin government, with whom many remainers are making common cause, prefer to focus on hazy concepts like the spirit of the accord and loose interpretations of its passages on identity, rather than more concrete provisions on sovereignty.......
In the constitutional clauses that form the core of the document, the signatories acknowledged that “the present wish of a majority of the people in Northern Ireland, freely exercised and legitimate, is to maintain the Union and, accordingly, that Northern Ireland’s status as part of the United Kingdom reflects and relies upon that wish; and that it would be wrong to make any change in the status of Northern Ireland save with the consent of a majority of its people”.
The current threat to that principle comes, not from implementing Brexit, but from the idea that Northern Ireland might stay in the Customs Union or the Single Market while the rest of the UK leaves.
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LOL that is so true. I, for example, am the best driver on the road by a country mile. Challenging road conditions that occur once a decade? I was born to it!DavidL said:
The people on the A80 show another problem. Many people are deluded into believing that they were really some Nordic rally driver in a prior life who can cope in conditions mere mortals can't. And then they get stuck behind a jack knifed lorry.Ishmael_Z said:
there are 2 different issues, 1. is it wise to drive in these conditions and 2. would doing so affect one's right to claim on one's insurance, and the answer to both is an emphatic no. There's the danger that people stuck on the A80 hear and believe this sort of misinformation, and freeze to death because they daren't drive home even when the snow plough has been and freed them, and so freeze to death.DavidL said:
I am pretty sure that those people who spent their night stuck on the A80 would see the sense in your argument.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does make sense. A red weather zone is an explicit request not to travel and listening to the Police this morning thay are saying do not travel so if you ignore that you could be considered to be acting negligently.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:Jonathan said:OldKingCole said:
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.
Of course it only applies to the red weather zones
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I really struggle to see the GOP holding the House. I think they will hold the Senate. But the data, as you and the thread point out, is unreliable.AlastairMeeks said:
I wouldn't say that. It might well be wise to bet against the narrative.DavidL said:
What does that leave? A market that we should leave alone?AlastairMeeks said:Mike’s point about the different polling methods is important. You can’t assume either is right. Probably a good idea to ignore the media narrative too if it’s not backed up clearly by polling.
Given that the media narrative indicated that President Clinton was a relatively easy victor I see your point. They don't really seem to have come to terms with both the fact that Trump won and, more specifically, how he won.
President Trump taking on the NRA would be an interesting move. It just might move the generic vote back a bit and give some cover to some Republicans who want to do something about this madness.0 -
Why? The only way you'd want someone new after is if it's going to be a disaster and you need May to take the blame.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like my promotion but if you have followed my recent postings I only support TM to do Brexit, thereafter someone new is requiredGardenwalker said:
Authorised by Big G, Chairman - Llandudno chapter.Jonathan said:
That was a party political broadcast by the Theresa May fanzine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is a clear co-ordinated attack on Brexit by those who consider themselves superior to the ordinary voter but TM will stand firm as she showed to popular acclaim yesterdayCarlottaVance said:0 -
Possible. Like the second of the 2015 Greek government elections where Tsipras, having called a referendum to reject the EU bailout, agreed to it anyway and then called an election to boost his sagging authority. Which he won.swing_voter said:
Interesting discussion........scope for a new PM and possible Gen Election I thinkFF43 said:
I don't expect a lot of fudge. There will be some on Ireland, but less than before. The EU are being very assertive, but I expect May to take her minute victories where she can. Even the headbangers.don't seem to think there's an alternative that works for them. They would have gone for it by now if there wereGardenwalker said:
Very good summary.stodge said:Morning all
Light snow here in East London this morning but plenty of heat if not light on matters A50 yesterday it would seem.
While the Prime Minister, to "popular acclaim" (well, in parts of North Wales at least), did her usual Britannia (the symbol, not the impressive cruise ship) act and tried to galvanise her political base by standing up to "Johnny Foreigner", she was also caving in on immigration as apparently any EU national who comes during Transition will have the right to stay indefinitely - strange how that's not been mentioned but stridency over Ulster gets all the coverage.
SNIP ***********
Major's comments last evening didn't amount to much more than a frustrated ex-PM putting the boot in to those who made his last years in office purgatory. MPs will get a vote on the A50 Treaty (if there is one) and it remains to be seen if we will seen principle crushed by loyalty or long-held beliefs trampled by cajolery or coercion from the Whips' offices.
More heat than light at present, but we have learned this week
- Because of internal divides in Westminster, the EU are being forced to do the running to define our transition and end state (even though we are the ones exiting).
- May doesn’t have the numbers for a hard-as-fuck Brexit (even if she wanted it, which seems unlikely)
- But she also knows the loon bars (autocorrect, but good neologism) can bring her down if sufficiently incensed.
- She will continue to concede when she thinks she can get away with it, as she did this week on the rights of EU nationals.
The final deal will be whatever the EU can get through May, who in turn needs to get it through both ERG *and* Parliament.
Expect global fudge supplies will be severely depleted by the end of all this.
