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Yet another similarity with the Trumpettes, paranoia is rampant.glw said:
It's hardly surprising that Corbynistas are gullible.FrancisUrquhart said:I see BigJohnOwls is posting fake news horseshit again.
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We're all gullible, we just fall for different things. That canary one didn't even sound credible.glw said:
It's hardly surprising that Corbynistas are gullible.FrancisUrquhart said:I see BigJohnOwls is posting fake news horseshit again.
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I'm sorry you think you're being clever and cannot see the wood for the trees. How many BBC journalists did have to take bodyguards to Tory Conferences? You're the one making the comparison.....SouthamObserver said:
I am sorry you do not understand the point I am making.CarlottaVance said:
Like when BBC journalists had to be accompanied to Tory Conference by bodyguards, you mean?SouthamObserver said:
A made up story in the Canary.bigjohnowls said:BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.
Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.
All those Tories who have spent years howling at the BBC should look at the Labour left doing it now and feel utterly embarrassed. Yes, Tories, you really did look that stupid
Someone's looking really stupid......
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I'm still waiting for the moment when David Cameron steps out of the shower and tells Sam he had a terrible dream about calling a referendum...david_herdson said:
I hate to break it to you but 2017's nearly over. And as for 2016 ...Richard_Nabavi said:
It isn't worth the upheaval of change, which I think will be the calculation which many MPs would make at the moment. It would be much better to take our time and have a proper contest, with some fresher faces, in 2016 or 2017. But, if Boris does move, MPs' hands will be forced.PeterC said:
That would leave many with a distrinctly sinking feeling. It would be barely worth the upheaval of change.Richard_Nabavi said:I think that, if we had a contest soon, the choices presented to the members would be one of Hammond and Rudd (probably Hammond) vs one of DD and Boris (probably DD).
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Indeed, - I'm sure a seat could be found, but it'd look bad to rUn off from Holyrood.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.0 -
Straws Clutching comes to mind. You do know Sunny Jim had a sizeable lead over Maggie in 1979 on this measureblueblue said:
Haha - suck it, Corbyn!CarlottaVance said:0 -
https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/913062632235655169bigjohnowls said:The Screenshot of the 1 Oct 2017 meeting is made up??
http://evolvepolitics.com/bbcs-laura-kuenssberg-was-invited-to-speak-at-the-tory-conference-by-iain-duncan-smiths-thinktank/0 -
Good afternoon, Miss JGP.0
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True. What's also true is that Sunny Jim was a working-class patriot, not a commie con artist like Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Straws Clutching comes to mind. You do know Sunny Jim had a sizeable lead over Maggie in 1979 on this measureblueblue said:
Haha - suck it, Corbyn!CarlottaVance said:0 -
No, I am comparing the ridiculous anti-BBC ranting of @bigjohnowls with the ridiculous anti-BBC ranting of numerous Tories on here and elsewhere over the years.CarlottaVance said:
I'm sorry you think you're being clever and cannot see the wood for the trees. How many BBC journalists did have to take bodyguards to Tory Conferences? You're the one making the comparison.....SouthamObserver said:
I am sorry you do not understand the point I am making.CarlottaVance said:
Like when BBC journalists had to be accompanied to Tory Conference by bodyguards, you mean?SouthamObserver said:
A made up story in the Canary.bigjohnowls said:BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.
Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.
All those Tories who have spent years howling at the BBC should look at the Labour left doing it now and feel utterly embarrassed. Yes, Tories, you really did look that stupid
Someone's looking really stupid......
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I had an interesting chat with a friend from Kirkuk about this. She reckoned that Turkey will lay claim to the city, as a consequence of the treaty of Lausanne. Mostly this is because of Erdogan seeing himself as the heir to the Ottomans. She is ethnically Turkish and seems to have a dim view of Kurds, who she views as violent bandits. There maybe some truth to her view that the breakup of Iraq would breach the Treaty, at least from a Turkish perspective.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
https://www.voanews.com/a/turkey-erdogan-treaty-of-lausanne-borders/3547651.html0 -
Anyone can be invited to anything. The key thing is whether they accept. That said, numerous well-known Labour supporters have spoken at fringe Tory events over the years. Does that make them Tories?Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/913062632235655169bigjohnowls said:The Screenshot of the 1 Oct 2017 meeting is made up??
http://evolvepolitics.com/bbcs-laura-kuenssberg-was-invited-to-speak-at-the-tory-conference-by-iain-duncan-smiths-thinktank/
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MPs hands will be forced but the play they make will not be. Boris could resign, could ask his supporters to trigger a vote and then -Richard_Nabavi said:
It isn't worth the upheaval of change, which I think will be the calculation which many MPs would make at the moment. It would be much better to take our time and have a proper contest, with some fresher faces, in 2016 or 2017. But, if Boris does move, MPs' hands will be forced.PeterC said:
That would leave many with a distrinctly sinking feeling. It would be barely worth the upheaval of change.Richard_Nabavi said:I think that, if we had a contest soon, the choices presented to the members would be one of Hammond and Rudd (probably Hammond) vs one of DD and Boris (probably DD).
