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Yup, is the issues I've flagged up on here.MarkHopkins said:
If they could stop all the money going to the head of the household, then we're cooking on gas.0 -
+1AlastairMeeks said:The problem is less the ownership structure and more the pressures on management and workforce. Nationalised industries did badly in Britain in the 1970s because they were more geared towards the interests of the producer than towards the interests of the nation, the consumer or the customer.
It is entirely conceivable to have nationalised industries that are focused, more usefully, on other interests. I am, however, sceptical whether Mr Corbyn is the man to find a different path from the one walked in the 1970s.0 -
What I do wonder is whether present-day expectations would force nationalised industries down a different path.AlastairMeeks said:The problem is less the ownership structure and more the pressures on management and workforce. Nationalised industries did badly in Britain in the 1970s because they were more geared towards the interests of the producer than towards the interests of the nation, the consumer or the customer.
It is entirely conceivable to have nationalised industries that are focused, more usefully, on other interests. I am, however, sceptical whether Mr Corbyn is the man to find a different path from the one walked in the 1970s.
I also wonder where Brexit would come in the priorities of a Labour government taking office under the terms of the FTPA. They wouldn't be looking at the usual 5 year term.0 -
If they are worried about people claiming more than they are entitled to they should spend more on reclaiming it back when people get off benefits, that or modify how much they receive in future months to make up the amount owed.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, is the issues I've flagged up on here.MarkHopkins said:
If they could stop all the money going to the head of the household, then we're cooking on gas.
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Mr. Hopkins, indeed, that seems rather common sense.0
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David Davis is the only Leave leader to have engaged with Brexit and it seems to have broken him. I regret that. Credit to him for trying.Scott_P said:0 -
How much does a primary head/deputy earn? Grandson’a primary school teacher.nielh said:
I think it becomes a significant problem if you hit £41k, which is not unrealistic if you are 10 years in to your career in the public sector (although many will not).OldKingCole said:
My teacher grandchildren are paying back their loans. Two/three years out of Uni. And no way are they on £90k. 27 or so.Pulpstar said:
The interest rate on student loans doesn't actually matter these days unless you're pulling ~ 90k on graduation..Scrapheap_as_was said:
The proposed raising of the income threshold when student 9% marginal tax becomes payable is a massive improvement.Chameleon said:In other news RPI is now at 3.9%, making the interest on student loans 6.9%! A student in the last year of their course will accrue 3,500 odd pounds of interest alone this year... and people wonder why the couple of hundred quid that generous Phil gave us a few weeks ago didn't have much effect.
Even on the lower rate, say you had borrowed £55k over three years, your loan would be increasing by about £181 per month just in interest payments at the beginning of the repayment term. So, in reality, if you are a public sector worker you will never really reduce the debt burden, it just acts as an additional tax.
Vote Corbyn, take back control.0 -
....and in further good news the OECD have just said that reversing Brexit would boost the economy. So good news for the many if not the Tory fruitcakesStark_Dawning said:I see Fraser Nelson is still clinging to this line that 'No Deal' is just some kind of glorified negotiating tactic.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/amber-rudd-says-that-a-no-deal-brexit-is-unthinkable-shes-very-wrong/
I think he's just trying to convince himself. Cliff-edge Brexit is now the prevailing desire within the Leave movement. In fact, it's amazing how the quickly and seamlessly the Ultras have seized the agenda. The Softies have barely put up a fight.
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And much of the issues across the country these days in terms of poor service is due to the publically owned Network Rail not the private companies.justin124 said:
Railtrack collapsed and has already been replaced by Network Rail . I think the intention is to return the services to the public sector as existing franchises expire. Not much cost involved there.MarqueeMark said:
But where is rail renationalisation in the list of priorities? How many of those who commute by car for example want umpteen billions spent on the trains versus the NHS? Where Corbyn's Labour is utterly exposed is in believing they can have all of these things.HYUFD said:In Singapore the state also spends just 14% of gdp compared to 42% in the UK and taxes just 17% of gdp compared to 36% in the UK.
It is also not the case that all European rail is fully nationalised, even Sweden has some private rail companies, though I accept UK public opinion favours rail renationalisation at the moment0 -
Roger said:
....and in further good news the OECD have just said that reversing Brexit would boost the economy. So good news for the many if not the Tory fruitcakesStark_Dawning said:I see Fraser Nelson is still clinging to this line that 'No Deal' is just some kind of glorified negotiating tactic.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/amber-rudd-says-that-a-no-deal-brexit-is-unthinkable-shes-very-wrong/
I think he's just trying to convince himself. Cliff-edge Brexit is now the prevailing desire within the Leave movement. In fact, it's amazing how the quickly and seamlessly the Ultras have seized the agenda. The Softies have barely put up a fight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41652416
Is that the same OECD that said joining the ERM was a good idea?
