Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
For those thinking of betting on this market- there’s a good wiki article on guests to the last royal wedding. Hague went so I would think Boris is a good bet.
Inviting Barack but not Trump would be quite a snub (and I think certain he would take it personally) for this reason I think Trump is a better bet than Obama.
Both might be invited. They might not be equally likely to attend.
Donald Trump, like Teddy Roosevelt, wants to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. I can't see him wanting to sit in the third row mutely. He won't attend whether or not invited.
I think it would be more accurate to say The Donald wants to be the groom at every wedding...he's had a fair bit of practice already.
For those thinking of betting on this market- there’s a good wiki article on guests to the last royal wedding. Hague went so I would think Boris is a good bet.
Inviting Barack but not Trump would be quite a snub (and I think certain he would take it personally) for this reason I think Trump is a better bet than Obama.
Both might be invited. They might not be equally likely to attend.
Donald Trump, like Teddy Roosevelt, wants to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. I can't see him wanting to sit in the third row mutely. He won't attend whether or not invited.
There will be a large contingent invited because they are associated with the Invictus Games, don't forget.....
Can't keep track of the royals. Do many people really care who this fellow Harry marries, apart from just nebulously thinking "That's nice"?
Harry is, as I have said before on here, hot. And now, sadly, unavailable.
It is nice to have a bit of good news. Weddings are always fun.
To be a tiny bit serious, though, there is some symbolic value in the fact that someone who is part African-American, part Irish is marrying into the Royal Family. It reflects the way society increasingly is these days. It shows an openness which is welcome. And the fact that Harry has been so critical of the racist abuse that his fiancé received is also a good symbol, much as his mother's willingness to touch Aids victims was, long before this became fashionable.
The general over-the-top wedding bollocks we will be subjected to is tiresome. But nice for Harry and for his family / friends that he has found someone he loves who seems lovely and intelligent and not simply a simpering clothes horse.
And if it gives those who are interested a bit of a cheer in gloomy days, what's the problem?
Better this than reading about middle aged men sweating over porn or leering at young employees.
That is a good point. We have come a long way since the establishment was shuddering at the prospect of Diana marrying a muslim.
If someone in line to the throne looked like they’d plan to, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a shudder return.
In response to the above:-
"Worth noting that Miss Markle is also a Catholic. Which is probably more significant for the British Royal Family, in terms of symbolism. Britain is still a country where members of one religion are specifically barred from being Head of State. I don't particularly care about this and understand the historical and constitutional reasons for it. But given how exercised others are by discrimination of all types it is a touch odd that constitutional discrimination of this limited type should still be seen as OK in these supposedly more enlightened times."
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Can't keep track of the royals. Do many people really care who this fellow Harry marries, apart from just nebulously thinking "That's nice"?
Harry is, as I have said before on here, hot. And now, sadly, unavailable.
It is nice to have a bit of good news. Weddings are always fun.
To be a tiny bit serious, though, there is some symbolic value in the fact that someone who is part African-American, part Irish is marrying into the Royal Family. It reflects the way society increasingly is these days. It shows an openness which is welcome. And the fact that Harry has been so critical of the racist abuse that his fiancé received is also a good symbol, much as his mother's willingness to touch Aids victims was, long before this became fashionable.
The general over-the-top wedding bollocks we will be subjected to is tiresome. But nice for Harry and for his family / friends that he has found someone he loves who seems lovely and intelligent and not simply a simpering clothes horse.
And if it gives those who are interested a bit of a cheer in gloomy days, what's the problem?
Better this than reading about middle aged men sweating over porn or leering at young employees.
That is a good point. We have come a long way since the establishment was shuddering at the prospect of Diana marrying a muslim.
If someone in line to the throne looked like they’d plan to, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a shudder return.
In response to the above:-
"Worth noting that Miss Markle is also a Catholic. Which is probably more significant for the British Royal Family, in terms of symbolism. Britain is still a country where members of one religion are specifically barred from being Head of State. I don't particularly care about this and understand the historical and constitutional reasons for it. But given how exercised others are by discrimination of all types it is a touch odd that constitutional discrimination of this limited type should still be seen as OK in these supposedly more enlightened times."
I don’t think it really is seen as ok as such, just that given the historical reasons for it and the technical relationship between the church and the monarchy that you mention, it is a constitutional question no one really wants to get around to correcting until we really really have to because of the headaches it would cause, and so everyone just sort of ignores it, or can agree its an issue but there’s no actual discrimination going on right now to worry about it (we’ll ignore the other possibility, of defending it on the basis of the very nature of the role of our head of state is discriminatory as it applies to one family, so any additional rules about types of person are irrelevant).
