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Absolutely here too.Richard_Nabavi said:
Absolutely.JohnO said:A leadership contest in 2021 between Hunt and McVey is one I could feel intensely comfortable about participating as an activist/member, being happy with either as victor.
(The fact that I'm on both of them at long odds doesn't of course influence me in any way).
Though I would prefer it to be Hunt.0 -
Lewisham's a long way from The Flask.CarlottaVance said:0 -
He went to public school (but not St Paul's like the other oik).IanB2 said:
Yes, I have heard other Tories describe Lewis as an oik, but they certainly need someone with the common touch.Tissue_Price said:Very happy with Brandon Lewis and James Cleverly. The Only Way Is Essex.
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Tories = clueless and incompetent (for the umpteenth time today).Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
Can't these blundering halfwits get anything right?0 -
The defect in that argument is that there is a pool of prospective CON voters - the 65+ group who failed to turnout out at GE17 on anything like the scale pf previous elections. It was the diminished number of oldies for CON as well as the increased turnout by the young that caused the GE17 outcome. Alas JC doesn't appeal to his own generation and continues to get terrible ratings from them. Labour needs an "oldie-friendly" leaderTheJezziah said:
The problem is the switchover age is likely to keep creeping up without something happening to change things, with the Conservatives in government and struggling that doesn't seem likely. Unless there really were masses of old Conservative voters who didn't vote last time but can be brought out this time as well as those who voted Conservative last time to counter the new voters coming in and some of the older ones dying off. They have to win voters just to maintain their current position considering demographic change, let alone make up for any they lose or Labour gain over the next few years.HYUFD said:
Given the median voter is about 55 the Tories could win even if they lost under 50s let alone under 40s if they had a big enough lead amongst over 50s.
No Tory leader has won under 30s since 1983 but the Tories won 3 majorities and most seats twice since then0 -
I have the common touch, I'd have made a fine Party Chairman.IanB2 said:
Yes, I have heard other Tories describe Lewis as an oik, but they certainly need someone with the common touch.Tissue_Price said:Very happy with Brandon Lewis and James Cleverly. The Only Way Is Essex.
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You forget the occasion when Corbyn took three weeks to reshuffle his cabinet, ran out of MPs willing to serve under him, and appointed and then sacked a female MP as a shadow minister without informing her. "By the measure you use, it will be measured to you..."murali_s said:
Just reinforces the fact that the Tories are clueless and incompetent. Is anyone surprised?SandyRentool said:So it has taken most of the day for May to make one appointment - and to make an arse of that. Well done Tezzie.
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The BBC are doing their best to make the Tory party look competent by comparison.marke09 said:Matthew Moore @mattkmoore
NEW: BBC staff told that anyone who has indicated support for Carrie Gracie, or tweeted an opinion about BBC pay, can no longer present any segments on BBC pay.
12:59 PM - 8 Jan 20180 -
I don't much care about shoulders in photos, but it says a lot about the Government that they have done all the party stuff first, and only then the actual departmental changes. Party before country subliminals yet again.Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
Can't these blundering halfwits get anything right?0 -
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Why am I reminded of the Lord Mayor of London's dismissal of the 1666 fire in relation to Trump Tower?0
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Red stilettos don't qualify as the common touch - it's essex white patent all the way.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have the common touch, I'd have made a fine Party Chairman.IanB2 said:
Yes, I have heard other Tories describe Lewis as an oik, but they certainly need someone with the common touch.Tissue_Price said:Very happy with Brandon Lewis and James Cleverly. The Only Way Is Essex.
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I agree with you regarding #Esther4Leader - she should be in front of the cameras, not locked away in a back office.TheScreamingEagles said:
Raab for Northern Ireland Secretary?JohnO said:So far, so good with one result declared. Lewis was high on my must-promote list. Let's hope Anne Milton joins him in Cabinet this afternoon.
Do you think there's any chance she might promote Esther McVey? She's wasted in the Whips office.0 -
Even more Essex at CCHQ and another Brexiteer - albeit Kemi represents posh Saffron Walden! They should get their own reality tv show on ITV2.HYUFD said:Kemi Badenoch new CCHQ Vice Chair for Candidates
https://mobile.twitter.com/carriesymonds/status/950355827327512576
I think Kemi could be a future Tory leader one day - certainly Cabinet material. He maiden speech was excellent - but then I am a leave voter from Essex too!0 -
Yes, it would be a sad end. She was once hailed as the young, bright face of modern Toryism; now Theresa holds her in contempt because of her worthless prattling in Cabinet. Once Greening is gone we can say with conviction that the sun's finally set on the Cameron era.El_Capitano said:I'm most interested to see what happens with Greening. If she's sacked entirely then she's very unlikely to go quietly. May doesn't need another high-profile Remainer foe on the backbenches.
