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These are indeed turbulent times at Westminster with two Cabinet exits in the space of a week. Now Hill’s have opened a market on not WHO will be the next to go but WHEN. These are the options and odds:
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First!!!
Unlike Boris and Priti
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Second - Like Remain! 0
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Thank god JohnO isn't a member of the cabinet, he's a Balliol boy.0
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On topic, here's hoping we don't in short order get the headline "Penny Dreadful"......0
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My claim to be first seems to have vanished. Boris will have to be sacked. He’s got too much ‘front’...... more than Blackpool ...... to resign, however much a Horlicks he makes of things!0
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OH FFS, this paradise paper stuff is real barrel scraping,
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/09/revealed-scheme-gary-lineker-tax-barbados-home?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
You have to read it really carefully to find that he didn’t do this to really avoid tax.
Nobody would go through setting up and managing a company with sole aim of avoiding 3.5% of stamp duty / transfer tax on a holiday home. The lawyers fees and management of the company etc will eat most of that. *
It is down to the fact in the future you are restricted by law there on how much of that money you could take out of the country. No idiot given the choice would potentially want to have a load of money locked in another country if you sold your house.
* In comparison, these schemes of company purchases of homes have become attractive in the UK because of the 12% rate and council tax etc.0 -
Rory Stewart was at Balliol. I take back what I said about Tim Nice-but-dim in the last thread; clearly this is why Theresa May passed him over for promotion.TheScreamingEagles said:Thank god JohnO isn't a member of the cabinet, he's a Balliol boy.
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I'm not sure that the government's reputation is enhanced by replacing one Brexit-loving Secretary of State who seemed to have some difficulty with the concept of candour with another one who unblushingly told a straight untruth in an effort to convert the public to her mad cause.0
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Well, I may not be first, but at least I'm not the hairy princess....0
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Guardian website has just added this: Ref https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/nov/09/theresa-may-under-pressure-to-replace-patel-with-brexit-enthusiast-politics-live#5a045f1e2be44207484bf72b_
'Here is the full quote from Boris Johnson on Fox News about President Trump. The presenter put it to Johnson that Trump was getting a lot of negative press in the US, and he asked how people outside America saw him. He replied:
I think you’ve got to realise that the American president is just one of the huge, great global brands, and he is penetrating corners of the global consciousness that I think few other presidents have ever done. So his method of tweeting earlier in the morning, no matter how rambunctious those tweets may be, they are communicating with people. And, yes, a lot of people don’t like it. But a lot of people relate to it. And in an age when people have been turned off politics, it is more direct and it’s more communicative than a lot of previous presidents have managed.’
Just because he’s a creep.0 -
Although it's very hard to tell from the outside, not least because it's very hard to figure out who exactly is in charge in Iran, I think there is a possibility that the Foreign Office might be able to secure Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's release. That would at a stroke transform Boris' position, in the short term at least.0
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Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.
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I get the feeling the Guardian just ran a script with names from Whos Who and any that were found in the documents they have written a piece on them.0
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Unless they are known Labour supporters, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:I get the feeling the Guardian just ran a script with names from Whos Who and any that were found in the documents they have written a piece on them.
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LOL. Although something tells me think Gary Lineker doesn't vote Tory.Richard_Nabavi said:
Unless they are known Labour supporters, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:I get the feeling the Guardian just ran a script with names from Whos Who and any that were found in the documents they have written a piece on them.
I am all for exposing the tax dodgers and the second Panorama programme did spend a fair bit of time highlighting a guy responsible for a very dodgy looking scheme. But all this stuff of Justin Timberlake set up in a company in the Bahamas, to errrhh buy a golf course in the Bahamas, Gary Lineker the same for a holiday home, JRM had shares in a company he worked for is just bollocks.0 -
I heard Carwyn's statement and was very uneasy with his commentsYBarddCwsc said:Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.0 -
This notion that Boris' perceived 'gaffe' is in reality, a bordering on genius strategy to release Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe seems to be gaining traction.Richard_Nabavi said:Although it's very hard to tell from the outside, not least because it's very hard to figure out who exactly is in charge in Iran, I think there is a possibility that the Foreign Office might be able to secure Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's release. That would at a stroke transform Boris' position, in the short term at least.