1. The Tory MPs rally round May, coming to the conclusion that no-one else would do a significantly better job and some might do a significantly worse one. She is primarily PM at the moment and not Tory Party leader. Preparing for the next election can wait.
2. The MPs decide that the instability can't go on, so prompt an election, either by carrying the Vote or by giving such a weak mandate that May resigns but then:
2a. Boris stands and finds himself the scapegoat for the infighting. He loses badly, early, and his political career is over.
2b. For all his faults, MPs decide that a frontman with pizzazz is necessary to combat Corbyn, so send him through to the members.
2b(i) The members distrust Boris enough to elect The Other One. Boris might get another cabinet offer or might not. Either way, he may well not take it.
2b(ii) The members roll the dice on the Fat Pop / Thin Pope principle.
3. The MPs cock it up and leave May wounded but not terminally. Her leadership limps on; Boris snipes from the backbenches.
Conclusion: there are lots of ways it could go wrong for many of the actors and relatively few which go right. In those circumstances, caution usually prevails.0 -
Follow the Earl of Home precedent.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.0 -
Dr. Foxinsox, sounds like she's hoping for that... Kirkuk is a long way into Iraq, about two-thirds. It's closer to Iran than Turkey.0
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Just over 2/3rds of all eligible voters for independence. A stonking mandate - I hope they can make a success of Kurdistan going forward. It won't be easy being surrounded by hostile countries, but they are a tough people.foxinsoxuk said:
I had an interesting chat with a friend from Kirkuk about this. She reckoned that Turkey will lay claim to the city, as a consequence of the treaty of Lausanne. Mostly this is because of Erdogan seeing himself as the heir to the Ottomans. She is ethnically Turkish and seems to have a dim view of Kurds, who she views as violent bandits. There maybe some truth to her view that the breakup of Iraq would breach the Treaty, at least from a Turkish perspective.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
https://www.voanews.com/a/turkey-erdogan-treaty-of-lausanne-borders/3547651.html0 -
Disclaim her hereditary title?TheScreamingEagles said:
Follow the Earl of Home precedent.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.0 -
Effectively it would be annexation of Kurdistan.Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxinsox, sounds like she's hoping for that... Kirkuk is a long way into Iraq, about two-thirds. It's closer to Iran than Turkey.
My friend is no Islamist, and born in Iraq, but ethnically Turkish.
Other Iraqi and Syrian friends are none too keen on the Kurds. I have never really gathered why.0 -
From the BBC ball by ball coverage.
Douglas Elder: 10am: England pick Gary Ballance 4pm: England get hammered by West Indies Don't tell me those things aren't connected somehow.0 -
Ambitious to be threatening retaliatory action against a big US company with lots of friends in very high places at the same time as marching towards a cliff edge Brexit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bombardier-michael-fallon-boeing-donald-trump-commerce-tariff-defence-secretary-uk-government-a7969676.html?amp0 -
More that you don't have to be an MP to become to be Tory Leader or Prime Minister.anothernick said:
Disclaim her hereditary title?TheScreamingEagles said:
Follow the Earl of Home precedent.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
Make Ruth Davidson a Peer, she can be PM from the Lords with Sir Michael Fallon as her representative on Earth.0 -
Probably calculating that being attacked by Trump (rhetorically) is a positive with the voters. The problem is that having previously held his hand and pledged to lead the world together with him, it just looks weak and pathetic.SouthamObserver said:Ambitious to be threatening retaliatory action against a big US company with lots of friends in very high places at the same time as marching towards a cliff edge Brexit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bombardier-michael-fallon-boeing-donald-trump-commerce-tariff-defence-secretary-uk-government-a7969676.html?amp0 -
It shows that free trade areas such as NAFTA are no guarantee of free trade, and also need independent dispute oversight.SouthamObserver said:Ambitious to be threatening retaliatory action against a big US company with lots of friends in very high places at the same time as marching towards a cliff edge Brexit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bombardier-michael-fallon-boeing-donald-trump-commerce-tariff-defence-secretary-uk-government-a7969676.html?amp0 -
I bet you think making huge numbers of your fellow countrymen so poor they need foodbanks is patriotic don't you?blueblue said:
True. What's also true is that Sunny Jim was a working-class patriot, not a commie con artist like Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Straws Clutching comes to mind. You do know Sunny Jim had a sizeable lead over Maggie in 1979 on this measureblueblue said:
Haha - suck it, Corbyn!CarlottaVance said:0 -
The significance for us is the DUP connection. It could put a real strain on a fragile coalition. Have they cashed their cheque yet?williamglenn said:
Probably calculating that being attacked by Trump (rhetorically) is a positive with the voters. The problem is that having previously held his hand and pledged to lead the world together with him, it just looks weak and pathetic.SouthamObserver said:Ambitious to be threatening retaliatory action against a big US company with lots of friends in very high places at the same time as marching towards a cliff edge Brexit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bombardier-michael-fallon-boeing-donald-trump-commerce-tariff-defence-secretary-uk-government-a7969676.html?amp0 -
There's a big shindig at the Foreign Office tonight at which Johnson and Fox are going to bless the launch of a new 'think tank' called the Institute for Free Trade whose President is Daniel Hannan, and claims such people as Tony Abbott and Michael Howard as its advisers.foxinsoxuk said:It shows that free trade areas such as NAFTA are no guarantee of free trade, and also need independent dispute oversight.