I struggle to see what she's done wrong that merits sacking. Ok, she was hardly effusively pro-grammars. Fine: the country has bigger issues to worry about right now. And May reportedly doesn't like her. That's as may be, but we all have to work with people we don't like.
Replacing a safe pair of hands at Education with someone more likely to do May's bidding, in an age of desperately tight budgets, is very unlikely to generate vote-winning headlines, nor endear many parents to this government.0 -
It does not say what you think/want it to say.tpfkar said:
I don't much care about shoulders in photos, but it says a lot about the Government that they have done all the party stuff first, and only then the actual departmental changes. Party before country subliminals yet again.Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
Can't these blundering halfwits get anything right?0 -
Demographic change would be within margin of error although Labour have generally been slightly ahead in them anyway I thought? MOE again though. To clarify the demographic change would be a fairly slow thing, there aren't that many older voters dying off and young people (who will vote) turning 18 to make a big swing in the 6 plus months we have had since the election. It is a small continual swing they have to do something to work against though as deaths and children becoming adults are naturally shrinking their lead without anybody changing their mind.felix said:
The most recent polls suggest you may be getting ahead of yourself there. Of course they could be wrong and there could be a hidden groundswell for JC just waiting for a GE to unleash their votes. Or many of those who voted Labour last time expecting a big Tory win might be more careful next time. I don't know where you are based or who you generally mix with but.....TheJezziah said:
The problem is the switchover age is likely to keep creeping up without something happening to change things, with the Conservatives in government and struggling that doesn't seem likely. Unless there really were masses of old Conservative voters who didn't vote last time but can be brought out this time as well as those who voted Conservative last time to counter the new voters coming in and some of the older ones dying off. They have to win voters just to maintain their current position considering demographic change, let alone make up for any they lose or Labour gain over the next few years.HYUFD said:
Given the median voter is about 55 the Tories could win even if they lost under 50s let alone under 40s if they had a big enough lead amongst over 50s.
No Tory leader has won under 30s since 1983 but the Tories won 3 majorities and most seats twice since then
I thought the lots of people only voted Labour because they were going to lose myth was busted a while back?0 -
@gabyhinsliff: Not sure, but i think we may end up with more Conservative party vice chairs than Liberal Democrat MPs.0
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As opposed to touching being common, which seemed to have been a problem previously.IanB2 said:
Yes, I have heard other Tories describe Lewis as an oik, but they certainly need someone with the common touch.Tissue_Price said:Very happy with Brandon Lewis and James Cleverly. The Only Way Is Essex.
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oh for heavens sake! what a total "non-comment" on a complete "non-issue"....Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
Can't these blundering halfwits get anything right?
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Actually the BBC don't really have a choice on this. They have to maintain some semblance of impartiality - and that means keeping those who have made public statements on the topic away from reporting on it. It is very difficult when the BBC is at the heart of a major news story - but they just don't have any other option.Richard_Tyndall said:
The BBC are doing their best to make the Tory party look competent by comparison.marke09 said:Matthew Moore @mattkmoore
NEW: BBC staff told that anyone who has indicated support for Carrie Gracie, or tweeted an opinion about BBC pay, can no longer present any segments on BBC pay.
12:59 PM - 8 Jan 20180 -
I think it's the same bloke at both ends and he's done the running-round-the-back thing.Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
Can't these blundering halfwits get anything right?0 -
Before anyone announces that the Tories are bound to lose the next election because of a Cabinet reshuffle cock up, let us remember the occasion when Jeremy Corbyn took three weeks to reshuffle his cabinet, ran out of MPs who were willing to serve under him, and then appointed and sacked as a shadow cabinet minister an MP who was having cancer treatment without informing her either way. And then decided that the country was crying out for Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. When it comes to incompetence there is only one unchallenged master.......