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Bloody experts!Roger said:
....and in further good news the OECD have just said that reversing Brexit would boost the economy. So good news for the many if not the Tory fruitcakesStark_Dawning said:I see Fraser Nelson is still clinging to this line that 'No Deal' is just some kind of glorified negotiating tactic.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/amber-rudd-says-that-a-no-deal-brexit-is-unthinkable-shes-very-wrong/
I think he's just trying to convince himself. Cliff-edge Brexit is now the prevailing desire within the Leave movement. In fact, it's amazing how the quickly and seamlessly the Ultras have seized the agenda. The Softies have barely put up a fight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-416524160 -
Their self-built bomb, aka UC, just keeps ticking away.TOPPING said:
How much nastier does TMay want the Cons to be seen as?MarkHopkins said:0 -
Do we know they were wrong? The Germans have an economy we can only drool overMarkHopkins said:Roger said:
....and in further good news the OECD have just said that reversing Brexit would boost the economy. So good news for the many if not the Tory fruitcakesStark_Dawning said:I see Fraser Nelson is still clinging to this line that 'No Deal' is just some kind of glorified negotiating tactic.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/amber-rudd-says-that-a-no-deal-brexit-is-unthinkable-shes-very-wrong/
I think he's just trying to convince himself. Cliff-edge Brexit is now the prevailing desire within the Leave movement. In fact, it's amazing how the quickly and seamlessly the Ultras have seized the agenda. The Softies have barely put up a fight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41652416
Is that the same OECD that said joining the ERM was a good idea?0 -
Roger said:
Do we know they were wrong? The Germans have an economy we can only drool overMarkHopkins said:Roger said:
....and in further good news the OECD have just said that reversing Brexit would boost the economy. So good news for the many if not the Tory fruitcakesStark_Dawning said:I see Fraser Nelson is still clinging to this line that 'No Deal' is just some kind of glorified negotiating tactic.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/amber-rudd-says-that-a-no-deal-brexit-is-unthinkable-shes-very-wrong/
I think he's just trying to convince himself. Cliff-edge Brexit is now the prevailing desire within the Leave movement. In fact, it's amazing how the quickly and seamlessly the Ultras have seized the agenda. The Softies have barely put up a fight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41652416
Is that the same OECD that said joining the ERM was a good idea?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday
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When is someone going to put this failing government out of its misery?0
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Clearly our period of ERM membership was a roaring successRoger said:
Do we know they were wrong? The Germans have an economy we can only drool overMarkHopkins said:Roger said:
....and in further good news the OECD have just said that reversing Brexit would boost the economy. So good news for the many if not the Tory fruitcakesStark_Dawning said:I see Fraser Nelson is still clinging to this line that 'No Deal' is just some kind of glorified negotiating tactic.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/amber-rudd-says-that-a-no-deal-brexit-is-unthinkable-shes-very-wrong/
I think he's just trying to convince himself. Cliff-edge Brexit is now the prevailing desire within the Leave movement. In fact, it's amazing how the quickly and seamlessly the Ultras have seized the agenda. The Softies have barely put up a fight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41652416
Is that the same OECD that said joining the ERM was a good idea?0 -
Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.0 -
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.0 -
Oh, absolutely, I wouldn't recommend anyone posts names here.0
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Just add Hillary for a game of Snog, Marry, Avoid.williamglenn said:0 -
Nope. He gave himself the job which suggested he had prepared for it and would have a plan to execute. He had not thought about it more than he thought he would like the job and evidently has no plan.FF43 said:
David Davis is the only Leave leader to have engaged with Brexit and it seems to have broken him. I regret that. Credit to him for trying.Scott_P said:0 -
No it was ruined by Osborne.TheScreamingEagles said:
It was ruined by IDS.SandyRentool said:
By rejecting a Cameron/Osborne policy? Agreed.TheScreamingEagles said:
Johnny Mercer showing sound judgment once again.calum said:0 -
This tweet needs to be shared more often, he's a pound shop Sion SimonTOPPING said:
Nope. He gave himself the job which suggested he had prepared for it and would have a plan to execute. He had not thought about it more than he thought he would like the job and evidently has no plan.FF43 said:
David Davis is the only Leave leader to have engaged with Brexit and it seems to have broken him. I regret that. Credit to him for trying.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/7357700738229616640 -
Er yes we know they were wrong. It was called Black Wednesday.Roger said:
Do we know they were wrong? The Germans have an economy we can only drool overMarkHopkins said:Roger said:
....and in further good news the OECD have just said that reversing Brexit would boost the economy. So good news for the many if not the Tory fruitcakesStark_Dawning said:I see Fraser Nelson is still clinging to this line that 'No Deal' is just some kind of glorified negotiating tactic.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/amber-rudd-says-that-a-no-deal-brexit-is-unthinkable-shes-very-wrong/
I think he's just trying to convince himself. Cliff-edge Brexit is now the prevailing desire within the Leave movement. In fact, it's amazing how the quickly and seamlessly the Ultras have seized the agenda. The Softies have barely put up a fight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41652416
Is that the same OECD that said joining the ERM was a good idea?0 -
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!0 -
I feel a twinge of sympathy for DD. Regardless of his other failures - losing the Tory leadership contest, the civil-liberties crusade that never was - he'll be remembered as the greater Brexit negotiator who only managed to delivery WTO terms. A sad and humiliating legacy for him, though he won't be alone.TheScreamingEagles said:
This tweet needs to be shared more often, he's a pound shop Sion SimonTOPPING said:
Nope. He gave himself the job which suggested he had prepared for it and would have a plan to execute. He had not thought about it more than he thought he would like the job and evidently has no plan.FF43 said:
David Davis is the only Leave leader to have engaged with Brexit and it seems to have broken him. I regret that. Credit to him for trying.Scott_P said:
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Indeed - Kez is spot onfoxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
https://twitter.com/kezdugdale/status/9202288053101076480 -
Nearly evening all
I hope OGH's turn at Westminster went well.
I would have liked to comment on the previous so I will.
My experience of betting (on horses not politics) is there is often a herd instinct. I once attended Lingfield for a routine Polytrack meeting and didn't look at the form or buy a racecard. I simply followed the money all afternoon - if a horse was backed in a race at whatever the price, I backed it.
