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The whole subject seemed ripe for farce to mefoxinsoxuk said:
It is rather disturbing, even for a black comedy, because of the underlying facts.dr_spyn said:
What did you think of that? It was bleak, with some comic moments. Thought Simon Russel Beale's Beria helped carry the film. Was surprised to read that some critics claimed it was too serious a topic for a comedy.AndyJS said:Has something happened tonight? Just finished watching The Death Of Stalin.
All the major characters were well played, Beria in particular though Zhukov too.0 -
Not sure Defence Sec would be new member of Cabinet.
Remember Cameron statement that Defence Sec must always be a senior member of the Cabinet - he criticised Labour for passing Defence Sec around too much and giving it to people too junior.
OK, May is not Cameron - but suspect she will be conscious of above thinking.
So more likely current Cabinet Minister gets promoted and then new person comes in at more junior level.0 -
Indeed - that that whole area is so serious and dark makes it even more so, it sounds like.Chris_A said:
The whole subject seemed ripe for farce to mefoxinsoxuk said:
It is rather disturbing, even for a black comedy, because of the underlying facts.dr_spyn said:
What did you think of that? It was bleak, with some comic moments. Thought Simon Russel Beale's Beria helped carry the film. Was surprised to read that some critics claimed it was too serious a topic for a comedy.AndyJS said:Has something happened tonight? Just finished watching The Death Of Stalin.
All the major characters were well played, Beria in particular though Zhukov too.0 -
Agreed about Simon Russel Beale. It was a bit like the Tory cabinet - but with guns.dr_spyn said:
What did you think of that? It was bleak, with some comic moments. Thought Simon Russel Beale's Beria helped carry the film. Was surprised to read that some critics claimed it was too serious a topic for a comedy.AndyJS said:Has something happened tonight? Just finished watching The Death Of Stalin.
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Conservative philosopher Roger Scruton's definition of sexual harassment:CopperSulphate said:Time to lock up any ugly bloke who has ever had sex I think. It would save a lot of time.
"...sexual harassment, which means (to put it honestly) advances made by an unattractive man"
http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/16th-april-2005/20/shameless-and-loveless0 -
Dave's biggest issue was that whilst the UK was fighting two wars, the Defence Secretary was also concurrently Scotland Secretary.MikeL said:Not sure Defence Sec would be new member of Cabinet.
Remember Cameron statement that Defence Sec must always be a senior member of the Cabinet - he criticised Labour for passing Defence Sec around too much and giving it to people too junior.
OK, May is not Cameron - but suspect she will be conscious of above thinking.
So more likely current Cabinet Minister gets promoted and then new person comes in at more junior level.0 -
The Fallon resignation is undeniably odd - I'm going, because of what I did... but I'm not going to tell you what it was.
"fallen below the high standards that we require of the armed forces..."
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"a number of allegations are swirling around, and many of them are obviously false..."
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Most opaque resignation statement ever ?0 -
Fallon as Defence Sec listed at number 7 (out of 23) in Cabinet hierarchy.
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"high standards that we require of the armed forces" = shagging other ranks?Nigelb said:The Fallon resignation is undeniably odd - I'm going, because of what I did... but I'm not going to tell you what it was.
"fallen below the high standards that we require of the armed forces..."
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"a number of allegations are swirling around, and many of them are obviously false..."
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Most opaque resignation statement ever ?
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BBC news says revelations during the day effectively forced May to accept Fallon could not stay in the Cabinet.0
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When is a reshuffle not a reshuffle I wonder. I think you're right how it'llplay out, but it would be possible to say 'no wider reshuffle' but still end up moving a few cabinet ministers around in musical chairs, as you would only be moving those directly related to filling the post you had to replace eg say Transport to Defence, Local government to transport, and newby at local government.Scott_P said:
Thta's a reshuffle, which they have already denied.MikeL said:So more likely current Cabinet Minister gets promoted and then new person comes in at more junior level.