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html0 -
Where is the evidence that loads of Tory oldies abstained? If that happened, why was Tory support with pensioners who DID turn out vastly increased on 2015? Surely this suggests that the pensioner abstainers in 2017 were mostly Labour supporters?MikeSmithson said:
The defect in that argument is that there is a pool of prospective CON voters - the 65+ group who failed to turnout out at GE17 on anything like the scale pf previous elections. It was the diminished number of oldies for CON as well as the increased turnout by the young that caused the GE17 outcome. Alas JC doesn't appeal to his own generation and continues to get terrible ratings from them. Labour needs an "oldie-friendly" leaderTheJezziah said:
The problem is the switchover age is likely to keep creeping up without something happening to change things, with the Conservatives in government and struggling that doesn't seem likely. Unless there really were masses of old Conservative voters who didn't vote last time but can be brought out this time as well as those who voted Conservative last time to counter the new voters coming in and some of the older ones dying off. They have to win voters just to maintain their current position considering demographic change, let alone make up for any they lose or Labour gain over the next few years.HYUFD said:
Given the median voter is about 55 the Tories could win even if they lost under 50s let alone under 40s if they had a big enough lead amongst over 50s.
No Tory leader has won under 30s since 1983 but the Tories won 3 majorities and most seats twice since then0 -
Or could it be part of a longer game, getting McVey to know the Parliamentary party in depth.....JohnO said:
Esther's appointment to the whips office was inexplicable (ie only Mrs May could do it), but the sooner she's back in a senior public role, the better.TheScreamingEagles said:
Raab for Northern Ireland Secretary?JohnO said:So far, so good with one result declared. Lewis was high on my must-promote list. Let's hope Anne Milton joins him in Cabinet this afternoon.
Do you think there's any chance she might promote Esther McVey? She's wasted in the Whips office.0 -
Although when the sun sets, it rises again a few hours later.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, it would be a sad end. She was once hailed as the young, bright face of modern Toryism; now Theresa holds her in contempt because of her worthless prattling in Cabinet. Once Greening is gone we can say with conviction that the sun's finally set on the Cameron era.El_Capitano said:I'm most interested to see what happens with Greening. If she's sacked entirely then she's very unlikely to go quietly. May doesn't need another high-profile Remainer foe on the backbenches.
I struggle to see what she's done wrong that merits sacking. Ok, she was hardly effusively pro-grammars. Fine: the country has bigger issues to worry about right now. And May reportedly doesn't like her. That's as may be, but we all have to work with people we don't like.
Replacing a safe pair of hands at Education with someone more likely to do May's bidding, in an age of desperately tight budgets, is very unlikely to generate vote-winning headlines, nor endear many parents to this government.0 -
Corbyn is leading a rag tag rebellion, the Tories are meant to be in charge of the country. Stop changing the issue, the issue is that the Tories are totally clueless and incompetent - hope you agree with that my friend?stevef said:
You forget the occasion when Corbyn took three weeks to reshuffle his cabinet, ran out of MPs willing to serve under him, and appointed and then sacked a female MP as a shadow minister without informing her. "By the measure you use, it will be measured to you..."murali_s said:
Just reinforces the fact that the Tories are clueless and incompetent. Is anyone surprised?SandyRentool said:So it has taken most of the day for May to make one appointment - and to make an arse of that. Well done Tezzie.
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Is that the Grayling gap ?CarlottaVance said:0 -
May is more concerned with appointing bag-carriers in her own party head office than appointing secretaries of state to the cabinet.
I'm sure that most voters think the NHS is more important than who is responsible for sending a weekly e-mail to Tory candidates.0 -
You got me.Sean_F said:Only teasing.
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Spot on.oxfordsimon said:
Actually the BBC don't really have a choice on this. They have to maintain some semblance of impartiality - and that means keeping those who have made public statements on the topic away from reporting on it. It is very difficult when the BBC is at the heart of a major news story - but they just don't have any other option.Richard_Tyndall said:
The BBC are doing their best to make the Tory party look competent by comparison.marke09 said:Matthew Moore @mattkmoore
NEW: BBC staff told that anyone who has indicated support for Carrie Gracie, or tweeted an opinion about BBC pay, can no longer present any segments on BBC pay.
12:59 PM - 8 Jan 20180 -
I did mention the potential in my post "Unless there really were masses of old Conservative voters who didn't vote last time but can be brought out this time"MikeSmithson said:
The defect in that argument is that there is a pool of prospective CON voters - the 65+ group who failed to turnout out at GE17 on anything like the scale pf previous elections. It was the diminished number of oldies for CON as well as the increased turnout by the young that caused the GE17 outcome. Alas JC doesn't appeal to his own generation and continues to get terrible ratings from them. Labour needs an "oldie-friendly" leaderTheJezziah said:
The problem is the switchover age is likely to keep creeping up without something happening to change things, with the Conservatives in government and struggling that doesn't seem likely. Unless there really were masses of old Conservative voters who didn't vote last time but can be brought out this time as well as those who voted Conservative last time to counter the new voters coming in and some of the older ones dying off. They have to win voters just to maintain their current position considering demographic change, let alone make up for any they lose or Labour gain over the next few years.HYUFD said:
Given the median voter is about 55 the Tories could win even if they lost under 50s let alone under 40s if they had a big enough lead amongst over 50s.