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I think Boris needs to get on a plane to TehranRichard_Nabavi said:Although it's very hard to tell from the outside, not least because it's very hard to figure out who exactly is in charge in Iran, I think there is a possibility that the Foreign Office might be able to secure Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's release. That would at a stroke transform Boris' position, in the short term at least.
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Carwyn Jones to make public statement at 4.00pmBig_G_NorthWales said:
I heard Carwyn's statement and was very uneasy with his commentsYBarddCwsc said:Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.0 -
Provided the quid quo pro is seen as reasonable. Or, more likely, kept as a dark secret.Richard_Nabavi said:Although it's very hard to tell from the outside, not least because it's very hard to figure out who exactly is in charge in Iran, I think there is a possibility that the Foreign Office might be able to secure Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's release. That would at a stroke transform Boris' position, in the short term at least.
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Boris is both a narcissist and a wrecker - if he is sacked he will try to ensure the government goes with him.OldKingCole said:My claim to be first seems to have vanished. Boris will have to be sacked. He’s got too much ‘front’...... more than Blackpool ...... to resign, however much a Horlicks he makes of things!
Popcorn will be required.0 -
I hope you’re right, but I also suspect that if you’ll believe that .....Mexicanpete said:
This notion that Boris' perceived 'gaffe' is in reality, a bordering on genius strategy to release Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe seems to be gaining traction.Richard_Nabavi said:Although it's very hard to tell from the outside, not least because it's very hard to figure out who exactly is in charge in Iran, I think there is a possibility that the Foreign Office might be able to secure Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's release. That would at a stroke transform Boris' position, in the short term at least.
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I think -- one way or another -- it is the end for Carwyn. He wants to go, and there is an irresistible push coming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I heard Carwyn's statement and was very uneasy with his commentsYBarddCwsc said:Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.
This is a real problem for Welsh Labour, because Carwyn was very good at keeping the balls in the air.
The long-standing rumour is that he wants Ken Skates to succeed him -- the very epitome of a latte-swilling, Oxbridge vowelled, New Labour politician.0 -
And the report by Guido today, if true, is deeply worryingYBarddCwsc said:
I think -- one way or another -- it is the end for Carwyn. He wants to go, and there is an irresistible push coming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I heard Carwyn's statement and was very uneasy with his commentsYBarddCwsc said:Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.
This is a real problem for Welsh Labour, because Carwyn was very good at keeping the balls in the air.
The long-standing rumour is that he wants Ken Skates to succeed him -- the very epitome of a latte-swilling, Oxbridge vowelled, New Labour politician.0 -
Not easy to identify the value here, though if there is any I think it's likely to be in the shorter prices. (Yes, the book is 130%, but that doesn't mean there can't be value somewhere).
April or later would stand out but for the fact that Downing Street must be tempted to carry out a wider-ranging reshuffle (NB the bet is "Leave Post" on WH's website, not "Resign")
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/11983342/When+Will+The+Next+Cabinet+Minister+Leave+Their+Post.html0 -
I hope that is to announce his resignation. He got things badly wrong with Carl Sargeant. He has to acknowledge that and step aside. Whether or not he was directly responsible - he has to take responsibility for what was done in his name.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Carwyn Jones to make public statement at 4.00pmBig_G_NorthWales said:
I heard Carwyn's statement and was very uneasy with his commentsYBarddCwsc said:Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.
A party leader who effectively pushes a colleague into a position where suicide is considered, let alone acted upon, cannot last.0 -
I don't believe that for a moment, but many people now seem to be jumping on that bus!OldKingCole said:
I hope you’re right, but I also suspect that if you’ll believe that .....Mexicanpete said:
This notion that Boris' perceived 'gaffe' is in reality, a bordering on genius strategy to release Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe seems to be gaining traction.Richard_Nabavi said:Although it's very hard to tell from the outside, not least because it's very hard to figure out who exactly is in charge in Iran, I think there is a possibility that the Foreign Office might be able to secure Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's release. That would at a stroke transform Boris' position, in the short term at least.