one in, one out
Yes, that is a reshuffle, but it isn't as much of one as widescale moves.0 -
As opposed to several years later, after initially trying to cover it up ?NickPalmer said:
I think that's right. FWIW, Labour has urged the police to investigate and instituted its own investigation by an independent non-party member into the official alleged to have urged a cover-up. Not sure what else they can reasonably do at this stage: it certainly doesn't feel like an attempt to bury it, since both investigations will lead to a result. But I'm also not claiming that Labour is better - in any party you get a few people who behave atrociously plus a good many more who behave dubiously. All you can really do is jump on it when it happens.oxfordsimon said:
I would be careful of making this party political. Because from what various people have been saying, harrassment doesn't restrict itself to particular political beliefs. Nor is it unique to politics.
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A good read. Thanks for the link.AndyJS said:
Conservative philosopher Roger Scruton's definition of sexual harassment:CopperSulphate said:Time to lock up any ugly bloke who has ever had sex I think. It would save a lot of time.
"...sexual harassment, which means (to put it honestly) advances made by an unattractive man"
http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/16th-april-2005/20/shameless-and-loveless0 -
That wasn't really a resignation though.tlg86 said:
Mandelson - the second time?david_herdson said:Is Fallon's the most trivial reason to resign ever - assuming that there isn't something new in tomorrow's papers?
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First Brexit, then Trump, now Ruskies trying to cause a second Indyref
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/9258473461890416640 -
Will they never stop?!TheScreamingEagles said:First Brexit, then Trump, now Ruskies trying to cause a second Indyref
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/9258473461890416640 -
I think the Ruskies also interfered with the AV referendum.kle4 said:
Will they never stop?!TheScreamingEagles said:First Brexit, then Trump, now Ruskies trying to cause a second Indyref
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/9258473461890416640 -
Bit early to say the Tories have plunged into new sleaze crisis though - so far there's been, what, 2 confirmed instances? I'll grant the resignation gives it weight, but let's save the sleaze crisis talk until we've heard something a bit more substantive.0
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How else could so many have voted against? I knew most people agreed with me and Yes really.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think the Ruskies also interfered with the AV referendum.kle4 said:
Will they never stop?!TheScreamingEagles said:First Brexit, then Trump, now Ruskies trying to cause a second Indyref
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/9258473461890416640 -
Quite. I'm including the official who is said to have urged her not to raise it when I say that some people in every party behave atrociously. It's not currently alleged that more than one person urged her to keep it quiet - but let's see what the investigations produce.Nigelb said:
As opposed to several years later, after initially trying to cover it up ?0 -
Well all my punts have moved in but I assume its a very thin market with not alot more than some of us playing.0
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Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty0 -
At least Michael Fallon did the right thing and stood in front of the cameras and confirmed his resignation0
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Defence Secretary resigns:
"Fallon his sword"
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By contrast, I found that to be utter bollocks...but each to their own.kyf_100 said:
A good read. Thanks for the link.AndyJS said:
Conservative philosopher Roger Scruton's definition of sexual harassment:CopperSulphate said:Time to lock up any ugly bloke who has ever had sex I think. It would save a lot of time.
"...sexual harassment, which means (to put it honestly) advances made by an unattractive man"
http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/16th-april-2005/20/shameless-and-loveless0 -
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty0 -
https://twitter.com/pompeyrabbi/status/925036447513575424Big_G_NorthWales said:At least Michael Fallon did the right thing and stood in front of the cameras and confirmed his resignation
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Crest-fallonstjohn said:Defence Secretary resigns:
"Fallon his sword"0 -
Adult Videos?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think the Ruskies also interfered with the AV referendum.kle4 said:
Will they never stop?!TheScreamingEagles said:First Brexit, then Trump, now Ruskies trying to cause a second Indyref
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/925847346189041664
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On Defence Sec, surely it's got to be Mordaunt - she's vaguely capable (not that it seems to matter these days), has the respect of forces having served and the optics are too good. Another woman breaking up the boys club, and one that's relatively well known having done reality TV.