No Tory leader has won under 30s since 1983 but the Tories won 3 majorities and most seats twice since then
Although I wonder how many of the over 65's who didn't vote were Labour voters who couldn't vote for Corbyn rather than potential Conservative voters?
There may be a number of them but I question whether they are even there in enough numbers to counter the demographic change against the Conservatives let alone actually increase their lead.
All of this isn't to say the Tories can't win just that to increase or stand still I feel they need to change voters minds.0 -
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She publicly criticises her employers, quits her job, then walks into another job with the BBC.Richard_Tyndall said:
The BBC are doing their best to make the Tory party look competent by comparison.marke09 said:Matthew Moore @mattkmoore
NEW: BBC staff told that anyone who has indicated support for Carrie Gracie, or tweeted an opinion about BBC pay, can no longer present any segments on BBC pay.
12:59 PM - 8 Jan 2018
Most people would get sacked for attacking their employer in public. She could always see how much Russia today or Al Jazeera would pay her on the open market?
Brave would be resigning and leaving the BBC entirely.0 -
Indeed.basicbridge said:
oh for heavens sake! what a total "non-comment" on a complete "non-issue"....Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
Can't these blundering halfwits get anything right?
Why can't we get back to the good old days of discussing how Jezza ties his tie and what Ed's dead dad said 70 years ago?0 -
As Esther was attending cabinet until her narrow defeat in 2015, I imagine she already knows the MPs quite well. And of course with Philip Davies at her side.....CarlottaVance said:
Or could it be part of a longer game, getting McVey to know the Parliamentary party in depth.....JohnO said:
Esther's appointment to the whips office was inexplicable (ie only Mrs May could do it), but the sooner she's back in a senior public role, the better.TheScreamingEagles said:
Raab for Northern Ireland Secretary?JohnO said:So far, so good with one result declared. Lewis was high on my must-promote list. Let's hope Anne Milton joins him in Cabinet this afternoon.
Do you think there's any chance she might promote Esther McVey? She's wasted in the Whips office.0 -
Most voters won't be aware of the order in which appointments were made. The timings of today will not change votes.SandyRentool said:May is more concerned with appointing bag-carriers in her own party head office than appointing secretaries of state to the cabinet.
I'm sure that most voters think the NHS is more important than who is responsible for sending a weekly e-mail to Tory candidates.0 -
This could all be avoided if Mrs May eats a bacon sandwich in public.Theuniondivvie said:
Indeed.basicbridge said:
oh for heavens sake! what a total "non-comment" on a complete "non-issue"....Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
Can't these blundering halfwits get anything right?
Why can't we get back to the good old days of discussing how Jezza ties his tie and what Ed's dead dad said 70 years ago.0 -
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2017-electionDanny565 said:
Where is the evidence that loads of Tory oldies abstained? If that happened, why was Tory support with pensioners who DID turn out vastly increased on 2015? Surely this suggests that the pensioner abstainers in 2017 were mostly Labour supporters?MikeSmithson said:
The defect in that argument is that there is a pool of prospective CON voters - the 65+ group who failed to turnout out at GE17 on anything like the scale pf previous elections. It was the diminished number of oldies for CON as well as the increased turnout by the young that caused the GE17 outcome. Alas JC doesn't appeal to his own generation and continues to get terrible ratings from them. Labour needs an "oldie-friendly" leaderTheJezziah said:
The problem is the switchover age is likely to keep creeping up without something happening to change things, with the Conservatives in government and struggling that doesn't seem likely. Unless there really were masses of old Conservative voters who didn't vote last time but can be brought out this time as well as those who voted Conservative last time to counter the new voters coming in and some of the older ones dying off. They have to win voters just to maintain their current position considering demographic change, let alone make up for any they lose or Labour gain over the next few years.HYUFD said:
Given the median voter is about 55 the Tories could win even if they lost under 50s let alone under 40s if they had a big enough lead amongst over 50s.
No Tory leader has won under 30s since 1983 but the Tories won 3 majorities and most seats twice since then0 -
I really don't think it counts as 'hilarious' at all.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Rudd in before Hammond is eyebrow-raising.0
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Pretty funny from where I'm sitting and those well known Labour supporting lefties at The Sun agree.oxfordsimon said:
I really don't think it counts as 'hilarious' at all.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
If your name, avatar and posting total is correct, you are new to politicalbetting.Anazina said:Sean_F said:
Pots and kettles.Anazina said:Dadge said:
Stop being such an apologist, Carlotta. You know that incompetence registers with voters.CarlottaVance said:
Carlotta is a one-woman Tory rebuttal bot operating under orders from Central Office.
