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Sorry Jonny, that was my error in not being clear enough.JonnyJimmy said:
Precisely. I don't think maybe crass and stupid is "equally as bad" as bent cops dishonestly conspiring against an elected politician.Richard_Tyndall said:
Calling someone a pleb is a crass stupid thing to do which reveals much about the man. Whether or not it results in further action is a political decision.JonnyJimmy said:
Equally as bad as maybe calling someone a pleb?Richard_Tyndall said:
Not enough of them.FrancisUrquhart said:
Police officers went to prison....Jonathan said:Plebgate, how did that work out in the end?
Serving officers lying about a meeting with an MP and only being caught out because he recorded the meeting should have resulted in dismissals and prosecutions. That they did not is equally as bad as the original crime.
Serving police officers lying about the content of a meeting for the purposes of discrediting a public servant should be grounds for dismissal.
It is not just my opinion. Lord Normington chaired a review into the workings of the Police Federation after Plebgate and found a "worrying loss of competence". This is on the back of the Federation threatening legal action against the IPCC because they dared to investigate the three officers who lied about the meeting with Mitchell.
The 'original crime' I was referring to was the police in Downing Street lying about what had been said and creating false witnesses. I believe one officer has gone to jail for that and others were disciplined.
I was comparing that with the actions of the 3 serving officers who were members of the Police Federation and lied about what was said in their meeting with Mitchell. The Federation then subsequently threatened legal action against the IPCC for investigating these lies. Those three officers should also have been thrown off the force as a minimum.0 -
Phew! I didn't think you'd have meant it how I read itRichard_Tyndall said:
Sorry Jonny, that was my error in not being clear enough.JonnyJimmy said:
Precisely. I don't think maybe crass and stupid is "equally as bad" as bent cops dishonestly conspiring against an elected politician.Richard_Tyndall said:
Calling someone a pleb is a crass stupid thing to do which reveals much about the man. Whether or not it results in further action is a political decision.JonnyJimmy said:
Equally as bad as maybe calling someone a pleb?Richard_Tyndall said:
Not enough of them.FrancisUrquhart said:
Police officers went to prison....Jonathan said:Plebgate, how did that work out in the end?
Serving officers lying about a meeting with an MP and only being caught out because he recorded the meeting should have resulted in dismissals and prosecutions. That they did not is equally as bad as the original crime.
Serving police officers lying about the content of a meeting for the purposes of discrediting a public servant should be grounds for dismissal.
It is not just my opinion. Lord Normington chaired a review into the workings of the Police Federation after Plebgate and found a "worrying loss of competence". This is on the back of the Federation threatening legal action against the IPCC because they dared to investigate the three officers who lied about the meeting with Mitchell.
The 'original crime' I was referring to was the police in Downing Street lying about what had been said and creating false witnesses. I believe one officer has gone to jail for that and others were disciplined.
I was comparing that with the actions of the 3 serving officers who were members of the Police Federation and lied about what was said in their meeting with Mitchell. The Federation then subsequently threatened legal action against the IPCC for investigating these lies. Those three officers should also have been thrown off the force as a minimum.
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Looks like Survation might have a Scottish poll coming out tonight - if so, hopefully it might give us some indication of how Richard Leonard's win has gone down with the voters. That said, Kezia in the jungle has somewhat overshadowed his appointment.0
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31% of women under 40 watch pornography at least once a week and 30% at least once a monthCyclefree said:
Speak for yourself Mr D. Most pornography is not aimed at women and has a rather brutal and reductive view of what sex is like, what real women are like and what their needs and desires are. We do not exist purely so that men can show off their tackle in some narcissistic, hard, fast, big “look at me” blow out.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, thanks (been AFK, hence slow reply). The reliability stats did strike me, hence the inclusion of Perez/Ocon in the driver graph. Worth bearing in mind for next year too.
Miss Cyclefree, hmm. I do think women rather overplay their virtue in such cases. Not to mention, they're the gender supporting the sex toy industry.
If men spent a bit less time looking at pornography and a bit more focusing on real women, perhaps we might not need sex toys.......
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3281671/One-three-women-admit-watch-porn-week-say-use-cell-phones-view-X-rated-footage.html0 -
Incredible rugby again. What a final.0
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Miss Cyclefree, I don't disagree that more men (indeed, very many) look at such things than women, just that the view that it's a male habit almost entirely is completely old-fashioned and wrong-headed.
In the same way that men are less likely to complain about sexual advances in the workplace, women may have more difficulty coming forward and seeking help for a compulsive addiction to adult material because it's perceived as something men do and women don't.
As for your final line, you may as well say that if women spent more time paying attention to men then men wouldn't look at whacking material so much
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Fixed it.HYUFD said:
31% of women under 40 admit to watching pornography at least once a week and 30% at least once a monthCyclefree said:
Speak for yourself Mr D. Most pornography is not aimed at women and has a rather brutal and reductive view of what sex is like, what real women are like and what their needs and desires are. We do not exist purely so that men can show off their tackle in some narcissistic, hard, fast, big “look at me” blow out.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, thanks (been AFK, hence slow reply). The reliability stats did strike me, hence the inclusion of Perez/Ocon in the driver graph. Worth bearing in mind for next year too.
Miss Cyclefree, hmm. I do think women rather overplay their virtue in such cases. Not to mention, they're the gender supporting the sex toy industry.
If men spent a bit less time looking at pornography and a bit more focusing on real women, perhaps we might not need sex toys.......
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3281671/One-three-women-admit-watch-porn-week-say-use-cell-phones-view-X-rated-footage.html0 -
If I was a league side I'd hire a couple of mediocre union props on the cheap and when you have a scrum put in interchange them on and walk the scrum in for a try.0
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More bollocks from you. The problem is that people get 'fitted up' all the time. The difference is that it is not quite so blatantly obvious when it is a normal individual rather than a high profile politician. The fact that certain sections of the police are willing to do this and think they can get away with it simply shows how far the poison has progressed through the force.foxinsoxuk said:
I remember the good old days when the plod only fitted up protesters, trade unionists, football fans, darkies and Irishmen. They shouldnt be allowed to fit up privileged white men.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave, they've been slaughtering the police in today's edition (and in previous editions as well)MarqueeMark said:
The Times has been ridiculously partisan on this matter. No objectivity on display whatsoever.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, from today's Times.
A cabinet source said: “Damian might have survived if this was dealt with immediately but the longer this is drawn out, the more there is a sense this is unsustainable. There are now so many allegations out there, it is hard to work out how they will be dealt with.”
