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I can’t recall any similar polling – looking at how the main national papers are perceived in terms of the impact they are having on society.
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Michel Barnier said it was unavoidable that British banks and financial firms would lose the passports that allow them to trade freely in the EU, as a result of any decision to quit the single market.
“There is no place [for financial services]. There is not a single trade agreement that is open to financial services. It doesn’t exist.” He said the outcome was a consequence of “the red lines that the British have chosen themselves. In leaving the single market, they lose the financial services passport.”
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The negotiator also said:
The UK could not stop Brexit unilaterally, arguing that overturning the decision to leave would require the consent of 27 EU member states – a view at odds with one of the authors of article 50, Lord Kerr.
The UK must follow all rules and regulations of the EU during the transition period, including new laws passed after the UK has left.
The UK could negotiate trade agreements with the rest of the world during the transition, but they could not come into force.
He would not confirm British estimates that the final Brexit bill – the UK’s outstanding obligations to the EU – would be no more than €45bn (£39bn).
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/18/uk-cannot-have-a-special-deal-for-the-city-says-eu-brexit-negotiator-barnier
With respect, your first sentence is certifiably bonkers.
If you agree with an article, it can't be great?
More amusingly, looking at some of the old debates, I see this objection from a couple of MPs seemingly objecting to the treating of those representing Ireland differently.
Mr. Bampfield and Mr. Robinson. All that serve for Ireland should be of this committee.
Sir Gilbert Pickering and Mr. Highland. Against any such distinction of members. It is an ill precedent, and looks not like an union. Desire that they may be all named, and name as many as you will; but let them not be exclusively added.
As it once was, so it is now.
Edit - I love accounts of old parliamentary debates, that even in times of great civil strife you see such mundane procedural arguments, or indeed summaries like this
Mr. Picketing. The end is not to punish any for their opinions, but to reduce them to the obedience of the government...
He made a long story to little purpose.
Hansard should insert such commentary.
Broadsheets = intelligent = good
Tabloids = thick = bad
Very nice chap I know eagerly awaits every issue, and how it demolishes every Brexiter out there with ease.
It is nice to see that quite a lot of people agree with me.
And the least badly thought of is the Express, which is complete drivel.
But its all likely virtue signalling bollox.
Including I suspect with some people who claim they have a negative influence on society.
@kle4 Most people take a dim view of McDonalds? Really?
But yes I acknowledge their popularity albeit declining popularity - as all newspapers are experiencing.
Time for a new thread!
A shame, I've had years of enjoyment from reading Cracked.
The lovely cuddley do-gooder guardian
The evil brown shirt supporting daily mail
The phone hacking sun
....
Righties tend to attack the Guardian
I believe the change came around the time of Gamergate - and their revenue declined massively.
So that's shot the virtue signalling meme theory to hell.
Weatherspoons has the same effect.
Positive influence
Negative influence
Neither a positive nor negative influence
Don't Know
If people know what the i is they'll think of it as the broadsheet Independent.
Though how many people have actually read the i is not likely to be high.
And almost all of my reading of it is in its business, sport, culture and lifestyle sections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGscoaUWW2M
The Telegraph is just a rag these days and the rest are comics not fit to be taken seriously as newspapers.
Overall what we can draw from this is the tabloids/broadsheets are more widely read by the working/middle-class, who are more likely to back Leave/Remain, and papers' stance on the issue is determined accordingly. The public generally view broadsheets more positively, or broadsheet readers are more forward about expressing their approval/disapproval of broadsheets/tabloids.
I replied with
'I love my iPhones, the iPhone X is the da bomb, I'm buried in the Apple ecosystem, and finally I DON'T WANT A PHONE THAT EXPLODES'
No big suprise here, in my view.
Have to say, I have the iPad Pro and it is an exquisite product.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/18/exclusive-investigation-world-100m-champion-justin-gatlin-embroiled/
Is what I've been paying since 2011.
For that I get complete online, tablet, and phone app coverage.
* Yes mike, joking. I have never been one to claim yougov is intentionally biased etc.
Much much more likely is that the Guardian and the Times are perceived as quality newspapers, and the Sun and the Mail have reputations as muck rakers -reputations that they had long before Brexit.
Beware of seeing everything through the obsessive kaleidoscopic lens of Brexit.
It sucked more than a hooker that swallowed a Dyson.
https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/942882169395011584
Can I roll them forward?