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  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited October 2017
    A lot of false starts on this thread. The Curse of Vanilla continues ....

    :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,777
    2nd like Leave in Scotland
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,325
    I see that Jared O'Mara is concerned about the plight of the Palestinians, so much so that he submitted 3 written questions on Israel, and Palestine. Seems an odd cause given the huge loss of life in Syria and the upheaval it has caused. Does the guy suffer from myopia?

    Imagine my surprise to discover that 3 written questions suddenly appeared on disabilities yesterday.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/search/?pid=25636&pop=1#n4
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    .... Just shows the skills and the huge responsibility that pilots have and how well trained they are to cope with the unexpected

    The pilots have a vested interest - the front of the aircraft (where they sit) hits things first. Statistically, the safest seats are the ones at the back of the aircraft. As the old adage has it, no aircraft ever reversed into a mountain ;)

    Of course, they also say that any landing you walk away from is a good one :D
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Don’t forget Farage also calling it for Remain shortly after 10pm had an impact.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Great thanks Mike and to @Sandpit
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,435
    For all those supporting Heaton-Harris yesterday... his own party has left him twisting in the wind:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41747035
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,451
    Having just returned from a wonderful Mediterranean cruise and enjoyed 14 days away from Brexit it was interesting that as we docked in the early hours of the morning in Barcelona the container port was busy loading/unloading three container ships from their large container port. As we were transferred from the port to the airport for our return flight to Heathrow we passed a fire station with a large banner on the front with the wording 'Democracia'.

    The airport was a hive of activity and having visited Barcelona several times previously it is obvious Catalonia is very important to Spain and the actions of the Spanish Government seem so inept in provoking a situation that even the firefighters are openly demonstrating their support for democracy. I fear this will not have a happy ending.

    It was interesting that the Captain of our BA flight home felt it necessary to address the passengers by apologizing for the 'UK going through a mid life crisis' and that everyone from wherever they have come from are very welcome in the UK. He then went on to warn us that Heathrow was experiencing landing difficulties due to adverse weather but he hoped to be on time.

    As it turned out it was quite the worse landing experience I have ever had with the plane being buffeted all the way down until, just as the wheels were about to hit the runaway, he powered away aborting the landing. He apologized but said that he had been hit by a strong gust and had had no choice. For the next twenty minutes we rocked and rolled until finally hitting the runway hard and safely. Just shows the skills and the huge responsibility that pilots have and how well trained they are to cope with the unexpected
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,842
    I remember the total confidence of Remain, with a 10 point win predicted for the first hour or so. Then doubts... then I went to bed and didn't make any money. Humbug.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    edited October 2017
    Beverley_C said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    .... Just shows the skills and the huge responsibility that pilots have and how well trained they are to cope with the unexpected

    The pilots have a vested interest - the front of the aircraft (where they sit) hits things first. Statistically, the safest seats are the ones at the back of the aircraft. As the old adage has it, no aircraft ever reversed into a mountain ;)

    Of course, they also say that any landing you walk away from is a good one :D
    And any landing that leaves a serviceable aeroplane is a great one! :D
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Canvexit ....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41691003
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,842
    FPT:
    Betting Post
    F1: bearing in mind all three of my last early tips failed, I have three more (for those of you whose over-sized bulging wallets are causing lopsided gait syndrome):
    Verstappen win, 5, each way
    Raikkonen win FP1, 9, each way
    Raikkonen fastest qualifying time, 13, each way

    All Ladbrokes. Whilst Vettel's clearly faster, Raikkonen's odds are too long. He also outqualified his team mate here last year, and in Monaco this year. It's a coin toss for the practice bet, but his odds are over evens to be top 3. Verstappen has had very strong performances in the last few races and Red Bull has done well at this circuit in the past.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Beverley_C said:

    Canvexit ....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41691003

    The sooner the whole of Essex secedes the better for the rest of the UK.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Sandpit said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    .... Just shows the skills and the huge responsibility that pilots have and how well trained they are to cope with the unexpected

    The pilots have a vested interest - the front of the aircraft (where they sit) hits things first. Statistically, the safest seats are the ones at the back of the aircraft. As the old adage has it, no aircraft ever reversed into a mountain ;)

    Of course, they also say that any landing you walk away from is a good one :D
    And any landing that leaves a serviceable aeroplane in a great one! :D
    :+1:
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    TOPPING said:

    Great thanks Mike and to @Sandpit

    This is a zoomed version of the image above, from an earlier thread.
    image
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    dr_spyn said:

    I see that Jared O'Mara is concerned about the plight of the Palestinians, so much so that he submitted 3 written questions on Israel, and Palestine. Seems an odd cause given the huge loss of life in Syria and the upheaval it has caused. Does the guy suffer from myopia?

    Imagine my surprise to discover that 3 written questions suddenly appeared on disabilities yesterday.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/search/?pid=25636&pop=1#n4

    Not disabilities -- stem cell transplants. The updated version of bone marrow transplants for people with leukaemia -- a real pb doctor should be along later.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/923118360266715136
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,647
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Don’t forget Farage also calling it for Remain shortly after 10pm had an impact.