There's a Brexit swamp in London that needs draining.0 -
Or someone to say "because i'm a mum"david_herdson said:
They'd need to lose a lot of votes between an earlier and the final rounds. e.g.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, how would a candidate get over half the votes yet not get through to the members' round?
First
A 157
B 58
C 31
D 19
Second
B 106
C 81
A 78.
It would probably need the intervention of an investigative journalist.0 -
If the DUP were rational, it might also make them wonder whether they are backing the right union...foxinsoxuk said:The significance for us is the DUP connection. It could put a real strain on a fragile coalition. Have they cashed their cheque yet?
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Just as I'm sure you think leaving our country defenceless while robbing it blind makes you patriotic.bigjohnowls said:
I bet you think making huge numbers of your fellow countrymen so poor they need foodbanks is patriotic don't you?blueblue said:
True. What's also true is that Sunny Jim was a working-class patriot, not a commie con artist like Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Straws Clutching comes to mind. You do know Sunny Jim had a sizeable lead over Maggie in 1979 on this measureblueblue said:
Haha - suck it, Corbyn!CarlottaVance said:0 -
England already well ahead of the required run rate. Plain sailing from now on.0
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It also shows how post-Brexit UK will be vulnerable to this kind of action from protectionist countries like the US. We do not have the leverage the EU has.foxinsoxuk said:
It shows that free trade areas such as NAFTA are no guarantee of free trade, and also need independent dispute oversight.SouthamObserver said:Ambitious to be threatening retaliatory action against a big US company with lots of friends in very high places at the same time as marching towards a cliff edge Brexit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bombardier-michael-fallon-boeing-donald-trump-commerce-tariff-defence-secretary-uk-government-a7969676.html?amp
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All,
Thanks for your comments on my header.
I was trying to warn against complacency about Labour but, more importantly, about campaigning against his harmful policies in a hysterical and over the top matter at the last minute. Ruthless relentless focused dissection based on facts over time and based on voters' concerns is what is needed. Campaigns are won in the months and years before an election not in the final weeks.
The other critical point is that the Tories need to start making a positive case for an economy and polity that works well for a majority. They have completely failed to do so, indeed, seem incapable of doing so. And Brexit - or the extraordinarily narrow way they have interpreted it and are implementing it - is making that task near impossible.
Surely there is someone somewhere doing some hard thinking, surely?
That is why, as @Jonathan pointed out, Corbyn was seen as the safer option. I think though that those who think he is - either on the economy or on Brexit - are deluded and naive. To use a historical analogy: Mensheviks to his Bolsheviks.
Anyway am off for a bit to go canoeing and other enjoyable stuff.0 -
Well it's an idea but I somehow think that a PM who had not been elected to the House of Commons would only add to the Tories problems.TheScreamingEagles said:
More that you don't have to be an MP to become to be Tory Leader or Prime Minister.anothernick said:
Disclaim her hereditary title?TheScreamingEagles said:
Follow the Earl of Home precedent.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
Make Ruth Davidson a Peer, she can be PM from the Lords with Sir Michael Fallon as her representative on Earth.
Home disclaimed his title and a by-election was engineered in a safe Tory seat for him so he could be PM in the Commons. I can't see the Tories willingly creating a by-election now.0 -
Agreed the current Government has done that too. All in the name of Austerity and were no all in it togetherblueblue said:
Just as I'm sure you think leaving our country defenceless while robbing it blind makes you patriotic.bigjohnowls said:
I bet you think making huge numbers of your fellow countrymen so poor they need foodbanks is patriotic don't you?blueblue said:
True. What's also true is that Sunny Jim was a working-class patriot, not a commie con artist like Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Straws Clutching comes to mind. You do know Sunny Jim had a sizeable lead over Maggie in 1979 on this measureblueblue said:
Haha - suck it, Corbyn!CarlottaVance said:0 -
I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
https://twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/9130298616184053760 -
The DUP's vote has Bombardier to worry about and their farming support:williamglenn said:
If the DUP were rational, it might also make them wonder whether they are backing the right union...foxinsoxuk said:The significance for us is the DUP connection. It could put a real strain on a fragile coalition. Have they cashed their cheque yet?
