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More over-excitable chatter from PB.
The public couldn't give a toss about Green and this will change nothing....
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Charles said:Peter_the_Punter said:Charles said:
Shit, Charles, I don't want an apolgy, ffs. If we can't have a knockabout without the need for somebody to apologise it's a sad state of affairs. This is not a Parliamentary Committee you know!Peter_the_Punter said:
because i misremembered your post - conflating you with the guardian.TonyE said:
My post last nite was very brief. I referred to Green as a liar. That was all. Didn't elaborate at all. You said he wasn't. Now you are fictionalising my account.Peter_the_Punter said:
I agree with @TonyE !TonyE said:
So he did lie. (Charles, please note.)Peter_the_Punter said:
He resigned specifically because he lied about being notified that the porn was found, and that he was not aware that it had been found. His solicitor was notified twice that it had been found at the time.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m not defending the police.Charles said:
Sitting on the evidence for a decade before striking when Grern was weaken. Not a good fact pattern for public interest defenceTheScreamingEagles said:
Public interest defence.Morris_Dancer said:Good morninginformation
You could argue the methods here aren’t as bad than the methods that saw the expenses saga.
I’m just pointing out the reality.
Iason?
Unusual.
And that is all.
Wonder why?
You are saying something different
Why?
At the time I thought he had omitted the fact he had been told - hadn't appreciated he'd specifically denied it
You seem weirdly fixated on something completely unimportant, but if it really matters to you I'm sorry.
For what (little) it's worth I generally enjoy reading your posts and was surprised at your quick defence of what I thought was an untenable position. Maybe it was too quick. He plainly lied and whilst it might be noble to defend your mates, your cred goes if you do it against all the evidence.
I should say he's no loss and should be dropped without remorse. I expect he will be, and in the end he will matter little. Longer term, what's going on with the Plod is more important. They may not have lied, but you and I sure as hell didn't ought to be terrifically comfortable with what they did do.
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Yes, I think this is the correct interpretation of these events.AlastairMeeks said:This case has striking similarities to the Stephen Byers affair. A lie, not particularly important but quite deliberate, told in relation to an essentially minor matter. Theresa May's handling of the matter compares very favourably with Tony Blair's. She has taken a difficult but correct decision. Once a minister's reputation for integrity has been compromised, whatever the surrounding circumstances, there must be consequences. Her government will benefit from her decision.
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BBC seem very excited by the word 'plausible' in the report about Kate Maltby's story.
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@Charles (Sorry, Vanilla made nonsense of my attempt to follow on....)
Shit, Charles, I don't want an apolgy, ffs. If we can't have a knockabout without the need for somebody to apologise it's a sad state of affairs. This is not a Parliamentary Committee you know!
For what (little) it's worth I generally enjoy reading your posts and was surprised at your quick defence of what I thought was an untenable position. Maybe it was too quick. He plainly lied and whilst it might be noble to defend your mates, your cred goes if you do it against all the evidence.
I should say he's no loss and should be dropped without remorse. I expect he will be, and in the end he will matter little. Longer term, what's going on with the Plod is more important. They may not have lied, but you and I sure as hell didn't ought to be terrifically comfortable with what they did do.
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A constant drip of stories like those mentioned will eventually have that effect on juries, they’ll certainly be more willing to question whether the accounts of policemen are accurate and believable. Not good for justice when that change happens, of course the majority of coppers are straight and want to see justice served in the correct manner.edmundintokyo said:
Well, the terrifying thing about this is seeing how they act with cabinet ministers who could potentially get back at them and, in the Plebgate case, also CCTV, think what they must be like when dealing with poor and/or uneducated people with little or no hope of defending themselves.Winstanley said:
The police can leak false details to the press to discredit killed victims (de Menezes was running away! That Muslim was shot by his own brother and was a pedo anyway!) all they want, but when middle-aged Tory porn addicts get targeted PB for some reason takes it personally...
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.0 -
we need to strengthen ties with EVERY member state, as opposed to the EU as an institutionCarlottaVance said:That's the Germans surrounded.....
The Prime Minister will travel to Warsaw today for an annual summit designed to strengthen the relationship between the UK and Poland as Britain prepares to leave the EU.
The UK-Poland bilateral summit will bring together both Prime Ministers along with a number of senior Cabinet ministers, including the Chancellor, Foreign Secretary, Defence Secretary, Home Secretary and Business Secretary.
As an integral part of the summit, the Prime Minister is expected to announce a new joint UK-Poland Treaty on Defence and Security Co-operation. The only other European Union country we have such a treaty with is France.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-announces-landmark-new-package-of-defence-and-security-cooperation-with-poland0 -
Does it mean that Green is an evil Tory pervert?JonnyJimmy said:BBC seem very excited by the word 'plausible' in the report about Kate Maltby's story.
Do they know what it means?0 -
Citation neededSandpit said:the majority of coppers are straight and want to see justice served in the correct manner.
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Mr. Pong, disturbing news about Uganda. Cheers for posting it.0
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Exit poll due at 7pm - full result at 9pm
http://catalannews.com/politics/item/voting-underway-in-catalonia0 -
An apology.
Last weekend, I tipped Green not to be next minister out. Sorry if anyone lost money on this.
In mitigation, if the silly sod had been honest about knowing that there was porn on his computer - however it got there - he'd probably still be in post. But he's not and it's often the cover-up that gets you. That being so, the possibility that Green might have been economical with the truth in his explanations should have been a factor worth taking into account. Was he value at 1/3 knowing then what we did? Hard to say. It's a good rule of thumb that the favourite in this market is usually significantly under-priced (I remember Vince Cable once being 1/7 to be next to go, which would have been a loser), though Green was clearly an exception.0 -
Let's get this clear.
The Prime Minister who assured the nation that there would be no early general election, and then called an early general election, sacks her Deputy PM for lying.