Another Tory source said that at least one senior aide in Downing Street thought that Mr Green was likely to have to go. “There are senior figures in No 10 who think he should resign,” they said.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/cabinet-split-over-damian-green-after-police-porn-claims-h7gglljtg
Here's some more of the rozzer bashing articles from today
MPs attack police over computer porn leaks amid Damian Green row - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mps-attack-police-over-computer-porn-leaks-damian-green-6glqr09zt
Damian Green pornography affair reopens old Plebgate wounds for Tories - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/damian-green-pornography-affair-reopens-old-andrew-mitchell-plebgate-wounds-9nw3zwmmf
Matthew Parris - Police are waging a vendetta to destroy Green. Whether the deputy PM downloaded porn is less of a moral outrage than the sinister behaviour of former Met officers
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/police-are-waging-a-vendetta-to-destroy-green-wxr296jgd
If you actually care about those "protesters, trade unionists, football fans, darkies and Irishmen" instead of just using them to make an asinine political point the you would welcome the fact this is being made such a big deal of as it is the only way the spotlight will be properly shone on what passes for normality in the police today.0 -
Erotic and romantic literature, written by women for women, would suggest that quite a few have filthy minds. Admittedly, these stories have plots, unlike most porn.Cyclefree said:
Speak for yourself Mr D. Most pornography is not aimed at women and has a rather brutal and reductive view of what sex is like, what real women are like and what their needs and desires are. We do not exist purely so that men can show off their tackle in some narcissistic, hard, fast, big “look at me” blow out.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, thanks (been AFK, hence slow reply). The reliability stats did strike me, hence the inclusion of Perez/Ocon in the driver graph. Worth bearing in mind for next year too.
Miss Cyclefree, hmm. I do think women rather overplay their virtue in such cases. Not to mention, they're the gender supporting the sex toy industry.
If men spent a bit less time looking at pornography and a bit more focusing on real women, perhaps we might not need sex toys.......0 -
OK but even 60% of women under 40 admit to watching it at least once a month and a third even say they watch it once a week.JonnyJimmy said:
Fixed it.HYUFD said:
31% of women under 40 admit to watching pornography at least once a week and 30% at least once a monthCyclefree said:
Speak for yourself Mr D. Most pornography is not aimed at women and has a rather brutal and reductive view of what sex is like, what real women are like and what their needs and desires are. We do not exist purely so that men can show off their tackle in some narcissistic, hard, fast, big “look at me” blow out.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, thanks (been AFK, hence slow reply). The reliability stats did strike me, hence the inclusion of Perez/Ocon in the driver graph. Worth bearing in mind for next year too.
Miss Cyclefree, hmm. I do think women rather overplay their virtue in such cases. Not to mention, they're the gender supporting the sex toy industry.
If men spent a bit less time looking at pornography and a bit more focusing on real women, perhaps we might not need sex toys.......
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3281671/One-three-women-admit-watch-porn-week-say-use-cell-phones-view-X-rated-footage.html
Single men in their 20s on average watch pornography 3 times a week, those in relationships 1.7 times a week.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6709646/All-men-watch-porn-scientists-find.html0 -
Better than 80 minutes of play the ball, run, tackle, repeat five times, kick.SandyRentool said:
So you prefer 5 minutes of collapsing scrums followed by kick and clap, kick and clap.david_herdson said:
As do I. RL is repetitive, boring and has all (well, most) of the interesting bits of rugby stripped out.SandyRentool said:
And you call yourself a Yorkshireman!TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, rugby league is not rugby.FrancisUrquhart said:Some massive hits from Sam Burgess in the rugby.
Rugby union is the only proper, pure rugby.
No big girl's blouse fifth tackle rule in proper rugby.
In any case, the amount of kicking in union is much reduced from 10-15 years ago.0 -
Unfortunately nothing new there from Dr Fox.JonnyJimmy said:
And what rubbish about "concern" for our institutions. You're prepared to ignore the obviously disgraceful behaviour of the bent coppers because it damages the government, and increases the chances of Corbyn and no Brexit. You're making an utter arse of yourself.foxinsoxuk said:
No, but while the ex police have acted badly, so has Green. No one is going to come out of this looking good. I am not calling for any sackings or resignations. I am happy for the Cabinet office to investigate.JonnyJimmy said:
It sounds like you're enjoying this. Sad..foxinsoxuk said:
I remember the good old days when the plod only fitted up protesters, trade unionists, football fans, darkies and Irishmen. They shouldnt be allowed to fit up privileged white men.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh behave, they've been slaughtering the police in today's edition (and in previous editions as well)MarqueeMark said:
The Times has been ridiculously partisan on this matter. No objectivity on display whatsoever.
Here's some more of the rozzer bashing articles from today
MPs attack police over computer porn leaks amid Damian Green row - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mps-attack-police-over-computer-porn-leaks-damian-green-6glqr09zt
Damian Green pornography affair reopens old Plebgate wounds for Tories - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/damian-green-pornography-affair-reopens-old-andrew-mitchell-plebgate-wounds-9nw3zwmmf
Matthew Parris - Police are waging a vendetta to destroy Green. Whether the deputy PM downloaded porn is less of a moral outrage than the sinister behaviour of former Met officers
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/police-are-waging-a-vendetta-to-destroy-green-wxr296jgd
I am increasingly concerned that sensible Tories are joining in attacks on the institutions of democracy, including not only the police, but also the judicary, parliament, and even professions like my own, and Civil Service, but also the teachers and universities. Formerly these were only under attack from the Trotskyite left.
It doesn't bode well for the stability of our democratic infrastructure.0 -
Brave. Very, very brave :-)Morris_Dancer said:As for your final line, you may as well say that if women spent more time paying attention to men then men wouldn't look at whacking material so much
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Mr. F, ha, quite. The rise of e-books also means that such material can be read without any fear of the dodgy cover giving away your preference.
Not my cup of tea, but then, the readership of 50 Shades of Grey et al is very much female.0 -
Jackie Collins and EL James certainly made a fortune from writing erotic novels for womenSean_F said:
Erotic and romantic literature, written by women for women, would suggest that quite a few have filthy minds. Admittedly, these stories have plots, unlike most porn.Cyclefree said:
Speak for yourself Mr D. Most pornography is not aimed at women and has a rather brutal and reductive view of what sex is like, what real women are like and what their needs and desires are. We do not exist purely so that men can show off their tackle in some narcissistic, hard, fast, big “look at me” blow out.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, thanks (been AFK, hence slow reply). The reliability stats did strike me, hence the inclusion of Perez/Ocon in the driver graph. Worth bearing in mind for next year too.
Miss Cyclefree, hmm. I do think women rather overplay their virtue in such cases. Not to mention, they're the gender supporting the sex toy industry.