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Skates has the air of someone with all the sincerity of Blair at his worst.0
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I guess I should be filling my Damian Green as next PM bet slips in the same place as my Sir Michael Fallon as next PM bet slips ?0
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A self correction from the previous thread - the actual figures for average stay in care homes are slightly less than 1.5 years for nursing homes and slightly less 2.5 years for residential care.
My recollection that lower figures than these were being given during the GE debate on the 'dementia tax' appears to be wrong, or at least I cannot find these using a quick Google search.0 -
Please, please; lattes are sipped, not swilled!YBarddCwsc said:
I think -- one way or another -- it is the end for Carwyn. He wants to go, and there is an irresistible push coming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I heard Carwyn's statement and was very uneasy with his commentsYBarddCwsc said:Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.
This is a real problem for Welsh Labour, because Carwyn was very good at keeping the balls in the air.
The long-standing rumour is that he wants Ken Skates to succeed him -- the very epitome of a latte-swilling, Oxbridge vowelled, New Labour politician.0 -
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Perhaps they do things differently in Cardiff.SandyRentool said:Please, please; lattes are sipped, not swilled!
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Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...0
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@EmilyPurser: Just asked @BorisJohnson if he's worried Iranian state TV now quoting him - still brushing it off, saying "we have some difficult consular cases in Iran and we are working on all of them" twitter.com/SkyNews/status…0
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Interesting choice of picture by George Osborne CH.
https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/9286277287980073020 -
Yes, very nasty, especially in the circumstances. Can’t quite see Jones wanting a 'a latte-swilling, Oxbridge vowelled, New Labour politician’ to succeed hime, but I don’t really know enough about Welsh politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the report by Guido today, if true, is deeply worryingYBarddCwsc said:
I think -- one way or another -- it is the end for Carwyn. He wants to go, and there is an irresistible push coming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I heard Carwyn's statement and was very uneasy with his commentsYBarddCwsc said:Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.
This is a real problem for Welsh Labour, because Carwyn was very good at keeping the balls in the air.
The long-standing rumour is that he wants Ken Skates to succeed him -- the very epitome of a latte-swilling, Oxbridge vowelled, New Labour politician.0 -
The potential for a very serious situation involving Saudi, Israel, Iran and the rest of the middle east is there for all to seeScott_P said:Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...
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Penny just walked into no 100
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@youngvulgarian: Why do civil servants avoid the probable next secretary of state for International Development in narrow corridors?
Because one does not simply walk into Mordaunt.0 -
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They could start with the Carers Allowance, which is a disgrace.
£62.70p a week and a credit for national insurance towards a state pension.My daughter had to give up work to look after her severely disabled child.
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Ken Skates represents Clwyd South. I imagine they dip their bara brith in instant and wring it out over the saucer up there....Richard_Nabavi said:
Perhaps they do things differently in Cardiff.SandyRentool said:Please, please; lattes are sipped, not swilled!
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If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.0 -
Whereas I still believe that protocol was followed to a point, Jones' statement on Monday was ill-judged and unwise.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I heard Carwyn's statement and was very uneasy with his commentsYBarddCwsc said:Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.0 -
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Having looked him up in more detail he doesn’t look as unsuitable as might at first appear.OldKingCole said:
Yes, very nasty, especially in the circumstances. Can’t quite see Jones wanting a 'a latte-swilling, Oxbridge vowelled, New Labour politician’ to succeed hime, but I don’t really know enough about Welsh politics.Big_G_NorthWales said:
And the report by Guido today, if true, is deeply worryingYBarddCwsc said:
I think -- one way or another -- it is the end for Carwyn. He wants to go, and there is an irresistible push coming.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I heard Carwyn's statement and was very uneasy with his commentsYBarddCwsc said:Let’s see, I think Carwyn is next ...
Compare & contrast Prescott’s son with Carl Sergeant.
In the first, Labour met queries with a terse "no comment while an investigation is underway”
In the second, Carwyn was trumpeting about it on Welsh TV. That is what will do for him.
This is a real problem for Welsh Labour, because Carwyn was very good at keeping the balls in the air.