Northern Ireland farmers call for five-year transition after Brexit
Livestock and Meat Commission finds WTO rules would have heavy impact on trade
https://www.ft.com/content/f08ce586-a118-11e7-9e4f-7f5e6a7c98a2
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It's the Conservatives who are leaving our country defenceless -- the army is already down to 3/4 of its size in 2010.blueblue said:
Just as I'm sure you think leaving our country defenceless while robbing it blind makes you patriotic.bigjohnowls said:
I bet you think making huge numbers of your fellow countrymen so poor they need foodbanks is patriotic don't you?blueblue said:
True. What's also true is that Sunny Jim was a working-class patriot, not a commie con artist like Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Straws Clutching comes to mind. You do know Sunny Jim had a sizeable lead over Maggie in 1979 on this measureblueblue said:
Haha - suck it, Corbyn!CarlottaVance said:0 -
Theo Bertram's timeline is also educational about this writer.TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
https://twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/9130298616184053760 -
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.0 -
Cheers.AlastairMeeks said:
Theo Bertram's timeline is also educational about this writer.TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
https://twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/9130298616184053760 -
Ken will probably be on the air soon to let us know why this is perfectly reasonable free speech and not anti-semitism.FrancisUrquhart said:Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....
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An interesting thread on aerospace and trade here, and the origins of this dispute:SouthamObserver said:
It also shows how post-Brexit UK will be vulnerable to this kind of action from protectionist countries like the US. We do not have the leverage the EU has.foxinsoxuk said:
It shows that free trade areas such as NAFTA are no guarantee of free trade, and also need independent dispute oversight.SouthamObserver said:Ambitious to be threatening retaliatory action against a big US company with lots of friends in very high places at the same time as marching towards a cliff edge Brexit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bombardier-michael-fallon-boeing-donald-trump-commerce-tariff-defence-secretary-uk-government-a7969676.html?amp
https://twitter.com/ottocrat/status/9129989973165137920 -
Not allowed. Only Con MPs can be nominated to stand for the leadership.TheScreamingEagles said:
Follow the Earl of Home precedent.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
(Ironically, they don't have to *stay* MPs - you could, in theory at least, follow Home's route in reverse)0 -
Someone get on the blower to Graham Brady and change the rules ASAP.david_herdson said:
Not allowed. Only Con MPs can be nominated to stand for the leadership.TheScreamingEagles said:
Follow the Earl of Home precedent.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
(Ironically, they don't have to *stay* MPs - you could, in theory at least, follow Home's route in reverse)0 -
And they are looking to go down another 10k to 70k. Most of their equipment is in storage to save maintenance costs and by the time you have allowed for those on ceremonial duties, permanent garrison roles (Cyprus, Falklands etc) and training missions only a very small number (said by some to be less than 10k) is actually available for deployment to potential war zones. This compares with 40k deployed to Iraq in 2003.DecrepitJohnL said:
It's the Conservatives who are leaving our country defenceless -- the army is already down to 3/4 of its size in 2010.blueblue said:
Just as I'm sure you think leaving our country defenceless while robbing it blind makes you patriotic.bigjohnowls said:
I bet you think making huge numbers of your fellow countrymen so poor they need foodbanks is patriotic don't you?blueblue said:
True. What's also true is that Sunny Jim was a working-class patriot, not a commie con artist like Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Straws Clutching comes to mind. You do know Sunny Jim had a sizeable lead over Maggie in 1979 on this measureblueblue said:
Haha - suck it, Corbyn!CarlottaVance said:0 -
Spot on:
Brexit Tories opened the door to revolution. Corbynites walked through
The right created a situation where anything seems possible, but they may come to regret that. Labour have been the chief beneficiaries
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/27/brexit-labour-tories-corbynites-right-labour?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
Wow that Steve Topple comment is not acceptable.TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
https://twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I agree.0 -
Seems to be twitterbanned.AlastairMeeks said:
Theo Bertram's timeline is also educational about this writer.TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
https://twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/9130298616184053760 -
The whole band of Maomentumers who continue to pump out all the anti-Jewish stuff is really interesting, given that if somebody was to utter anything slightly un-PC about LBGT rights or race relations they would be all over them as homophobic racist in a split second.0
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Yep ...foxinsoxuk said:
An interesting thread on aerospace and trade here, and the origins of this dispute:SouthamObserver said:
It also shows how post-Brexit UK will be vulnerable to this kind of action from protectionist countries like the US. We do not have the leverage the EU has.foxinsoxuk said:
It shows that free trade areas such as NAFTA are no guarantee of free trade, and also need independent dispute oversight.SouthamObserver said:Ambitious to be threatening retaliatory action against a big US company with lots of friends in very high places at the same time as marching towards a cliff edge Brexit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bombardier-michael-fallon-boeing-donald-trump-commerce-tariff-defence-secretary-uk-government-a7969676.html?amp
https://twitter.com/ottocrat/status/912998997316513792
And this is where being an EU member is so important. The EU has the weight to defend itself. We can retaliate
The UK acting alone can’t take on the US. This is why it lost its post-war lead in civil aviation. https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article/113/1/151/41355/Jeffrey-A-Engel-Cold-War-at-30-000-Feet-The-Anglo … /
The level of delusion among the Brexit right is matched only by the delusion you see on the Corbyn left. And those are the two choices this country now has.