Guess again. Not a member of any party. Never will be.
Within your grand total of 84 posts, I am yet to see a non-partisan, or non-trolling post from you.
I'm sure there's more to you than that, so will wait to be impressed by the real you.0 -
oxfordsimon said:
Most voters won't be aware of the order in which appointments were made. The timings of today will not change votes.SandyRentool said:May is more concerned with appointing bag-carriers in her own party head office than appointing secretaries of state to the cabinet.
I'm sure that most voters think the NHS is more important than who is responsible for sending a weekly e-mail to Tory candidates.
Indeed. Reshuffle will have no impact. An underfunded NHS, an education system failing our young people, a third world privatised railway system and the fact as the rich get richer, the rest of us get significantly poorer are the key issues. The Tories as clueless as they are have no interest in rectifying any of this - their loyalties will always be to their rich and powerful friends.oxfordsimon said:
Most voters won't be aware of the order in which appointments were made. The timings of today will not change votes.SandyRentool said:May is more concerned with appointing bag-carriers in her own party head office than appointing secretaries of state to the cabinet.
I'm sure that most voters think the NHS is more important than who is responsible for sending a weekly e-mail to Tory candidates.0 -
MikeSmithson said:
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2017-electionDanny565 said:
Where is the evidence that loads of Tory oldies abstained? If that happened, why was Tory support with pensioners who DID turn out vastly increased on 2015? Surely this suggests that the pensioner abstainers in 2017 were mostly Labour supporters?MikeSmithson said:
The defect in that argument is that there is a pool of prospective CON voters - the 65+ group who failed to turnout out at GE17 on anything like the scale pf previous elections. It was the diminished number of oldies for CON as well as the increased turnout by the young that caused the GE17 outcome. Alas JC doesn't appeal to his own generation and continues to get terrible ratings from them. Labour needs an "oldie-friendly" leaderTheJezziah said:
The problem is the switchover age is likely to keep creeping up without something happening to change things, with the Conservatives in government and struggling that doesn't seem likely. Unless there really were masses of old Conservative voters who didn't vote last time but can be brought out this time as well as those who voted Conservative last time to counter the new voters coming in and some of the older ones dying off. They have to win voters just to maintain their current position considering demographic change, let alone make up for any they lose or Labour gain over the next few years.HYUFD said:
Given the median voter is about 55 the Tories could win even if they lost under 50s let alone under 40s if they had a big enough lead amongst over 50s.
No Tory leader has won under 30s since 1983 but the Tories won 3 majorities and most seats twice since then
Considering turnout fell 3% among 65+ and this group voted CON 61 LAB 25 doesn't that make it more likely the abstainers were Labour and other non Tory voters rather than Tories?0 -
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I really want her as Chancellor.JohnO said:
Possible but don't forget he's only been a Minister of State for 6 months (having been dumped by May in 2016).TheScreamingEagles said:
Raab for Northern Ireland Secretary?JohnO said:So far, so good with one result declared. Lewis was high on my must-promote list. Let's hope Anne Milton joins him in Cabinet this afternoon.
Do you think there's any chance she might promote Esther McVey? She's wasted in the Whips office.
Esther's appointment to the whips office was inexplicable (ie only Mrs May could do it), but the sooner she's back in a senior public role, the better.
A leadership contest in 2021 between Hunt and McVey is one I could feel intensely comfortable about participating as an activist/member, being happy with either as victor.
I think her versus John McDonnell at the next election will be pure box office and not for the faint of heart.0 -
Yes, that link shows Tory support among 65+ was up on 2015 (up 14 points, compared to Labour up 3 points). This doesn't to me show that the dropoff in pensioner turnout was caused by Tory voters abstaining - quite the contrary, in fact.MikeSmithson said:
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2017-electionDanny565 said:
Where is the evidence that loads of Tory oldies abstained? If that happened, why was Tory support with pensioners who DID turn out vastly increased on 2015? Surely this suggests that the pensioner abstainers in 2017 were mostly Labour supporters?MikeSmithson said:
The defect in that argument is that there is a pool of prospective CON voters - the 65+ group who failed to turnout out at GE17 on anything like the scale pf previous elections. It was the diminished number of oldies for CON as well as the increased turnout by the young that caused the GE17 outcome. Alas JC doesn't appeal to his own generation and continues to get terrible ratings from them. Labour needs an "oldie-friendly" leaderTheJezziah said:
The problem is the switchover age is likely to keep creeping up without something happening to change things, with the Conservatives in government and struggling that doesn't seem likely. Unless there really were masses of old Conservative voters who didn't vote last time but can be brought out this time as well as those who voted Conservative last time to counter the new voters coming in and some of the older ones dying off. They have to win voters just to maintain their current position considering demographic change, let alone make up for any they lose or Labour gain over the next few years.HYUFD said:
Given the median voter is about 55 the Tories could win even if they lost under 50s let alone under 40s if they had a big enough lead amongst over 50s.