    Shortly after 10pm I recall Farage demanding a rerun if the result was the close Remain win as projected by the final opinion polls.

    The rerun is good fine by me!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,979
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/923118360266715136

    It isn't really surprising. Look at any international summit etc etc etc, agreements are always finalized at the very last minute. The more important question with them is have all the minions got to a stage of an agreement such that when the heads of state turn up there isn't much left to agree.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/923118360266715136

    Which is why we need to impose a deadline a year earlier than that.

    It’s in the EU’s favour to keep the talks going without a deal until the last minute, we need to ensure that both government and business have time to plan for whatever is or isn’t agreed to be implemented before the day we leave.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/923118360266715136

    Business will love that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,292
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/923118360266715136

    Why would anyone think otherwise? No matter how easy things might have been, international agreements always go down to the wire, don’t they?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,292
    edited October 2017
    Mexicanpete said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Don’t forget Farage also calling it for Remain shortly after 10pm had an impact.

    Shortly after 10pm I recall Farage demanding a rerun if the result was the close Remain win as projected by the final opinion polls.
    What a silly man he could be. Certainly it was a helpful comment for those arguing to continue the fight.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,259
    edited October 2017
    Nigelb said:

    For all those supporting Heaton-Harris yesterday... his own party has left him twisting in the wind:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41747035

    People on here were supporting him? Astonishing. It's obvious what happened: Heaton-Harris got carried away with the whole 'Crush the Saboteurs', 'Will of the People' stuff and tried to make a name for himself as a Brexit boot boy. Academia has been a bogeyman of the populist Right for some time, so it's obvious why he chose that as his target. What a bullying yobbo.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/923118360266715136

    Business will love that.
    It merely shows how utterly clueless DD is about the real world. Businesses have already said they want the outline of an agreement early in 2018 or else they will assume the worst and organise accordingly.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Canvexit ....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41691003

    The sooner the whole of Essex secedes the better for the rest of the UK.
    Splitters!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,119
    The greatest opportunities were between 1am-3am when the writing was on the wall but, I suspect, some punters thought (or hoped) the effects were highly regionalised and were waiting for all of London and Birmingham to come in to perhaps clinch it for Remain.

    And we had AndyJS. Who was (and is) a hero.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,979
    Casino_Royale said:

    The greatest opportunities were between 1am-3am when the writing was on the wall but, I suspect, some punters thought (or hoped) the effects were highly regionalised and were waiting for all of London and Birmingham to come in to perhaps clinch it for Remain.

    And we had AndyJS. Who was (and is) a hero.

    Chez Urquhart had a cracking Christmas thanks to Andy...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    kle4 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Don’t forget Farage also calling it for Remain shortly after 10pm had an impact.

    Shortly after 10pm I recall Farage demanding a rerun if the result was the close Remain win as projected by the final opinion polls.
    What a silly man he could be. Certainly it was a helpful comment for those arguing to continue the fight.
    Farage was irrelevant to the official leave campaign and utterly clueless - same with the cretin Banks.

    What odds a by- election in Sheffield?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/923118360266715136

    The 59th minute of the 11th hour would be 10:58 wouldn't it?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    edited October 2017
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Nigelb said:

    For all those supporting Heaton-Harris yesterday... his own party has left him twisting in the wind:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41747035

    People on here were supporting him? Astonishing. It's obvious what happened: Heaton-Harris got carried away with the whole 'Crush the Saboteurs', 'Will of the People' stuff and tried to make a name for himself as a Brexit boot boy. Academia has been a bogeyman of the populist Right for some time, so it's obvious why he chose that as his target. What a bullying yobbo.
    Plenty said what's all the fuss about. It was all for "research" (or as Jo Johnson puts it: ""He was pursuing inquiries of his own which may, in time, lead to a book").

    Was quite a spectacle on here yday. People, some of whom rightly or wrongly criticised the HO for its "mistakes", queuing up to wonder what the big problem was.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Classy

    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/923123765915078656
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Casino_Royale said:

    The greatest opportunities were between 1am-3am when the writing was on the wall but, I suspect, some punters thought (or hoped) the effects were highly regionalised and were waiting for all of London and Birmingham to come in to perhaps clinch it for Remain.

    And we had AndyJS. Who was (and is) a hero.

    Is how I remember it also. But I evidently remembered it at inflated odds to the ones actually available.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,638
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Canvexit ....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41691003

    The sooner the whole of Essex secedes the better for the rest of the UK.
    TSE you racist scum!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy

    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/923123765915078656

    Aren't we promised his views on Gandhi and Mandela at some point too?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The greatest opportunities were between 1am-3am when the writing was on the wall but, I suspect, some punters thought (or hoped) the effects were highly regionalised and were waiting for all of London and Birmingham to come in to perhaps clinch it for Remain.

    And we had AndyJS. Who was (and is) a hero.

    Chez Urquhart had a cracking Christmas thanks to Andy...
    Mr and Mrs Sandpit got to watch the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix in the hospitality suite. Thanks @AndyJS, the man who’ll never have to buy himself a drink at any PB meetup :+1:
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    edited October 2017
    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,965
    Curse of the new thread!
    Beverley_C said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    HYUFD said:

    Teaching maths perpetuates white privilege says Illinois professor
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.amp.html

    That is a real find.