The long-standing rumour is that he wants Ken Skates to succeed him -- the very epitome of a latte-swilling, Oxbridge vowelled, New Labour politician.0 -
Jeremy Hunt.oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.0 -
William Hague your time has come.....oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.0 -
Mr. Simon, Gove?0
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I thought about that the other day - would it work having a Foreign Secretary in the Lords? Didn't work out that well for Lord Carrington back in the day. Hague would knock some heads together - that is for sure.welshowl said:
William Hague your time has come.....oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.0 -
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Has the Cabinet Office reported?TheScreamingEagles said:I guess I should be filling my Damian Green as next PM bet slips in the same place as my Sir Michael Fallon as next PM bet slips ?
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I think he would be my candidate under the current circumstances. Though perhaps I might be tempted to move Davis to FCO and put Gove in charge of the negotiations.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Simon, Gove?
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Well it was working fine till Galtieri got involved. No constitutional reason why not.oxfordsimon said:
I thought about that the other day - would it work having a Foreign Secretary in the Lords? Didn't work out that well for Lord Carrington back in the day. Hague would knock some heads together - that is for sure.welshowl said:
William Hague your time has come.....oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.
Actually I think Hague would be the perfect fit for PM right now, the reluctant remainer that the right of the Tories respect and the rest of the country and the EU knows is competent?0 -
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Perhaps she is waiting for him to implode - far harder for him to play the martyr card at a later date if he self-destructs rather than being sacked.Scott_P said:0 -
Cock, cock, cock, cock, cock, cock.
The wit & wisdom of Penny.
She's a homeopathy merchant 'n' all.0 -
Leadsom would have been worse than May.MarqueeMark said:
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hague was always a politician who rose to prominence too young. Had he waited, his chances of becoming PM would have been far greater.welshowl said:
Well it was working fine till Galtieri got involved. No constitutional reason why not.oxfordsimon said:
I thought about that the other day - would it work having a Foreign Secretary in the Lords? Didn't work out that well for Lord Carrington back in the day. Hague would knock some heads together - that is for sure.welshowl said:
William Hague your time has come.....oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.
Actually I think Hague would be the perfect fit for PM right now, the reluctant remainer that the right of the Tories respect and the rest of the country and ythe EU knows is competent?
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And still would be worse. Far worse.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leadsom would have been worse than May.MarqueeMark said:
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
In All out War: Gove planned to be Chancellor, Head of Brexit negotiations and in charge of civil service reform.
Leaving aside the ridiculous workload that would have left him, I think that shows the jobs he wants.
I suspect therefore he would rather take Head of Brexit than FCO.
Perhaps David Davis could be persuaded to switch to FCO?
As an aside - I did enjoy all out war a lot... gripping read in places, full of juicy gossip on Tory rivalries. Felt it was a bit patchier on the Labour stuff where I suspect the author had weaker sources.
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On current form, someone with an Armed Forces background will be very suitable for the DfIDTheuniondivvie said:Cock, cock, cock, cock, cock, cock.
The wit & wisdom of Penny.
She's a homeopathy merchant 'n' all.0 -
Saudi Arabia's attorney general says at least $100bn (£76bn) has been misused through systemic corruption and embezzlement in recent decades.
Sheikh Saud al-Mojeb said 199 people were being held for questioning as part of a sweeping anti-corruption drive that began on Saturday night.0 -
In what sense?oxfordsimon said:
And still would be worse. Far worse.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leadsom would have been worse than May.MarqueeMark said:
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Well, there's an admission.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leadsom would have been worse than May.MarqueeMark said:
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:
So Theresa May was the best Prime Minister on offer at the time.
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Isn't this a pretty good implosion?oxfordsimon said:
Perhaps she is waiting for him to implode - far harder for him to play the martyr card at a later date if he self-destructs rather than being sacked.Scott_P said:
The presumed Mordaunt hiring suggests she feels she needs a careful balance of leavers and remainers.
And to be honest - perhaps she has taken soundings and knows Boris doesn't have the votes to challenge her.
