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edited September 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Conference and its aftermath could be BoJo’s best chance of moving against TMay & becoming PM

Yesterday I heard directly the story the story that has been doing the rounds  that the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, had already got the backing of 38 fellow CON MPs ready to send letters to the chairman of the 1922 committee calling for confidence vote on TMay’s leadership. If this is correct he needs just a few more if he is to pull the trigger to try to bring GE17 failure down.

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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    First! :o
  • glwglw Posts: 9,995
    Can anyone give me a good reason why Boris should become PM? He is amusing, good at speaking and writing, and quite clever, but as much as I like him I'm simply do not see him as PM material.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,337
    glw said:

    Can anyone give me a good reason why Boris should become PM? He is amusing, good at speaking and writing, and quite clever, but as much as I like him I'm simply do not see him as PM material.

    i) He's not Theresa May

    ii) Er that's it.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Bojo's destructive and narcissistic cynicism is unparalleled in modern British politics.

    An unprincipled chancer who is prepared to trash the future of his country and risk bringing down the government and opening the way for a Corbyn premiership purely to further his own career.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,762
    Hmm. Sceptical myself. The optimal time for Boris to resign was immediately after Theresa's Florence speech. I suspect he was strongly considering it but thought better of it. His best approach now is to let Theresa burn out over the next few years, then step in.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    glw said:

    ... He is amusing, good at speaking and writing, and quite clever, but as much as I like him I'm simply do not see him as PM material.

    On that basis the rather over-rated Mr JRM should be in the running too.

    He, also, is not Mrs May (as is everyone except Theresa May)
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited September 2017
    Although there is pretty much zero enthusiasm for Theresa May remaining as leader for the next election, I don't sense much appetite for a contest now. Since there is no clear consensus for any one successor, there would have to be a full contest, which would be an enormous complication at a critical juncture in the Brexit talks. Still, if Boris does pull the 1922 trigger, then things would take on a momentum of their own. Because many MPs don't want a contest to happen now, Theresa May might survive the ensuing confidence motion, but she would need a convincing majority to do so. It's anyone's guess whether she'd get that.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941
    anothernick said:

    Bojo's destructive and narcissistic cynicism is unparalleled in modern British politics.

    An unprincipled chancer who is prepared to trash the future of his country and risk bringing down the government and opening the way for a Corbyn premiership purely to further his own career.

    He already has trashed the future of his country. If he had sided with Cameron and Remain that would have been enough to defeat Leave.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941
    glw said:

    Can anyone give me a good reason why Boris should become PM? He is amusing, good at speaking and writing, and quite clever, but as much as I like him I'm simply do not see him as PM material.

    Is Theresa PM material?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,823
    anothernick said:

    Bojo's destructive and narcissistic cynicism is unparalleled in modern British politics.

    Boris could be the answer to the question: "Which potential leader would be cynical and shameless enough to betray the cause that carried him to victory?"
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941
    williamglenn said:

    anothernick said:

    Bojo's destructive and narcissistic cynicism is unparalleled in modern British politics.

    Boris could be the answer to the question: "Which potential leader would be cynical and shameless enough to betray the cause that carried him to victory?"
    ;-)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Nick, indeed. Boris is wretched.

    Someone here linked to an article he wrote about Churchill fairly recently. In it, Boris opined Churchill had taken a gamble opposing Nazism and it had paid off (propelling him to be PM).

    Leaving aside the "I'm like Churchill" subtext, that does rather miss the point that Churchill did what he thought was right. It wasn't to improve his own career prospects.

    I do hope the choice isn't Boris or Corbyn.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,762
    There were always dark tales about letters to the 1922 committee being at tipping point during Dave's tenure. They came to nothing. I suspect it's just Tory myth and legend.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,045
    anothernick said:

    Bojo's destructive and narcissistic cynicism is unparalleled in modern British politics.

    An unprincipled chancer who is prepared to trash the future of his country and risk bringing down the government and opening the way for a Corbyn premiership purely to further his own career.

    I think Theresa May staying in no.10 paves the way for Corbyn. She'll have to go at some point - get it out of the way now
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Hmm. Sceptical myself. The optimal time for Boris to resign was immediately after Theresa's Florence speech. I suspect he was strongly considering it but thought better of it. His best approach now is to let Theresa burn out over the next few years, then step in.

    I take the opposite view , he needs to grasp the nettle now or his time will have gone.His eventual backing of the leave campaign was massive.If he leaves it until we have left the EU his time in the sun will have gone .The prodigal son needs to act now .
  • glwglw Posts: 9,995
    logical_song said:

    glw said:

    Can anyone give me a good reason why Boris should become PM? He is amusing, good at speaking and writing, and quite clever, but as much as I like him I'm simply do not see him as PM material.