I made money - not a lot and less than if I had taken the best prices about the supported horses but money was made. So much then for form analysis, paddock inspection and the like - simply follow what the shrewdies are doing and clean up.
Information is king and knowing it before everyone else makes you top dog. We all gasp at tweets showing "fascinating" or "surprising" poll numbers in advance (expectations not always delivered) but to close out that position or go in further is based on instinct or if you're really lucky, prior knowledge.
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Perhaps May should try hand gestures.
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/9202979188500070400 -
interpretative dance anyone...williamglenn said:Perhaps May should try hand gestures.
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/9202979188500070400 -
http://time.com/4337372/30-of-female-doctors-have-been-sexually-harassed/foxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
30 = 30%, and the text makes clear this is harassment by male colleagues, not patients.
As we laymen say: Physician, heal thyself.0 -
TMay is, of course, effing useless. But I do feel she was dealt a bum-hand by Cameron, who did absolutely no contingency planning for what was a distinctly possible outcome of the referendum he called, and then just walked away when it didn't go his way. He should be getting a hell of a lot more flack for all this than he is currently getting.eek said:
interpretative dance anyone...williamglenn said:Perhaps May should try hand gestures.
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/9202979188500070400 -
No sympathy, he's a preening twat, has always been a preening twat, and always will be a preening twat.Stark_Dawning said:
I feel a twinge of sympathy for DD. Regardless of his other failures - losing the Tory leadership contest, the civil-liberties crusade that never was - he'll be remembered as the greater Brexit negotiator who only managed to delivery WTO terms. A sad and humiliating legacy for him, though he won't be alone.TheScreamingEagles said:
This tweet needs to be shared more often, he's a pound shop Sion SimonTOPPING said:
Nope. He gave himself the job which suggested he had prepared for it and would have a plan to execute. He had not thought about it more than he thought he would like the job and evidently has no plan.FF43 said:
David Davis is the only Leave leader to have engaged with Brexit and it seems to have broken him. I regret that. Credit to him for trying.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/735770073822961664
The fact he's a hypocrite as well too.
Going to European courts to stop the government, introducing a de facto ID cards for EU citizens post Brexit, and opposing same sex marriage isn't the sign of a civil libertarian, the opposite in fact.0 -
I'm quite happy to teach Mrs May my dance moves.eek said:
interpretative dance anyone...williamglenn said:Perhaps May should try hand gestures.
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/9202979188500070400 -
Don't worry Liam Fox says it will be alright
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/9203354442351697920 -
It will be a totally different unpredictable type of armageddon?TheScreamingEagles said:Don't worry Liam Fox says it will be alright
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/9203354442351697920 -
That was bad news for Iraq, but it didn't in the end cause lasting damage to the economic livelihoods of the people of this country.Mortimer said:
Failing?Jonathan said:When is someone going to put this failing government out of its misery?
We haven't invaded a foreign country under it. Beats Blair's term by a mile because of that.0 -
It'll be worse.Jonathan said:
It will be a totally different unpredictable type of armageddon?TheScreamingEagles said:Don't worry Liam Fox says it will be alright
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/920335444235169792
Remember when Dr Fox said getting a deal with the EU would be the easiest thing in the world.0 -
You know what, I think we should give Mrs May some credit.
She put Boris, DD, and Liam Fox in key Brexit roles and let the fuck up.
That's great karma.0 -
I couldn't agree more. In particular, the "Cameron was so much better than May" schtick doesn't really go anywhere, because May is Cameron's legacy. The worse she sucks, the worse he looks.ThomasNashe said:
TMay is, of course, effing useless. But I do feel she was dealt a bum-hand by Cameron, who did absolutely no contingency planning for what was a distinctly possible outcome of the referendum he called, and then just walked away when it didn't go his way. He should be getting a hell of a lot more flack for all this than he is currently getting.eek said:
interpretative dance anyone...williamglenn said:Perhaps May should try hand gestures.
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/920297918850007040
Also, giving Work & Pensions to IDS is looking to have been a major unforced error.0 -
I'm undecided whether we're just being softened up for the inevitable failure, or cliff-edge Brexit was the secret plan all along. I'm hoping the former, as the latter would indicate the most egregious example of political cynicism I've ever encountered.TheScreamingEagles said:Don't worry Liam Fox says it will be alright
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/9203354442351697920 -
The referendum campaign all makes sense if you think Boris et al weren't expecting to win, but solely focused on the next Tory leadership contest.Stark_Dawning said:
I'm undecided whether we're just being softened up for the inevitable failure, or cliff-edge Brexit was the secret plan all along. I'm hoping the former, as the latter would indicate the most egregious example of political cynicism I've ever encountered.TheScreamingEagles said:Don't worry Liam Fox says it will be alright
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/9203354442351697920 -
Some people feel more strongly about dead brownies than about wages-stagnating-in-real-terms whities. Bizarre, but there it is.ThomasNashe said:
That was bad news for Iraq, but it didn't in the end cause lasting damage to the economic livelihoods of the people of this country.Mortimer said:
Failing?Jonathan said:When is someone going to put this failing government out of its misery?