'Oh we make the standards and we make the rules
And if you don't abide by them you must be a fool
We have the power to control the whole land
You never must question our motives or plans'0 -
I thought it was a good tip and 1/3 was too short on the basis of the information we possessed at the time. No one can always be right.david_herdson said:An apology.
Last weekend, I tipped Green not to be next minister out. Sorry if anyone lost money on this.
In mitigation, if the silly sod had been honest about knowing that there was porn on his computer - however it got there - he'd probably still be in post. But he's not and it's often the cover-up that gets you. That being so, the possibility that Green might have been economical with the truth in his explanations should have been a factor worth taking into account. Was he value at 1/3 knowing then what we did? Hard to say. It's a good rule of thumb that the favourite in this market is usually significantly under-priced (I remember Vince Cable once being 1/7 to be next to go, which would have been a loser), though Green was clearly an exception.0 -
I think Damian Green has some basis for feeling he has been treated harshly, not just by the police, but also by Theresa May. Although Green has no comeback on the precise point you make, the unimportant lie was in the context of a policeman acting unethically and possibly illegally.AlastairMeeks said:This case has striking similarities to the Stephen Byers affair. A lie, not particularly important but quite deliberate, told in relation to an essentially minor matter. Theresa May's handling of the matter compares very favourably with Tony Blair's. She has taken a difficult but correct decision. Once a minister's reputation for integrity has been compromised, whatever the surrounding circumstances, there must be consequences. Her government will benefit from her decision.
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The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.0
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Tezzie is going mob-handed in case any of them need to resign before the end of the meeting.CarlottaVance said:That's the Germans surrounded.....
The Prime Minister will travel to Warsaw today for an annual summit designed to strengthen the relationship between the UK and Poland as Britain prepares to leave the EU.
The UK-Poland bilateral summit will bring together both Prime Ministers along with a number of senior Cabinet ministers, including the Chancellor, Foreign Secretary, Defence Secretary, Home Secretary and Business Secretary.
As an integral part of the summit, the Prime Minister is expected to announce a new joint UK-Poland Treaty on Defence and Security Co-operation. The only other European Union country we have such a treaty with is France.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-announces-landmark-new-package-of-defence-and-security-cooperation-with-poland0 -
Given that the police played fast and loose with procedures, that has impinge on the level of integrity one should expect of them in general.Peter_the_Punter said:
Been on a few juries, Edmund. Not one thought the police were lying and in each case the possibility was discussed and discounted, correctly in my opinion. Doesn't mean they never do. Each case should be judged on its merits, on the evidence and using common sense.edmundintokyo said:
Well, the terrifying thing about this is seeing how they act with cabinet ministers who could potentially get back at them and, in the Plebgate case, also CCTV, think what they must be like when dealing with poor and/or uneducated people with little or no hope of defending themselves.Winstanley said:
The police can leak false details to the press to discredit killed victims (de Menezes was running away! That Muslim was shot by his own brother and was a pedo anyway!) all they want, but when middle-aged Tory porn addicts get targeted PB for some reason takes it personally...
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.
They seem to me to have behaved badly in this case, but there is no reason to think they lied.
Green behaved badly, and lied (whatever Charles may say!)0 -
Don't like Damian Green much, but it's so obviously a smear campaign by some dodgy coppers.
Leaking perfectly legal information years after an investigation and after any evidence to the contrary is long gone.
And did you notice it went from "extreme porn" to "porn" and eventually to "porn thumbnails". The last of which used to get downloaded all the time by viruses and malware in crappy web browsers without the user knowing.0 -
I'd have thought that it's worth punters having a target price for laying Jeremy Hunt. There are far too many preening politicians who fancy themselves in the top job for him not to come under friendly fire fairly soon if the Hunt bandwagon starts rolling too fast.Stark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
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Maybe we need a market on who will be the LAST original minister to leave the cabinet, not the next one. Theresa May might outlast them all.0
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I suppose he was sacked because it was taking too long for him to type his resignation letter one-handed?0
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On the whole I think the public can distinguish between the sort of cops they see and meet day to day and those likely to be raiding Parliamentary offices.david_herdson said:
Given that the police played fast and loose with procedures, that has impinge on the level of integrity one should expect of them in general.Peter_the_Punter said:
Been on a few juries, Edmund. Not one thought the police were lying and in each case the possibility was discussed and discounted, correctly in my opinion. Doesn't mean they never do. Each case should be judged on its merits, on the evidence and using common sense.edmundintokyo said:
Well, the terrifying thing about this is seeing how they act with cabinet ministers who could potentially get back at them and, in the Plebgate case, also CCTV, think what they must be like when dealing with poor and/or uneducated people with little or no hope of defending themselves.Winstanley said:
The police can leak false details to the press to discredit killed victims (de Menezes was running away! That Muslim was shot by his own brother and was a pedo anyway!) all they want, but when middle-aged Tory porn addicts get targeted PB for some reason takes it personally...
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.
They seem to me to have behaved badly in this case, but there is no reason to think they lied.
Green behaved badly, and lied (whatever Charles may say!)0 -
6/1 I will zero him on a green book, 3/1 I'll go deep redAlastairMeeks said:
I'd have thought that it's worth punters having a target price for laying Jeremy Hunt. There are far too many preening politicians who fancy themselves in the top job for him not to come under friendly fire fairly soon if the Hunt bandwagon starts rolling too fast.Stark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
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No apology needed, it was a good call on available evidence, even with the benefit of hindsight.david_herdson said:An apology.
Last weekend, I tipped Green not to be next minister out. Sorry if anyone lost money on this.