    I liked this ... " many people have experienced microaggressions from participating in math classrooms ...."
    I liked this ... "“School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean Theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans," she says, according to Campus Reform."

    Kind of glossing over the importance of Arabic numerals in mathematics there.
    Whilst the Arabs before the 1100's made contributions to astronomy and maths, after 1100 or so the they had to deal with Mongols from the east and Crusades from the west. One of the earliest inventors of the scientific method lived in Basra

    In the west things had been more or less "dead" scientifically from about 500AD as well and the only significant invention in the west until about 1400 was an improved horse collar.
    No it wasn't Beverly. Try this book:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gods-Philosophers-Medieval-Foundations-Science/dp/1848311508#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1508925343959

    But be warned the author, whom I know slightly, is a Brexiteer!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy

    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/923123765915078656

    Aren't we promised his views on Gandhi and Mandela at some point too?
    A half naked fakir and a terrorist?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Carolus_Rex said:

    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
    If the whips have any sense they’ll get it done before PMQs gives Mrs May the opportunity to dig her kitten heels in.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Nigelb said:

    For all those supporting Heaton-Harris yesterday... his own party has left him twisting in the wind:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41747035

    People on here were supporting him? Astonishing. It's obvious what happened: Heaton-Harris got carried away with the whole 'Crush the Saboteurs', 'Will of the People' stuff and tried to make a name for himself as a Brexit boot boy. Academia has been a bogeyman of the populist Right for some time, so it's obvious why he chose that as his target. What a bullying yobbo.
    There are party loyalists on here who will promote almost anything their party says no matter how outrageous or absurd.

    I half-believe that if a party introduced a policy that all its supporters should be shot, the loyalists on here would promote it with vigour....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    https://twitter.com/StuartJRitchie/status/922907716695330816
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,119
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy

    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/923123765915078656

    I think a lot of it (if not all of it) is a function of his sexual and social frustration.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,119
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The greatest opportunities were between 1am-3am when the writing was on the wall but, I suspect, some punters thought (or hoped) the effects were highly regionalised and were waiting for all of London and Birmingham to come in to perhaps clinch it for Remain.

    And we had AndyJS. Who was (and is) a hero.

    Chez Urquhart had a cracking Christmas thanks to Andy...
    Andy effectively paid for my holiday to Thailand.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    ydoethur said:

    Curse of the new thread!

    Beverley_C said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    HYUFD said:

    Teaching maths perpetuates white privilege says Illinois professor
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.amp.html

    That is a real find.

    I liked this ... " many people have experienced microaggressions from participating in math classrooms ...."
    I liked this ... "“School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean Theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans," she says, according to Campus Reform."

    Kind of glossing over the importance of Arabic numerals in mathematics there.
    Whilst the Arabs before the 1100's made contributions to astronomy and maths, after 1100 or so the they had to deal with Mongols from the east and Crusades from the west. One of the earliest inventors of the scientific method lived in Basra

    In the west things had been more or less "dead" scientifically from about 500AD as well and the only significant invention in the west until about 1400 was an improved horse collar.
    No it wasn't Beverly. Try this book:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gods-Philosophers-Medieval-Foundations-Science/dp/1848311508#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1508925343959

    But be warned the author, whom I know slightly, is a Brexiteer!
    I want to hear more about the improved horse collar.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Suspect Guido has a drawer full of the stuff but is drip drip dripping it out to see what dumbos like Chakribati he can trip up along the way.

  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    ydoethur said:

    Curse of the new thread!

    Beverley_C said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    HYUFD said:

    Teaching maths perpetuates white privilege says Illinois professor
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.amp.html

    That is a real find.

    I liked this ... " many people have experienced microaggressions from participating in math classrooms ...."
    I liked this ... "“School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean Theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans," she says, according to Campus Reform."

    Kind of glossing over the importance of Arabic numerals in mathematics there.
    Whilst the Arabs before the 1100's made contributions to astronomy and maths, after 1100 or so the they had to deal with Mongols from the east and Crusades from the west. One of the earliest inventors of the scientific method lived in Basra

    In the west things had been more or less "dead" scientifically from about 500AD as well and the only significant invention in the west until about 1400 was an improved horse collar.
    No it wasn't Beverly. Try this book:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gods-Philosophers-Medieval-Foundations-Science/dp/1848311508#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1508925343959

    But be warned the author, whom I know slightly, is a Brexiteer!
    I thoroughly recommend that book. A good read and quite an eye opener. Also a reminder that the mediaeval mind was a lot more open than we tend to think.

    Don't recall any brexiteering in it either, though it's a few years since I read it.
  • WinstanleyWinstanley Posts: 434
    Sandpit said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
    If the whips have any sense they’ll get it done before PMQs gives Mrs May the opportunity to dig her kitten heels in.
    20-something male makes unpleasant comments on the internet, SHOCKED I tell you. All these people outraged at O'Mara's comments might like to go and sit within earshot of any group of young people in McDonald's and realise that this (admittedly horrible) kind of talk is the norm. We've bred a country of little shits and now they're becoming MPs.