We haven't invaded a foreign country under it. Beats Blair's term by a mile because of that.0 -
The point that she's missing with Weinstein is that his relationships with young starlets were for the most part transactional. He pays them in kind with parts in his movies.calum said:
Indeed - Kez is spot onfoxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
https://twitter.com/kezdugdale/status/920228805310107648
It's in no way reasonable but little different from Mrs Trump who clearly wasn't seduced by Donald's good looks or any number of middle aged men who travel to Thailand and have sex with young Thai girls with the promise of a fee.0 -
Yup.Ishmael_Z said:
Some people feel more strongly about dead brownies than about wages-stagnating-in-real-terms whities. Bizarre, but there it is.ThomasNashe said:
That was bad news for Iraq, but it didn't in the end cause lasting damage to the economic livelihoods of the people of this country.Mortimer said:
Failing?Jonathan said:When is someone going to put this failing government out of its misery?
We haven't invaded a foreign country under it. Beats Blair's term by a mile because of that.
Clement Attlee should be regarded as a national disgrace for his role in the partition of India.
But he set up the NHS so people love him.0 -
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" is an exceptionally sound principle.Stark_Dawning said:
I'm undecided whether we're just being softened up for the inevitable failure, or cliff-edge Brexit was the secret plan all along. I'm hoping the former, as the latter would indicate the most egregious example of political cynicism I've ever encountered.TheScreamingEagles said:Don't worry Liam Fox says it will be alright
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/9203354442351697920 -
This is a fascinating article on vehicle emissions:
https://tinyurl.com/y8cj3jzw
I have a 2010 diesel Corsa and suspect it's probably better than most modern diesels.0 -
Mr. Z, indeed, the Battle of Arausio springs to mind.
The Romans were facing a tribe, the Cimbri, to whom they'd lost a number of major battles in recent history. They were also massively outnumbered. Yet, despite that, the two co-leaders of the army loathed one another so much they didn't co-ordinate tactics at all.
The loss of the Roman army was pretty much total.
As an aside, one of the chaps, Quintus Servilis Caepio, is also reputed to have made the largest theft in history. The billions of pounds worth of gold he nicked has never been found.
And with that, I must be off.0 -
Quite so. Most people are not vindictive, they are just inadequate.Ishmael_Z said:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" is an exceptionally sound principle.Stark_Dawning said:
I'm undecided whether we're just being softened up for the inevitable failure, or cliff-edge Brexit was the secret plan all along. I'm hoping the former, as the latter would indicate the most egregious example of political cynicism I've ever encountered.TheScreamingEagles said:Don't worry Liam Fox says it will be alright
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/9203354442351697920 -
09 Peugeot 207 here. 74k of which about 61 are minetlg86 said:This is a fascinating article on vehicle emissions:
https://tinyurl.com/y8cj3jzw
I have a 2010 diesel Corsa and suspect it's probably better than most modern diesels. 0 -
That was in America, but as I said careers where patronage and networking make a difference are very vulnerable to this. I suspect Britain is not far different.Ishmael_Z said:
http://time.com/4337372/30-of-female-doctors-have-been-sexually-harassed/foxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
30 = 30%, and the text makes clear this is harassment by male colleagues, not patients.
As we laymen say: Physician, heal thyself.
I cannot say that I have been aware of sexual harrassment during my working life in Leicester Hospitals. It may just be that as a middle aged white bloke, I am not likely to be harrassed!
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It does feel as though there’s been a mood change and they are becoming figures of derision across the spectrum.TheScreamingEagles said:You know what, I think we should give Mrs May some credit.
She put Boris, DD, and Liam Fox in key Brexit roles and let the fuck up.
That's great karma.0 -
I think the question for us middle-aged white blokes (assuming we're not guilty of harassment ourselves) is whether we've witnessed it, and if so, whether we've done anything about it.foxinsoxuk said:
That was in America, but as I said careers where patronage and networking make a difference are very vulnerable to this. I suspect Britain is not far different.Ishmael_Z said:
http://time.com/4337372/30-of-female-doctors-have-been-sexually-harassed/foxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
30 = 30%, and the text makes clear this is harassment by male colleagues, not patients.
As we laymen say: Physician, heal thyself.
I cannot say that I have been aware of sexual harrassment during my working life in Leicester Hospitals. It may just be that as a middle aged white bloke, I am not likely to be harrassed!0 -
That was a truly fascinating and informative article. Thank you.tlg86 said:This is a fascinating article on vehicle emissions:
https://tinyurl.com/y8cj3jzw
I have a 2010 diesel Corsa and suspect it's probably better than most modern diesels.
It gives me another reason to run my old faithful with 150,000 exactly on the clock for another couple of years too!0 -
I disagree. I think the author's puns are awful. I say he is an ass who has reached Bottom.TheScreamingEagles said:We have a winner
https://twitter.com/HonestFrank/status/920301688455680007
My coat's on the hook by the door if anyone wants to pass it!0 -
It was a deeply annoying article; one where the author wanted a certain conclusion and was (shock, horror) surprised when he didn't get the one he wanted. A lot of waffle for very few facts.ydoethur said:
That was a truly fascinating and informative article. Thank you.tlg86 said:This is a fascinating article on vehicle emissions:
https://tinyurl.com/y8cj3jzw
I have a 2010 diesel Corsa and suspect it's probably better than most modern diesels.
It gives me another reason to run my old faithful with 150,000 exactly on the clock for another couple of years too!