In mitigation, if the silly sod had been honest about knowing that there was porn on his computer - however it got there - he'd probably still be in post. But he's not and it's often the cover-up that gets you. That being so, the possibility that Green might have been economical with the truth in his explanations should have been a factor worth taking into account. Was he value at 1/3 knowing then what we did? Hard to say. It's a good rule of thumb that the favourite in this market is usually significantly under-priced (I remember Vince Cable once being 1/7 to be next to go, which would have been a loser), though Green was clearly an exception.0 -
We will now discover if Damian Green is a true friend of Theresa May or not.0
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This would be the Poland that is slipping into outright authoritarian, non-democratic government?SandyRentool said:
Tezzie is going mob-handed in case any of them need to resign before the end of the meeting.CarlottaVance said:That's the Germans surrounded.....
The Prime Minister will travel to Warsaw today for an annual summit designed to strengthen the relationship between the UK and Poland as Britain prepares to leave the EU.
The UK-Poland bilateral summit will bring together both Prime Ministers along with a number of senior Cabinet ministers, including the Chancellor, Foreign Secretary, Defence Secretary, Home Secretary and Business Secretary.
As an integral part of the summit, the Prime Minister is expected to announce a new joint UK-Poland Treaty on Defence and Security Co-operation. The only other European Union country we have such a treaty with is France.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-announces-landmark-new-package-of-defence-and-security-cooperation-with-poland0 -
Mr. Herdson, obviously tips that don't come off aren't great but we all get them wrong and an apology is not required. Everyone makes their own judgements, after all.0
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These are marvellous days for us Huntsters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
6/1 I will zero him on a green book, 3/1 I'll go deep redAlastairMeeks said:
I'd have thought that it's worth punters having a target price for laying Jeremy Hunt. There are far too many preening politicians who fancy themselves in the top job for him not to come under friendly fire fairly soon if the Hunt bandwagon starts rolling too fast.Stark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
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PMs/Presidents at odds with law enforcement:
- Trump
- Netanyahu
- Rajoy
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The black spot of praise from Johnny McT is not invariably thought of as good news.rottenborough said:Some cheer for fellow Hunt punters:
https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/943777116373602304
https://tinyurl.com/ycer2hdz
McTernan won 81% of the votes in the 'Who'll be the WORST at predicting politics in 2017?' poll at the bottom of that piece.
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He must realise she had no choice - once he was in breach of minister's code?David_Evershed said:We will now discover if Damian Green is a true friend of Theresa May or not.
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"I have no ambitions for high office but if called upon to serve my party and my country then I will of course do what is needed." might be what Hunt will say.AlastairMeeks said:
I'd have thought that it's worth punters having a target price for laying Jeremy Hunt. There are far too many preening politicians who fancy themselves in the top job for him not to come under friendly fire fairly soon if the Hunt bandwagon starts rolling too fast.Stark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
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Green did rather well out of May winning. A bit like Hammond he seems to have got up to near the top without doing much at all.basicbridge said:More over-excitable chatter from PB.
The public couldn't give a toss about Green and this will change nothing....
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Which kind do they have doing security in Downing Street?Peter_the_Punter said:
On the whole I think the public can distinguish between the sort of cops they see and meet day to day and those likely to be raiding Parliamentary offices.david_herdson said:
Given that the police played fast and loose with procedures, that has impinge on the level of integrity one should expect of them in general.Peter_the_Punter said:
Been on a few juries, Edmund. Not one thought the police were lying and in each case the possibility was discussed and discounted, correctly in my opinion. Doesn't mean they never do. Each case should be judged on its merits, on the evidence and using common sense.edmundintokyo said:
Well, the terrifying thing about this is seeing how they act with cabinet ministers who could potentially get back at them and, in the Plebgate case, also CCTV, think what they must be like when dealing with poor and/or uneducated people with little or no hope of defending themselves.Winstanley said:
The police can leak false details to the press to discredit killed victims (de Menezes was running away! That Muslim was shot by his own brother and was a pedo anyway!) all they want, but when middle-aged Tory porn addicts get targeted PB for some reason takes it personally...
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.
They seem to me to have behaved badly in this case, but there is no reason to think they lied.
Green behaved badly, and lied (whatever Charles may say!)0 -
Peter_the_Punter said:Charles said:Peter_the_Punter said:
I wasn't defending him - and think May was right to sack him. It's important people know why he was sacked - and what he wasn't sacked for. The ex-police have behaved appallinglyCharles said:
Shit, Charles, I don't want an apolgy, ffs. If we can't have a knockabout without the need for somebody to apologise it's a sad state of affairs. This is not a Parliamentary Committee you know!Peter_the_Punter said:
because i misremembered your post - conflating you with the guardian.TonyE said:
My post last nite was very brief. I referred to Green as a liar. That was all. Didn't elaborate at all. You said he wasn't. Now you are fictionalising my account.Peter_the_Punter said:
I agree with @TonyE !TonyE said:
So he did lie. (Charles, please note.)Peter_the_Punter said:
He resigned specifically because he lied about being notified that the porn was found, and that he was not aware that it had been found. His solicitor was notified twice that it had been found at the time.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’m not defending the police.Charles said:
Sitting on the evidence for a decade before striking when Grern was weaken. Not a good fact pattern for public interest defenceTheScreamingEagles said:
Public interest defence.Morris_Dancer said:Good morninginformation
You could argue the methods here aren’t as bad than the methods that saw the expenses saga.
I’m just pointing out the reality.
Iason?
Unusual.
And that is all.
Wonder why?
You are saying something different
Why?
At the time I thought he had omitted the fact he had been told - hadn't appreciated he'd specifically denied it
You seem weirdly fixated on something completely unimportant, but if it really matters to you I'm sorry.
For what (little) it's worth I generally enjoy reading your posts and was surprised at your quick defence of what I thought was an untenable position. Maybe it was too quick. He plainly lied and whilst it might be noble to defend your mates, your cred goes if you do it against all the evidence.
I should say he's no loss and should be dropped without remorse. I expect he will be, and in the end he will matter little. Longer term, what's going on with the Plod is more important. They may not have lied, but you and I sure as hell didn't ought to be terrifically comfortable with what they did do.