For those thinking of betting on this market- there’s a good wiki article on guests to the last royal wedding. Hague went so I would think Boris is a good bet.
Inviting Barack but not Trump would be quite a snub (and I think certain he would take it personally) for this reason I think Trump is a better bet than Obama.
Both might be invited. They might not be equally likely to attend.
Donald Trump, like Teddy Roosevelt, wants to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. I can't see him wanting to sit in the third row mutely. He won't attend whether or not invited.
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Literal translation - He who was made Lord. That’s kind of cool. I think there was an Incan (or other southern american) leader who’s name meant ‘He who shakes the earth’, which is similarly awesome.
Days like today bring out my inner republican. Time to find a nuclear shelter to sit out the next few days' fawning.
I like Prince Harry, and today's brought out my inner monarchist.
... an updated avatar in the offing?
Yup, just changed my profile pic to celebrate this momentous day.
Oh you cheeky bugger.
I'm in mourning too, this means Meghan Markle and Patrick J. Adams are leaving Suits.
How exactly can you have Suits without the foundation of the show?
They can have a Remainer storyline where the sky actually does fall in, and the character is crushed with just her feet showing. Didn't that happen to somebody in The Wizard of Oz?
That will throw a bone to the Republicans to cheer them up.
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Mr. kle4, Poseidon's often referred to as the Earthshaker in the Iliad (he was god of earthquakes as well as the sea). In statues he took on the form of a horse. Some believe the Trojan horse was really a statue to Poseidon, following an earthquake that tumbled the walls.
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Days like today bring out my inner republican. Time to find a nuclear shelter to sit out the next few days' fawning.
I like Prince Harry, and today's brought out my inner monarchist.
I have no objection to Prince Harry. It's the cringing deference to the news that irks me.
It's more about "it" than it is about them, although as celebrities, it's also about him and her.
Royal weddings act as milestone markers in our national story that all can unite, celebrate and reflect around.
Also the fawning and deference is massively lower than it was in the 1980s. I remember watching both the Charles-Diana and Andrew-Fergie weddings at school, look at the footage again and it is far more toe curling than today. The royal divorces, the annus horribilis and the death of Diana seem to have killed off the old level of deference, and good thing too. These days I don't think it's any more than showing courteous respect to the royal family and, of course, feeding the celebrity obsessed culture we live in.
Automatic deference, yes.
That doesn't mean individual Royals cannot win the admiration and respect of people on their own merits, who are then genuinely pleased for them when they find happiness.
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Could be fun sitting the Emir of Qatar next to the Saudi Royals......
Right back to Yes Prime Minsiter of course. To whit (paraphrase);
We can’t have alphabetical seating in the abbey, you’ll have Iraq and Iran next to each other. Plus Israel and Jordan all sitting at the same pew, we’d be in danger of starting WW3. I know Ireland begins with an I, but that does’nt make it better, Ireland doesn’t make anything any better!
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Personal dislike doesn't enter into it when you're a Royal.
Mr. kle4, Poseidon's often referred to as the Earthshaker in the Iliad (he was god of earthquakes as well as the sea). In statues he took on the form of a horse. Some believe the Trojan horse was really a statue to Poseidon, following an earthquake that tumbled the walls.
I learned everything I know about Greek mythology from the Age of Mythology spinoff of the Age of Empires series. Spoiler alert, in that one Poseidon was a bad guy. Good game, and well worth a replay - a particularly clever expansion pack story with it.
Mr. Royale, I did find the argument above (forget who said it) that inviting Obama but not Trump is unlikely quite persuasive. Still not inclined to bet (don't have an account anyway).
Mr. kle4, I learnt about time being the fourth dimension and transmogrification from Sonic the Hedgehog books, as well as snippets from the Civpaedia[sp] on Civilization II.
For that matter, videogames are the only thing that have stopped me forgetting all the German I learnt at A-level.
Can I just say, it's nice to have a thread where pb.com's sense of good-natured mischief can still run riot. Seems it's been a while....
Do you think they'll serve pineapple on pizzas at Harry and Meghan's wedding reception?
Only if they want to provoke a constitutional crisis. Catholics are prohibited from being heads of state, you think the Bill of Rights permits pineapple on pizza enthusiasts to marry into our great royal family, at any level?
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Elected from the hereditary Sultans and Rajahs of the Malay States, although in practice they just take it in turns based on seniority at independence.
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Can I just say, it's nice to have a thread where pb.com's sense of good-natured mischief can still run riot. Seems it's been a while....
Do you think they'll serve pineapple on pizzas at Harry and Meghan's wedding reception?