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Any sentence with "most Jews" is clearly unacceptable.glw said:
Ken will probably be on the air soon to let us know why this is perfectly reasonable free speech and not anti-semitism.FrancisUrquhart said:Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....
Hope this Topple guy is not a party member if he is he should no longer be.0 -
Didn't Ken Clarke stand while not technically a member of the party?TheScreamingEagles said:
Someone get on the blower to Graham Brady and change the rules ASAP.david_herdson said:
Not allowed. Only Con MPs can be nominated to stand for the leadership.TheScreamingEagles said:
Follow the Earl of Home precedent.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
(Ironically, they don't have to *stay* MPs - you could, in theory at least, follow Home's route in reverse)0 -
Mr. Observer, to surrender politically to be able to go toe-to-toe with the US in trade is a horrendous choice.
It's why the EU and pro-EU politicians here screwed up so badly. There was a massive majority for the economics of the EU but a massive majority against the ever creeping integration and political submission.0 -
Its ok, Labour definitely doesn't have a problem with antisemitism, they had an official inquiry and everything...and even when they do find filth theybigjohnowls said:
Any sentence with "most Jews" is clearly unacceptable.glw said:
Ken will probably be on the air soon to let us know why this is perfectly reasonable free speech and not anti-semitism.FrancisUrquhart said:Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....
Hope this Topple guy is not a party member if he is he should no longer be.throw them out the partysuspend them under the media spotlight has moved on and reinstate them.0 -
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.
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But he was an MP, it's all fine.DecrepitJohnL said:
Didn't Ken Clarke stand while not technically a member of the party?TheScreamingEagles said:
Someone get on the blower to Graham Brady and change the rules ASAP.david_herdson said:
Not allowed. Only Con MPs can be nominated to stand for the leadership.TheScreamingEagles said:
Follow the Earl of Home precedent.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
(Ironically, they don't have to *stay* MPs - you could, in theory at least, follow Home's route in reverse)0 -
Voting in Corbyn won't stop Brexit though !SouthamObserver said:
Yep ...foxinsoxuk said:
An interesting thread on aerospace and trade here, and the origins of this dispute:SouthamObserver said:
It also shows how post-Brexit UK will be vulnerable to this kind of action from protectionist countries like the US. We do not have the leverage the EU has.foxinsoxuk said:
It shows that free trade areas such as NAFTA are no guarantee of free trade, and also need independent dispute oversight.SouthamObserver said:Ambitious to be threatening retaliatory action against a big US company with lots of friends in very high places at the same time as marching towards a cliff edge Brexit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bombardier-michael-fallon-boeing-donald-trump-commerce-tariff-defence-secretary-uk-government-a7969676.html?amp
https://twitter.com/ottocrat/status/912998997316513792
And this is where being an EU member is so important. The EU has the weight to defend itself. We can retaliate
The UK acting alone can’t take on the US. This is why it lost its post-war lead in civil aviation. https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article/113/1/151/41355/Jeffrey-A-Engel-Cold-War-at-30-000-Feet-The-Anglo … /
The level of delusion among the Brexit right is matched only by the delusion you see on the Corbyn left. And those are the two choices this country now has.
Just makes it a marxist Brexit, which is well I wouldn't have started from here.0 -
I only pray that somehow Corbyn totally shoots itself in the foot and the sensible centre left types like yourself can topple him before this turns into left wing Trumpery.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.0 -
I have to say that certainly is unreserved criticism of Labour, showing how strongly you feel the moral argument against all racism is. Power to your elbow.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
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It won't happen. Labour is lost for at least a generation.FrancisUrquhart said:
I only pray that somehow Corbyn totally shoots itself in the foot and the sensible centre left types like yourself can topple him before this turns into left wing Trumpery.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
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He is there for the foreseeable. Labour has sunk into the swamp and will not climb out again for a very long time.FrancisUrquhart said:
I only pray that somehow Corbyn totally shoots itself in the foot and the sensible centre left types like yourself can topple him before this turns into left wing Trumpery.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.