Whereas a replacement Brexiteer might.0 -
Could he be swapped for poor Mrs Ratcliffe?oxfordsimon said:
Perhaps she is waiting for him to implode - far harder for him to play the martyr card at a later date if he self-destructs rather than being sacked.Scott_P said:
Not funny, I know.0 -
Colombian police have discovered 12 tonnes of cocaine in the largest single drug seizure in the country's history.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/41926140/this-is-the-largest-single-drug-seizure-in-colombia-s-history
About a weeks worth of usage in Hollywood then...0 -
Her tone of voice - never less than patronising. Her presentational style is that of a 1950s school deputy head. She just doesn't cut it as a leader and her obvious ambition is not attractive to her colleagues or the voters.OldKingCole said:
In what sense?oxfordsimon said:
And still would be worse. Far worse.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leadsom would have been worse than May.MarqueeMark said:
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:
She is one of the weakest people to sit round the Cabinet table for some time.0 -
Nah.MarqueeMark said:
Well, there's an admission.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leadsom would have been worse than May.MarqueeMark said:
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:
So Theresa May was the best Prime Minister on offer at the time.
Welcome to the club.0 -
Boris is going nowhere, except perhaps No10! Mrs May cannot afford to lose anyone else now, she had her chance this week and she bottled it.oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.0 -
It is pretty close.rkrkrk said:
Isn't this a pretty good implosion?oxfordsimon said:
Perhaps she is waiting for him to implode - far harder for him to play the martyr card at a later date if he self-destructs rather than being sacked.Scott_P said:
The presumed Mordaunt hiring suggests she feels she needs a careful balance of leavers and remainers.
And to be honest - perhaps she has taken soundings and knows Boris doesn't have the votes to challenge her.
Whereas a replacement Brexiteer might.
But I can see Boris just getting frustrated and lashing out at a journalist - and that being the end of it.0 -
The materiality of all drug seizures should be measured against the street price. If that is not going up nothing has been achieved.FrancisUrquhart said:Colombian police have discovered 12 tonnes of cocaine in the largest single drug seizure in the country's history.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/41926140/this-is-the-largest-single-drug-seizure-in-colombia-s-history
About a weeks worth of usage in Hollywood then...0 -
It would seem like a good piece of research to do...DavidL said:
The materiality of all drug seizures should be measured against the street price. If that is not going up nothing has been achieved.FrancisUrquhart said:Colombian police have discovered 12 tonnes of cocaine in the largest single drug seizure in the country's history.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/41926140/this-is-the-largest-single-drug-seizure-in-colombia-s-history
About a weeks worth of usage in Hollywood then...0 -
You may have a point there. If looks could kill, Monday's exchange with Mr Johnson, would have spelled the end for Mrs Bucket.oxfordsimon said:
It is pretty close.rkrkrk said:
Isn't this a pretty good implosion?oxfordsimon said:
Perhaps she is waiting for him to implode - far harder for him to play the martyr card at a later date if he self-destructs rather than being sacked.Scott_P said:
The presumed Mordaunt hiring suggests she feels she needs a careful balance of leavers and remainers.
And to be honest - perhaps she has taken soundings and knows Boris doesn't have the votes to challenge her.
Whereas a replacement Brexiteer might.
But I can see Boris just getting frustrated and lashing out at a journalist - and that being the end of it.0 -
The best that can be said about that is the someone with exceptionally poor judgment will fit right in around this cabinet table.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Not if you don’t want to prove that the war on drugs is over and we lost.FrancisUrquhart said:
It would seem like a good piece of research to do...DavidL said:
The materiality of all drug seizures should be measured against the street price. If that is not going up nothing has been achieved.FrancisUrquhart said:Colombian police have discovered 12 tonnes of cocaine in the largest single drug seizure in the country's history.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/41926140/this-is-the-largest-single-drug-seizure-in-colombia-s-history
About a weeks worth of usage in Hollywood then...0 -
Can chopped off heads be recycled?FrancisUrquhart said:Saudi Arabia's attorney general says at least $100bn (£76bn) has been misused through systemic corruption and embezzlement in recent decades.