(A bit like my posts, then ... )0 -
I haven't witnessed it, and have mentored a number of female junior doctors through a number of personal and professional difficulties, none of whom have raised it.ThomasNashe said:
I think the question for us middle-aged white blokes (assuming we're not guilty of harassment ourselves) is whether we've witnessed it, and if so, whether we've done anything about it.foxinsoxuk said:
That was in America, but as I said careers where patronage and networking make a difference are very vulnerable to this. I suspect Britain is not far different.Ishmael_Z said:
http://time.com/4337372/30-of-female-doctors-have-been-sexually-harassed/foxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
30 = 30%, and the text makes clear this is harassment by male colleagues, not patients.
As we laymen say: Physician, heal thyself.
I cannot say that I have been aware of sexual harrassment during my working life in Leicester Hospitals. It may just be that as a middle aged white bloke, I am not likely to be harrassed!
I ha ve my office arranged so that whoever I am meeting is closer to the door, and try to keep such meetings within work hours, so that there are others in the office suite.
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Nothing wrong with public ownership or any of the policies associated with old mainsream Labour -the Labour of Attlee, Wilson and Callaghan.
But there is something very very very wrong with Corbyn and mcDonnell who are hard left Marxists trying to re-invent themselves into the mainstream.0 -
You are very wise to organise your meetings in such a manner. But if you have not noticed abuses, perhaps it is time to ask whether your eyes have been fully open. Because in organisations as big as a hospital, it *will* happen.foxinsoxuk said:
I haven't witnessed it, and have mentored a number of female junior doctors through a number of personal and professional difficulties, none of whom have raised it.ThomasNashe said:
I think the question for us middle-aged white blokes (assuming we're not guilty of harassment ourselves) is whether we've witnessed it, and if so, whether we've done anything about it.foxinsoxuk said:
That was in America, but as I said careers where patronage and networking make a difference are very vulnerable to this. I suspect Britain is not far different.Ishmael_Z said:
http://time.com/4337372/30-of-female-doctors-have-been-sexually-harassed/foxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
30 = 30%, and the text makes clear this is harassment by male colleagues, not patients.
As we laymen say: Physician, heal thyself.
I cannot say that I have been aware of sexual harrassment during my working life in Leicester Hospitals. It may just be that as a middle aged white bloke, I am not likely to be harrassed!
I ha ve my office arranged so that whoever I am meeting is closer to the door, and try to keep such meetings within work hours, so that there are others in the office suite.
Workplace romances are a difficult area to navigate, and the maps should be annotated with 'there be dragons', in every sense.
Then there are those few sick doctors and nurses who prey on patients ...
If you have any authority over another person, you need to be really careful about how you start a personal relationship with that person.0 -
I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?0
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Did he take the gold to what is now Nigeria? I wonder!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Z, indeed, the Battle of Arausio springs to mind.
The Romans were facing a tribe, the Cimbri, to whom they'd lost a number of major battles in recent history. They were also massively outnumbered. Yet, despite that, the two co-leaders of the army loathed one another so much they didn't co-ordinate tactics at all.
The loss of the Roman army was pretty much total.
As an aside, one of the chaps, Quintus Servilis Caepio, is also reputed to have made the largest theft in history. The billions of pounds worth of gold he nicked has never been found.
And with that, I must be off.0 -
That's probably fair, I should have said read the intro and then skip to the end. But I find the stuff about the tests being completely disconnected from reality very depressing.JosiasJessop said:
It was a deeply annoying article; one where the author wanted a certain conclusion and was (shock, horror) surprised when he didn't get the one he wanted. A lot of waffle for very few facts.ydoethur said:
That was a truly fascinating and informative article. Thank you.tlg86 said:This is a fascinating article on vehicle emissions:
https://tinyurl.com/y8cj3jzw
I have a 2010 diesel Corsa and suspect it's probably better than most modern diesels.
It gives me another reason to run my old faithful with 150,000 exactly on the clock for another couple of years too!
(A bit like my posts, then ... )
One stat I did like was the fuel efficiency of the 23 year-old Golf. I guess it compares well with modern petrol cars on the basis that cars have probably become heavier over the years.0 -
As it happens, I married the woman I supervised.JosiasJessop said:
You are very wise to organise your meetings in such a manner. But if you have not noticed abuses, perhaps it is time to ask whether your eyes have been fully open. Because in organisations as big as a hospital, it *will* happen.foxinsoxuk said:
I haven't witnessed it, and have mentored a number of female junior doctors through a number of personal and professional difficulties, none of whom have raised it.ThomasNashe said:
I think the question for us middle-aged white blokes (assuming we're not guilty of harassment ourselves) is whether we've witnessed it, and if so, whether we've done anything about it.foxinsoxuk said:
That was in America, but as I said careers where patronage and networking make a difference are very vulnerable to this. I suspect Britain is not far different.Ishmael_Z said:
http://time.com/4337372/30-of-female-doctors-have-been-sexually-harassed/foxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
30 = 30%, and the text makes clear this is harassment by male colleagues, not patients.
As we laymen say: Physician, heal thyself.
I cannot say that I have been aware of sexual harrassment during my working life in Leicester Hospitals. It may just be that as a middle aged white bloke, I am not likely to be harrassed!
I ha ve my office arranged so that whoever I am meeting is closer to the door, and try to keep such meetings within work hours, so that there are others in the office suite.
Workplace romances are a difficult area to navigate, and the maps should be annotated with 'there be dragons', in every sense. Then there are those few sick doctors and nurses who prey on patients ...