If men spent a bit less time looking at pornography and a bit more focusing on real women, perhaps we might not need sex toys.......0 -
Mr. Gadfly, morris dancers are renowned for their bravery. It takes courage to wave your wiffle stick in public.0
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He was fitted up for murder by the Met though.Sean_F said:
Winston Silcott has an extremely unpleasant criminal record. He is no martyr.foxinsoxuk said:
Or Blair Peach. Or winston Silcott, or the Orgreave pickets...OldKingCole said:
As someone pointed out upthread, the toffs are only getting a dose of what less advantaged sections of our community have experienced for years. Ask, for example, Ricky Tomlinson.ydoethur said:
On his work computer? I disagree, he might well have to resign if the complaint is proved.stevef said:Absolutely right. Damien Green is a human being like everyone else. He should not have to resign for having legal pornography on his computer. This is a politically motivated witch hunt
But, we have a separate issue here: (1) it was obtained by the police under highly dubious circumstances (2) it was not reported to the Parlaimentary authorities at the time (probably correctly as it happens given the circumstances) (3) it is now being used in a way that appears unlawful to damage him over an unrelated matter in such a way that it could appear to be motivated by malice.
You don't have to be an anarchist or a Tory to say the way the police have behaved absolutely stinks.
If only saints are to have rights, few of us are safe.0 -
A good time to remember this one?david_herdson said:
Better than 80 minutes of play the ball, run, tackle, repeat five times, kick.SandyRentool said:
So you prefer 5 minutes of collapsing scrums followed by kick and clap, kick and clap.david_herdson said:
As do I. RL is repetitive, boring and has all (well, most) of the interesting bits of rugby stripped out.SandyRentool said:
And you call yourself a Yorkshireman!TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, rugby league is not rugby.FrancisUrquhart said:Some massive hits from Sam Burgess in the rugby.
Rugby union is the only proper, pure rugby.
No big girl's blouse fifth tackle rule in proper rugby.
In any case, the amount of kicking in union is much reduced from 10-15 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XmLqZy_kTQ0 -
It's reckoned that most erotic fiction online is written by women.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. F, ha, quite. The rise of e-books also means that such material can be read without any fear of the dodgy cover giving away your preference.
Not my cup of tea, but then, the readership of 50 Shades of Grey et al is very much female.
I've often wondered what world porn producers inhabit, where you can get a plumber or electrician to turn up in 15 minutes.
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Said Rugby League isn’t a proper sport.0
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No it isn't. What they are alleging is irrelevant to the new accusations and in no way justifies their shady behaviour in leaking police notes of non criminal activity. They will claim public interest, and if he goes some will overlook what they've done, but that would be a mistake. Unless he's committed a serious offence elsewhere, they come out of this far worse.foxinsoxuk said:
Though this did come to attention because the Deputy PM is being investigated for posssible inappropriate sexual behaviour. Public Interest is a reasonable defence.Sandpit said:
And there’s a massive difference between what is in the public interest, and what the public might find interesting.foxinsoxuk said:
I hope you support the prosecution of all those involved with the stolen data of the Paradise Papers and with the parliamentary expenses scandal too. Stolen information is stolen information.JonnyJimmy said:I'm pretty sure that I made this point when I was drunk last night, but heads really should be rolling at the BBC over this. They are accomplices to whatever crimes these bent cops have committed. They should have sent that interview straight to the police, and let someone else take the risk of reporting it. What they've done in spreading it around the world is an absolute disgrace.
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That, I can imagine :-)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Gadfly, morris dancers are renowned for their bravery. It takes courage to wave your wiffle stick in public.
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Have Ozzie’s not got any staying power? Masses of empty seats in the cricket now.0
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Morning all,
Came back a couple of nights ago from a fortnight in Kerala, southern India. 'Twas a welcome break from Brexiteering at least. Fucking hot though, and I seem to be only just recovering from a few days of serious Delhi Belly while I was out there. Attending a family wedding (with concomitant feasts spread over four days!) was probably the culprit Didn't have much access to TV or internet while I was over there, but I was aware of the North Korean defector, Bali volcano, Pope in Burma, Brexit bill, and Harry and Meghan of course!
Cochin airport's international terminal has just had a makeover and was sufficiently impressive to remind me of the Gulf airports. Another aspect of progress was the four to six lane highway south of the city of Thrissur towards Cochin airport, which could easily have been a motorway here. However, north of Thrissur, through the port of Calicut and my birthplace of Kannur, the highways were almost exclusively single-carriageways. And the main coastal railway seems to fully AC electrified and doubled - a decade ago, it was unelectrified and mostly single. Did you notice I deliberately inserted a railway reference there? However, we mostly travel around southern India by taxi these days, haven't actually been on an Indian train since 2002 (Kannur to Calicut day trip).
But, but, because I did fly Emirates, I did do the Dubai Terminal Three people-mover type train between concourse A and B, albeit in one direction only
Looks like the day after I left there was a massive storm that hit the southern tip of India and there were several casualties. Only went to the beach near Calicut on Monday evening, when it was mostly dry and sunny.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-42192225
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Novels in which the manly hero beats and rapes the heroine, who falls in love with him as a result, are immensely popular.HYUFD said:
Jackie Collins and EL James certainly made a fortune from writing erotic novels for womenSean_F said:
Erotic and romantic literature, written by women for women, would suggest that quite a few have filthy minds. Admittedly, these stories have plots, unlike most porn.Cyclefree said:
Speak for yourself Mr D. Most pornography is not aimed at women and has a rather brutal and reductive view of what sex is like, what real women are like and what their needs and desires are. We do not exist purely so that men can show off their tackle in some narcissistic, hard, fast, big “look at me” blow out.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, thanks (been AFK, hence slow reply). The reliability stats did strike me, hence the inclusion of Perez/Ocon in the driver graph. Worth bearing in mind for next year too.
Miss Cyclefree, hmm. I do think women rather overplay their virtue in such cases. Not to mention, they're the gender supporting the sex toy industry.
If men spent a bit less time looking at pornography and a bit more focusing on real women, perhaps we might not need sex toys.......0 -
Apparently it is "too cold" 16 degrees. We still have lying snow here.FrancisUrquhart said:Have Ozzie’s not got any staying power? Masses of empty seats in the cricket now.
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And then put in some hard slog for 45.Sean_F said:
It's reckoned that most erotic fiction online is written by women.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. F, ha, quite. The rise of e-books also means that such material can be read without any fear of the dodgy cover giving away your preference.
Not my cup of tea, but then, the readership of 50 Shades of Grey et al is very much female.
I've often wondered what world porn producers inhabit, where you can get a plumber or electrician to turn up in 15 minutes.