Sheikh Saud al-Mojeb said 199 people were being held for questioning as part of a sweeping anti-corruption drive that began on Saturday night.0 -
"And that, your honour, is the case for the defence"FrancisUrquhart said:
It would seem like a good piece of research to do...DavidL said:
The materiality of all drug seizures should be measured against the street price. If that is not going up nothing has been achieved.FrancisUrquhart said:Colombian police have discovered 12 tonnes of cocaine in the largest single drug seizure in the country's history.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/41926140/this-is-the-largest-single-drug-seizure-in-colombia-s-history
About a weeks worth of usage in Hollywood then...0 -
If she is making those sort of calculations then she is barely surviving, never mind leading. Apart from anything else, that logic leads to a cabinet deliberately shorn of talent, which is nothing better than a lingering death.rkrkrk said:
Isn't this a pretty good implosion?oxfordsimon said:
Perhaps she is waiting for him to implode - far harder for him to play the martyr card at a later date if he self-destructs rather than being sacked.Scott_P said:
The presumed Mordaunt hiring suggests she feels she needs a careful balance of leavers and remainers.
And to be honest - perhaps she has taken soundings and knows Boris doesn't have the votes to challenge her.
Whereas a replacement Brexiteer might.
Boris should go. If she wants to avoid a leadership challenge (which doesn't involve an opponent to begin with, let's remember, other than in the minds of those gaming out how the process might end), she needs to simply display strong and stable leadership.0 -
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Only because of events. In terms of doing the job, it worked well enough - though a ForSec in the Lords really needs a cabinet-level No 2 in the Commons to be able to answer there.oxfordsimon said:
I thought about that the other day - would it work having a Foreign Secretary in the Lords? Didn't work out that well for Lord Carrington back in the day. Hague would knock some heads together - that is for sure.welshowl said:
William Hague your time has come.....oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.0 -
Jeremy Hunt, the Arsene Wenger of the government...TheScreamingEagles said:Bring back Dave and his stable cabinets.
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Hague has been very clear that he is finished with front line politics. I really can’t see him coming back.david_herdson said:
Only because of events. In terms of doing the job, it worked well enough - though a ForSec in the Lords really needs a cabinet-level No 2 in the Commons to be able to answer there.oxfordsimon said:
I thought about that the other day - would it work having a Foreign Secretary in the Lords? Didn't work out that well for Lord Carrington back in the day. Hague would knock some heads together - that is for sure.welshowl said:
William Hague your time has come.....oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.0 -
Leadsom's march on parliament. Theresa Villiers literally clutching her pearls ...
And they are all barking....
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/750979473277943808TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
If only so we can all track the flight on FlightRadar.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think Boris needs to get on a plane to TehranRichard_Nabavi said:Although it's very hard to tell from the outside, not least because it's very hard to figure out who exactly is in charge in Iran, I think there is a possibility that the Foreign Office might be able to secure Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe's release. That would at a stroke transform Boris' position, in the short term at least.
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I know it did work - and it happened with DTI (or whatever it was then) with Lord Young and Ken Clarke as a double act IIRCdavid_herdson said:
Only because of events. In terms of doing the job, it worked well enough - though a ForSec in the Lords really needs a cabinet-level No 2 in the Commons to be able to answer there.oxfordsimon said:
I thought about that the other day - would it work having a Foreign Secretary in the Lords? Didn't work out that well for Lord Carrington back in the day. Hague would knock some heads together - that is for sure.welshowl said:
William Hague your time has come.....oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.
The only other time in recent years was the mess when Blair tried to abolish the Lord Chancellor and replace it with SoS for Constitutional Affairs - so you had Charlie Falconer.
But I am not sure that it would be seen as an appropriate step to take now - even though there is plenty of precedent that it can work.0 -
In the same way that David Moyes was possibly the best manager to take over at Man Utd in 2013?MarqueeMark said:
Well, there's an admission.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leadsom would have been worse than May.MarqueeMark said:
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:
So Theresa May was the best Prime Minister on offer at the time.
Welcome to the club.0 -
It's like arguing about who's the best singer in the Saturdays.midwinter said:
In the same way that David Moyes was possibly the best manager to take over at Man Utd in 2013?MarqueeMark said:
Well, there's an admission.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leadsom would have been worse than May.MarqueeMark said:
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:
So Theresa May was the best Prime Minister on offer at the time.
Welcome to the club.
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Pray God we stay out! And I mean truly neutral.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The potential for a very serious situation involving Saudi, Israel, Iran and the rest of the middle east is there for all to seeScott_P said:Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...