The interesting question is who's next? Depending on what he has actually done or not done beyond what we know, Fallon may have unintentionally lowered the bar for resignation. It was a problem for Blair in that in the earlier 'whiter than white' phase he and Alastair Campbell fired people for the merest hint of impropriety - which haunted Labour later when any mishap was leapt on as grounds for dismissal and became a huge ongoing story.0 -
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty0 -
Fair enough.NickPalmer said:
Quite. I'm including the official who is said to have urged her not to raise it when I say that some people in every party behave atrociously. It's not currently alleged that more than one person urged her to keep it quiet - but let's see what the investigations produce.Nigelb said:
As opposed to several years later, after initially trying to cover it up ?
It does seem that the systems for dealing with complaints, such as they are, for all of our political parties, are an incoherent mess.
Which does no one any good.
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Fallon Angel......Sunil_Prasannan said:
Crest-fallonstjohn said:Defence Secretary resigns:
"Fallon his sword"0 -
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I can only assume there is more. On its own, this would be a ridiculous reason for resignation.dr_spyn said:0 -
Still no news on what this new allegation actually was.0
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Sun - headline - PestMinister.0
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Would have saved a lot of grief for David Mellor...CopperSulphate said:Time to lock up any ugly bloke who has ever had sex I think. It would save a lot of time.
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Mourdant would change the former Remain/Leave balance on the cabinet committees.MJW said:On Defence Sec, surely it's got to be Mordaunt - she's vaguely capable (not that it seems to matter these days), has the respect of forces having served and the optics are too good. Another woman breaking up the boys club, and one that's relatively well known having done reality TV.
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The country's gone BONKERS!!!0
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Peston's involved???dr_spyn said:Sun - headline - PestMinister.
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Ellwood would be betterMJW said:On Defence Sec, surely it's got to be Mordaunt - she's vaguely capable (not that it seems to matter these days), has the respect of forces having served and the optics are too good. Another woman breaking up the boys club, and one that's relatively well known having done reality TV.
The interesting question is who's next? Depending on what he has actually done or not done beyond what we know, Fallon may have unintentionally lowered the bar for resignation. It was a problem for Blair in that in the earlier 'whiter than white' phase he and Alastair Campbell fired people for the merest hint of impropriety - which haunted Labour later when any mishap was leapt on as grounds for dismissal and became a huge ongoing story.0 -
Making hardcore Remainer wailing even less significant.Drutt said:
Five-sixths of UK trade is with the UK, of course. Only a sixth is exports.HYUFD said:
45% of UK trade is not covered by trade with the EU/EEA or any EU trade deal, indeed the EU does not have a trade deal with the UK's largest national trading partner, the USA, or the world's second largest economy, China.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty0 -
It really hasRoger said:The country's gone BONKERS!!!
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Wow - BBC have to stick a "may be disturbing" in front of Fallon's statement.
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Perhaps since issuing those reassurances, the Express has actually met him.Stark_Dawning said:
Strange. The Express was previously assuring us that Liam had it all covered:TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/756237/politics-brexit-liam-fox-free-trade-deals-global-britain
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761650/Liam-Fox-trade-agreements-Brexit-European-Union
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/759712/brexit-trade-deals-liam-fox-toronto-canada-speech-britain-us-canada-lead-world-liberty0 -
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Newsnight - "The problem with men".
Sorry for existing guys.0 -
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It also conveys an oddly courtly view of the armed forces - we can reasonably argue that most soldiers are brave, or perhaps daring, but are they noticeably chaste? My father's family were traditionally military. I wouldn't have said that the ones I knew would have been greatly disturbed by the odd knee-pat.Nigelb said:The Fallon resignation is undeniably odd - I'm going, because of what I did... but I'm not going to tell you what it was.
"fallen below the high standards that we require of the armed forces..."
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"a number of allegations are swirling around, and many of them are obviously false..."