    Always find it a bit strange when Guardian types write think pieces about mildly bad behaviour, ignoring the giant cesspool of a society we've created outside their middle-class bubbles.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,979
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/oct/24/the-terrible-truth-about-your-tin-of-italian-tomatoes

    Do EU laws of the likes of the working time directive etc not apply in Italy?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    Casino_Royale said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The greatest opportunities were between 1am-3am when the writing was on the wall but, I suspect, some punters thought (or hoped) the effects were highly regionalised and were waiting for all of London and Birmingham to come in to perhaps clinch it for Remain.

    And we had AndyJS. Who was (and is) a hero.

    Chez Urquhart had a cracking Christmas thanks to Andy...
    Andy effectively paid for my holiday to Thailand.
    Looks like the AndyJS beneficiaries should club together and buy him a house warming present - isn't he in the process of buying a new abode?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Winstanley said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
    If the whips have any sense they’ll get it done before PMQs gives Mrs May the opportunity to dig her kitten heels in.
    20-something male makes unpleasant comments on the internet, SHOCKED I tell you. All these people outraged at O'Mara's comments might like to go and sit within earshot of any group of young people in McDonald's and realise that this (admittedly horrible) kind of talk is the norm. We've bred a country of little shits and now they're becoming MPs.

    .
    What about his comments from 7 months ago ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Anyhoo, I think David Davis has dropped a bombshell.

    David Davis has stunned MPs by warning they may not get a vote on any Brexit deal until after Britain has left the European Union.

    The Brexit Secretary predicted the negotiations will drag on until the last minute on the last day in 2019 and be “very exciting”.

    Asked if that meant the promised Parliamentary vote on the agreement could be delayed until after Brexit Day, in March 2019, he replied: “Yes, it could be"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mp-vote-uk-leave-eu-david-davis-deal-talks-european-union-trade-1050-a8018761.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Sandpit said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
    If the whips have any sense they’ll get it done before PMQs gives Mrs May the opportunity to dig her kitten heels in.
    We need to hear Diane's opinion
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393
    ydoethur said:

    Curse of the new thread!

    Beverley_C said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    HYUFD said:

    Teaching maths perpetuates white privilege says Illinois professor
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.amp.html

    That is a real find.

    I liked this ... " many people have experienced microaggressions from participating in math classrooms ...."
    I liked this ... "“School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean Theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans," she says, according to Campus Reform."

    Kind of glossing over the importance of Arabic numerals in mathematics there.
    Whilst the Arabs before the 1100's made contributions to astronomy and maths, after 1100 or so the they had to deal with Mongols from the east and Crusades from the west. One of the earliest inventors of the scientific method lived in Basra

    In the west things had been more or less "dead" scientifically from about 500AD as well and the only significant invention in the west until about 1400 was an improved horse collar.
    No it wasn't Beverly. Try this book:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gods-Philosophers-Medieval-Foundations-Science/dp/1848311508#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1508925343959

    But be warned the author, whom I know slightly, is a Brexiteer!
    Medieval societies were a good deal more creative than they've been given credit for, since the 18th century. Their discoveries included double-entry book-keeping, windmills, the heavy plough, musical notation, firearms, spectacles, buttons.
  • WinstanleyWinstanley Posts: 434
    TGOHF said:

    Winstanley said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
    If the whips have any sense they’ll get it done before PMQs gives Mrs May the opportunity to dig her kitten heels in.
    20-something male makes unpleasant comments on the internet, SHOCKED I tell you. All these people outraged at O'Mara's comments might like to go and sit within earshot of any group of young people in McDonald's and realise that this (admittedly horrible) kind of talk is the norm. We've bred a country of little shits and now they're becoming MPs.

    .
    What about his comments from 7 months ago ?
    What about them?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The greatest opportunities were between 1am-3am when the writing was on the wall but, I suspect, some punters thought (or hoped) the effects were highly regionalised and were waiting for all of London and Birmingham to come in to perhaps clinch it for Remain.

    And we had AndyJS. Who was (and is) a hero.

    Chez Urquhart had a cracking Christmas thanks to Andy...
    Mr and Mrs Sandpit got to watch the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix in the hospitality suite. Thanks @AndyJS, the man who’ll never have to buy himself a drink at any PB meetup :+1:
    Just looked back at the log and I backed leave on BF at 9s (8.55pm) and 12s (9.10pm)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/923085843660754944
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,979
    edited October 2017
    Winstanley said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
    If the whips have any sense they’ll get it done before PMQs gives Mrs May the opportunity to dig her kitten heels in.
    20-something male makes unpleasant comments on the internet, SHOCKED I tell you. All these people outraged at O'Mara's comments might like to go and sit within earshot of any group of young people in McDonald's and realise that this (admittedly horrible) kind of talk is the norm. We've bred a country of little shits and now they're becoming MPs.

    Always find it a bit strange when Guardian types write think pieces about mildly bad behaviour, ignoring the giant cesspool of a society we've created outside their middle-class bubbles.
    What Staines has shown though is that wasn't just an isolated rant or two when he was a teenager or a student, there is a consistent pattern of behaviour right up to only a few months ago. If anything the more recent stories are worse, as they are in person and personnel, rather than just using general offensive words to nobody in particular on a message board.