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Una or Frankie.AlastairMeeks said:
It's like arguing about who's the best singer in the Saturdays.midwinter said:
In the same way that David Moyes was possibly the best manager to take over at Man Utd in 2013?MarqueeMark said:
Well, there's an admission.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leadsom would have been worse than May.MarqueeMark said:
Given the alternative was May, I rather assumed that was how you would have jumped too.....TheScreamingEagles said:
So Theresa May was the best Prime Minister on offer at the time.
Welcome to the club.0 -
+1dixiedean said:
Pray God we stay out! And I mean truly neutral.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The potential for a very serious situation involving Saudi, Israel, Iran and the rest of the middle east is there for all to seeScott_P said:Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...
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It is well known among our soon to be ex EU partners that the country divided roughly in half. As a shorthand they were told that the educated city dwellers voted REMAIN whereas the less well educated country bumpkins voted LEAVE.midwinter said:
That sort of attitude and the sneering condescension towards working class people in areas of high EU immigration that led to the Leave vote.Roger said:Why do Brexiteers always remind me of Millwall supporters....
WE DONT LIKE TO BE PUSHED AROUND. WE"RE ENGLISH AND WE DO WHAT WE WANT!
Thank God for the Metropolitan elite or we really would be pariahs
I voted Remain because I wanted Cameron and Osborne to stay and consider the economic benefits of the EU trump the disadvantages. However next time you're in Sussex take a stroll through the grimy streets of Bognor Regis, and you might understand the reason why people were happy to vote Leave.
So when the English urinate on the beaches of Benidorm or vomit on the side of Tavernas in Crete it's assumed they're the country bumpkins they didn't previously know existed.
So the only thing keeping our international credibility even vaguely intact are the Metropolitan elite.
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Agree, but which God?dixiedean said:
Pray God we stay out! And I mean truly neutral.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The potential for a very serious situation involving Saudi, Israel, Iran and the rest of the middle east is there for all to seeScott_P said:Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...
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Sadly, Israel Saudi and Iran as well as us all claim to follow the same one.OldKingCole said:
Agree, but which God?dixiedean said:
Pray God we stay out! And I mean truly neutral.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The potential for a very serious situation involving Saudi, Israel, Iran and the rest of the middle east is there for all to seeScott_P said:Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...
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The God with the noodly appendage.OldKingCole said:
Agree, but which God?dixiedean said:
Pray God we stay out! And I mean truly neutral.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The potential for a very serious situation involving Saudi, Israel, Iran and the rest of the middle east is there for all to seeScott_P said:Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...
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Did Charlie not resign?oxfordsimon said:
I know it did work - and it happened with DTI (or whatever it was then) with Lord Young and Ken Clarke as a double act IIRCdavid_herdson said:
Only because of events. In terms of doing the job, it worked well enough - though a ForSec in the Lords really needs a cabinet-level No 2 in the Commons to be able to answer there.oxfordsimon said:
I thought about that the other day - would it work having a Foreign Secretary in the Lords? Didn't work out that well for Lord Carrington back in the day. Hague would knock some heads together - that is for sure.welshowl said:
William Hague your time has come.....oxfordsimon said:If, as and when Boris is forced out (which I feel is probably inevitable now), who is the most likely replacement?
Needs to be solid, reliable, good at detail, decent instincts and able to get to grips with things the minute they walk through the door.
Not many of them round the table at the moment.
The only other time in recent years was the mess when Blair tried to abolish the Lord Chancellor and replace it with SoS for Constitutional Affairs - so you had Charlie Falconer.
But I am not sure that it would be seen as an appropriate step to take now - even though there is plenty of precedent that it can work.0 -
Who's the man on camera left leading the chant?FF43 said:Leadsom's march on parliament. Theresa Villiers literally clutching her pearls ...
And they are all barking....
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/750979473277943808TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Personally I would favour Israel but an Israel/Saudi tag team would be very hard to support. I think we would though.dixiedean said:
Pray God we stay out! And I mean truly neutral.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The potential for a very serious situation involving Saudi, Israel, Iran and the rest of the middle east is there for all to seeScott_P said:Potential foreign diplomatic crisis brewing. Lucky we have such a top team...
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