If you have any authority over another person, you need to be really careful about how you start a personal relationship with that person.0 -
I suspect, indeed I'm reasonably sure that, as an elderly white bloke, I've been guilty, ever so many years ago, of what in today's terms would be called harassment. However, when I was working the NHS, I followed Dr Fox's rule. Although I knew people who didn't.foxinsoxuk said:
I haven't witnessed it, and have mentored a number of female junior doctors through a number of personal and professional difficulties, none of whom have raised it.ThomasNashe said:
I think the question for us middle-aged white blokes (assuming we're not guilty of harassment ourselves) is whether we've witnessed it, and if so, whether we've done anything about it.foxinsoxuk said:
That was in America, but as I said careers where patronage and networking make a difference are very vulnerable to this. I suspect Britain is not far different.Ishmael_Z said:
http://time.com/4337372/30-of-female-doctors-have-been-sexually-harassed/foxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
30 = 30%, and the text makes clear this is harassment by male colleagues, not patients.
As we laymen say: Physician, heal thyself.
I cannot say that I have been aware of sexual harrassment during my working life in Leicester Hospitals. It may just be that as a middle aged white bloke, I am not likely to be harrassed!
I ha ve my office arranged so that whoever I am meeting is closer to the door, and try to keep such meetings within work hours, so that there are others in the office suite.
And I knew people who set out to be paternalistic.0 -
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
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The DUP will be the key - Tory by-elections seem fairly rare, and while the Tories might hope to ditch May and get a new leader in who leads to a polling bump they can try to take advantage of, with Brexit at best being messy, that seems unlikely to me.justin124 said:0 -
Gay and Jewish? It's odds on he'd be a fascist or Nazi.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Just catching up with OGH's grilling at Parliament earlier today... some interesting questions.0
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Defintely harassment!Sean_F said:
As it happens, I married the woman I supervised.JosiasJessop said:
You are very wise to organise your meetings in such a manner. But if you have not noticed abuses, perhaps it is time to ask whether your eyes have been fully open. Because in organisations as big as a hospital, it *will* happen.foxinsoxuk said:
I haven't witnessed it, and have mentored a number of female junior doctors through a number of personal and professional difficulties, none of whom have raised it.ThomasNashe said:
I think the question for us middle-aged white blokes (assuming we're not guilty of harassment ourselves) is whether we've witnessed it, and if so, whether we've done anything about it.foxinsoxuk said:
That was in America, but as I said careers where patronage and networking make a difference are very vulnerable to this. I suspect Britain is not far different.Ishmael_Z said:
http://time.com/4337372/30-of-female-doctors-have-been-sexually-harassed/foxinsoxuk said:
That is the real story of Weinstein.RobD said:
I think it’s safe to say we should not speculate, I think OGH enjoys having money.El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
Sexual harrassment in the workplace is very common in many workplaces, particularly in areas relying on patronage and networking. Jounalism, Media and politics all come into this basket, as we Lib Dems know.
As we Doctors say: There is a lot of it about!
30 = 30%, and the text makes clear this is harassment by male colleagues, not patients.
As we laymen say: Physician, heal thyself.
I cannot say that I have been aware of sexual harrassment during my working life in Leicester Hospitals. It may just be that as a middle aged white bloke, I am not likely to be harrassed!
I ha ve my office arranged so that whoever I am meeting is closer to the door, and try to keep such meetings within work hours, so that there are others in the office suite.
Workplace romances are a difficult area to navigate, and the maps should be annotated with 'there be dragons', in every sense. Then there are those few sick doctors and nurses who prey on patients ...
If you have any authority over another person, you need to be really careful about how you start a personal relationship with that person.0 -
Understand the chimney sweep reference but not the plimsol line, is it related to slaveryIshmael_Z said:
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
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Plimsoll lines wee introduced after a Parliamentary campaign by Samuel Plimsoll because overloaded ships were sinking, consequently drowning sailors. The cargos were, of course, insured.nichomar said:
Understand the chimney sweep reference but not the plimsol line, is it related to slaveryIshmael_Z said:
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
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So did I.Sean_F said:As it happens, I married the woman I supervised.
When I started dating Mrs J, there was a certain 'dance' that we both went through. I was her project manager (not line manager), and we both were rather careful. The first thing we did after we got personal (ahem) was tell our respective bosses, even if no-one else in the company got to know about it for a year. My boss had a chat with Mrs J, and Mrs J's boss with me, to check that there was no dodgeiness. Since her boss was a strict Catholic, the conversation was rather hilarious. "Are your intentions honourable?"
We need to allow people to form relationships at work (within reason - teachers and over-16 pupils being a case otherwise), whilst ensuring that abuse does not occur. That can be a very fine line.0 -
The point being that unscrpulous employers put profit before safeyOldKingCole said:
Plimsoll lines wee introduced after a Parliamentary campaign by Samuel Plimsoll because overloaded ships were sinking, consequently drowning sailors. The cargos were, of course, insured.nichomar said:
Understand the chimney sweep reference but not the plimsol line, is it related to slaveryIshmael_Z said:
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
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Indeed.nichomar said:
The point being that unscrpulous employers put profit before safeyOldKingCole said:
Plimsoll lines wee introduced after a Parliamentary campaign by Samuel Plimsoll because overloaded ships were sinking, consequently drowning sailors. The cargos were, of course, insured.nichomar said:
Understand the chimney sweep reference but not the plimsol line, is it related to slaveryIshmael_Z said:
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
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At times at the ONS it felt like you were weird if you weren't seeing/married to another member of staff!JosiasJessop said:
So did I.Sean_F said:As it happens, I married the woman I supervised.