    That all been said, I am not exactly shocked or surprised there are total dickheads in the HoCs. The new MP for Stoke isn't much better and I am sure there are loads more.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    On topic I called it for Leave 4 hours before the BBC/Sky/ITV did.

    Sunderland was tipping point.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anyhoo, I think David Davis has dropped a bombshell.

    David Davis has stunned MPs by warning they may not get a vote on any Brexit deal until after Britain has left the European Union.

    The Brexit Secretary predicted the negotiations will drag on until the last minute on the last day in 2019 and be “very exciting”.

    Asked if that meant the promised Parliamentary vote on the agreement could be delayed until after Brexit Day, in March 2019, he replied: “Yes, it could be"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mp-vote-uk-leave-eu-david-davis-deal-talks-european-union-trade-1050-a8018761.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Great news as it will pass no problem as the alternative is a ultra Hard Brexit.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393
    David_Evershed said:

    ydoethur said:

    Curse of the new thread!

    Beverley_C said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    HYUFD said:

    Teaching maths perpetuates white privilege says Illinois professor
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.amp.html

    That is a real find.

    I liked this ... " many people have experienced microaggressions from participating in math classrooms ...."
    I liked this ... "“School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean Theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans," she says, according to Campus Reform."

    Kind of glossing over the importance of Arabic numerals in mathematics there.
    Whilst the Arabs before the 1100's made contributions to astronomy and maths, after 1100 or so the they had to deal with Mongols from the east and Crusades from the west. One of the earliest inventors of the scientific method lived in Basra

    In the west things had been more or less "dead" scientifically from about 500AD as well and the only significant invention in the west until about 1400 was an improved horse collar.
    No it wasn't Beverly. Try this book:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gods-Philosophers-Medieval-Foundations-Science/dp/1848311508#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1508925343959

    But be warned the author, whom I know slightly, is a Brexiteer!
    I want to hear more about the improved horse collar.
    It made a huge difference to agricultural productivity, as it enabled ploughing to be done by horses, rather than oxen.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Re the last thread: and the white privilege quote about maths: as if universities at large really believe what the person in that article stated. I also doubt there are really that many circles where people believe that maths and other subjects are part of some conspiracy to oppress people. As those channels on YouTube obsessed with so called SJWs have found: if you go looking for idiots, you will find them.
  • WinstanleyWinstanley Posts: 434
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Winstanley said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
    If the whips have any sense they’ll get it done before PMQs gives Mrs May the opportunity to dig her kitten heels in.
    20-something male makes unpleasant comments on the internet, SHOCKED I tell you. All these people outraged at O'Mara's comments might like to go and sit within earshot of any group of young people in McDonald's and realise that this (admittedly horrible) kind of talk is the norm. We've bred a country of little shits and now they're becoming MPs.

    Always find it a bit strange when Guardian types write think pieces about mildly bad behaviour, ignoring the giant cesspool of a society we've created outside their middle-class bubbles.
    What Staines has shown though is that wasn't just when he was a teenager or a student, there is a consistent pattern of behaviour right up to only a few months ago.
    I'm not defending him or the stupid broader culture where this is the norm, and which Guido has done more than anybody to introduce into politics.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393
    edited October 2017
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Nigelb said:

    For all those supporting Heaton-Harris yesterday... his own party has left him twisting in the wind:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41747035

    People on here were supporting him? Astonishing. It's obvious what happened: Heaton-Harris got carried away with the whole 'Crush the Saboteurs', 'Will of the People' stuff and tried to make a name for himself as a Brexit boot boy. Academia has been a bogeyman of the populist Right for some time, so it's obvious why he chose that as his target. What a bullying yobbo.
    Chris Heaton-Harris' anodyne letter was hardly the Night of the Long Knives.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Nigelb said:

    For all those supporting Heaton-Harris yesterday... his own party has left him twisting in the wind:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41747035

    People on here were supporting him? Astonishing. It's obvious what happened: Heaton-Harris got carried away with the whole 'Crush the Saboteurs', 'Will of the People' stuff and tried to make a name for himself as a Brexit boot boy. Academia has been a bogeyman of the populist Right for some time, so it's obvious why he chose that as his target. What a bullying yobbo.
    +1.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Jared O'Mara may lose the Labour whip but he is not going to stand down as an MP. Why would he?

    There will not be a by-election in Sheffield Hallam.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anyhoo, I think David Davis has dropped a bombshell.

    Asked if that meant the promised Parliamentary vote on the agreement could be delayed until after Brexit Day, in March 2019, he replied: “Yes, it could be"

    That's what Parliamentary Sovereignty looks like, eh?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/923085843660754944

    Lady Trumpington's husband was my Headmaster.

    My mother owns a hat that used to belong to her, which she bought at a school jumble sale.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    David_Evershed said:

    Jared O'Mara may lose the Labour whip but he is not going to stand down as an MP. Why would he?

    There will not be a by-election in Sheffield Hallam.

