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murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Stark_Dawning said:

So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...

McDonnell gets that award

As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....

Not really

Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...

Do not patronise me

I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.

McDonnell owns that title lock, stock and barrel

Rather disappointed in the renaming of DCLG. Cosmetic change, and it means both that Housing won't get the extra attention it needs and local government is deprioritised. However Sajid Javid seems like a decent enough incumbent.

If it was up to me, I'd have a department for devolution covering all tiers of gvt - city deals, local government, Wales NI and Scotland all in one department together for a joined up approach. Then a second for Housing and Communities to lead on Housing, planning and the civil society aspects of DCLG.

Separating planning appeals and local government oversight would help streamline relations as well - it's a major conflict negotiating with Gvt on e.g. housing when the same decision maker is considering large scale controversial planning appeals.

Boris Johnson confirmed in place

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) January 8, 2018

Sad

rpjs said:

It could be called the Department for Administrative Affairs.

DoSAC

Barnesian said:

Boris Johnson confirmed in place

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) January 8, 2018

Sad

+1

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Stark_Dawning said:

So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...

McDonnell gets that award

As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....

Not really

Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...

Do not patronise me

I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.

McDonnell owns that title lock, stock and barrel

Do you work for CCHQ?

Next desk to me....

Hunt ought to be leaving No10 soon. If hasn’t gone out the back way already!

Has anybody actually been reshuffled yet?

In government, as opposed to the Tory party?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

I think you are finding it difficult to realise that to many of us McDonnell is just off the scale of decency. You need to see his comments about Esther McVey and many other objectionable incidents he has been involved in

I'm a Lib Dem and I completely agree with that. The thought of McDonnell holding any kind of power is a very scary one indeed. All parties contain a few really bad people though, of course.

AlastairMeeks said:

This is a surprise:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/950372026337898496

I'd expected the government to see quite an improvement after the December staging post was reached.

Only if people are paying attention - which they’re not - so they’re missing the entire psychodrama that consumes anoraks. I suspect all voters are (generally) interested in is “getting on with it” and “not cocking it up” which so far appears to be largely the case.

malcolmg said:

DavidL said:

At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

It really does typify how useless this bunch of donkeys are. May makes Brown look like a towering genius as PM. Easily the worst PM in history.

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgoen/status/950338599584698368?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

This exercise barely warrants the title of reshuffle at all. She could have just sacked McLoughlin and shifted the the new bods in accordingly. A rotten bloody swizz!

CarlottaVance said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

murali_s said:

Stark_Dawning said:

So DD hangs on too. There's got to be one high-profile sacking surely. If not Boris, Hammond or DD then what about Gove or Fox?

Even though I despise Boris, Fox is the most obnoxious person in politics. To coin a phrase the guy is an an utter c*nt. As someone of Sri Lankan Tamil heritage, he should be no-where near the levers of power...

McDonnell gets that award

As ever, Big_G, you miss the point....

Not really

Yes, you do. Read up on Liam Fox and educate yourself...

Do not patronise me

I am not patronising you - I just want you to educate yourself.

For your information, Liam Fox is an enemy of progress and an enemy of the Sri Lankan Tamil people. While David Cameron, William Hague and many other MPs from all political parties were trying to get a fair and just settlement by putting pressure on the then Sri Lankan Government of alleged war criminal Mahinda Rajapaksa, Liam Fox and a few other obnoxious Tory politicians (e.g. Lord Naseby) were cosying up to the said regime.

So, yes in my opinion and hopefully the opinion of many others, Liam Fox is the most obnoxious person in British politics.

McDonnell owns that title lock, stock and barrel

Do you work for CCHQ?

Next desk to me....

Well one has to admire both your indefatigability to the conservative cause.

It is amazing that at a time of significant national need, the Tories and Labour have conspired to present us with the worst government and opposition in living memory.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

DavidL said:

At what point can I claim that this reshuffle would be much ado about nothing is vindicated? Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

On the face of it I agree but Brendon Lewis and James Cleverly will inject a new sense of purpose, David Lidington is a safe pair of hands, and beefing up DCLG with emphasis on Housing is a good move. Other appointments will no doubt follow and it needs to be judged in the round after tomorrow's junior promotions

I looked up David Lidington quotes. There was 1:

"If the TTIP project fails I think that will send a really dismaying message about Europe's waning importance in world affairs, we should not pretend that that will have anything other than a damaging impact both economically and diplomatically."
https://www.quotes.net/authors/David Lidington

It had zero fans, funnily enough. It doesn't exactly set the pulse beating.

