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A sacked, anti-authoritarian Remainer with all the dirt on No10 on the backbenches. What could possibly go wrong?
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Are tickets to Quick v Green selling fast?
Pissed off friend told the other friend’s girlfriend all the things her beau got up to at university.
Messy.
BTW has it been revealed why he was contacted by the police about the issue in 2013?
Who’d have thought Sir Michael Fallon and Damian Green would have resigned over sexual scandals before Boris Johnson?
https://twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/943751565017526272
Of course Mr Green may have problems with Bob Quick, who may have problems with the law...
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/943595454771679233
Just check out his comments when he announced there would be no charges brought against Green.
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/943754606793973761
Absolutely shockingly bad report of this on ITV News last night. Not a single word on the very dubious circumstances in which this information, kept by police officers a decade or so after the investigation (to which this information was not relevant), was revealed.
Green has nobody to blame but himself.
You could argue the methods here aren’t as bad than the methods that saw the expenses saga.
(Note the lesson of the Mitchell affair.)
Green didn't go over what the police said, but over his stupidly worded response to it.
You really think it's acceptable for retired policemen to keep hold of information obtained during but not relevant to investigations from a decade ago, and then for said information to be released to the press?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/apr/16/dpp-keir-starmer-statement-damian-green
Green had to go for repeatedly lying - but that in no way justifies the police behaviour in this case.
But that’s how the public interest defence works.
I'm slightly surprised that the LibDems aren't making more play with this (though there is the general uselessness of Vince Cable to take into account).
All sincerely held views without a thought of self advancement I'm sure.
Obviously I didn't mine or buy any, and I wondered if he was on that carribean island by now...
Top bloke.
At an individual level anyone who chooses this career must know it's a brutal business and when the time comes should perhaps just suck it up with their best indignant face.
At a political level, the victory of perception over process is a drain on talent and a drag on good governance and I do wish Westminster could be more like the world for mid grade corporate employees. Also the 'All equally bad' thinking means that governments can rehabilitate talents who were genuinely dishonest rather than those who might have been unfairly treated - Laws and Mandelson spring to mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Gox
I do wonder what happened about that black cab driver who did likewise outside a museum in London. If he was just driving dangerously he should've been charged, but I've heard nothing since the Met said it was nothing to do with terrorism.
Mr. Eagles, if it was in the public interest why wasn't anything said a decade ago? Why did a former senior policeman (forget the name, sadly) appear to say he thought both the two ex-rozzers who had commented were in the wrong?
Green's political career is over. Even with a change of PM.
He can either (I) be vindictive and trouble-making and lash out at his life-long friend, or (2) he can get pissed over Christmas, go on holiday, keep quiet, maintain his friendship with the PM and probably end up with (a) influence and (b) a seat in the House of Lords
I bet he chooses option 2.
(Why did Green lie? It's not obvious that extra sentence added anything to his defence)
Cf Sir Geoffrey Howe and Margaret Thatcher and John Major and Norman Lamont.
It's impossible to predict this ridiculous market but I wonder if my financial advisor may have called the top:
https://twitter.com/edmundedgar/status/943002002249752577
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/04/met-chief-cressida-dick-condemns-former-officers-over-damian-green-claims
Hunt says, he lied. Seems to me he lied. Seems to me that's why he has been resigned.
You telling us different?
I’m just pointing out the reality.
I generally put Bob Quick in the same circle of hell as Mark Reckless.
It might even work in his favour; There's something to be said for being respectably distant from the driver's cab when the Brexit train crashes.
Well, an unusual start to the day for me as I find myself being impressed by the behaviour of our current Prime Minister.
Kudos to her for the strict application of the Ministerial Code and affirming that no one, however much an ally, is above said code. Green has been asked to resign/sacked (delete as appropriate) because of his inability to live up to that code based on the Seven Principles of Public Life:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-7-principles-of-public-life/the-7-principles-of-public-life--2
These apply not just to Cabinet members but to local Government officers and the Police. They aren't a bad set of standards to which everyone in the public sector should adhere and May's strong defence of them does her credit. Damian Green, for whatever reason, couldn't live to that code and was found out and had to go.
https://order-order.com/2017/12/21/peston-let-down-by-three-well-placed-sources/
No sympathy for Green. If he wants to play with his cock he can do it in his own time, and use his own equipment.
Important distinction
That it was, highlights an important failing that removes the right of privacy from all of us, no matter who we are. If the Police obtain a warrant, they must do so under specific grounds. If they are able to do so simply to fish for whatever they can find, then the warrant is no protection to the individual and is no longer fit for purpose.
Unusual.
And that is all.
Then you stroll along and say 'no, no, no, he didn't lie'. So who has this wrong?
Wonder why?
He was sacked for lying about being told, not for having porn or lying about having porn
You are saying something different
Why?
Juries really need to start routinely assuming that the police are lying to them.
Fairy nuff.
Second, the A50 negotiations. If the outcome is not deemed to be electorally popular, irrespective of whether it is in fact a good or bad deal for the country, May can carry the can and her successors can start with a fairly clean slate.
Third, May is not a loser, yet. Rather, no one else would be significantly better. Thatcher fell in 1990 because polls showed first Heseltine and then Major doing much better against Labour. Dewy-eyed Thatcherites tend to forget this - had the Conservatives gone into a 1991 election led by Thatcher they would have lost because a lot of the country were sick and tired of her by then. May's problems will only begin if the polls show a number of Conservative MPs losing their seats and jobs whereas said jobs would be safe with Boris or Gove or Hunt or whoever as leader.
The Ugandan parliament passed a law yesterday, pretty much confirming Museveni as president for life. The chances of a peaceful - and meaningful - transfer of power now look remote.
Background;
https://www.crisisgroup.org/africa/horn-africa/uganda/256-ugandas-slow-slide-crisis
They seem to me to have behaved badly in this case, but there is no reason to think they lied.
Green behaved badly, and lied (whatever Charles may say!)
Still, evil baby-eating Tories etc etc ad Momentum.
At the time I thought he had omitted the fact he had been told - hadn't appreciated he'd specifically denied it
You seem weirdly fixated on something completely unimportant, but if it really matters to you I'm sorry.
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JxCat 8/1
Policeman 1: You in the West Midlands Serious Crime squad?
Policeman 2: Yes, that's right
Policeman 1: Well then, let's get out there and commit a serious crime.
There are four very unequal seats, with the Barcelona seat carrying a majority, but is even then underweighted in terms of population. I think that's what's contributing to some v different views.
I have Cs at about 2.4, only £20 though
The Prime Minister will travel to Warsaw today for an annual summit designed to strengthen the relationship between the UK and Poland as Britain prepares to leave the EU.
The UK-Poland bilateral summit will bring together both Prime Ministers along with a number of senior Cabinet ministers, including the Chancellor, Foreign Secretary, Defence Secretary, Home Secretary and Business Secretary.
As an integral part of the summit, the Prime Minister is expected to announce a new joint UK-Poland Treaty on Defence and Security Co-operation. The only other European Union country we have such a treaty with is France.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-announces-landmark-new-package-of-defence-and-security-cooperation-with-poland