    He'll quietly be let back in in a few months no doubt.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Winstanley said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Winstanley said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
    If the whips have any sense they’ll get it done before PMQs gives Mrs May the opportunity to dig her kitten heels in.
    20-something male makes unpleasant comments on the internet, SHOCKED I tell you. All these people outraged at O'Mara's comments might like to go and sit within earshot of any group of young people in McDonald's and realise that this (admittedly horrible) kind of talk is the norm. We've bred a country of little shits and now they're becoming MPs.

    Always find it a bit strange when Guardian types write think pieces about mildly bad behaviour, ignoring the giant cesspool of a society we've created outside their middle-class bubbles.
    What Staines has shown though is that wasn't just when he was a teenager or a student, there is a consistent pattern of behaviour right up to only a few months ago.
    I'm not defending him or the stupid broader culture where this is the norm, and which Guido has done more than anybody to introduce into politics.
    It’s hardly Guido’s fault the guy’s a misogynistic moron. All Mr Staines is doing is shining a little sunlight on those who wish to rule over us.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anyhoo, I think David Davis has dropped a bombshell.

    David Davis has stunned MPs by warning they may not get a vote on any Brexit deal until after Britain has left the European Union.

    The Brexit Secretary predicted the negotiations will drag on until the last minute on the last day in 2019 and be “very exciting”.

    Asked if that meant the promised Parliamentary vote on the agreement could be delayed until after Brexit Day, in March 2019, he replied: “Yes, it could be"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mp-vote-uk-leave-eu-david-davis-deal-talks-european-union-trade-1050-a8018761.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Great news as it will pass no problem as the alternative is a ultra Hard Brexit.

    But it flatly contradicts what Mrs May has said?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But it flatly contradicts what Mrs May has said?

    Take Back Control...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IanDunt: This is gold. "There are various sorts of no-deal." One involves a deal on aviation, data, nuclear apparently.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    On Jared O’Mara: I think is the problem is, Guido had already established that he’s a total idiot: so any more ‘shocking’ comments just tell us what we already know.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Britain extricating itself from the European Union will be “incomparably more complex” than the first moon landing, an academic study has found.

    Roland Alter, a professor at Heilbronn University in Germany who specialises in risk assessment, said he had been inspired to carry out his analysis after comments by the Brexit secretary, David Davis, that he was “running a set of projects that make the Nasa moonshot look quite simple”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/24/brexit-more-complex-than-first-moon-landing-says-academic-study
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TGOHF said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anyhoo, I think David Davis has dropped a bombshell.

    David Davis has stunned MPs by warning they may not get a vote on any Brexit deal until after Britain has left the European Union.

    The Brexit Secretary predicted the negotiations will drag on until the last minute on the last day in 2019 and be “very exciting”.

    Asked if that meant the promised Parliamentary vote on the agreement could be delayed until after Brexit Day, in March 2019, he replied: “Yes, it could be"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mp-vote-uk-leave-eu-david-davis-deal-talks-european-union-trade-1050-a8018761.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Great news as it will pass no problem as the alternative is a ultra Hard Brexit.

    But it flatly contradicts what Mrs May has said?
    There could be other votes on what the status of the deal is at any point in time - but May doesn't control what the EU choose to do - nor their timeline.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,119
    philiph said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The greatest opportunities were between 1am-3am when the writing was on the wall but, I suspect, some punters thought (or hoped) the effects were highly regionalised and were waiting for all of London and Birmingham to come in to perhaps clinch it for Remain.

    And we had AndyJS. Who was (and is) a hero.

    Chez Urquhart had a cracking Christmas thanks to Andy...
    Andy effectively paid for my holiday to Thailand.
    Looks like the AndyJS beneficiaries should club together and buy him a house warming present - isn't he in the process of buying a new abode?
    I'd be happy to contribute.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anyhoo, I think David Davis has dropped a bombshell.

    David Davis has stunned MPs by warning they may not get a vote on any Brexit deal until after Britain has left the European Union.

    The Brexit Secretary predicted the negotiations will drag on until the last minute on the last day in 2019 and be “very exciting”.

    Asked if that meant the promised Parliamentary vote on the agreement could be delayed until after Brexit Day, in March 2019, he replied: “Yes, it could be"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mp-vote-uk-leave-eu-david-davis-deal-talks-european-union-trade-1050-a8018761.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    He's talking tosh (which is unfortunate given his position).

    Any agreement needs ratifying by the European Parliament. A UK parliamentary vote is a nice to have but not legally or constitutionally essential (it probably will be politically essential, which is why there'll be one).

    For there to be a vote in the EP - without which, no deal agreed by the Council is valid - there needs to be at the minimum, a few days' time in which to take it. And if there's time for one in Brussels (or Strasbourg), then there's time for one in Westminster.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Casino_Royale said:

    philiph said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The greatest opportunities were between 1am-3am when the writing was on the wall but, I suspect, some punters thought (or hoped) the effects were highly regionalised and were waiting for all of London and Birmingham to come in to perhaps clinch it for Remain.

    And we had AndyJS. Who was (and is) a hero.