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Most opaque resignation statement ever ?0 -
Well, I hope Julia Hartley-Brewer is doing the paper review tonight...0
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Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now0
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PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
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The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
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So a group of female Tory MPs took new Fallon allegations to No 10 today. Fallon didn't deny them. May decided to sack him.0
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Nigelb said:
Hopefully women can suss some way of eliminating men in the future...we are just a bunch of useless fuckwits on the whole. Even metro sexual men who eat quinoa, and walk around with babies hanging from them just look odd. And then we have Nigel Farage......0 -
@jimwaterson: I'm sure Twitter will have a great time watching the panel of men discuss how they can't touch women nowadays on BBC2 Newsnight right now.
@daisymcandrew: @jimwaterson Watch #afterthenews - entirely female panel!
@jimwaterson: @daisymcandrew Ummmmmmmmmmm.
https://twitter.com/afterthenewsitv/status/9258518897318010880 -
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
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Not much interest yet in the Next Defence Secretary market. Only £340 matched so far.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.1363875530 -
Is that what happened?YellowSubmarine said:So a group of female Tory MPs took new Fallon allegations to No 10 today. Fallon didn't deny them. May decided to sack him.
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I think the debate on BBC Newsnight is pretty good, and much needed.0
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Now men have pretty much invented everything women could possibly need perhaps they have outlived their usefulness as you say?!tyson said:Nigelb said:
Hopefully women can suss some way of eliminating men in the future...we are just a bunch of useless fuckwits on the whole. Even metro sexual men who eat quinoa, and walk around with babies hanging from them just look odd. And then we have Nigel Farage......0 -
@PeterMannionMP: @MaxSkyNews Defence Secretary loses #BattleOfWoundedKnee...0
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J-H-B is enjoying her moment in The Sun methinks.
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I think we have a winnerScott_P said:@PeterMannionMP: @MaxSkyNews Defence Secretary loses #BattleOfWoundedKnee...
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Not PC to say, but Maitlis has a decent set of pins x0
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But we are good at putting up shelves. And assembling Ikea furniture?tyson said:Nigelb said:
Hopefully women can suss some way of eliminating men in the future...we are just a bunch of useless fuckwits on the whole. Even metro sexual men who eat quinoa, and walk around with babies hanging from them just look odd. And then we have Nigel Farage......
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Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
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Beggars belief that Fallon obviously still thinks that what he did was acceptable 15 years ago and it's just that society has changed and he can no longer get away with it.0
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Men tend to have the highest and lowest IQs, women tend towards the average, if you eliminate men you would lose a lot of the extremes but also a lot of geniuses too.tyson said:Nigelb said:
Hopefully women can suss some way of eliminating men in the future...we are just a bunch of useless fuckwits on the whole. Even metro sexual men who eat quinoa, and walk around with babies hanging from them just look odd. And then we have Nigel Farage......
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I voted yes to AV - clearly the Russians interfered with it and altered the result!TheScreamingEagles said:
I think the Ruskies also interfered with the AV referendum.kle4 said:
Will they never stop?!TheScreamingEagles said:First Brexit, then Trump, now Ruskies trying to cause a second Indyref
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/925847346189041664
Pretty much every election where my side has lost has clearly been interfered with by Putin and his predecessors....0 -
'She is a caricature of a left-wing militant feminist. She thinks of herself as a champion of "wimmin's" rights but is often self-centred and dismissive of the feelings of others. She rants, raises her fist in the air and foams at the mouth. She often refers to men as "phallocrats" and "potential rapists" or just "rapists", referring to other women as "fellow lesbians" regardless of their sexual orientation. Most of the storylines seem to indicate sexual frustration.'kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
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Source????YellowSubmarine said:So a group of female Tory MPs took new Fallon allegations to No 10 today. Fallon didn't deny them. May decided to sack him.
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There are simply loads of ways to get laid nowdays which don't involve getting drunk and groping.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
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I cannot think of any gender that can produce something as revolting as Nigel Farage...that one specimen deserves the rest of it's gender to be eliminated by association.....brendan16 said:
Now men have pretty much invented everything women could possibly need perhaps they have outlived their usefulness as you say?!tyson said:Nigelb said:
Hopefully women can suss some way of eliminating men in the future...we are just a bunch of useless fuckwits on the whole. Even metro sexual men who eat quinoa, and walk around with babies hanging from them just look odd. And then we have Nigel Farage......