No Tory leader has won under 30s since 1983 but the Tories won 3 majorities and most seats twice since then0 -
Why is the Conservative Party Chairman now described as a piece of furniture by CCHQ? They really are having an off day.
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Well, I hope things are going to liven up this afternoon. The appointment of a couple of party worthies doesn't really cut it. We need some big-name sackings. Only then can Theresa be credited with sufficient vim.0
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My view too. A mistake anyone can make.RoyalBlue said:For those of you who got all excited about a Twitter screw-up... there are no words. It really
doesn’t matter. At all. A sense of perspective wouldn’t go amiss.
Much easier to wait until everything’s been announced!
I mean, OGH once moved the currency with a mistake.0 -
Desperate switch and bait stuff there...stevef said:Before anyone announces that the Tories are bound to lose the next election because of a Cabinet reshuffle cock up, let us remember the occasion when Jeremy Corbyn took three weeks to reshuffle his cabinet, ran out of MPs who were willing to serve under him, and then appointed and sacked as a shadow cabinet minister an MP who was having cancer treatment without informing her either way. And then decided that the country was crying out for Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. When it comes to incompetence there is only one unchallenged master.......
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html
Look in the mirror - the Tories need to be ejected out of power and quickly...0 -
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No, the Invisible Man has been brought in from the cold.Nigelb said:
Is that the Grayling gap ?CarlottaVance said:0 -
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David Lidington and then Amber Rudd at no 100
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Clearly no-one will notice today's small mistake.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
SandyRentool said:
Clearly no-one will notice today's small mistake.TheScreamingEagles said:
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So London's top paper, and The Sun both focusing on this mistake.SandyRentool said:
Clearly no-one will notice today's small mistake.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Nobody will notice/only Osborne fans will focus on it.
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Absolutely pathetic. Only obsessives and partisans care about who’s tweeted what.TheScreamingEagles said:
What a small man your hero is.0 -
Indeed. Two for starters...Stark_Dawning said:Well, I hope things are going to liven up this afternoon. The appointment of a couple of party worthies doesn't really cut it. We need some big-name sackings. Only then can Theresa be credited with sufficient vim.
Johnson should be sacked for sheer incompetence. He is a massive security risk for citizens of this country. Also he is a disengious liar who only cares about his pathetic self.
Davies should be sacked for being clueless on how to negotiate with our EU friends. Even though he comes across a congenial man unlike the c*nt Johnson, he is totally out of his depth.
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If May is rejigging the very top jobs in the cabinet, then fair play, she has been able to keep this news under wraps.
Alternatively Rudd has been invited round for an Avon meeting.0 -
Not going to happen for another 4 yearsmurali_s said:
Desperate switch and bait stuff there...stevef said:Before anyone announces that the Tories are bound to lose the next election because of a Cabinet reshuffle cock up, let us remember the occasion when Jeremy Corbyn took three weeks to reshuffle his cabinet, ran out of MPs who were willing to serve under him, and then appointed and sacked as a shadow cabinet minister an MP who was having cancer treatment without informing her either way. And then decided that the country was crying out for Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. When it comes to incompetence there is only one unchallenged master.......
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html
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Boring administrative stuff got out of the way before turning to the important things?tpfkar said:
I don't much care about shoulders in photos, but it says a lot about the Government that they have done all the party stuff first, and only then the actual departmental changes. Party before country subliminals yet again.Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
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So far, I am wondering why the PM thought this was worth all the trailing and build up?0
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Lidington not appointed First Secretary of State
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Ha ha – yes!Ishmael_Z said:
I think it's the same bloke at both ends and he's done the running-round-the-back thing.Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
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I suspect Hammond is getting the sack.0
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FFS, why can’t he post this? Some of you Tory loons are losing it...RoyalBlue said:
Absolutely pathetic. Only obsessives and partisans care about who’s tweeted what.TheScreamingEagles said:
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May giving her a chance to get to know all the MPs.SandyRentool said:
I agree with you regarding #Esther4Leader - she should be in front of the cameras, not locked away in a back office.TheScreamingEagles said:
Raab for Northern Ireland Secretary?JohnO said:So far, so good with one result declared. Lewis was high on my must-promote list. Let's hope Anne Milton joins him in Cabinet this afternoon.