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No Cops, no zionists, no racists, no islamophobes....
https://order-order.com/2017/12/01/top-corbynistas-spare-room-ad-no-cops-no-zionists/
Erhhhh...slowly raises hand...can you see any issues with your advert?0 -
I think that those enjoying this perversion of justice are far bigger perverts than those that watch legal porn. I reckon @foxinsoxuk is proving himself to be a massive pervert today.0
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One can only imagine how much cooking and how big her grocery bill was for Mrs Burgess back when her four sons were living at home !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Burgess_(rugby_league)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Burgess_(rugby_league)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Burgess_(rugby_league)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Burgess_(rugby_league)0 -
Bloody southern softies....dixiedean said:
Apparently it is "too cold" 16 degrees. We still have lying snow here.FrancisUrquhart said:Have Ozzie’s not got any staying power? Masses of empty seats in the cricket now.
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I've never watched porn on a computer (it's just too sad) but I couldn't be 100% certain there aren't thumbnail images somewhere on my computer because of dodgy sites or dodgy emails or some other technical reason I don't know about.Casino_Royale said:
In the real world, virtually everyone lies about sex and virtually everyone watches porn. And I wouldn't believe those that said they didn't.Ally_B said:I concur with your view Nigelb. As David says, under these circumstances it isn't a sackable offence. Nor, in this case, do I think it appropriate for ex-Policemen to comment on what was found at that time. It does have the feel of Plebgate to it. Green shouldn't have done what is alleged on a work's computer but I'm afraid it reinforces my opinion of most politicians as individuals who are out of touch with the real world and I'll leave it at that.
Next.
I agree with most people on this site, from across the political spectrum, that the retired policemen are in the wrong on this and sympathise with Green.
What has annoyed me the most is the action of the BBC (and I'm usually a big defender of the BBC) in running that uncritical one-sided interview. They obviously saw it as a scoop and a big story (like the Cliff Richard one) and it crippled their judgement.0 -
Mr. kle4, are you in Beijing? Happened to see on Twitter that Mr. T is as well.
Mr. F, not quite the same but I know of a male writer who adopted a female pseudonym for writing romantic fiction.
Reminds me of when some frequent twitterers attacked me for saying books should be judged by quality not demographics of the author. I pointed out that the top 20 in sci-fi/fantasy on Amazon was 50% female, but 90% or so of romance was female. My use of evidence of course made no impact upon the foam-flecked cretins*.
Edited extra bit: *who maintained that men have an evil patriarchal advantage in the sphere of writing.0 -
This.Cyclefree said:
Speak for yourself Mr D. Most pornography is not aimed at women and has a rather brutal and reductive view of what sex is like, what real women are like and what their needs and desires are. We do not exist purely so that men can show off their tackle in some narcissistic, hard, fast, big “look at me” blow out.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, thanks (been AFK, hence slow reply). The reliability stats did strike me, hence the inclusion of Perez/Ocon in the driver graph. Worth bearing in mind for next year too.
Miss Cyclefree, hmm. I do think women rather overplay their virtue in such cases. Not to mention, they're the gender supporting the sex toy industry.
If men spent a bit less time looking at pornography and a bit more focusing on real women, perhaps we might not need sex toys.......0 -
Is any kind of Rugby (inc. Gridiron!) a proper sport?TheScreamingEagles said:Said Rugby League isn’t a proper sport.
It's just football with legal handball, legal fouling, and no proper goal mouth.0 -
I am trudging through that at the moment.Toms said:
Yours is the 1st comment, and I agree. But I'd like to think (should it have occurred) it was done during one's lunch hour.Nigelb said:Pretty well agree with all of that.
This kind of nonsense makes me think of Hawthorne's "The Scarlet Letter".
And "trudging" is the right term.
40 pages to describe the building and the occupants of the building in which he found the (fictitious) old notes on which he claimed to base the story.,.0 -
Local supermarket must have been raking it in.Pulpstar said:One can only imagine how much cooking and how big her grocery bill was for Mrs Burgess back when her four sons were living at home !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Burgess_(rugby_league)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Burgess_(rugby_league)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Burgess_(rugby_league)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Burgess_(rugby_league)
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I am. Off to the wall tomorrow, about to watch a kung FU show.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4, are you in Beijing? Happened to see on Twitter that Mr. T is as well.
Mr. F, not quite the same but I know of a male writer who adopted a female pseudonym for writing romantic fiction.
Reminds me of when some frequent twitterers attacked me for saying books should be judged by quality not demographics of the author. I pointed out that the top 20 in sci-fi/fantasy on Amazon was 50% female, but 90% or so of romance was female. My use of evidence of course made no impact upon the foam-flecked cretins*.
Edited extra bit: *who maintained that men have an evil patriarchal advantage in the sphere of writing.0 -
Mr. kle4, the wall's very good.0
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Oh, women can be the worst! They're just much better at hiding it ;-)Cyclefree said:
Ahem....You might want to qualify that “virtually everyone” by saying “ virtually every male”......Casino_Royale said:
In the real world, virtually everyone lies about sex and virtually everyone watches porn. And I wouldn't believe those that said they didn't.Ally_B said:I concur with your view Nigelb. As David says, under these circumstances it isn't a sackable offence. Nor, in this case, do I think it appropriate for ex-Policemen to comment on what was found at that time. It does have the feel of Plebgate to it. Green shouldn't have done what is alleged on a work's computer but I'm afraid it reinforces my opinion of most politicians as individuals who are out of touch with the real world and I'll leave it at that.
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I've watched Rugby Union the longest, the rules compared to both Rugby League and American Football are still completely unfathomable.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Is any kind of Rugby (inc. Gridiron!) a proper sport?TheScreamingEagles said:Said Rugby League isn’t a proper sport.
It's just football with legal handball, legal fouling, and no proper goal mouth.0 -
The ones that admit it.HYUFD said:
31% of women under 40 watch pornography at least once a week and 30% at least once a monthCyclefree said:
Speak for yourself Mr D. Most pornography is not aimed at women and has a rather brutal and reductive view of what sex is like, what real women are like and what their needs and desires are. We do not exist purely so that men can show off their tackle in some narcissistic, hard, fast, big “look at me” blow out.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, thanks (been AFK, hence slow reply). The reliability stats did strike me, hence the inclusion of Perez/Ocon in the driver graph. Worth bearing in mind for next year too.
Miss Cyclefree, hmm. I do think women rather overplay their virtue in such cases. Not to mention, they're the gender supporting the sex toy industry.
If men spent a bit less time looking at pornography and a bit more focusing on real women, perhaps we might not need sex toys.......