Surely, with all the hype, Theresa never intended it to be this much of a non event. Most likely she planned some big moves, but the cabinet stuck together ('If he goes then I go') and she was left impotent and shunned.

Anazina said:

Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

You would have been anti no matter what TM did unless of course she decided to ignore the democratic vote of the Country and announce she would reverse Brexit

Stark_Dawning said:

Surely, with all the hype, Theresa never intended it to be this much of a non event. Most likely she planned some big moves, but the cabinet stuck together ('If he goes then I go') and she was left impotent and shunned.

Yeah.... it really doesn't make sense to have built it up like this, if this was really all she intended.

Anazina said:

Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.

OldKingCole said:

Hunt to Norn Ireland?

And back out to 100/1

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Hunt to Norn Ireland?

Source maybe

Really! I’m just hoping there’s something dramatic, or even interesting, to come!

OldKingCole said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

Hunt to Norn Ireland?

Source maybe

Really! I’m just hoping there’s something dramatic, or even interesting, to come!

I agree one big headline is needed

Richard_Nabavi said:

Anazina said:

Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.

Hmm. I wonder if there is more to it than meets the eye? Why would No. 10 have ramped it up so much if it this really was the intention? Even they aren't that bad at media management. I sniff a rat!!

O/T Jaguar sales up 20% in a year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42603271

Impressive.

DavidL said:

Its looking desperately dull at the moment.

A bit like Theresa herself?

Richard_Nabavi said:

Anazina said:

Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.

Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

So far...

logical_song said:

OldKingCole said:

A Midwinters Night’s Dream?

We're all going to wake up soon.
Brexit and Trump was just a dream.

David Cameron comes out of the shower.....

SandyRentool said:

Never mind Night of the Long Knives, this is Afternoon of the Short on Substance.

#CallthisaReshuffle?

Day of the Tea Spoons?

Richard_Nabavi said:

TOPPING said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Anazina said:

Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.

Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

So far...

Not really. Most people aren't watching this minute by minute; in fact most normal people have barely noticed it is happening.

It barely is.

SandyRentool said:

Never mind Night of the Long Knives, this is Afternoon of the Short on Substance.

#CallthisaReshuffle?

The Day of the Short Straws.

Richard_Nabavi said:

TOPPING said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Anazina said:

Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.

Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

So far...

Not really. Most people aren't watching this minute by minute; in fact most normal people have barely noticed it is happening.

Front page of several newspapers including the most popular media website on the planet.

dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

BBC now talking about Brokenshires gratitude and commenting on David Liddigton’s knowledge of Tudor history.
Is that it?

https://twitter.com/theobertram/status/950397581569511425

O/T Trouble in another EU government:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/08/belgium-coalition-government-risk-collapse-sudan-migrants-scandal

If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

I'm not sure the Government doing well/badly at EU negotiations polling will substantively recover anytime soon.

If you look at the trend, it dropped over the election campaign, when May lost her majority, and I think it's by and large a proxy for her ratings.

DavidL said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TOPPING said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Anazina said:

Can someone explain to me what the point of this 'reshuffle' was exactly? A couple of complete nobodies appointed to party roles, and entirely cosmetic departmental rebrand, and all of the big offices of state left untouched. A squib of the dampest order – one only the trio of true believers – Lotta, Morty and G-Man – could love.

Clearly the point of it is to give people like you the opportunity to rubbish it, irrespective of what it actually comprised.

So far it's a minor reshuffle, unsurprisingly given the circumstances, but it seems sensible enough. It's not like one of Blair's idiotic games of musical chairs which moved ministers around just at the point where there might be some small risk that they'd be about to master their briefs.

Then someone, be it the govt's PR, or marketing, or communications directors are at fault.

If it is not a Reshuffle fair enough, in which case expectations should have been managed down ("the right team in place but that's not to say we won't be welcoming new blood...") or it should have been all done by midday and they could move on.

As it is, they allowed the build up of expectations, and then have dashed those expectations (of new blood, of a change, of clearing out the Augean stables, of whatever...) with a hugely underwhelming teeny tiny change dragged out over two days.