Do you think there's any chance she might promote Esther McVey? She's wasted in the Whips office.
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Why? For getting more votes and more seats than your lot?murali_s said:
Desperate switch and bait stuff there...stevef said:Before anyone announces that the Tories are bound to lose the next election because of a Cabinet reshuffle cock up, let us remember the occasion when Jeremy Corbyn took three weeks to reshuffle his cabinet, ran out of MPs who were willing to serve under him, and then appointed and sacked as a shadow cabinet minister an MP who was having cancer treatment without informing her either way. And then decided that the country was crying out for Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. When it comes to incompetence there is only one unchallenged master.......
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html
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Greening is one of the best education secretaries ever – not only is she liberal, personable and caring, she has resisted the temptation to meddle, and has done precisely nothing in the policy field since her arrival. Teachers think she is great for that very reason. Hyperactive education secretaries of Gove's ilk are to be studiously avoided.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, it would be a sad end. She was once hailed as the young, bright face of modern Toryism; now Theresa holds her in contempt because of her worthless prattling in Cabinet. Once Greening is gone we can say with conviction that the sun's finally set on the Cameron era.El_Capitano said:I'm most interested to see what happens with Greening. If she's sacked entirely then she's very unlikely to go quietly. May doesn't need another high-profile Remainer foe on the backbenches.
I struggle to see what she's done wrong that merits sacking. Ok, she was hardly effusively pro-grammars. Fine: the country has bigger issues to worry about right now. And May reportedly doesn't like her. That's as may be, but we all have to work with people we don't like.
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So we have Jones the Vice Chair and Jones the Vice Chair Too0
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My job is not to impress you, Mr Bond.Casino_Royale said:
If your name, avatar and posting total is correct, you are new to politicalbetting.Anazina said:Sean_F said:
Pots and kettles.Anazina said:Dadge said:
Stop being such an apologist, Carlotta. You know that incompetence registers with voters.CarlottaVance said:
Carlotta is a one-woman Tory rebuttal bot operating under orders from Central Office.
Guess again. Not a member of any party. Never will be.
Within your grand total of 84 posts, I am yet to see a non-partisan, or non-trolling post from you.
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Give it timeIanB2 said:So far, I am wondering why the PM thought this was worth all the trailing and build up?
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We're losing a very thoughtful Justice Secretary0
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Normal PB anorak commentary on the Grayling and the reshuffle.
Just to reiterate: THE GREAT BRITISH PUBLIC DOESNT CARE.0 -
obsessives, partisans, and advertisers, presumably, for whom the higher the distribution of ES the better.RoyalBlue said:
Absolutely pathetic. Only obsessives and partisans care about who’s tweeted what.TheScreamingEagles said:
What a small man your hero is.0 -
What a God-awful photo!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That’s what you hope. It will be quicker than that. Let alone many Tory MP fruitcakes, you have to rely on the 10 lunatics from the DUP.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not going to happen for another 4 yearsmurali_s said:
Desperate switch and bait stuff there...stevef said:Before anyone announces that the Tories are bound to lose the next election because of a Cabinet reshuffle cock up, let us remember the occasion when Jeremy Corbyn took three weeks to reshuffle his cabinet, ran out of MPs who were willing to serve under him, and then appointed and sacked as a shadow cabinet minister an MP who was having cancer treatment without informing her either way. And then decided that the country was crying out for Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. When it comes to incompetence there is only one unchallenged master.......
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html
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Don't Panic.MarqueeMark said:So we have Jones the Vice Chair and Jones the Vice Chair Too
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@JBeattieMirror: Theresa May has appointed Maria Caulfield, who opposed legislation to decriminalise abortion, as the Tory vice chair for women0
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So a vacancy at Justice - perhaps Dom Raab will be promoted to SoS but I think it unlikely.0
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For a very negative review of the Michael Wolff book, the New Yorker pulls no punches:
https://twitter.com/mashagessen/status/950060946768257025
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What I don't understand is why she is saying that she doesn't want more money. What then is the point of all this hoo ha? If she is underpaid then she bloody well ought to get more money. Agreeing to stay underpaid and turning down a pay increase is simply prolonging the problem.brendan16 said:
She publicly criticises her employers, quits her job, then walks into another job with the BBC.Richard_Tyndall said:
The BBC are doing their best to make the Tory party look competent by comparison.marke09 said:Matthew Moore @mattkmoore
NEW: BBC staff told that anyone who has indicated support for Carrie Gracie, or tweeted an opinion about BBC pay, can no longer present any segments on BBC pay.