Only if they want to provoke a constitutional crisis. Catholics are prohibited from being heads of state, you think the Bill of Rights permits pineapple on pizza enthusiasts to marry into our great royal family, at any level?
Whilst the Monarch is the Head of the Church of England, Catholics cannot be head of state.
The issue with marrying one is that they would either have to renounce their Catholicism, or be obliged to raise their heirs as catholics, which would be a problem for obvious reasons.
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Can't keep track of the royals. Do many people really care who this fellow Harry marries, apart from just nebulously thinking "That's nice"?
It's not terrifically difficult - Charles and Diana only had two sons, you might recall. Anyone capable of following the various iterations of the shadow cabinet ought not to have too much trouble....
Can't keep track of the royals. Do many people really care who this fellow Harry marries, apart from just nebulously thinking "That's nice"?
It's not terrifically difficult - Charles and Diana only had two sons, you might recall. Anyone capable of following the various iterations of the shadow cabinet ought not to have too much trouble....
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Literal translation - He who was made Lord. That’s kind of cool. I think there was an Incan (or other southern american) leader who’s name meant ‘He who shakes the earth’, which is similarly awesome.
Dalai Lama is The Ocean of Wisdom...doubt whether he'll be attending....
Mr. B, it's certainly easier than when Constantine the Great called his sons (except the one he killed) by the rather confusing names of Constantine, Constantius, and Constans.
An admission we are in serious danger. Big Sam can at least get a team to defend and put in a modicum of effort. In terms of a squad this would be the best he's had since Bolton.
Mr. Dean, once the current Dalai Lama dies things will become complicated. China passed a law roughly to the effect that reincarnation requires state approval. That sounds silly, except that the Dalai Lama is determined by reincarnation, so we may well end up with two, one approved by the Chinese state, and one not.
On the topic, it would be good to see the wedding held in one of the Chapel Royals. The St James Palace one would be suitable as a symbol for a more-bicycling-than-previously monarchy. Mr Trump could come from Grosvenor Square on a parade of Boris Bikes.
Off the topic, is Mr Varadkar still up his tree threatening to saw the branch off unless somebody else supplies a Fire Engine?
Even more off the topic, does Prince Willy get to inherit the New Guinea Penis Gourd official position from the Duke of Edinburgh?
Mr. B, it's certainly easier than when Constantine the Great called his sons (except the one he killed) by the rather confusing names of Constantine, Constantius, and Constans.
Mr. Dean, once the current Dalai Lama dies things will become complicated. China passed a law roughly to the effect that reincarnation requires state approval. That sounds silly, except that the Dalai Lama is determined by reincarnation, so we may well end up with two, one approved by the Chinese state, and one not.
We used to have a few concurrent Popes, Avignon Popes, and Anti-Popes.
Mr. kle4, he did go nuts towards the end and was an egomaniac, renaming Byzantium as Constantinople. On the other hand, moving the capital there ensured that the Eastern Empire, as it became, lasted for over a thousand years. But for that, most/all of Europe would've fallen to the Turks.
Mr. Dean, once the current Dalai Lama dies things will become complicated. China passed a law roughly to the effect that reincarnation requires state approval. That sounds silly, except that the Dalai Lama is determined by reincarnation, so we may well end up with two, one approved by the Chinese state, and one not.
I seemed to remember John Oliver did a segment on this and the Chinese have already said that they will choose the new Dalai Lama, so not an if.
Mr. Royale, I'm not so sure about Trump getting an invite. If the future Princess Meghan doesn't like him, that's a big problem for him. And if Obama didn't get an invite, that's a recent precedent.
Plus the order, I think, of importance in guests is: British royalty foreign royalty British politicians foreign politicians
So Trump's a disliked member of the least prestigious category.
Put commonwealth politicians between the British and foreign ones, and he’s even lower down.
I think it's foreign heads of state second, whether Kings or Presidents.
Literal translation - He who was made Lord. That’s kind of cool. I think there was an Incan (or other southern american) leader who’s name meant ‘He who shakes the earth’, which is similarly awesome.
Dalai Lama is The Ocean of Wisdom...doubt whether he'll be attending....
it is of course the case, and I hope not a portent, that The Duke of Cambridge could be named/is also William Aetheling.
On the topic, it would be good to see the wedding held in one of the Chapel Royals. The St James Palace one would be suitable as a symbol for a more-bicycling-than-previously monarchy. Mr Trump could come from Grosvenor Square on a parade of Boris Bikes.
Off the topic, is Mr Varadkar still up his tree threatening to saw the branch off unless somebody else supplies a Fire Engine?
Even more off the topic, does Prince Willy get to inherit the New Guinea Penis Gourd official position from the Duke of Edinburgh?