When I started dating Mrs J, there was a certain 'dance' that we both went through. I was her project manager (not line manager), and we both were rather careful. The first thing we did after we got personal (ahem) was tell our respective bosses, even if no-one else in the company got to know about it for a year. My boss had a chat with Mrs J, and Mrs J's boss with me, to check that there was no dodgeiness. Since her boss was a strict Catholic, the conversation was rather hilarious. "Are your intentions honourable?"
We need to allow people to form relationships at work (within reason - teachers and over-16 pupils being a case otherwise), whilst ensuring that abuse does not occur. That can be a very fine line.0 -
My view is unrealistic in the real world but the companies that grow prgressively balance staff, shareholders and profit. It is good business but there are greedy people in the worldOldKingCole said:
Indeed.nichomar said:
The point being that unscrpulous employers put profit before safeyOldKingCole said:
Plimsoll lines wee introduced after a Parliamentary campaign by Samuel Plimsoll because overloaded ships were sinking, consequently drowning sailors. The cargos were, of course, insured.nichomar said:
Understand the chimney sweep reference but not the plimsol line, is it related to slaveryIshmael_Z said:
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
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This seems to be catching. My wife was a trainee geologist on my rig and I was her first supervisor. We married 3 years to the day after we met. As with JJ we told our bosses as soon as we became involved and after that were no longer allowed to work on the same rigs together which was fair enough. Though the company did try to make sure that , if we were willing to put in the extra time involved, they would try and keep our offshore rotations synchronised.JosiasJessop said:
So did I.Sean_F said:As it happens, I married the woman I supervised.
When I started dating Mrs J, there was a certain 'dance' that we both went through. I was her project manager (not line manager), and we both were rather careful. The first thing we did after we got personal (ahem) was tell our respective bosses, even if no-one else in the company got to know about it for a year. My boss had a chat with Mrs J, and Mrs J's boss with me, to check that there was no dodgeiness. Since her boss was a strict Catholic, the conversation was rather hilarious. "Are your intentions honourable?"
We need to allow people to form relationships at work (within reason - teachers and over-16 pupils being a case otherwise), whilst ensuring that abuse does not occur. That can be a very fine line.
At the same time I met my wife, another female geologist working for Shell had just married her long time partner. Even though their boss had known about their relationship, Shell's official policy was a complete ban on workplace relationships and so they tried to transfer then both to different parts of the world. Needless to say they both quit immediately and went to work for a more understanding company.0 -
No interstaff relationships at my work (So far as I know !), though there is alot of carry on (Yes it is both ways before anyone asks) between my subordinates and the workshop.tlg86 said:
At times at the ONS it felt like you were weird if you weren't seeing/married to another member of staff!JosiasJessop said:
So did I.Sean_F said:As it happens, I married the woman I supervised.
When I started dating Mrs J, there was a certain 'dance' that we both went through. I was her project manager (not line manager), and we both were rather careful. The first thing we did after we got personal (ahem) was tell our respective bosses, even if no-one else in the company got to know about it for a year. My boss had a chat with Mrs J, and Mrs J's boss with me, to check that there was no dodgeiness. Since her boss was a strict Catholic, the conversation was rather hilarious. "Are your intentions honourable?"
We need to allow people to form relationships at work (within reason - teachers and over-16 pupils being a case otherwise), whilst ensuring that abuse does not occur. That can be a very fine line.
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I always think being married to someone at the same organisation is dangerous - I have known husband-and-wife combinations get redundancies on the same day from the same org. For this reason, soon after Mrs J started living with me, we moved to different companies. (or at least one of us did).tlg86 said:
At times at the ONS it felt like you were weird if you weren't seeing/married to another member of staff!JosiasJessop said:
So did I.Sean_F said:As it happens, I married the woman I supervised.
When I started dating Mrs J, there was a certain 'dance' that we both went through. I was her project manager (not line manager), and we both were rather careful. The first thing we did after we got personal (ahem) was tell our respective bosses, even if no-one else in the company got to know about it for a year. My boss had a chat with Mrs J, and Mrs J's boss with me, to check that there was no dodgeiness. Since her boss was a strict Catholic, the conversation was rather hilarious. "Are your intentions honourable?"