    Chez Urquhart had a cracking Christmas thanks to Andy...
    Andy effectively paid for my holiday to Thailand.
    Looks like the AndyJS beneficiaries should club together and buy him a house warming present - isn't he in the process of buying a new abode?
    I'd be happy to contribute.
    Same here.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy

    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/923123765915078656

    Aren't we promised his views on Gandhi and Mandela at some point too?
    A half naked fakir and a terrorist?
    I'm not sure that would be the language a Labour MP of 2017 would be advised to use, irrespective of the status of those who might have done in the past.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    https://twitter.com/pickardje/status/923127535772282881
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,842
    Mr. Glenn, to be fair, he's right (although not for the reason he thinks).
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Britain extricating itself from the European Union will be “incomparably more complex” than the first moon landing, an academic study has found.

    Roland Alter, a professor at Heilbronn University in Germany who specialises in risk assessment, said he had been inspired to carry out his analysis after comments by the Brexit secretary, David Davis, that he was “running a set of projects that make the Nasa moonshot look quite simple”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/24/brexit-more-complex-than-first-moon-landing-says-academic-study

    And yet we retained our sovereignty and independence all along apparently.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Anyhoo, I think David Davis has dropped a bombshell.

    David Davis has stunned MPs by warning they may not get a vote on any Brexit deal until after Britain has left the European Union.

    The Brexit Secretary predicted the negotiations will drag on until the last minute on the last day in 2019 and be “very exciting”.

    Asked if that meant the promised Parliamentary vote on the agreement could be delayed until after Brexit Day, in March 2019, he replied: “Yes, it could be"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mp-vote-uk-leave-eu-david-davis-deal-talks-european-union-trade-1050-a8018761.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    He's talking tosh (which is unfortunate given his position).

    Any agreement needs ratifying by the European Parliament. A UK parliamentary vote is a nice to have but not legally or constitutionally essential (it probably will be politically essential, which is why there'll be one).

    For there to be a vote in the EP - without which, no deal agreed by the Council is valid - there needs to be at the minimum, a few days' time in which to take it. And if there's time for one in Brussels (or Strasbourg), then there's time for one in Westminster.
    However if there is a vote in the final days like that then it will be the ultimate take it or leave it deal - if the deal gets scuppered then the clock doesn't stop and we still Brexit but without a deal.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    ydoethur said:

    Curse of the new thread!

    Beverley_C said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    HYUFD said:

    Teaching maths perpetuates white privilege says Illinois professor
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.amp.html

    That is a real find.

    I liked this ... " many people have experienced microaggressions from participating in math classrooms ...."
    I liked this ... "“School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean Theorem and pi perpetuate a perception that mathematics was largely developed by Greeks and other Europeans," she says, according to Campus Reform."

    Kind of glossing over the importance of Arabic numerals in mathematics there.
    Whilst the Arabs before the 1100's made contributions to astronomy and maths, after 1100 or so the they had to deal with Mongols from the east and Crusades from the west. One of the earliest inventors of the scientific method lived in Basra

    In the west things had been more or less "dead" scientifically from about 500AD as well and the only significant invention in the west until about 1400 was an improved horse collar.
    No it wasn't Beverly. Try this book:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gods-Philosophers-Medieval-Foundations-Science/dp/1848311508#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1508925343959

    But be warned the author, whom I know slightly, is a Brexiteer!
    I might Kindle it. Thanks :+1:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    CopperSulphate said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Britain extricating itself from the European Union will be “incomparably more complex” than the first moon landing, an academic study has found.

    Roland Alter, a professor at Heilbronn University in Germany who specialises in risk assessment, said he had been inspired to carry out his analysis after comments by the Brexit secretary, David Davis, that he was “running a set of projects that make the Nasa moonshot look quite simple”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/24/brexit-more-complex-than-first-moon-landing-says-academic-study

    And yet we retained our sovereignty and independence all along apparently.
    Yup, David Davis said we retained our sovereignty and independence all along.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Rumour doing the rounds the whip is about to be withdrawn from O'Mara
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2017
    Wonderful article on trading under WTO rules. The only country that (sort of) does is the economic powerhouse of Mauritania.
    "For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery."
    https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6

    Still, as long as David Davis thinks it's ok, eh.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy

    https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/923123765915078656

    Aren't we promised his views on Gandhi and Mandela at some point too?
    A half naked fakir and a terrorist?
    I'm not sure that would be the language a Labour MP of 2017 would be advised to use, irrespective of the status of those who might have done in the past.
    Well he's called the Spanish "dagos" and the Danes "pig shaggers", I rule nothing out when it comes to Mr O'Mara.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Britain extricating itself from the European Union will be “incomparably more complex” than the first moon landing, an academic study has found.

    Roland Alter, a professor at Heilbronn University in Germany who specialises in risk assessment, said he had been inspired to carry out his analysis after comments by the Brexit secretary, David Davis, that he was “running a set of projects that make the Nasa moonshot look quite simple”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/24/brexit-more-complex-than-first-moon-landing-says-academic-study

    Well at least Brexit didn’t start with killing three of the key personnel involved in the project.
  • WinstanleyWinstanley Posts: 434
    edited October 2017
    Sandpit said:

    Winstanley said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Winstanley said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Sandpit said:

    Any bookies with prices on Jared O’Mara losing the Labour whip by the end of the day?

    Guido’s pile of poo on him is getting bigger. Much bigger.