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3281671/One-three-women-admit-watch-porn-week-say-use-cell-phones-view-X-rated-footage.html0 -
You've bought mags, then?Barnesian said:
I've never watched porn on a computer (it's just too sad)Casino_Royale said:
In the real world, virtually everyone lies about sex and virtually everyone watches porn. And I wouldn't believe those that said they didn't.Ally_B said:I concur with your view Nigelb. As David says, under these circumstances it isn't a sackable offence. Nor, in this case, do I think it appropriate for ex-Policemen to comment on what was found at that time. It does have the feel of Plebgate to it. Green shouldn't have done what is alleged on a work's computer but I'm afraid it reinforces my opinion of most politicians as individuals who are out of touch with the real world and I'll leave it at that.
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I'm looking forward to seeing it (I Tonya) when it comes out which I think is January. The nice thing about seeing films before release is that you can see them before the critics have scrawled all over them! I've mixed feelings about Stalin. It felt like two films in one. One half was excellent. Another very surprising film is 'Florida Project'.MarqueeMark said:
Looking forward to that. Really enjoyed "I, Tonya" too about skater Tonya Harding. You think that these clowns she was surrounded by must be cartoons - until over the credits, you see actual footage of them - and have to shake your head. The amount of casual violence she endured is quite shocking, as is the way that she got marked down on her performances just for coming from the wrong side of the tracks. An especially fine turn as her mother by Allison Janney (aka The West Wing's CJ).Roger said:Incidentally the film 'Battle of the Sexes' about the tennis match between Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs is surprisingly watchable.
A very well written script by Simon Beaufoy (from Yorkshire!) and brilliantlly acted it turned out to be everything I wasn't expecting. Apart from too much focus on Billie Jean's lesbianism it was a wonderful critique of early feminism, gender equality, American consumerism, gambling and an interesting history of 70's tennis.
Although Death of Stalin is head and shoulders above anything else this year - so far.0 -
Re that Marie Claire Survey, different polls come out with different results. For example this Pew poll in 2013 came out with the exact opposite: http://www.pewinternet.org/files/old-media//Files/Reports/2013/PIP_Online Video 2013.pdf (see page 11). Re women ‘admitting’: think there’s a confusion between thinking about sex and watching porn. Many women think about sex (obviously) but we don’t need porn to do that.0
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A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.0 -
Have Florida Project - hopefully catch it over the weekend.Roger said:
I'm looking forward to seeing it (I Tonya) when it comes out which I think is January. The nice thing about seeing films before release is that you can see them before the critics have scrawled all over them! I've mixed feelings about Stalin. It felt like two films in one. One half was excellent. Another very surprising film is 'Florida Project'.MarqueeMark said:
Looking forward to that. Really enjoyed "I, Tonya" too about skater Tonya Harding. You think that these clowns she was surrounded by must be cartoons - until over the credits, you see actual footage of them - and have to shake your head. The amount of casual violence she endured is quite shocking, as is the way that she got marked down on her performances just for coming from the wrong side of the tracks. An especially fine turn as her mother by Allison Janney (aka The West Wing's CJ).Roger said:Incidentally the film 'Battle of the Sexes' about the tennis match between Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs is surprisingly watchable.
A very well written script by Simon Beaufoy (from Yorkshire!) and brilliantlly acted it turned out to be everything I wasn't expecting. Apart from too much focus on Billie Jean's lesbianism it was a wonderful critique of early feminism, gender equality, American consumerism, gambling and an interesting history of 70's tennis.
Although Death of Stalin is head and shoulders above anything else this year - so far.0 -
Presumably the .7 is when they hear a key in the front door...HYUFD said:
OK but even 60% of women under 40 admit to watching it at least once a month and a third even say they watch it once a week.JonnyJimmy said:
Fixed it.HYUFD said:
31% of women under 40 admit to watching pornography at least once a week and 30% at least once a monthCyclefree said:
Speak for yourself Mr D. Most pornography is not aimed at women and has a rather brutal and reductive view of what sex is like, what real women are like and what their needs and desires are. We do not exist purely so that men can show off their tackle in some narcissistic, hard, fast, big “look at me” blow out.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, thanks (been AFK, hence slow reply). The reliability stats did strike me, hence the inclusion of Perez/Ocon in the driver graph. Worth bearing in mind for next year too.
Miss Cyclefree, hmm. I do think women rather overplay their virtue in such cases. Not to mention, they're the gender supporting the sex toy industry.
If men spent a bit less time looking at pornography and a bit more focusing on real women, perhaps we might not need sex toys.......
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3281671/One-three-women-admit-watch-porn-week-say-use-cell-phones-view-X-rated-footage.html
Single men in their 20s on average watch pornography 3 times a week, those in relationships 1.7 times a week.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6709646/All-men-watch-porn-scientists-find.html0 -
Maybe a stash on BetaWhacks..... (Now that WOULD be sad!)Casino_Royale said:
You've bought mags, then?Barnesian said:
I've never watched porn on a computer (it's just too sad)Casino_Royale said:
In the real world, virtually everyone lies about sex and virtually everyone watches porn. And I wouldn't believe those that said they didn't.Ally_B said:I concur with your view Nigelb. As David says, under these circumstances it isn't a sackable offence. Nor, in this case, do I think it appropriate for ex-Policemen to comment on what was found at that time. It does have the feel of Plebgate to it. Green shouldn't have done what is alleged on a work's computer but I'm afraid it reinforces my opinion of most politicians as individuals who are out of touch with the real world and I'll leave it at that.
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If a private company fouls up you should be able to take your custom elsewhere.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.
If the state fouls up (Unerversal Credit for example) you don't have that option.0 -
Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis... 0
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Can we privatise the welfare state?Fysics_Teacher said:
If a private company fouls up you should be able to take your custom elsewhere.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.
If the state fouls up (Unerversal Credit for example) you don't have that option.0 -
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
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I remember, in the early days of PB, one PBer complaining to Mike about the pop-up porn ads. The rest of us knew why he was getting them, much to our amusement and his embarrassment when we pointed out why he was seeing them! Can't remember who it was. It was a prominent poster.SandyRentool said:
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
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TSE?Barnesian said:
I remember, in the early days of PB, one PBer complaining to Mike about the pop-up porn ads. The rest of us knew why he was getting them, much to our amusement and his embarrassment when we pointed out why he was seeing them! Can't remember who it was. It was a prominent poster.SandyRentool said:
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
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No. That's sad too. My vivid imagination is good enough for me.Casino_Royale said:
You've bought mags, then?Barnesian said:
I've never watched porn on a computer (it's just too sad)Casino_Royale said:
In the real world, virtually everyone lies about sex and virtually everyone watches porn. And I wouldn't believe those that said they didn't.Ally_B said:I concur with your view Nigelb. As David says, under these circumstances it isn't a sackable offence. Nor, in this case, do I think it appropriate for ex-Policemen to comment on what was found at that time. It does have the feel of Plebgate to it. Green shouldn't have done what is alleged on a work's computer but I'm afraid it reinforces my opinion of most politicians as individuals who are out of touch with the real world and I'll leave it at that.