    Is Theresa PM material?
    No.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Song, depending how it's done, that's not always a bad thing. The Praetorian Guard forced Nerva to abandon his first named heir in favour of Trajan. When Trajan succeeded, he (if memory serves) expelled those Praetorians responsible. They were unable to respond because the emperor had the backing of the rather more numerous (and battle-hardened) Rhine legions.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,337
    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Will Theresa May's speech at her party conference next week be a dead woman squawking?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    I feel like the hypothetical new Labour* voter: not looking at BoJo and detecting any Prime Ministerial qualities in him but looking at May and thinking FFS, let's just roll the dice and see what happens.

    *new voter for Labour, not voter for New Labour.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    If Boris wants it I would have thought that a little circumspection was in order.

    The plan should be to build the brand, construct a formidable foundation, climb to an invincible position through hard work. To be the only viable candidate in 2019 having raised the popularity and reputation of Boris with thought provoking sound and popular ideas.

  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Razedabode said:

    anothernick said:

    Bojo's destructive and narcissistic cynicism is unparalleled in modern British politics.

    An unprincipled chancer who is prepared to trash the future of his country and risk bringing down the government and opening the way for a Corbyn premiership purely to further his own career.

    I think Theresa May staying in no.10 paves the way for Corbyn. She'll have to go at some point - get it out of the way now
    Yes true telling Margaret Thatcher she had to go was much bigger and revived a loss situation in 1990 to a winning one two years later.That took some balls from cabinet members to tell her face to face the time was up.That is why the Tories are good at holding onto power.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Labour's economic policies might frighten plenty on here but Labour's betrayal of leaves EU vote and immigration will frighten plenty more.

    Labour will continue the high economic immigration plus family but asylum immigration will be up with the likes of Germany in numbers with the left-wing nuts that follow corbyn and believe we should be taking thousands more.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    glw said:

    Can anyone give me a good reason why Boris should become PM? He is amusing, good at speaking and writing, and quite clever, but as much as I like him I'm simply do not see him as PM material.

    Agreed. I think his time has passed where his positives outweigh his faults, even with a hobbled may.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Oh God!

    Isn't that where the clever Turkeys get eaten, the ones didn't vote for Christmas?

    There must be a Boris allegory in there somewhere.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    Razedabode said:

    anothernick said:

    Bojo's destructive and narcissistic cynicism is unparalleled in modern British politics.

    An unprincipled chancer who is prepared to trash the future of his country and risk bringing down the government and opening the way for a Corbyn premiership purely to further his own career.

    I think Theresa May staying in no.10 paves the way for Corbyn. She'll have to go at some point - get it out of the way now
    Do it at start of the transition period. New pm for new period
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Nick, indeed. Boris is wretched.

    I find it hard to believe that Tory MPs would go for Boris as one of the final two. Surely no one could take him at his word and as the Brexit process unravels by the day he is the obvious candidate to take the blame.

    Talking of the Brexit process - I recommend David Allan Green's piece on transitional arrangements - it's behind the FT paywall but well worth a read.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    edited September 2017
    E-mail from Corbyn.

    He's being honest at least !

    James, the next Labour government will transform Britain. :o
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,337
    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    Pulpstar said:

    E-mail from Corbyn.

    He's being honest at least !

    James, the next Labour government will transform Britain. :o

    Handy term that. It's like being praised for being principled, when it can be very good and very bad.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,337
    Windies doing a Moeen Ali here.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,811
    williamglenn said:

    anothernick said:

    Bojo's destructive and narcissistic cynicism is unparalleled in modern British politics.

    Boris could be the answer to the question: "Which potential leader would be cynical and shameless enough to betray the cause that carried him to victory?"
    Ouch. But spot on.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Only problem he's a true blue remainer.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited September 2017
    Appears the plod have done another one of those "hard stops". Suspect shot multiple times. Doesn't appear like they were messing about given the pictures of the damage. Not terrorist related.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4924874/Road-M5-motorway-closed-gunfire-heard.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,337
    philiph said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Oh God!

    Isn't that where the clever Turkeys get eaten, the ones didn't vote for Christmas?

    There must be a Boris allegory in there somewhere.
    Worst of all, I’ve got no more AV threads left.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    So he’s going to be campaigning mainly on the *ahem* benefits of AV? :D
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Oh God!

    Isn't that where the clever Turkeys get eaten, the ones didn't vote for Christmas?

    There must be a Boris allegory in there somewhere.
    Worst of all, I’ve got no more AV threads left.
    :o
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,337
    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Only problem he's a true blue remainer.
    Not a problem.

    Plus he’s a former solider, that’s worth a lot with Tory members.