Unlikely. Prince Edward becomes Duke of Edinburgh once his Father has passed away and his brother is King.
I've had a fiver each on Chelsy Davy and Cressida Bonas, who I reckon are both good value at 33/1.
Harry seems a decent sort, and I don't see why he wouldn't invite them to show bygones are bygones, and he's the bigger man.
Even non-royals have a no ex policy on weddings
Incorrect.
In which case they are incorrect.
So I was incorrect then at my wedding?
Well, I am not about to get personal by sharing my thoughts about the correctness of behaviour at your wedding.
I don't think it's a big deal. I had two of my exes. She had two of hers.
We're all grown-ups.
Not everyone on either side of the equation may be so reasonable and grown up, certainly no one need be judged for not inviting an ex, or the ex not wanting to attend.
Mr. B, it's certainly easier than when Constantine the Great called his sons (except the one he killed) by the rather confusing names of Constantine, Constantius, and Constans.
Sounds like he had an ego problem.
He just wanted to ensure his legacy would be "Cons gain EVERYWHERE...."
Well bugger that then. Bring back republicanism!any Cromwell’s in politics at the moment?
If I were in Parliament I'd be the modern day Cromwell.
Take back control from the unelected Monarch.
We spend x million a week on the Royals, let's give that money to the NHS instead.
If you were the modern day Cromwell you’d for one not be the first one to lead the push toward republicanism, and you’d need to be a religious fanatic, so if you get the chance p,at it cool, that’s how you,ll end up on top - no, I meant literally, we’ve only known one dynasty of republican leaders, I feel at the least we’d need someone with that same last name. It’s how several presidential republics work today.
Mr. B, it's certainly easier than when Constantine the Great called his sons (except the one he killed) by the rather confusing names of Constantine, Constantius, and Constans.
George Foreman has five sons, all named George. Closer to politics, didn't Nigel Lawson start off down that route?
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http://medwaymarxist.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/baby-oleg-has-two-daddies-compare.html?m=1
But you are right, it seems; non-royal Heads of State are not a category at all, which surprises me.
Surely Harry's dad gets in free...
Harry seems a decent sort, and I don't see why he wouldn't invite them to show bygones are bygones, and he's the bigger man.
That will throw a bone to the Republicans to cheer them up.
And going by the Duke of Cambridge list - the PM of Australia, Corbyn & Sturgeon will all be there sucking wasps.....
That doesn't mean individual Royals cannot win the admiration and respect of people on their own merits, who are then genuinely pleased for them when they find happiness.
We can’t have alphabetical seating in the abbey, you’ll have Iraq and Iran next to each other. Plus Israel and Jordan all sitting at the same pew, we’d be in danger of starting WW3. I know Ireland begins with an I, but that does’nt make it better, Ireland doesn’t make anything any better!
It's bloody difficult.
'So how do you know the bride and groom?'
'Well I used bump uglies with the bride'
Different rules of the game.
A lot of people (on here, on Twitter and elsewhere) are simply virtue-signalling their Republicanism today.
I see it as no big deal.
Mr. kle4, I learnt about time being the fourth dimension and transmogrification from Sonic the Hedgehog books, as well as snippets from the Civpaedia[sp] on Civilization II.
For that matter, videogames are the only thing that have stopped me forgetting all the German I learnt at A-level.
To be honest I was still reeling from her mother's revelation that she would preferred me to be the one marrying her daughter.
Meghan may be Bridezilla and have plans.
The issue with marrying one is that they would either have to renounce their Catholicism, or be obliged to raise their heirs as catholics, which would be a problem for obvious reasons.
Anyone capable of following the various iterations of the shadow cabinet ought not to have too much trouble....
*gets coat*
Off the topic, is Mr Varadkar still up his tree threatening to saw the branch off unless somebody else supplies a Fire Engine?
Even more off the topic, does Prince Willy get to inherit the New Guinea Penis Gourd official position from the Duke of Edinburgh?
It turns out alright in the end, eventually.
Mr. Urquhart, I was unaware of that, so cheers for the info.
We're all grown-ups.
http://fortune.com/2017/11/25/lost-bitcoins/
4 million at nearly $8.5k a pop, thats, starts counting on fingers...errhhhh.....a lot.
Take back control from the unelected Monarch.
We spend x million a week on the Royals, let's give that money to the NHS instead.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/millions-benefits-frozen-tories-confirm-11596715
Mr. Eagles, your deviant republicanism is to be expected from someone with no appreciation of history or learning its lessons.
https://www.theverge.com/2013/11/29/5156246/7-5-million-bitcoins-on-hard-drive-thrown-away-in-uk
Now worth $75 million.
https://twitter.com/GPollowitz/status/935137064068308993