12:59 PM - 8 Jan 2018
Most people would get sacked for attacking their employer in public. She could always see how much Russia today or Al Jazeera would pay her on the open market?
Brave would be resigning and leaving the BBC entirely.0 -
Let's hope so.Charles said:
Boring administrative stuff got out of the way before turning to the important things?tpfkar said:
I don't much care about shoulders in photos, but it says a lot about the Government that they have done all the party stuff first, and only then the actual departmental changes. Party before country subliminals yet again.Anazina said:
A very poorly composed, unprofessional looking photograph! Gaps between shoulders is a complete no-no when taking group portraits. Cleverly looks isolated, for example.CarlottaVance said:
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David Lidington confirmed as the new Cabinet Office Minister but there will be no First Secretary
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Meanwhile May just has to give a speech at her own party conference....MarqueeMark said:
Why? For getting more votes and more seats than your lot?murali_s said:
Desperate switch and bait stuff there...stevef said:Before anyone announces that the Tories are bound to lose the next election because of a Cabinet reshuffle cock up, let us remember the occasion when Jeremy Corbyn took three weeks to reshuffle his cabinet, ran out of MPs who were willing to serve under him, and then appointed and sacked as a shadow cabinet minister an MP who was having cancer treatment without informing her either way. And then decided that the country was crying out for Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. When it comes to incompetence there is only one unchallenged master.......
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html
Look in the mirror - the Tories need to be ejected out of power and quickly...
I realise that all the Glastonbury Guff about being PM by Christmas made your man look a pillock, but we aren't moving anytime soon, just to make him look less so....
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He can. My fire is targeted at Osborne, who is continuing to demonstrate the emotional maturity of a spoilt child.murali_s said:
FFS, why can’t he post this? Some of you Tory loons are losing it...RoyalBlue said:
Absolutely pathetic. Only obsessives and partisans care about who’s tweeted what.TheScreamingEagles said:
What a small man your hero is.
Gove was a giant by comparison when he was sacked. Then again, he cares about things greater than himself.0 -
Thanks awfully for caring enough to SHOUT that at us.basicbridge said:Normal PB anorak commentary on the Grayling and the reshuffle.
Just to reiterate: THE GREAT BRITISH PUBLIC DOESNT CARE.0 -
In 4 years, Corbyn will look very stale. He won't fight that election.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not going to happen for another 4 yearsmurali_s said:
Desperate switch and bait stuff there...stevef said:Before anyone announces that the Tories are bound to lose the next election because of a Cabinet reshuffle cock up, let us remember the occasion when Jeremy Corbyn took three weeks to reshuffle his cabinet, ran out of MPs who were willing to serve under him, and then appointed and sacked as a shadow cabinet minister an MP who was having cancer treatment without informing her either way. And then decided that the country was crying out for Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. When it comes to incompetence there is only one unchallenged master.......
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-shadow-cabinet-thangam-debbonaire-cancer-a7141341.html
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A few people think he's headed to Northern Ireland.JohnO said:So a vacancy at Justice - perhaps Dom Raab will be promoted to SoS but I think it unlikely.
But I reckon give the importance of the role at the moment she'll give Norn Iron to a friend.
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Well put.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, it would be a sad end. She was once hailed as the young, bright face of modern Toryism; now Theresa holds her in contempt because of her worthless prattling in Cabinet. Once Greening is gone we can say with conviction that the sun's finally set on the Cameron era.El_Capitano said:I'm most interested to see what happens with Greening. If she's sacked entirely then she's very unlikely to go quietly. May doesn't need another high-profile Remainer foe on the backbenches.
I struggle to see what she's done wrong that merits sacking. Ok, she was hardly effusively pro-grammars. Fine: the country has bigger issues to worry about right now. And May reportedly doesn't like her. That's as may be, but we all have to work with people we don't like.
Replacing a safe pair of hands at Education with someone more likely to do May's bidding, in an age of desperately tight budgets, is very unlikely to generate vote-winning headlines, nor endear many parents to this government.
"Worthless prattling" in any meeting is as much a reflection on the chairman as it is on the prattler, of course.0