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“.... the kind of cops they see and meet day to day ...”Peter_the_Punter said:
On the whole I think the public can distinguish between the sort of cops they see and meet day to day and those likely to be raiding Parliamentary offices.david_herdson said:
Given that the police played fast and loose with procedures, that has impinge on the level of integrity one should expect of them in general.Peter_the_Punter said:
Been on a few juries, Edmund. Not one thought the police were lying and in each case the possibility was discussed and discounted, correctly in my opinion. Doesn't mean they never do. Each case should be judged on its merits, on the evidence and using common sense.edmundintokyo said:
Well, the terrifying thing about this is seeing how they act with cabinet ministers who could potentially get back at them and, in the Plebgate case, also CCTV, think what they must be like when dealing with poor and/or uneducated people with little or no hope of defending themselves.Winstanley said:
The police can leak false details to the press to discredit killed victims (de Menezes was running away! That Muslim was shot by his own brother and was a pedo anyway!) all they want, but when middle-aged Tory porn addicts get targeted PB for some reason takes it personally...
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.
They seem to me to have behaved badly in this case, but there is no reason to think they lied.
Green behaved badly, and lied (whatever Charles may say!)
Have you walked out of an Ealing comedy from the 1930s?
The nearest police station to the medium-seized town in Wales where I live is over 50 miles away.
There is plenty of low-level crime, but the police don’t bother to come out.
I don’t see a policeman from one year to the next.
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The results seem to come out very quickly. Have they been decided in advance?calum said:Exit poll due at 7pm - full result at 9pm
http://catalannews.com/politics/item/voting-underway-in-catalonia0 -
But he wont cause trouble for Mrs May because he is an old friend.
Damien Green is a faceless nonentity. He will fade away onto the backbenches. The voting public doesnt really care. Only the chattering classes will still be talking about this next week.
Nor does it weaken the government. The Tories will still be doing well in the polls (and for ANY government to be in the 40s and only a few points behind the Opposition is very unusual) because of Jeremy Corbyn, and in the long run it may benefit the government since it gets rid of another tired old face and allows new blood to enter the cabinet.
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It's fakeCarlottaVance said:Please tell me this is fake......
https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta/status/943636800618270721
(I have no idea whether it is or not, but you asked someone to tell it was and I like to be helpful)0 -
I should clarify, as I was woolly in the earlier comment. I don't mean that the police in general can't be trusted based on the actions of a few individuals. I was trying to say that for these specific officers, the fact that they were willing to break some procedures - and, quite possibly, laws - has to be relevant as to whether they can be trusted to tell the truth on all matters.Peter_the_Punter said:
On the whole I think the public can distinguish between the sort of cops they see and meet day to day and those likely to be raiding Parliamentary offices.david_herdson said:
Given that the police played fast and loose with procedures, that has impinge on the level of integrity one should expect of them in general.Peter_the_Punter said:
Been on a few juries, Edmund. Not one thought the police were lying and in each case the possibility was discussed and discounted, correctly in my opinion. Doesn't mean they never do. Each case should be judged on its merits, on the evidence and using common sense.edmundintokyo said:
Well, the terrifying thing about this is seeing how they act with cabinet ministers who could potentially get back at them and, in the Plebgate case, also CCTV, think what they must be like when dealing with poor and/or uneducated people with little or no hope of defending themselves.Winstanley said:
The police can leak false details to the press to discredit killed victims (de Menezes was running away! That Muslim was shot by his own brother and was a pedo anyway!) all they want, but when middle-aged Tory porn addicts get targeted PB for some reason takes it personally...
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.
They seem to me to have behaved badly in this case, but there is no reason to think they lied.
Green behaved badly, and lied (whatever Charles may say!)0 -
What pity. I’d like a Geek passport.Charles said:
It's fakeCarlottaVance said:Please tell me this is fake......
https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta/status/943636800618270721
(I have no idea whether it is or not, but you asked someone to tell it was and I like to be helpful)0 -
Old news. apparently it was sent by Manchester City Council, not the Home Office.CarlottaVance said:Please tell me this is fake......
https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta/status/943636800618270721
https://twitter.com/GreekComedian/status/7934874563058688010 -
Public trust is very important and I am not sure the Police value it as much as they should.Sandpit said:
A constant drip of stories like those mentioned will eventually have that effect on juries, they’ll certainly be more willing to question whether the accounts of policemen are accurate and believable. Not good for justice when that change happens, of course the majority of coppers are straight and want to see justice served in the correct manner.edmundintokyo said:
Well, the terrifying thing about this is seeing how they act with cabinet ministers who could potentially get back at them and, in the Plebgate case, also CCTV, think what they must be like when dealing with poor and/or uneducated people with little or no hope of defending themselves.Winstanley said:
The police can leak false details to the press to discredit killed victims (de Menezes was running away! That Muslim was shot by his own brother and was a pedo anyway!) all they want, but when middle-aged Tory porn addicts get targeted PB for some reason takes it personally...
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.
I am extremely law abiding and have had very limited exposure to the police. One of my few contacts followed a burglary in my house where I had a camera stolen. The police found a camera of the same model in a raid on a suspected burglar and called me in to identify the camera so they could link the suspect to a theft. It's curious how powerful recognition is because instantly I knew that wasn't my camera. I was put under quite a lot of pressure to say it was. I would get a camera and a thief would get the punishment he deserved. From the policeman's point of view, he was doing his job of putting bad ones away and I wasn't being helpful.0 -
That's very kind of you to say, and to Alastair and others too. Still feel a bit bad about it coming off the rails so quickly though.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, obviously tips that don't come off aren't great but we all get them wrong and an apology is not required. Everyone makes their own judgements, after all.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/embarrassing-typo-council-form-calls-9190719CarlottaVance said:Please tell me this is fake......
https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta/status/943636800618270721
There is no way the author of that question has English as a first language, so we should actually be praising Man City Council for its inclusiveness.0 -
I thought that was a prerequisite for posting on PB?YBarddCwsc said:
What pity. I’d like a Geek passport.Charles said:
It's fakeCarlottaVance said:Please tell me this is fake......
https://twitter.com/DanKaszeta/status/943636800618270721
(I have no idea whether it is or not, but you asked someone to tell it was and I like to be helpful)0 -
Yes, once the enquiry found him guilty of a breach of the code he shouldn’t have needed to be asked for his resignation.rottenborough said:
He must realise she had no choice - once he was in breach of minister's code?David_Evershed said:We will now discover if Damian Green is a true friend of Theresa May or not.