So far...

Not really. Most people aren't watching this minute by minute; in fact most normal people have barely noticed it is happening.

It barely is.

It's taking a bloody long time.

OldKingCole said:

If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

(Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)

TOPPING said:

If I was an in position minister, I would feel in some way demeaned by this farrago.

It just seems bumbling and unfocused. Why take a whole day to do f**k all?

Because May doesn't have the ability to do f••k all in an hour?

david_herdson said:

OldKingCole said:

If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

(Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)

I hope they’ve given him some of the reception tea and biscuits.

TOPPING said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Apparently there is a pause due to a reception at no 10

which shows a government fit for the future, doesn't it, Big G?

Lot fitter than Corbyn's labour

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TOPPING said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Apparently there is a pause due to a reception at no 10

which shows a government fit for the future, doesn't it, Big G?

Lot fitter than Corbyn's labour

We can only speculate how Jezza's govt would prove useless. Here, meanwhile...

OldKingCole said:

BBC now talking about Brokenshires gratitude and commenting on David Liddigton’s knowledge of Tudor history.
Is that it?

Part of a winning team on University Challenge twice apparently. Certainly a step up from David Lammy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsR4Nx-ELgc

tpfkar said:

SandyRentool said:

david_herdson said:

OldKingCole said:

If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

(Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)

He would have to be lying in a pool of his own bodily fluids for the full effect.

For the full effect, shouldn't he have been told that his appointment had been postponed due to demand, and that he should call round again later?

"Sorry Mr Hunt, all non-essential promotions have been rescheduled."

El_Capitano said:

OldKingCole said:

david_herdson said:

OldKingCole said:

If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

(Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)

I hope they’ve given him some of the reception tea and biscuits.

He'll have to keep popping out to feed the meter for the car parking though.

(OT, but free hospital car parking is a bloody silly policy. In my experience paying for hospital parking isn't the issue. Finding a space is. You can circle the John Radcliffe in Oxford for 15 minutes before finding somewhere to park. Free parking will make this a whole lot worse.)

We have free parking here in Wales and you cannot get parked without going ages before your appointment

Anazina said:

SouthamObserver said:

It is amazing that at a time of significant national need, the Tories and Labour have conspired to present us with the worst government and opposition in living memory.

We appear to have entered an age of reverse politics, whereby talentless extremists prosper while skilled pragmatists founder on the backbenches. One could quite easily select a strong cabinet from those sidelined by May's Brexit-botherers and Labour's PLP rebellion!

You may be surprised but I could agree with you on that but until Brexit is sorted we are where we are

DavidL said:

OldKingCole said:

BBC now talking about Brokenshires gratitude and commenting on David Liddigton’s knowledge of Tudor history.
Is that it?

Part of a winning team on University Challenge twice apparently. Certainly a step up from David Lammy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsR4Nx-ELgc

I've often wondered if Lammy didn't do that on purpose. I can't think what he might have been trying to achieve but surely nobody could be that thick in real life?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TOPPING said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Apparently there is a pause due to a reception at no 10

which shows a government fit for the future, doesn't it, Big G?

Lot fitter than Corbyn's labour

Weak, weak, weak. Your argument essentially boils down to "we are shit, but not as shit as the other lot hypothetically would be, were they in government, which they are not."

Big_G_NorthWales said:

El_Capitano said:

OldKingCole said:

david_herdson said:

OldKingCole said:

If she’s ‘recepting’Hunt’s been kicking his heels a long time. Is Arlene having a go about whoever’s being sent to Belfast?

Ironically, Hunt has now been waiting in a corridor for 3 hours.

(Not my joke - shamelessly stolen from the matt cartoon)

I hope they’ve given him some of the reception tea and biscuits.

He'll have to keep popping out to feed the meter for the car parking though.

(OT, but free hospital car parking is a bloody silly policy. In my experience paying for hospital parking isn't the issue. Finding a space is. You can circle the John Radcliffe in Oxford for 15 minutes before finding somewhere to park. Free parking will make this a whole lot worse.)

We have free parking here in Wales and you cannot get parked without going ages before your appointment

I think I’ve posted before that at one time I worked in a hospital which had free parking and was a long but manageable walk from a commuter railway station, with very limited parking.

Yup, got it in one!