    Trouble is Guido might end up overdoing it. O'Mara may be a turd but if Guido carries on like this people might start feeling sorry for him

    *has another quick look at order-order.com*

    or then again, maybe they won't.
    If the whips have any sense they’ll get it done before PMQs gives Mrs May the opportunity to dig her kitten heels in.
    20-something male makes unpleasant comments on the internet, SHOCKED I tell you. All these people outraged at O'Mara's comments might like to go and sit within earshot of any group of young people in McDonald's and realise that this (admittedly horrible) kind of talk is the norm. We've bred a country of little shits and now they're becoming MPs.

    Always find it a bit strange when Guardian types write think pieces about mildly bad behaviour, ignoring the giant cesspool of a society we've created outside their middle-class bubbles.
    What Staines has shown though is that wasn't just when he was a teenager or a student, there is a consistent pattern of behaviour right up to only a few months ago.
    I'm not defending him or the stupid broader culture where this is the norm, and which Guido has done more than anybody to introduce into politics.
    It’s hardly Guido’s fault the guy’s a misogynistic moron. All Mr Staines is doing is shining a little sunlight on those who wish to rule over us.
    Did I say O'Mara's comments were Guido Fawkes' fault? No. I said these comments are the norm for a great lot of this country, and that Guido's website has played a key role in dragging this kind of vile culture into political commentary (e.g. http://www.francisbeckett.co.uk/latest-blog/5-general/118-why-right-wing-internet-thugs-threaten-our-freedom).

    'Penny quotes comments about her on Staines’s site. "Perhaps Sharia might be a good thing after all, if Ms Penny was not allowed out without a member of her Family and we did not have to look at her face, also we could stone her to death...” "Call me old fashioned bt this young lady shouid [sic] be whipped through the streets of London before being made to suck Ken Livingstones cock as people throw shit at the pair of them." She asked for these to be taken down and the men who run the site told her to get a sense of humour.'

    Guido has allowed and encouraged a lot worse from his supporters. He's not part of the cure 'shining a light' on anything, but part of the disease.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Guido saying O’Mara has the whip suspended.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,842
    Mr. Anorak, https://twitter.com/LORDMARKPRICE/status/922849596853968898
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    CopperSulphate said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Britain extricating itself from the European Union will be “incomparably more complex” than the first moon landing, an academic study has found.

    Roland Alter, a professor at Heilbronn University in Germany who specialises in risk assessment, said he had been inspired to carry out his analysis after comments by the Brexit secretary, David Davis, that he was “running a set of projects that make the Nasa moonshot look quite simple”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/24/brexit-more-complex-than-first-moon-landing-says-academic-study

    And yet we retained our sovereignty and independence all along apparently.
    Yup, David Davis said we retained our sovereignty and independence all along.
    Great so people we've not elected like Juncker and Barnier don't have a huge amount of power over us in these negotiations. That's a relief, what exactly were we all worried about?

    It's interesting that you take David Davis' word as gospel though.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/pickardje/status/923127535772282881

    Well - he is correct. Of course, there is one flaw in his reasoning..... :D

    Just how divorced from reality are these people? He is supposed to be a senior govt Minister in a leading country. Unbelievable...
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Britain extricating itself from the European Union will be “incomparably more complex” than the first moon landing, an academic study has found.

    Roland Alter, a professor at Heilbronn University in Germany who specialises in risk assessment, said he had been inspired to carry out his analysis after comments by the Brexit secretary, David Davis, that he was “running a set of projects that make the Nasa moonshot look quite simple”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/24/brexit-more-complex-than-first-moon-landing-says-academic-study

    But eventually there was a successful touchdown in the Sea of Tranquillity.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Winstanley said:



    Did I say O'Mara's comments were Guido Fawkes' fault? No. I said these comments are the norm for a great lot of this country, and that Guido's website has played a key role in dragging this kind of vile culture into political commentary (e.g. http://www.francisbeckett.co.uk/latest-blog/5-general/118-why-right-wing-internet-thugs-threaten-our-freedom).

    Penny quotes comments about her on Staines’s site. "Perhaps Sharia might be a good thing after all, if Ms Penny was not allowed out without a member of her Family and we did not have to look at her face, also we could stone her to death...” "Call me old fashioned bt this young lady shouid [sic] be whipped through the streets of London before being made to suck Ken Livingstones cock as people throw shit at the pair of them." She asked for these to be taken down and the men who run the site told her to get a sense of humour.

    Guido has allowed and encouraged a lot worse from his supporters. He's not part of the cure 'shining a light' on anything, but part of the disease.

    You went BTL

    Don't go BTL

  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited October 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Britain extricating itself from the European Union will be “incomparably more complex” than the first moon landing, an academic study has found.

    Roland Alter, a professor at Heilbronn University in Germany who specialises in risk assessment, said he had been inspired to carry out his analysis after comments by the Brexit secretary, David Davis, that he was “running a set of projects that make the Nasa moonshot look quite simple”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/24/brexit-more-complex-than-first-moon-landing-says-academic-study

    Experts! What do they know? :confounded:
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited October 2017
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Anorak, https://twitter.com/LORDMARKPRICE/status/922849596853968898

    If all of the other signatories agree...

    Take Back Control!
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