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If it was an unimportant matter, why did he lie about it? It was stupid, at the very least.FF43 said:
I think Damian Green has some basis for feeling he has been treated harshly, not just by the police, but also by Theresa May. Although Green has no comeback on the precise point you make, the unimportant lie was in the context of a policeman acting unethically and possibly illegally.AlastairMeeks said:This case has striking similarities to the Stephen Byers affair. A lie, not particularly important but quite deliberate, told in relation to an essentially minor matter. Theresa May's handling of the matter compares very favourably with Tony Blair's. She has taken a difficult but correct decision. Once a minister's reputation for integrity has been compromised, whatever the surrounding circumstances, there must be consequences. Her government will benefit from her decision.
If someone lies about something unimportant, how can one trust them not to lie about something important?
Of course Green had to go. Silly man.
But the police’s behaviour - both in failing to destroy evidence they had been ordered by a court to do, in taking a police note book from police control, in revealing confidential information, other than as required by law, and in making unsubstantiated assertions about a person’s behaviour in the context of something which was not a criminal offence - is quite outrageous and an abuse of their power.
It is a pity that this point is being lost in the newspaper coverage. If the police can be as sloppy and as careless of their legal obligations in such a case, little wonder that they are incapable of complying with their legal obligations when a man faces a rape trial.0 -
I should think this particular bunch ought to be regarded as highly suspect, David!david_herdson said:
I should clarify, as I was woolly in the earlier comment. I don't mean that the police in general can't be trusted based on the actions of a few individuals. I was trying to say that for these specific officers, the fact that they were willing to break some procedures - and, quite possibly, laws - has to be relevant as to whether they can be trusted to tell the truth on all matters.Peter_the_Punter said:
On the whole I think the public can distinguish between the sort of cops they see and meet day to day and those likely to be raiding Parliamentary offices.david_herdson said:
Given that the police played fast and loose with procedures, that has impinge on the level of integrity one should expect of them in general.Peter_the_Punter said:
Been on a few juries, Edmund. Not one thought the police were lying and in each case the possibility was discussed and discounted, correctly in my opinion. Doesn't mean they never do. Each case should be judged on its merits, on the evidence and using common sense.edmundintokyo said:
Well, the terrifying thing about this is seeing how they act with cabinet ministers who could potentially get back at them and, in the Plebgate case, also CCTV, think what they must be like when dealing with poor and/or uneducated people with little or no hope of defending themselves.Winstanley said:
The police can leak false details to the press to discredit killed victims (de Menezes was running away! That Muslim was shot by his own brother and was a pedo anyway!) all they want, but when middle-aged Tory porn addicts get targeted PB for some reason takes it personally...
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.
They seem to me to have behaved badly in this case, but there is no reason to think they lied.
Green behaved badly, and lied (whatever Charles may say!)0 -
They counts at the polling stations.David_Evershed said:
The results seem to come out very quickly. Have they been decided in advance?calum said:Exit poll due at 7pm - full result at 9pm
http://catalannews.com/politics/item/voting-underway-in-catalonia
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He evidently didn't realise it - the exchange of letters makes it clear that he didn't think he should have been asked to go.rottenborough said:
He must realise she had no choice - once he was in breach of minister's code?David_Evershed said:We will now discover if Damian Green is a true friend of Theresa May or not.
It's always difficult if people are long-standing friends and then one is promoted to be the other's boss - they often aren't quite sure how far they can take disagreements. Where one is caught lying it must be especially awkward. But I think he'd be best advised to lie low for a bit and then take up some worthy cause, rather than lash out at May at the first opportunity.0 -
Mr. Herdson, ha, well, if you'd followed my 2017 tips you'd see it more as enlightened self-interest on my part
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Then come to London, Dear Boy. Enter via the M4 at 90 mph. You will very quickly see a policeman.YBarddCwsc said:
“.... the kind of cops they see and meet day to day ...”Peter_the_Punter said:
On the whole I think the public can distinguish between the sort of cops they see and meet day to day and those likely to be raiding Parliamentary offices.david_herdson said:
Given that the police played fast and loose with procedures, that has impinge on the level of integrity one should expect of them in general.Peter_the_Punter said:
Been on a few juries, Edmund. Not one thought the police were lying and in each case the possibility was discussed and discounted, correctly in my opinion. Doesn't mean they never do. Each case should be judged on its merits, on the evidence and using common sense.edmundintokyo said:
Well, the terrifying thing about this is seeing how they act with cabinet ministers who could potentially get back at them and, in the Plebgate case, also CCTV, think what they must be like when dealing with poor and/or uneducated people with little or no hope of defending themselves.Winstanley said:
The police can leak false details to the press to discredit killed victims (de Menezes was running away! That Muslim was shot by his own brother and was a pedo anyway!) all they want, but when middle-aged Tory porn addicts get targeted PB for some reason takes it personally...
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.
They seem to me to have behaved badly in this case, but there is no reason to think they lied.
Green behaved badly, and lied (whatever Charles may say!)
Have you walked out of an Ealing comedy from the 1930s?
The nearest police station to the medium-seized town in Wales where I live is over 50 miles away.
There is plenty of low-level crime, but the police don’t bother to come out.
I don’t see a policeman from one year to the next.