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Clearly Steve Topple is an anti semite, but I don't think he is a member of the Labour Party.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.
Quite a lot of Momentumites are not.0 -
It says something when the biggest clap and cheer in the labout speech was about palestine. Not to say it's not an important issue, but there is clearly 'something' there which pushes that cause way over and above what often more serious conflicts.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.
I wonder what that might be.0 -
But the labour leadership are clearly happy with Momentum as a whole. It keeps their hands clean whilst appeasing the loonies.foxinsoxuk said:
Clearly Steve Topple is an anti semite, but I don't think he is a member of the Labour Party.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.
Quite a lot of Momentumites are not.0 -
And many are. They all feel empowered by the far-left's control of labour, and by what senior Labour members close to Corbyn - such as Loach and McCluskey - say when dismissing claims of anti-Semitism. Loach essentially said on TV this week that it was legitimate to debate whether the Holocaust happened; McCluskey essentially stated that Jews were conspiring against Corbyn when they raised anti-Semitism.foxinsoxuk said:
Clearly Steve Topple is an anti semite, but I don't think he is a member of the Labour Party.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.
Quite a lot of Momentumites are not.
Jonathan Freedland has it absolutely right:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/27/labour-denial-antisemitism-party-dark-place
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It's like Trump and the alt-right, but even worse in that the alt-right aren't an offical organistation.foxinsoxuk said:
Clearly Steve Topple is an anti semite, but I don't think he is a member of the Labour Party.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.
Quite a lot of Momentumites are not.
In nearly every way, Corbyn is the British Trump.0 -
Loving the "Labour are Evil" coverage in the Hate Mail. Guessing that next week will be front pages like "Theresa May: Isn't She Marvellous"0
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Except that Trump's power is relatively limited, with Congress and the courts unwilling to play ball with a lot of what Trump wishes to do. Corbyn and McDonnell will have much less trouble implementing their crazy plans here.FrancisUrquhart said:In nearly every way, Corbyn is the British Trump.
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FrancisUrquhart said:
In nearly every way, Corbyn is the British Trump.
Fake news...I didn't say that ;-)0 -
Lost and inn power next electionSlackbladder said:
It won't happen. Labour is lost for at least a generation.FrancisUrquhart said:
I only pray that somehow Corbyn totally shoots itself in the foot and the sensible centre left types like yourself can topple him before this turns into left wing Trumpery.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
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I don't think their base readership is as receptive to that message.RochdalePioneers said:Loving the "Labour are Evil" coverage in the Hate Mail. Guessing that next week will be front pages like "Theresa May: Isn't She Marvellous"
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I see your Catalonia and raise you a Kurdistan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan_independence_referendum,_20170 -
Yes I keep deleting all but the outer quote, which happens to be part of a previous draft. D'oh!FrancisUrquhart said:Fake news...I didn't say that ;-)
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Hopefully Labour (if they must in power) will be dependant on the Liberal Democrats. Vince is the thin yellow wedge between a poor Corbyn gov't and a disastrous one (hopefully). It probably won't work out like that though, Corbyn will probably buck the recent trend and land himself a healthy majority.glw said:
Except that Trump's power is relatively limited, with Congress and the courts unwilling to play ball with a lot of what Trump wishes to do. Corbyn and McDonnell will have much less trouble implementing their crazy plans here.FrancisUrquhart said:In nearly every way, Corbyn is the British Trump.
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The Mail will always give Labour a terrible time. Bu that does not mean that the far left's empowerment of anti-Semites and its dismissal of concerns raised by so many Jews is anything other than shameful. Did you see the McCluskey and Loach interviews?RochdalePioneers said:Loving the "Labour are Evil" coverage in the Hate Mail. Guessing that next week will be front pages like "Theresa May: Isn't She Marvellous"
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Meanwhile, over at Chelmsford, Essex have dismissed Yorkshire to record their tenth win of the season, six more than any other County.
Such dominance might suggest that they would be heavily represented in the Ashes squad, but only Alastair Cook makes it. I agree with the omission of Tom Westley but the failure to give opportunities when the openings were there to Dan Lawrence, Nick Browne and young fast bowling find Jamie Porter has meant that they could not be considered.
And yet they take Malan, who would not get in the Essex team, and Mason Crane, who wouldn't get in some school teams.
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And Gary Ballance is getting his annual last chance.Peter_the_Punter said:Meanwhile, over at Chelmsford, Essex have dismissed Yorkshire to record their tenth win of the season, six more than any other County.
Such dominance might suggest that they would be heavily represented in the Ashes squad, but only Alastair Cook makes it. I agree with the omission of Tom Westley but the failure to give opportunities when the openings were there to Dan Lawrence, Nick Browne and young fast bowling find Jamie Porter has meant that they could not be considered.