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It seems to me that luck is the biggest determinant of literary success. Some people write great books that are deservedly popular. More people write great books that sink without trace. And some people write complete crap which is hugely popular.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4, are you in Beijing? Happened to see on Twitter that Mr. T is as well.
Mr. F, not quite the same but I know of a male writer who adopted a female pseudonym for writing romantic fiction.
Reminds me of when some frequent twitterers attacked me for saying books should be judged by quality not demographics of the author. I pointed out that the top 20 in sci-fi/fantasy on Amazon was 50% female, but 90% or so of romance was female. My use of evidence of course made no impact upon the foam-flecked cretins*.
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208-4 at stumps - modest advantage Australia I'd reckon.0
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I did see a figure last year of 38% of MPs visiting PB on a regular basisSandyRentool said:
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
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I have criticised the cops, not called for any sackings or resignations and stated that I am happy for the Cabinet Office to investigate by due process.JonnyJimmy said:I think that those enjoying this perversion of justice are far bigger perverts than those that watch legal porn. I reckon @foxinsoxuk is proving himself to be a massive pervert today.
Mine is possibly the most tame mannered perverted lynch mob ever. @foxinsoxuk is Born to be Mild.
Now the Rugby League is over, I need to tend to my poorly pooch. The old fellow looks as if he is fading away.
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Yes, I remember that too, although I also cannot remember who it was.GIN1138 said:
TSE?Barnesian said:
I remember, in the early days of PB, one PBer complaining to Mike about the pop-up porn ads. The rest of us knew why he was getting them, much to our amusement and his embarrassment when we pointed out why he was seeing them! Can't remember who it was. It was a prominent poster.SandyRentool said:
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
Another question that needs to be asked here is how and why, if the evidence is as it might appear, the middle ranking police came to be told to drop the whole inquiry back at the time?0 -
There were rumours that our former PM used to visit (and might even have posted at one time)MikeSmithson said:
I did see a figure last year of 38% of MPs visiting PB on a regular basisSandyRentool said:
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
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As Shaggy put it, 'It wasn't me'GIN1138 said:
TSE?Barnesian said:
I remember, in the early days of PB, one PBer complaining to Mike about the pop-up porn ads. The rest of us knew why he was getting them, much to our amusement and his embarrassment when we pointed out why he was seeing them! Can't remember who it was. It was a prominent poster.SandyRentool said:
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
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I know he visits PB but as far as I know he's never posted a comment.GIN1138 said:
There were rumours that our former PM used to visit (and might even have posted at one time)MikeSmithson said:
I did see a figure last year of 38% of MPs visiting PB on a regular basisSandyRentool said:
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
Wonder whether you'll get a mention in his memoirs Mike?0 -
That depends on what you mean by 'privatise'. I think the State should be responsible for making sure that things like benefits payments, health and education are all provided, but I'm not particularly wedded to the mechanism (State owned or privately owned and state paid for). We currently have a mix of both systems (and that certainly includes health: I would guess that most non-hospital NHS work is currently provided by the private sector).JonnyJimmy said:
Can we privatise the welfare state?Fysics_Teacher said:
If a private company fouls up you should be able to take your custom elsewhere.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.
If the state fouls up (Unerversal Credit for example) you don't have that option.
What I do think is that in many the ability to turn round to a supplier of something and say "you are not providing the level of service I want so I am going to go somewhere else" is a powerful incentive for the service provider. It's why monopolies are so bad. It's also why a weak opposition is not good in a democracy: if the government doesn't think that there is a creditable alternative they have no incentive to improve.0 -
You've mildly criticised the cops, while simultaneously defending them with the "public interest" crap. And you've gone straight into whataboutery with your list of others wronged, and implied that you think it's about time it happened to a Tory. You are enjoying this.foxinsoxuk said:
I have criticised the cops, not called for any sackings or resignations and stated that I am happy for the Cabinet Office to investigate by due process.JonnyJimmy said:I think that those enjoying this perversion of justice are far bigger perverts than those that watch legal porn. I reckon @foxinsoxuk is proving himself to be a massive pervert today.
Mine is possibly the most tame mannered perverted lynch mob ever. @foxinsoxuk is Born to be Mild.
Now the Rugby League is over, I need to tend to my poorly pooch. The old fellow looks as if he is fading away.0 -
Oh right.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know he visits PB but as far as I know he's never posted a comment.GIN1138 said:
There were rumours that our former PM used to visit (and might even have posted at one time)MikeSmithson said:
I did see a figure last year of 38% of MPs visiting PB on a regular basisSandyRentool said:
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
Wonder whether you'll get a mention in his memoirs Mike? 0 -
So Damian Green has looked at porn. So what? What should concern us was that he was naive enough to do this on a work computer using his work's internet system0
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Looks that way. Somewhat unusually I’m not laying the draw for this match, the day/night thingy could well produce a funny result.MarqueeMark said:208-4 at stumps - modest advantage Australia I'd reckon.
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The Shaggy "it wasn't me"?TheScreamingEagles said:
As Shaggy put it, 'It wasn't me'GIN1138 said:
TSE?Barnesian said:
I remember, in the early days of PB, one PBer complaining to Mike about the pop-up porn ads. The rest of us knew why he was getting them, much to our amusement and his embarrassment when we pointed out why he was seeing them! Can't remember who it was. It was a prominent poster.SandyRentool said:
That will depend on whether PB advertises on porn sites.GIN1138 said:Would be interesting to know how many MP's computers log into PB on a daily basis...
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Most people seem to be missing that (which is the actual thing he would be sacked for in any other work place) in the titillation of the fact the DPM might have looked at porn.MikeSmithson said:So Damian Green has looked at porn. So what? What should concern us was that he was naive enough to do this on a work computer using his work's internet system
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I don’t get why someone would look at porn at work. You’re just asking for trouble there. It’s much easier to just do it in your own time, I’m not quite sure why some can’t just leaving it at that.0
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At least with different electricity companies available you can switch if you are unhappy with one provider which would not be the case if there was only one state owned provider again as there used to be under the old Central Electricity Generating Board until Thatcher privatised it.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.0 -
If there were currently a court case taking place into some more serious sexual misdemeanour that the DPM had allegedly committed, would this cop's testimony be admissible evidence from the prosecution to establish his character? Or, would the judge insist that the jury completely disregard it? Or something else?0
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If it OK for Prezza to bend his secretary over his desk, and for sundry Parliamentarians to have sex with their researchers or a.n.other in the office and sometimes video it, then I do not see how having sex with yourself can be an issue.kle4 said:This story has made me so angry that we could have footage of Green wanking alone at his desk and I’d stil say the police behaviour has not been warranted. He may well have behaved poorly, and there might have been appropriate actions to be taken, but this clear vendetta against him has involved some shady behaviour which, it is clear, those doing it hope to get away with by claiming public interest should he have to resign for something unrelated. Despicable. Good riddance to coppers like that, arrogant stains on the service.