Ealing comedies were about 1948-1957. Similar vintage to me.0 -
Normally you'd expect ERC to walk this, but Puigdemont has the recognition and the status of (former) president, so he will get a lot of votes that would normally have gone to ERC. Ciutadans has a decent chance of coming through the middle as a result.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It's the seats part that's the issue.calum said:Potentially a bit of value in the Betfair Catalonian market - most recent polling points to the Cs having a good chance of getting the most seats. JxCat also seem to be staging a late surge - results due at 10pm.
ERC 2/5
Cs 7/4
JxCat 8/1
There are four very unequal seats, with the Barcelona seat carrying a majority, but is even then underweighted in terms of population. I think that's what's contributing to some v different views.
I have Cs at about 2.4, only £20 though
The thing to look out for is turnout in the dormitory towns around Barcelona where you'd expect the Unionist vote to be strongest. If voters do flock to the polls there it will be very significant.
What is key today is not who gets how many seats, but what overall percentage the UDI parties get. If it is over 50%, it is a game-changer. Anything less and it is ongoing stand-off, assuming they do not lose their overall majority of seats.
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If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.0 -
It seems there will be electronic voting in Catalonia - which of course is open to manipulation by Russian or other hackers.David_Evershed said:
The results seem to come out very quickly. Have they been decided in advance?calum said:Exit poll due at 7pm - full result at 9pm
http://catalannews.com/politics/item/voting-underway-in-catalonia
News at the time of the October Catalan referendum was:
"On Saturday a Catalan government spokesman said at least four police officers had entered the centre in Barcelona which controls the regional government’s telecommunications and IT and were expected to stay there for two days.
This followed an order by Catalonia’s High Court on Friday for police to prevent electronic voting taking place. The court also instructed Google to delete an application it said was being used to spread information on the vote. "
Could the Spanish poloce again be present in the IT centre when electronic votes are being "counted" ?
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Doesn’t she trust any of them to remain at home? Isn’t there a saying keep your friends close and your enemies closer?SandyRentool said:
Tezzie is going mob-handed in case any of them need to resign before the end of the meeting.CarlottaVance said:That's the Germans surrounded.....
The Prime Minister will travel to Warsaw today for an annual summit designed to strengthen the relationship between the UK and Poland as Britain prepares to leave the EU.
The UK-Poland bilateral summit will bring together both Prime Ministers along with a number of senior Cabinet ministers, including the Chancellor, Foreign Secretary, Defence Secretary, Home Secretary and Business Secretary.
As an integral part of the summit, the Prime Minister is expected to announce a new joint UK-Poland Treaty on Defence and Security Co-operation. The only other European Union country we have such a treaty with is France.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-announces-landmark-new-package-of-defence-and-security-cooperation-with-poland0 -
It’s the economy, stupid?
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/9437724196045168650 -
Police malfeasance might be a good cause.....NickPalmer said:
But I think he'd be best advised to lie low for a bit and then take up some worthy cause, rather than lash out at May at the first opportunity.rottenborough said:
He must realise she had no choice - once he was in breach of minister's code?David_Evershed said:We will now discover if Damian Green is a true friend of Theresa May or not.
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Mr. Evershed, I'll never understand the infatuation some people have with electronic voting. We have a simple, robust system that works very well (outside of Tower Hamlets). Why bugger it up with something so vulnerable to outside manipulation?0
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Given Hunt was 8th in the last Conservative Home Tory members leadership poll, behind Mogg, Gove, Boris, Davis, Raab, Rudd and Stewart, he has a long way to go to be even in the top tier to succeed May, let alone be favouriteStark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
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Survation polling since the election indicates that May does as well as Boris and Davis against Corbyn and better than Hammond and Ruddstodge said:
May survives for three reasons - one, there is no single opponent who can unify a significant portion of the Party against her. There are a number of potential successors each of whom has his or her own power base within the Parliamentary Party (which is all that counts until you are one of the last two) but none of whom has a decisive advantage or knows they can strike and win.rottenborough said:
Second, the A50 negotiations. If the outcome is not deemed to be electorally popular, irrespective of whether it is in fact a good or bad deal for the country, May can carry the can and her successors can start with a fairly clean slate.
Third, May is not a loser, yet. Rather, no one else would be significantly better. Thatcher fell in 1990 because polls showed first Heseltine and then Major doing much better against Labour. Dewy-eyed Thatcherites tend to forget this - had the Conservatives gone into a 1991 election led by Thatcher they would have lost because a lot of the country were sick and tired of her by then. May's problems will only begin if the polls show a number of Conservative MPs losing their seats and jobs whereas said jobs would be safe with Boris or Gove or Hunt or whoever as leader.0 -
East West just as much as North South. It's the divide in England that few talk about, but which really matters politically and economically.williamglenn said:It’s the economy, stupid?
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/943772419604516865
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Yes, unimportant indeed, Cyclefree. Just a thought though. It has been regularly stated that the porn was legal, but the law changed about eight weeks after the event and a lot of pretty toxic stuff was still legal at the time and certainly isn't now. This is pure guesswork, but it may be that those who knew exactly what was on the puter were in a position to make Green's position untenable.Cyclefree said:
If it was an unimportant matter, why did he lie about it? It was stupid, at the very least.FF43 said:
I think Damian Green has some basis for feeling he has been treated harshly, not just by the police, but also by Theresa May. Although Green has no comeback on the precise point you make, the unimportant lie was in the context of a policeman acting unethically and possibly illegally.AlastairMeeks said:This case has striking similarities to the Stephen Byers affair. A lie, not particularly important but quite deliberate, told in relation to an essentially minor matter. Theresa May's handling of the matter compares very favourably with Tony Blair's. She has taken a difficult but correct decision. Once a minister's reputation for integrity has been compromised, whatever the surrounding circumstances, there must be consequences. Her government will benefit from her decision.
If someone lies about something unimportant, how can one trust them not to lie about something important?
Of course Green had to go. Silly man.