We need to allow people to form relationships at work (within reason - teachers and over-16 pupils being a case otherwise), whilst ensuring that abuse does not occur. That can be a very fine line.0 -
I think you are absolutely right. I am not sure I would legislate overly to force them to do so beyond what we have now but I do think educating companies as to the advantages of having a happy balance is a good way forward.nichomar said:
My view is unrealistic in the real world but the companies that grow prgressively balance staff, shareholders and profit. It is good business but there are greedy people in the worldOldKingCole said:
Indeed.nichomar said:
The point being that unscrpulous employers put profit before safeyOldKingCole said:
Plimsoll lines wee introduced after a Parliamentary campaign by Samuel Plimsoll because overloaded ships were sinking, consequently drowning sailors. The cargos were, of course, insured.nichomar said:
Understand the chimney sweep reference but not the plimsol line, is it related to slaveryIshmael_Z said:
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
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Recruitment and training is an absolute ballache. I try and make clear how much I value my team at the annual appraisal.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think you are absolutely right. I am not sure I would legislate overly to force them to do so beyond what we have now but I do think educating companies as to the advantages of having a happy balance is a good way forward.nichomar said:
My view is unrealistic in the real world but the companies that grow prgressively balance staff, shareholders and profit. It is good business but there are greedy people in the worldOldKingCole said:
Indeed.nichomar said:
The point being that unscrpulous employers put profit before safeyOldKingCole said:
Plimsoll lines wee introduced after a Parliamentary campaign by Samuel Plimsoll because overloaded ships were sinking, consequently drowning sailors. The cargos were, of course, insured.nichomar said:
Understand the chimney sweep reference but not the plimsol line, is it related to slaveryIshmael_Z said:
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
But he sets the pay awards !0 -
Samuel Plimsoll was a classic case of how MPs should not just tackle issues their constituents are concerned with. As MP for Derby, he was about as far from the sea as you can get (*), but he did his best work for advancing the cause of seamen.OldKingCole said:
Plimsoll lines wee introduced after a Parliamentary campaign by Samuel Plimsoll because overloaded ships were sinking, consequently drowning sailors. The cargos were, of course, insured.nichomar said:
Understand the chimney sweep reference but not the plimsol line, is it related to slaveryIshmael_Z said:
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
(*) Though the Vikings got as far as Repton ...0 -
Yes, that's true. A friend of mine married his boss (she interviewed and gave him the job in the first place which I find amusing), and she left soon after they started seeing each other to go to another company.JosiasJessop said:
I always think being married to someone at the same organisation is dangerous - I have known husband-and-wife combinations get redundancies on the same day from the same org. For this reason, soon after Mrs J started living with me, we moved to different companies. (or at least one of us did).tlg86 said:
At times at the ONS it felt like you were weird if you weren't seeing/married to another member of staff!JosiasJessop said:
So did I.Sean_F said:As it happens, I married the woman I supervised.
When I started dating Mrs J, there was a certain 'dance' that we both went through. I was her project manager (not line manager), and we both were rather careful. The first thing we did after we got personal (ahem) was tell our respective bosses, even if no-one else in the company got to know about it for a year. My boss had a chat with Mrs J, and Mrs J's boss with me, to check that there was no dodgeiness. Since her boss was a strict Catholic, the conversation was rather hilarious. "Are your intentions honourable?"
We need to allow people to form relationships at work (within reason - teachers and over-16 pupils being a case otherwise), whilst ensuring that abuse does not occur. That can be a very fine line.0 -
Something Elon Musk needs to learn ...Richard_Tyndall said:
I think you are absolutely right. I am not sure I would legislate overly to force them to do so beyond what we have now but I do think educating companies as to the advantages of having a happy balance is a good way forward.nichomar said:
My view is unrealistic in the real world but the companies that grow prgressively balance staff, shareholders and profit. It is good business but there are greedy people in the worldOldKingCole said:
Indeed.nichomar said:
The point being that unscrpulous employers put profit before safeyOldKingCole said:
Plimsoll lines wee introduced after a Parliamentary campaign by Samuel Plimsoll because overloaded ships were sinking, consequently drowning sailors. The cargos were, of course, insured.nichomar said:
Understand the chimney sweep reference but not the plimsol line, is it related to slaveryIshmael_Z said:
I think you are confusing capitalism with something else. Check out the Chimney Sweep Acts, and why there are Plimsoll lines on ships.nichomar said:I have a problem in that i believe companies that work well, deliver and dont rip off customers, shareholders and workers should be the norm. Also a good employer doent need a union because they put their employies first. Whay has capitalism lost the sense of the common good so everyone benifits?
https://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2017/10/tesla-fires-hundreds-of-workers/0 -
An interseting debabate, civalised and informed, would like to stay longer but off to bed!0
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El_Capitano said:
Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.
SeanT expose?El_Capitano said:Impending Twitter political journalism sh*tstorm:
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/920322079878275072
It's reasonably obvious, from replies downthread, who the allegations are about... only a matter of time before names are named.0 -
Crimewatch axed by BBC after 33 years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41648972
I thought the whole point of the telly tax was that bbc was to make programmes for the public good and not for ratings?0 -
On Sunday, Cambridge to London cost me just £16.90, so nerMortimer said:And I got to Cambridge and back yesterday, via London for £51.50. Bargain.
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Ain't really going to help catch criminals anymore, if no-one's watching it.FrancisUrquhart said:Crimewatch axed by BBC after 33 years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41648972
I thought the whole point of the telly tax was that bbc was to make programmes for the public good and not for ratings?0 -
It was up against Cold Feet and Broadchurch: good programs, but I'm unsure that they're for the 'public good'. When the BBC chase ratings, the public loses.ThomasNashe said:
Ain't really going to help catch criminals anymore, if no-one's watching it.FrancisUrquhart said:Crimewatch axed by BBC after 33 years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41648972
I thought the whole point of the telly tax was that bbc was to make programmes for the public good and not for ratings?0 -
It rarely made a difference in solving crimes even at its peak - I remember reading that only about 15 cases out of the hundreds they featured were solved from evidence obtained from people phoning into crimewatch. Mostly it was about the fear factor from showing the crime re-enactments, which were always good for ratings.ThomasNashe said:
Ain't really going to help catch criminals anymore, if no-one's watching it.FrancisUrquhart said:Crimewatch axed by BBC after 33 years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41648972
I thought the whole point of the telly tax was that bbc was to make programmes for the public good and not for ratings?0 -
£51.50 was for a first-class ticket I assume.Sunil_Prasannan said:
On Sunday, Cambridge to London cost me just £16.90, so nerMortimer said:And I got to Cambridge and back yesterday, via London for £51.50. Bargain.
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Off-topic:
An interesting (though technical) article about how the Cold War in space has never really ended, and how a small Yorkshire spot called Menwith Hill might be of global importance:
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3095/10