On sex / harrassment scandals, why have the ladies who featured as protagonists on the original 'sexual harrassment spreadsheet' not been mentioned since, especially since a couple of them have been active commentators on the whole thing?0 -
You forgot, stick finger up opposition arse Hopoate style.david_herdson said:
Better than 80 minutes of play the ball, run, tackle, repeat five times, kick.SandyRentool said:
So you prefer 5 minutes of collapsing scrums followed by kick and clap, kick and clap.david_herdson said:
As do I. RL is repetitive, boring and has all (well, most) of the interesting bits of rugby stripped out.SandyRentool said:
And you call yourself a Yorkshireman!TheScreamingEagles said:
Please, rugby league is not rugby.FrancisUrquhart said:Some massive hits from Sam Burgess in the rugby.
Rugby union is the only proper, pure rugby.
No big girl's blouse fifth tackle rule in proper rugby.
In any case, the amount of kicking in union is much reduced from 10-15 years ago.
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Well the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 was going through the Commons then, so accessing porn might have been done for research purposes of that.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t get why someone would look at porn at work. You’re just asking for trouble there. It’s much easier to just do it in your own time, I’m not quite sure why some can’t just leaving it at that.
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Clearly you missed your vocation as a defence barrister?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 was going through the Commons then, so accessing porn might have been done for research purposes of that.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t get why someone would look at porn at work. You’re just asking for trouble there. It’s much easier to just do it in your own time, I’m not quite sure why some can’t just leaving it at that.
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Since he robustly denies it you might want to consider qualifying that. Even the police admit they can’t prove who looked at it.MikeSmithson said:So Damian Green has looked at porn.
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We do not actually know that he did. Lots of thumbnails doesn't necessarily mean very much - there is a very significant history of police cockups (!), incompetence, and abuse of evidence in this area of law.GIN1138 said:
Most people seem to be missing that (which is the actual thing he would be sacked for in any other work place) in the titillation of the fact the DPM might have looked at porn.MikeSmithson said:So Damian Green has looked at porn. So what? What should concern us was that he was naive enough to do this on a work computer using his work's internet system
That is, of course, even if what Green is alleged to have done were an offence, were he actually to have done it.
What we currently have is a witch-hunt, and attempts subtly to take political advantage.
As an employer I would see lunchtime porn as more of a Verbal or Written Warning thing than a sacking offence. I would be more worried about readers of racist or terrorist websites.
Back in the 1990s my then employer had no option other than to sack their most experienced System Tester because the Engineering Director had climbed on a molehilll and made ringing declarations about auto-sacking which came back to haunt him.
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Of course. If there turns out to be no credible evidence, he shouldn't be fired. But I don't understand this "it's just porn, who cares?" attitudeJonnyJimmy said:
I hope you live in a country where being accused of doing so a decade ago by bent cops with a grudge isn't a firing offence.Stereotomy said:Have I been living in some parallel universe where watching and saving porn on a work computer is normally a firing offense?
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If he was looking at porn using his work computer that's not great but isn't a sacking offence. If he was found to have lied to the House, I believe that may be a worse offence.GIN1138 said:
Most people seem to be missing that (which is the actual thing he would be sacked for in any other work place) in the titillation of the fact the DPM might have looked at porn.MikeSmithson said:So Damian Green has looked at porn. So what? What should concern us was that he was naive enough to do this on a work computer using his work's internet system
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On the other hand, as I know from having been researching my options for when my tariff expires in January, the current pricing is ridiculously complicated. My current supplier, Co-op energy, supplies just two products, gas and electricity. Yet according to comparison websites they seem to have about fifty tariffs to choose from. How can this make any sense?HYUFD said:
At least with different electricity companies available you can switch if you are unhappy with one provider which would not be the case if there was only one state owned provider again as there used to be under the old Central Electricity Generating Board until Thatcher privatised it.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.0 -
You've never worked on a development floor, I take it.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t get why someone would look at porn at work. You’re just asking for trouble there. It’s much easier to just do it in your own time, I’m not quite sure why some can’t just leaving it at that.
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On topic, this is absolutely right. The porn doesn't matter, but the power games involved matter a lot.
Relatedly, British MPs have created a huge trap for themselves in the form of a thing called the Digital Economy Act, which requires age verification to view porn. Age verification is going to be done by making individuals put their personal information into databases controlled by various private corporations.
The upshot is that whoever owns, buys or hacks these databases will have access to embarrassing secrets about politicians, police and judges.
Vice has the detail:
https://www.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/9kqp43/uk-porn-is-about-to-change-in-a-way-youre-not-going-to-like
Looking not very far into the future:
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Well what do you expect from someone who read PPE at Oxford, they've not experienced real life.IanB2 said:
Clearly you missed your vocation as a defence barrister?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 was going through the Commons then, so accessing porn might have been done for research purposes of that.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t get why someone would look at porn at work. You’re just asking for trouble there. It’s much easier to just do it in your own time, I’m not quite sure why some can’t just leaving it at that.
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eg In the case I just mentioned, the System Tester pressed a button to start something running, then waited 2 or 3 minutes for the test to run. 8 hours of that is very tedious, with lots of intervals.MaxPB said:
You've never worked on a development floor, I take it.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t get why someone would look at porn at work. You’re just asking for trouble there. It’s much easier to just do it in your own time, I’m not quite sure why some can’t just leaving it at that.
I don't see why people get so het-up about other people viewing porn. This is no longer the age of Mary Poppins or Evangelical Victorian Missionaries, so let's stop behaving as if it was.0 -
Nevertheless threads that don't refer to your namesake are to be cherished.Sean_F said:
It seems to me that luck is the biggest determinant of literary success. Some people write great books that are deservedly popular. More people write great books that sink without trace. And some people write complete crap which is hugely popular.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4, are you in Beijing? Happened to see on Twitter that Mr. T is as well.
Mr. F, not quite the same but I know of a male writer who adopted a female pseudonym for writing romantic fiction.
Reminds me of when some frequent twitterers attacked me for saying books should be judged by quality not demographics of the author. I pointed out that the top 20 in sci-fi/fantasy on Amazon was 50% female, but 90% or so of romance was female. My use of evidence of course made no impact upon the foam-flecked cretins*.