But the police’s behaviour - both in failing to destroy evidence they had been ordered by a court to do, in taking a police note book from police control, in revealing confidential information, other than as required by law, and in making unsubstantiated assertions about a person’s behaviour in the context of something which was not a criminal offence - is quite outrageous and an abuse of their power.
It is a pity that this point is being lost in the newspaper coverage. If the police can be as sloppy and as careless of their legal obligations in such a case, little wonder that they are incapable of complying with their legal obligations when a man faces a rape trial.
On your substantive point, agree wholeheartedly. The police need to wotchit, and we need to watch them carefully now to make sure they wotchit.0 -
How many people worked in Greens office ?SandyRentool said:If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.0 -
Wonder how much Danegeld we had to cough up?TheScreamingEagles said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/943790864094162944
Good news for Boris.0 -
I'll believe it when she's on the plane. But it can only be a good sign.TheScreamingEagles said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/943790864094162944
Good news for Boris.0 -
Why has Merseyside got such a relatively high output growth?SouthamObserver said:
East West just as much as North South. It's the divide in England that few talk about, but which really matters politically and economically.williamglenn said:It’s the economy, stupid?
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/9437724196045168650 -
Massive investment on a low base. Basically, it's just a lot less shit than it was.rottenborough said:
Why has Merseyside got such a relatively high output growth?SouthamObserver said:
East West just as much as North South. It's the divide in England that few talk about, but which really matters politically and economically.williamglenn said:It’s the economy, stupid?
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Conhome polls mean absolutely diddly squat outside of an actual contest.HYUFD said:
Given Hunt was 8th in the last Conservative Home Tory members leadership poll, behind Mogg, Gove, Boris, Davis, Raab, Rudd and Stewart, he has a long way to go to be even in the top tier to succeed May, let alone be favouriteStark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
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Talking of the police, I inadvertently discovered a foolproof way of getting them to come really quickly, when I rang them to say that I thought I had found an unexploded bomb on the edge of a field near our house. They arrived in minutes. They were surprisingly polite when the smooth rounded metal which had been uncovered by rain turned out to be part of an old pig-trough.0
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They show who Tory members are likely to favour and given it is members who make the final decision between the final 2 chosen by MPs that is importantPhilip_Thompson said:
Conhome polls mean absolutely diddly squat outside of an actual contest.HYUFD said:
Given Hunt was 8th in the last Conservative Home Tory members leadership poll, behind Mogg, Gove, Boris, Davis, Raab, Rudd and Stewart, he has a long way to go to be even in the top tier to succeed May, let alone be favouriteStark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
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Must be hard to be Green. Decades in parliament. Reached the top of Government. Yet achieved nothing of note apart from notoriety at the end. You must ask what was the point of all that.0
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and he is forgetting that the MPs get to pick the two that the members choose from. The order of preference of a long list of candidates amongst members - even if ConHome were representative, which it clearly isn't (just go read the comments sections!) - is pretty much irrelevant as to who the MPs might elect.Philip_Thompson said:
Conhome polls mean absolutely diddly squat outside of an actual contest.HYUFD said:
Given Hunt was 8th in the last Conservative Home Tory members leadership poll, behind Mogg, Gove, Boris, Davis, Raab, Rudd and Stewart, he has a long way to go to be even in the top tier to succeed May, let alone be favouriteStark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
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Agree. Boris must have had a fairly good hunch about the chance of success when he finally got off his fat butt. I expect we've coughed up the money we owe them for that cancelled defence deal.Carolus_Rex said:
I'll believe it when she's on the plane. But it can only be a good sign.TheScreamingEagles said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/943790864094162944
Good news for Boris.0 -
Everyone operates their office computer for personal use from time to time - even if only to view the BBC news site or political betting of course.SandyRentool said:If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.
Unless the porn was illegal why should/would anyone be bothered?0 -
Indeed. But what chance of the Tories coming to the aid of their new supporters?SouthamObserver said:
East West just as much as North South. It's the divide in England that few talk about, but which really matters politically and economically.williamglenn said:It’s the economy, stupid?
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/9437724196045168650 -
Because it's porn and not reading the news.David_Evershed said:
Everyone operates their office computer for personal use from time to time - even if only to view the BBC news site or political betting of course.SandyRentool said:If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.
Unless the porn was illegal why should/would anyone be bothered?0 -
Lock Boris up in a cupboard with no means of outside communication until she lands in the UK.Carolus_Rex said:
I'll believe it when she's on the plane. But it can only be a good sign.TheScreamingEagles said:https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/943790864094162944
Good news for Boris.
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Again, the question is "What was the warrant issued for"? Would you like your own computer to be subject to a fishing expedition?Jonathan said:
Because it's porn and not reading the news.David_Evershed said:
Everyone operates their office computer for personal use from time to time - even if only to view the BBC news site or political betting of course.SandyRentool said:If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.
Unless the porn was illegal why should/would anyone be bothered?0 -
Con Home got the 2005 Tory leadership contest ( the last contest which went to the membership) spot on.IanB2 said:
and he is forgetting that the MPs get to pick the two that the members choose from. The order of preference of a long list of candidates amongst members - even if ConHome were representative, which it clearly isn't (just go read the comments sections!) - is pretty much irrelevant as to who the MPs might elect.Philip_Thompson said:
Conhome polls mean absolutely diddly squat outside of an actual contest.HYUFD said:
Given Hunt was 8th in the last Conservative Home Tory members leadership poll, behind Mogg, Gove, Boris, Davis, Raab, Rudd and Stewart, he has a long way to go to be even in the top tier to succeed May, let alone be favouriteStark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
Given the final 2 are highly likely to come from those 8 the members polling cannot be ignored0 -
Good to see. Hunt’s doing a very good job in the most difficult of departments.rottenborough said:Some cheer for fellow Hunt punters:
https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/943777116373602304
The above comment is completely unrelated to him being my most profitable next PM.0 -
Because most organisations have an internet usage policy that you sign , when you start working for them.This includes sites which you are not allowed to view , whilst at work..Most people working in the public sector would be suspended awaiting an investigation, if they had personally logged on and accessed porn .David_Evershed said:
Everyone operates their office computer for personal use from time to time - even if only to view the BBC news site or political betting of course.SandyRentool said:If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.