And yet they take Malan, who would not get in the Essex team, and Mason Crane, who wouldn't get in some school teams.
Pah.
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FPTP and the political system in general are letting down the electorate. We’ve got two main parties that only appeal to the 20% most left and right wing elements of the population. The moderates in the middle have no one to speak for them and have to choose which of the two parties stinks less.0
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Transport for London (TfL) plans to make £322m by collecting Tube users' location data and potentially selling it to third parties.
http://news.sky.com/story/tfl-may-make-322m-by-selling-on-data-from-passengers-mobiles-via-tube-wifi-11056118
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The other thing that alarmed me is that very few Vice Chancellors are women. So, I found it shocking that the two Vice Chancellors picked on by Labour were ... err, women.SouthamObserver said:
The Mail will always give Labour a terrible time. Bu that does not mean that the far left's empowerment of anti-Semites and its dismissal of concerns raised by so many Jews is anything other than shameful. Did you see the McCluskey and Loach interviews?RochdalePioneers said:Loving the "Labour are Evil" coverage in the Hate Mail. Guessing that next week will be front pages like "Theresa May: Isn't She Marvellous"
Adonis on Louise Richardson: "Prof Richardson would have done better to announce a cut in her excessive salary and a reduction in fee levels at Oxford. This head-in-the-sand attitude is damaging our universities and harming students who now face debts of up to £100k on graduation."
Adonis on Glynis Breakwell: "The only example the vice-chancellor of the University of Bath is setting to her staff is one of greed,"
I happen to agree that Vice Chancellor's pay has gotten out of hand, but Adonis publicly attacks just the women.
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Welcome to Big Data!!MarkHopkins said:
Transport for London (TfL) plans to make £322m by collecting Tube users' location data and potentially selling it to third parties.
http://news.sky.com/story/tfl-may-make-322m-by-selling-on-data-from-passengers-mobiles-via-tube-wifi-11056118
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Is Topple a Labour member?FrancisUrquhart said:
Its ok, Labour definitely doesn't have a problem with antisemitism, they had an official inquiry and everything...and even when they do find filth theybigjohnowls said:
Any sentence with "most Jews" is clearly unacceptable.glw said:
Ken will probably be on the air soon to let us know why this is perfectly reasonable free speech and not anti-semitism.FrancisUrquhart said:Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....
Hope this Topple guy is not a party member if he is he should no longer be.throw them out the partysuspend them under the media spotlight has moved on and reinstate them.0 -
And West Papua...Sunil_Prasannan said:I see your Catalonia and raise you a Kurdistan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan_independence_referendum,_2017
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Mr. Hopkins, that's unpleasant news. Of course, if Morris Dancer's policy of enabling people to pay using actual money (wild and crazy as that idea is) had been adopted, people would be able to opt out.0
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Yes, they've lost their way entirely and they will soon be leading the country, I'm afraid.Slackbladder said:
It won't happen. Labour is lost for at least a generation.FrancisUrquhart said:
I only pray that somehow Corbyn totally shoots itself in the foot and the sensible centre left types like yourself can topple him before this turns into left wing Trumpery.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
I am worried enough about the marxist mob powering the supreme leader, I can only imagine what Jewish business people are going through.0 -
Suggest 'will' should be 'may' - nothing is certain anymoreAnneJGP said:
Yes, they've lost their way entirely and they will soon be leading the country, I'm afraid.Slackbladder said:
It won't happen. Labour is lost for at least a generation.FrancisUrquhart said:
I only pray that somehow Corbyn totally shoots itself in the foot and the sensible centre left types like yourself can topple him before this turns into left wing Trumpery.SouthamObserver said:
Misery, I'd imagine - and not only those in business. Corbyn and the far-left empower anti-Semites. The comments that the likes of McCluskey and Loach have made this week are sickening. I cannot express the level of despair I feel to see the party I was once a member of descend so deep into the filthy pit of racism. It revolts me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Anti-zionist, not antisemitic....will of course be the claim....TheScreamingEagles said:I am shocked to find that a virulent anti-semite is behind the Laura K story.
twitter.com/JimmyRushmore/status/913029861618405376
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103-0 after 15 overs in the cricket...who needs Alex Hales and Ben Stokes?0
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Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Hopkins, that's unpleasant news. Of course, if Morris Dancer's policy of enabling people to pay using actual money (wild and crazy as that idea is) had been adopted, people would be able to opt out.
No, they couldn't. It's being done with mobile wi-fi signals - you'd have to switch off (or not take) your mobile to avoid it.