FAO Pulpstar...Theresa May has a great set of pins too, and quite a pleasant face for a lass of her age......
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Spider removal?GIN1138 said:
But we are good at putting up shelves. And assembling Ikea furniture?tyson said:Nigelb said:
Hopefully women can suss some way of eliminating men in the future...we are just a bunch of useless fuckwits on the whole. Even metro sexual men who eat quinoa, and walk around with babies hanging from them just look odd. And then we have Nigel Farage......0 -
I witnessed earlier this week, a female "friend" on Facebook savagely berate a man for "hijacking the #metoo campaign" and "making it all about men" - his crime - speaking out for the first time about how he was sexually assaulted by a man when he was younger.dixiedean said:
Millie Tant even then was a dinosaur and a joke, just as roger Mellie was a joke, and young boys did not wander the hillsides with their loyal binbag. Her kind of Feminism belongs to a different era. As does the kind of man who likes to "cop a quick feel". Consensual sex, in all its varied forms is "in". Which is why, for all the outrage there are swinging clubs in every City.kyf_100 said:
Does anyone else remember Viz's Millie Tant character? 2017 is basically that.HYUFD said:
The 'patriarchy' needs to change apparently.Big_G_NorthWales said:
PredictableHYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
I used to think Millie Tant was a joke. I'm not laughing any more.0 -
I’m a militant feminist by some PBers standards, given that I pretty much agreed with most of what was said in that debate (aside from the old men, whose opinions I strongly disagreed with).0
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Quite. That is the top and bottom of it. No sympathy, as he either could not brazen them out, or could not be arsed.YellowSubmarine said:So a group of female Tory MPs took new Fallon allegations to No 10 today. Fallon didn't deny them. May decided to sack him.
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That too...oxfordsimon said:
Spider removal?GIN1138 said:
But we are good at putting up shelves. And assembling Ikea furniture?tyson said:Nigelb said:
Hopefully women can suss some way of eliminating men in the future...we are just a bunch of useless fuckwits on the whole. Even metro sexual men who eat quinoa, and walk around with babies hanging from them just look odd. And then we have Nigel Farage...... 0 -
At the risk of Mansplaining, I second that. Boorish behaviour (at best), has been tolerated (at best) and celebrated (at worst) for far too long.The_Apocalypse said:I think the debate on BBC Newsnight is pretty good, and much needed.
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No, Tyson, it doesn't work like that. It takes both genders to produce a Nigel Faragetyson said:
I cannot think of any gender that can produce something as revolting as Nigel Farage...that one specimen deserves the rest of it's gender to be eliminated by association.....brendan16 said:
Now men have pretty much invented everything women could possibly need perhaps they have outlived their usefulness as you say?!tyson said:Nigelb said:
Hopefully women can suss some way of eliminating men in the future...we are just a bunch of useless fuckwits on the whole. Even metro sexual men who eat quinoa, and walk around with babies hanging from them just look odd. And then we have Nigel Farage......
FAO Pulpstar...Theresa May has a great set of pins too, and quite a pleasant face for a lass of her age...... 0 -
Don't look at me! I'm still a virgin at 41! I haven't even groped anybody! There: I said it!HYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
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Well the Pope is still a virgin at 80 so you are not aloneSunil_Prasannan said:
Don't look at me! I'm still a virgin at 41! I haven't even groped anybody! There: I said it!HYUFD said:Newsnight is having a whole debate on 'the trouble with men' on BBC2 now
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McVey joins Davidson in suggesting there will be multiple resignations.0
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Don’t worry you’re not mansplainingdixiedean said:
At the risk of Mansplaining, I second that. Boorish behaviour (at best), has been tolerated (at best) and celebrated (at worst) for far too long.The_Apocalypse said:I think the debate on BBC Newsnight is pretty good, and much needed.
The person who I think was guilty of mansplaining today though was Michael White. But he’s been a mess for sometime now.0