Unless the porn was illegal why should/would anyone be bothered?0 -
Will Hunt becoming PM be one of PB's biggest ever payout days? Seems a few of us have taken the tip on this one.Sandpit said:
Good to see. Hunt’s doing a very good job in the most difficult of departments.rottenborough said:Some cheer for fellow Hunt punters:
https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/943777116373602304
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Didn’t someone on here bet against Hunt at 50/1 if he makes the final 2?rottenborough said:
Will Hunt becoming PM be one of PB's biggest ever payout days? Seems a few of us have taken the tip on this one.Sandpit said:
Good to see. Hunt’s doing a very good job in the most difficult of departments.rottenborough said:Some cheer for fellow Hunt punters:
https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/943777116373602304
The above comment is completely unrelated to him being my most profitable next PM.
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He lied about whether he had ever been told by the police on his computer. Why would he do that? Because if he was officially told he would have had to officially investigate how it got there and he obviously didn't want to do that. Its difficult not to draw a certain inference from that.
Its dishonest but it seems a pretty minor thing to end a career. Its not hard to see why someone would have wanted to keep something like this as quiet as possible. It's not, after all, illegal. I can't help feeling that if the other allegation of inappropriate conduct was anything less than "plausible" he might have survived this. Mrs May has known him a long time. She will have her own views about how "plausible" that allegation may be and what the risk is of it being a one off.
I suppose this is what you get for thinking you are Frank Underwood and Zoe Barnes. My guess is that he will go fairly quietly and ideally be found some form of sinecure fairly soon.0 -
Do they? That can't have been put to the test since 2005, and even if it was tested then, the site and its readership will have changed significantly in the intervening years.HYUFD said:
They show who Tory members are likely to favour and given it is members who make the final decision between the final 2 chosen by MPs that is importantPhilip_Thompson said:
Conhome polls mean absolutely diddly squat outside of an actual contest.HYUFD said:
Given Hunt was 8th in the last Conservative Home Tory members leadership poll, behind Mogg, Gove, Boris, Davis, Raab, Rudd and Stewart, he has a long way to go to be even in the top tier to succeed May, let alone be favouriteStark_Dawning said:The plaudits are coming in thick and fast for Jezza Hunt after his interview today. I think he will soon become the Tories' new golden boy. Where does this leave the other leadership hopefuls, now put in the shade by Hunt's mastery? They need to to reclaim the agenda. DD should threaten to resign (again); Boris has to write another article slagging off Theresa's approach to Brexit.
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Most organisations sack people for being drunk at work. Parliament is different.Yorkcity said:
Because most organisations have an internet usage policy that you sign , when you start working for them.This includes sites which you are not allowed to view , whilst at work..Most people working in the public sector would be suspended awaiting an investigation, if they had personally logged on and accessed porn .David_Evershed said:
Everyone operates their office computer for personal use from time to time - even if only to view the BBC news site or political betting of course.SandyRentool said:If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.
Unless the porn was illegal why should/would anyone be bothered?0 -
I only bet in a Boris/Mogg v Hunt final two the membership would back the former, that was the only circumstance that bet would applyrkrkrk said:
Didn’t someone on here bet against Hunt at 50/1 if he makes the final 2?rottenborough said:
Will Hunt becoming PM be one of PB's biggest ever payout days? Seems a few of us have taken the tip on this one.Sandpit said:
Good to see. Hunt’s doing a very good job in the most difficult of departments.rottenborough said:Some cheer for fellow Hunt punters:
https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/943777116373602304
The above comment is completely unrelated to him being my most profitable next PM.
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And most such policies allow limited reasonable private use - for example doing some online shopping or banking (with a 'b') during work breaks.Yorkcity said:
Because most organisations have an internet usage policy that you sign , when you start working for them.This includes sites which you are not allowed to view , whilst at work..Most people working in the public sector would be suspended awaiting an investigation, if they had personally logged on and accessed porn .David_Evershed said:
Everyone operates their office computer for personal use from time to time - even if only to view the BBC news site or political betting of course.SandyRentool said:If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.
Unless the porn was illegal why should/would anyone be bothered?0 -
Sorry, I hadn't seen this when adding my tuppence worth but we are in agreement.SandyRentool said:If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.0 -
For starters, you are putting your entire company's IT security at risk. Instant sacking.David_Evershed said:
Everyone operates their office computer for personal use from time to time - even if only to view the BBC news site or political betting of course.SandyRentool said:If a manager in most organisations was told by the police that there was porn on one of the office computers they would want to try to find out who was responsible. Unless they already knew - because it was them.
Green was told, and then seemingly did not try to find out who was responsible. And then tried to cover up the fact he had been told.
Draw your own conclusions.
Unless the porn was illegal why should/would anyone be bothered?0 -
Actually no. AIR your bet was effectively whether Hunt or Boris/Mogg would become leader, and you lose if Hunt does, whoever else is in the final two. This was clarified on the day you made the deal. Just my recollection.HYUFD said:
I only bet in a Boris/Mogg v Hunt final two the membership would back the former, that was the only circumstance that bet would applyrkrkrk said:
Didn’t someone on here bet against Hunt at 50/1 if he makes the final 2?rottenborough said:
Will Hunt becoming PM be one of PB's biggest ever payout days? Seems a few of us have taken the tip on this one.Sandpit said:
Good to see. Hunt’s doing a very good job in the most difficult of departments.rottenborough said:Some cheer for fellow Hunt punters:
https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/943777116373602304
The above comment is completely unrelated to him being my most profitable next PM.
That will be a very bad day for him/her...0