Caveat. Scope for nasty accident however.0 -
UK not doing too badly - some European countries have shockingly high levels of non-native born unemployment - in Sweden's case that may lie behind a lot of their troubles:
https://twitter.com/alexandreafonso/status/9688726496518266880 -
It doesn't seem that way, it really doesn't. There is far too much of the appeal to authority on this site, but I used to be a solicitor who used to spend all day every day thinking about marine insurance, and I have just now looked at my own car policy, and this is just not an issue.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You make a good point but it does seem that driver's could be running the risk of their insurer rejecting a claim, it does not take much for them to try to find a way out of claims payments
For a robust rebuttal from someone else, "A spokesman for the AA told the Record: "It's total nonsense to say you would not be covered during a red weather warning. "If you were caught up in the red warning on the road, are you supposed to pull over and freeze?
"If you were to do something reckless, like drive at speed on treacherous roads, and that led to an accident that would be taken into account.
"However, to say that people on the road currently in the red warning should somehow pull over and not drive, is silly.
"We urge common sense, no one wants to be stuck in these conditions and it may be that instead of visiting relatives and plan to go home, postponing going home might be more sensible.
"The Scottish government is asking for employers to have sympathy for the plight of employees in terms of getting in and getting home and we would wholeheartedly agree with that."
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/925665/red-weather-warning-car-insurance-invalidated-driving-snow-UK-Scotland0 -
Mondeos have been available with 4WD since 2015.TOPPING said:
I would wager that 90% of the 4WDs you see on the road have street tyres. So of course the 4-wheel helps but they have no more grip than a Ford Mondeo.
My wife has Pirelli Sottozeros on her Panamera and they are terrific on snow and ice. My car hasn't moved under its own power for nearly two years so I am untroubled by the difficulties of winter tyre selection.0 -
Completely agree with the first paragraph.DavidL said:
The people on the A80 show another problem. Many people are deluded into believing that they were really some Nordic rally driver in a prior life who can cope in conditions mere mortals can't. And then they get stuck behind a jack knifed lorry.Ishmael_Z said:
there are 2 different issues, 1. is it wise to drive in these conditions and 2. would doing so affect one's right to claim on one's insurance, and the answer to both is an emphatic no. There's the danger that people stuck on the A80 hear and believe this sort of misinformation, and freeze to death because they daren't drive home even when the snow plough has been and freed them, and so freeze to death.DavidL said:
I am pretty sure that those people who spent their night stuck on the A80 would see the sense in your argument.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does make sense. A red weather zone is an explicit request not to travel and listening to the Police this morning thay are saying do not travel so if you ignore that you could be considered to be acting negligently.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:Jonathan said:OldKingCole said:
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.
Of course it only applies to the red weather zones
I agree I am not aware of any term in an insurance policy that excludes idiotic behaviour and I don't think such a term would be compatible with the Road Traffic Acts.
On the second, have insurance companies not refused claims from their clients who were subsequently prosecuted under the Road Traffic Acts, for dangerous driving or being under the influence? I think they would still meet third party claims even under those circumstances though.0 -
Barnier is freelancing, overstepped his authority, he doesn't have the backing of...
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Don't most drivers rate themselves as 'above average'?TOPPING said:
LOL that is so true. I, for example, am the best driver on the road by a country mile. Challenging road conditions that occur once a decade? I was born to it!DavidL said:
The people on the A80 show another problem. Many people are deluded into believing that they were really some Nordic rally driver in a prior life who can cope in conditions mere mortals can't. And then they get stuck behind a jack knifed lorry.Ishmael_Z said:
there are 2 different issues, 1. is it wise to drive in these conditions and 2. would doing so affect one's right to claim on one's insurance, and the answer to both is an emphatic no. There's the danger that people stuck on the A80 hear and believe this sort of misinformation, and freeze to death because they daren't drive home even when the snow plough has been and freed them, and so freeze to death.DavidL said:
I am pretty sure that those people who spent their night stuck on the A80 would see the sense in your argument.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It does make sense. A red weather zone is an explicit request not to travel and listening to the Police this morning thay are saying do not travel so if you ignore that you could be considered to be acting negligently.DavidL said:
Not sure I believe that but that doesn't mean it is not an idiotic thing to do, certainly without 4 wheel driver and considerable experience. It scares me when on snow and you still see peoples' brake lights coming on to control the speed of the car. Some of them will be automatics and have limited choice but others you need to stay away from.Big_G_NorthWales said:
An interesting conversation on the radio this mornimg suggested that if anyone tries to drive their car in a red weather zone they will negate their insurance. Bet not many have thought of thatDavidL said:Jonathan said:OldKingCole said:
I made a late run to Tescos last night. The roads here were distinctly tricky and there were vehicles stuck all over the place. And we are to the north of the worst affected parts. Its more than 5 years since we had snow like this.