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Mr. Hopkins, I don't have a mobile. Victory!0
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No what have they said ?SouthamObserver said:
The Mail will always give Labour a terrible time. Bu that does not mean that the far left's empowerment of anti-Semites and its dismissal of concerns raised by so many Jews is anything other than shameful. Did you see the McCluskey and Loach interviews?RochdalePioneers said:Loving the "Labour are Evil" coverage in the Hate Mail. Guessing that next week will be front pages like "Theresa May: Isn't She Marvellous"
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They could pick the lds. In theory.not_on_fire said:FPTP and the political system in general are letting down the electorate. We’ve got two main parties that only appeal to the 20% most left and right wing elements of the population. The moderates in the middle have no one to speak for them and have to choose which of the two parties stinks less.
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Thank goodness our separatists are less troublesome?foxinsoxuk said:
And West Papua...Sunil_Prasannan said:I see your Catalonia and raise you a Kurdistan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan_independence_referendum,_2017
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I met my first Remainer who shared some of @AlastairMeeks previously expressed views.
He said we should cut NHS spending in the regions and allow them to sink to the level their stupidity deserved. While whining about the impact Brexit was going to have on his £20m house in Notting Hill (not a typo)
I've known him well for 20 years (he was my boss for a decade) and he's always been a self-centred jerk. But he out did himself today
You'll all be pleased to know he told me he intends to play a much fuller role in politica in future and will be going to the Tory conference...0 -
Are Yorkshire safe from relegation ?Peter_the_Punter said:Meanwhile, over at Chelmsford, Essex have dismissed Yorkshire to record their tenth win of the season, six more than any other County.
Such dominance might suggest that they would be heavily represented in the Ashes squad, but only Alastair Cook makes it. I agree with the omission of Tom Westley but the failure to give opportunities when the openings were there to Dan Lawrence, Nick Browne and young fast bowling find Jamie Porter has meant that they could not be considered.
And yet they take Malan, who would not get in the Essex team, and Mason Crane, who wouldn't get in some school teams.
Pah.0 -
Gary Ballance does average over 37 in Tests and over 48 in First Class cricketSouthamObserver said:
And Gary Ballance is getting his annual last chance.Peter_the_Punter said:Meanwhile, over at Chelmsford, Essex have dismissed Yorkshire to record their tenth win of the season, six more than any other County.
Such dominance might suggest that they would be heavily represented in the Ashes squad, but only Alastair Cook makes it. I agree with the omission of Tom Westley but the failure to give opportunities when the openings were there to Dan Lawrence, Nick Browne and young fast bowling find Jamie Porter has meant that they could not be considered.
And yet they take Malan, who would not get in the Essex team, and Mason Crane, who wouldn't get in some school teams.
Pah.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/232438.html
By contrast James Vince's averages are 19 and 39:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/296597.html
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Lol! And that's one of the more reasonable picks.SouthamObserver said:
And Gary Ballance is getting his annual last chance.Peter_the_Punter said:Meanwhile, over at Chelmsford, Essex have dismissed Yorkshire to record their tenth win of the season, six more than any other County.
Such dominance might suggest that they would be heavily represented in the Ashes squad, but only Alastair Cook makes it. I agree with the omission of Tom Westley but the failure to give opportunities when the openings were there to Dan Lawrence, Nick Browne and young fast bowling find Jamie Porter has meant that they could not be considered.
And yet they take Malan, who would not get in the Essex team, and Mason Crane, who wouldn't get in some school teams.
Pah.
Given that eight of the England side pick themselves, England Cricket Selector ought to be one of the easiest sporting jobs in the world. You only have to find three players, and a few reserves.
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Not quite current events, but I finished the Complete Works of Tacitus today, which is largely concerned with the political and military turmoil of the first century AD. Quite good, a broadsheet to Suetonius' tabloid, but he's not afraid of enormous sentences that can end up being a bit difficult to follow. Worth reading, but probably not as an early book for someone new to classical history.0
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This will help you:Yorkcity said:
No what have they said ?SouthamObserver said:
The Mail will always give Labour a terrible time. Bu that does not mean that the far left's empowerment of anti-Semites and its dismissal of concerns raised by so many Jews is anything other than shameful. Did you see the McCluskey and Loach interviews?RochdalePioneers said:Loving the "Labour are Evil" coverage in the Hate Mail. Guessing that next week will be front pages like "Theresa May: Isn't She Marvellous"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/27/labour-denial-antisemitism-party-dark-place
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She'd need a few more policies beyond ending WFA in England and Wales but keeping it in Scotland.TheScreamingEagles said:
More that you don't have to be an MP to become to be Tory Leader or Prime Minister.anothernick said:
Disclaim her hereditary title?TheScreamingEagles said:
Follow the Earl of Home precedent.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.
In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633
Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
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Sounds like Manchester 2017 could be the scene of the first battle of the new English civil war.Charles said:You'll all be pleased to know he told me he intends to play a much fuller role in politica in future and will be going to the Tory conference...
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