Edited extra bit: *who maintained that men have an evil patriarchal advantage in the sphere of writing.0 -
I have to teach domestic electricity as part of the GCSE so doing calculations involving kWh. It seems to be almost impossible to find out online how much each supplier charges for a unit of electricity without giving far mor information than should be needed.IanB2 said:
On the other hand, as I know from having been researching my options for when my tariff expires in January, the current pricing is ridiculously complicated. My current supplier, Co-op energy, supplies just two products, gas and electricity. Yet according to comparison websites they seem to have about fifty tariffs to choose from. How can this make any sense?HYUFD said:
At least with different electricity companies available you can switch if you are unhappy with one provider which would not be the case if there was only one state owned provider again as there used to be under the old Central Electricity Generating Board until Thatcher privatised it.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.0 -
@TheScreamingEagles LOL, the good old research purposes excuse....0
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I wondered if that might have been involved.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 was going through the Commons then, so accessing porn might have been done for research purposes of that.The_Apocalypse said:I don’t get why someone would look at porn at work. You’re just asking for trouble there. It’s much easier to just do it in your own time, I’m not quite sure why some can’t just leaving it at that.
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Because it's next to police corruption.Stereotomy said:
Of course. If there turns out to be no credible evidence, he shouldn't be fired. But I don't understand this "it's just porn, who cares?" attitudeJonnyJimmy said:
I hope you live in a country where being accused of doing so a decade ago by bent cops with a grudge isn't a firing offence.Stereotomy said:Have I been living in some parallel universe where watching and saving porn on a work computer is normally a firing offense?
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Use comparethemarket.com or Money Supermarket to compare the best deal based on your needs, if the electricity companies are nationalised again under a Corbyn government you will not get that choice, you will have to take the deal the state owned company gives you.IanB2 said:
On the other hand, as I know from having been researching my options for when my tariff expires in January, the current pricing is ridiculously complicated. My current supplier, Co-op energy, supplies just two products, gas and electricity. Yet according to comparison websites they seem to have about fifty tariffs to choose from. How can this make any sense?HYUFD said:
At least with different electricity companies available you can switch if you are unhappy with one provider which would not be the case if there was only one state owned provider again as there used to be under the old Central Electricity Generating Board until Thatcher privatised it.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.0 -
I am pleased nevertheless that modern physics is instilling in pupils some skills that might prove useful in later life...Fysics_Teacher said:
I have to teach domestic electricity as part of the GCSE so doing calculations involving kWh. It seems to be almost impossible to find out online how much each supplier charges for a unit of electricity without giving far mor information than should be needed.IanB2 said:
On the other hand, as I know from having been researching my options for when my tariff expires in January, the current pricing is ridiculously complicated. My current supplier, Co-op energy, supplies just two products, gas and electricity. Yet according to comparison websites they seem to have about fifty tariffs to choose from. How can this make any sense?HYUFD said:
At least with different electricity companies available you can switch if you are unhappy with one provider which would not be the case if there was only one state owned provider again as there used to be under the old Central Electricity Generating Board until Thatcher privatised it.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.0 -
Its so that the supplier can make a profit.IanB2 said:
On the other hand, as I know from having been researching my options for when my tariff expires in January, the current pricing is ridiculously complicated. My current supplier, Co-op energy, supplies just two products, gas and electricity. Yet according to comparison websites they seem to have about fifty tariffs to choose from. How can this make any sense?HYUFD said:
At least with different electricity companies available you can switch if you are unhappy with one provider which would not be the case if there was only one state owned provider again as there used to be under the old Central Electricity Generating Board until Thatcher privatised it.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.
On some of the tarrifs and with some of its customers there wont be any profit and with others there will be lots.
The 'clever' customers who regularly switch to cheaper deals and make use of cashback sites are effectively getting subsidised by the lazy / stupid / loyal customers who are getting ripped off.
Ditto with insurance, airlines, supermarkets.
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There are literally millions of businesses for which the same can be said.edmundintokyo said:On topic, this is absolutely right. The porn doesn't matter, but the power games involved matter a lot.
Relatedly, British MPs have created a huge trap for themselves in the form of a thing called the Digital Economy Act, which requires age verification to view porn. Age verification is going to be done by making individuals put their personal information into databases controlled by various private corporations.
The upshot is that whoever owns, buys or hacks these databases will have access to embarrassing secrets about politicians, police and judges.
Vice has the detail:
https://www.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/9kqp43/uk-porn-is-about-to-change-in-a-way-youre-not-going-to-like
Looking not very far into the future:
https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/9347565472925327360 -
You mean knowing how to design a nuclear power station isn't something everybody uses every day?IanB2 said:
I am pleased nevertheless that modern physics is instilling in pupils some skills that might prove useful in later life...Fysics_Teacher said:
I have to teach domestic electricity as part of the GCSE so doing calculations involving kWh. It seems to be almost impossible to find out online how much each supplier charges for a unit of electricity without giving far mor information than should be needed.IanB2 said:
On the other hand, as I know from having been researching my options for when my tariff expires in January, the current pricing is ridiculously complicated. My current supplier, Co-op energy, supplies just two products, gas and electricity. Yet according to comparison websites they seem to have about fifty tariffs to choose from. How can this make any sense?HYUFD said:
At least with different electricity companies available you can switch if you are unhappy with one provider which would not be the case if there was only one state owned provider again as there used to be under the old Central Electricity Generating Board until Thatcher privatised it.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.0 -
A Corbyn Govt. would be very bad news for comparethemarket.comHYUFD said:
Use comparethemarket.com or Money Supermarket to compare the best deal based on your needs, if the electricity companies are nationalised again under a Corbyn government you will not get that choice, you will have to take the deal the state owned company gives you.IanB2 said:
On the other hand, as I know from having been researching my options for when my tariff expires in January, the current pricing is ridiculously complicated. My current supplier, Co-op energy, supplies just two products, gas and electricity. Yet according to comparison websites they seem to have about fifty tariffs to choose from. How can this make any sense?HYUFD said:
At least with different electricity companies available you can switch if you are unhappy with one provider which would not be the case if there was only one state owned provider again as there used to be under the old Central Electricity Generating Board until Thatcher privatised it.Pong said:
A choice of which utility company to get f*cked over by?HYUFD said:
If people want to nationalise energy companies they can vote for Corbyn Labour who are committed to that policy, Tories are not going to deny them a choice of energy company.Pong said:https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/energy/2017/12/spark-energy-customers-chased-for-payment-by-debt-collectors-before-bills-are-due
Time to nationalise the energy companies. Put an end to this bullsh*t.
That's what 77% of the public wants.
Come on tories. Do it.
Take back control.
That is most peoples experience of utility companies. The right think they can shrug their shoulders. They can't.
It's a political problem that resonates widely - with a simple, sensible solution.
Will nobody think of the poor meerkats? Heartless bastard, that Jeremy Corbyn.....
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