Of course it only applies to the red weather zones0 -
Morning all. Been snowing constantly since our director sent us home today and not much to do tbh ATM (Auditors have finished up)
Bread and milk in but still have to head out to look after the fiancée's two horses (She is 100 miles away due to circumstances lol). Lots of carrots for 20 yr old Ging out on the top.0 -
Remember to take a lump hammer for ice in the troughs.Pulpstar said:Morning all. Been snowing constantly since our director sent us home today and not much to do tbh ATM (Auditors have finished up)
Bread and milk in but still have to head out to look after the fiancée's two horses (She is 100 miles away due to circumstances lol). Lots of carrots for 20 yr old Ging out on the top.0 -
Oh, he has the Boards/boss's/manager's support does he? We know how well that usually plays out.....Scott_P said:Barnier is freelancing, overstepped his authority, he doesn't have the backing of...
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Scorpions for me.Dura_Ace said:
Mondeos have been available with 4WD since 2015.TOPPING said:
I would wager that 90% of the 4WDs you see on the road have street tyres. So of course the 4-wheel helps but they have no more grip than a Ford Mondeo.
My wife has Pirelli Sottozeros on her Panamera and they are terrific on snow and ice. My car hasn't moved under its own power for nearly two years so I am untroubled by the difficulties of winter tyre selection.
There is also the precautionary principle at play. When I used to ride my bike (Bandit) in a suit and puffa jacket, I would take things easy, very few pizza delivery moments, etc. When I was in the full robocop protection kit, I'd ride like a maniac.0 -
Mr. P, anybody supporting judicial imperialism whereby the EU takes regulatory control of Northern Ireland and an internal trade barrier is imposed within the territory of the United Kingdom is against the British interest.
Suppose we demanded the same for Brittany, that it should have regulations set by the UK and have a customs barrier with the rest of France (unless France also agreed to have its customs dictated by us). Does that sound remotely reasonable?
It is a contemptible position for the EU to adopt.0 -
Unlikely, unless May is in a total bind.FF43 said:
Possible. Like the second of the 2015 Greek government elections where Tsipras, having called a referendum to reject the EU bailout, agreed to it anyway and then called an election to boost his sagging authority. Which he won.swing_voter said:
Interesting discussion........scope for a new PM and possible Gen Election I thinkFF43 said:
I don't expect a lot of fudge. There will be some on Ireland, but less than before. The EU are being very assertive, but I expect May to take her minute victories where she can. Even the headbangers.don't seem to think there's an alternative that works for them. They would have gone for it by now if there wereGardenwalker said:
Very good summary.stodge said:Morning all
Light snow here in East London this morning but plenty of heat if not light on matters A50 yesterday it would seem.
While the Prime Minister, to "popular acclaim" (well, in parts of North Wales at least), did her usual Britannia (the symbol, not the impressive cruise ship) act and tried to galvanise her political base by standing up to "Johnny Foreigner", she was also caving in on immigration as apparently any EU national who comes during Transition will have the right to stay indefinitely - strange how that's not been mentioned but stridency over Ulster gets all the coverage.
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Major's comments last evening didn't amount to much more than a frustrated ex-PM putting the boot in to those who made his last years in office purgatory. MPs will get a vote on the A50 Treaty (if there is one) and it remains to be seen if we will seen principle crushed by loyalty or long-held beliefs trampled by cajolery or coercion from the Whips' offices.
More heat than light at present, but we have learned this as she did this week on the rights of EU nationals.
The final deal will be whatever the EU can get through May, who in turn needs to get it through both ERG *and* Parliament.
Expect global fudge supplies will be severely depleted by the end of all this.
Caveat. Scope for nasty accident however.
As you say, there actually isn’t a coherent headbanger plan to leave the EU. There are enough of them (and loon bar supporting media) to cause trouble, but there’s no vision to capture hearts and minds.
The Singapore of the North Atlantic has submerged into the deep, being an altogether flimsy construction anyway.0 -
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The trouble with travel warnings is that they usually say "Don't make non-essential journeys". Then we all have to decide whether or not going to work is an essential or non-essential journey.
Better advice would be "Don't go to work unless peoples safety depends on you being there" or something similar. The paperclips can be counted tomorrow.0 -
Very interesting.CarlottaVance said:UK not doing too badly - some European countries have shockingly high levels of non-native born unemployment - in Sweden's case that may lie behind a lot of their troubles:
https://twitter.com/alexandreafonso/status/968872649651826688
In the UK most people come specifically to work here. In the Scandinavian countries they are much more likely arrive as refugees, so maybe have a very different mind-set - at least initially.0 -
Or to bed in someone who isn't a complete dud at fighting elections....Dura_Ace said:
Why? The only way you'd want someone new after is if it's going to be a disaster and you need May to take the blame.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I like my promotion but if you have followed my recent postings I only support TM to do Brexit, thereafter someone new is requiredGardenwalker said:
Authorised by Big G, Chairman - Llandudno chapter.Jonathan said:
That was a party political broadcast by the Theresa May fanzine.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is a clear co-ordinated attack on Brexit by those who consider themselves superior to the ordinary voter but TM will stand firm as she showed to popular acclaim yesterdayCarlottaVance said:0 -
The weather's not too bad in the Midlands at the moment. 35 mile drive this morning was surprisingly trouble-free despite it being -3 degrees.0
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