    Also provides a nice contrast to Corbyn.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,337
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    So he’s going to be campaigning mainly on the *ahem* benefits of AV? :D
    Well the Tories do use a quasi AV system to elect our leaders.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Eagles, are you trying to put Mercer off? :p
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,214
    England being put to the sword here.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,138
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    So he’s going to be campaigning mainly on the *ahem* benefits of AV? :D
    Well the Tories do use a quasi AV system to elect our leaders.
    I prefer the term multi-stage FPTP. :smiley::p
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    If Ubergate goes toxic for Khan that will indirectly boost Boris (on grounds that perhaps being M of L for two trouble-free terms isn't as easy as it looks).
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    The only game-changing potential candidate I can see on the horizon is Ruth Davidson. Unfortunately she's not an MP, which is a prerequisite.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,981
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    So he’s going to be campaigning mainly on the *ahem* benefits of AV? :D
    Well the Tories do use a quasi AV system to elect our leaders.
    I prefer the term multi-stage FPTP. :smiley::p
    Except it's not - even if you win more than half the votes (which May did), you don't get the gig - or even, in theory, a pass to the members' round.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Only problem he's a true blue remainer.
    Not a problem.

    Plus he’s a former solider, that’s worth a lot with Tory members.

    Also provides a nice contrast to Corbyn.
    True. But surely the Tory membership will never go for a remainer.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Herdson, how would a candidate get over half the votes yet not get through to the members' round?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    edited September 2017
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Herdson, how would a candidate get over half the votes yet not get through to the members' round?

    You have to have to be in the top two in the final round, not just the first round.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Ohhhh Johhhnnnneeee Meeeerrrrceeeer
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    anothernick said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Only problem he's a true blue remainer.
    Not a problem.

    Plus he’s a former solider, that’s worth a lot with Tory members.

    Also provides a nice contrast to Corbyn.
    True. But surely the Tory membership will never go for a remainer.
    They may be presented with two remainers by the MPs
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Meeks, ah, I knew that, I thought Mr. Herdson was referring to the final MP round.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    anothernick said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Only problem he's a true blue remainer.
    Not a problem.

    Plus he’s a former solider, that’s worth a lot with Tory members.

    Also provides a nice contrast to Corbyn.
    True. But surely the Tory membership will never go for a remainer.
    They would have voted May over Leadsom.

    The tories want a winner. I fundamentally think a pragmatist could sell a softer Brexit if they looked right and talked right and could take the fight to Corbyn.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,914
    anothernick said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Only problem he's a true blue remainer.
    Not a problem.

    Plus he’s a former solider, that’s worth a lot with Tory members.

    Also provides a nice contrast to Corbyn.
    True. But surely the Tory membership will never go for a remainer.
    A perfect example of why the Tory party deserve a few years in opposition.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Jessop, were Labour led by someone who isn't Corbyn, I'd agree. The country, however, doesn't deserve to have Venezuelan socialism inflicted upon it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,337
    anothernick said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Only problem he's a true blue remainer.
    Not a problem.

    Plus he’s a former solider, that’s worth a lot with Tory members.

    Also provides a nice contrast to Corbyn.
    True. But surely the Tory membership will never go for a remainer.
    They would have gone for May over Leadsom.

    There's polling out there that shows Ruth Davidson the winner among Tory members to replace Mrs May, and Ruth D was a strong Remain campaigner.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,226
    No wonder she needs bodyguards......

    https://twitter.com/TheCanarySays/status/912995520024629255
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    edited September 2017
    Looking at the de facto Tory options -

    The only sensible choice for the country appears to my mind to be Phil Hammond. A steady pair of hands to guide us through a tricky Brexit... his chancellor should be a leaver though, and the only name I can think for the job is Gove.

    Hammond PM, Gove chancellor with Lidington up to Home, and Rudd across to Foreign Secretary.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Boris is a disingenuous liar who only cares about himself.

    Utter, utter scum!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,823
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    anothernick said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Only problem he's a true blue remainer.
    Not a problem.

    Plus he’s a former solider, that’s worth a lot with Tory members.

    Also provides a nice contrast to Corbyn.
    True. But surely the Tory membership will never go for a remainer.
    They would have gone for May over Leadsom.

    There's polling out there that shows Ruth Davidson the winner among Tory members to replace Mrs May, and Ruth D was a strong Remain campaigner.
    The assumption that particular groups of people will never support Remainers should have been put to bed by the Stoke by-election.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.

    Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Pulpstar said:

    Looking at the de facto Tory options -

    The only sensible choice for the country appears to my mind to be Phil Hammond. A steady pair of hands to guide us through a tricky Brexit... his chancellor should be a leaver though, and the only name I can think for the job is Gove.

    Hammond PM, Gove chancellor with Lidington up to Home, and Rudd across to Foreign Secretary.

    Dream Ticket
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    murali_s said:

    Boris is a disingenuous liar who only cares about himself.

    Utter, utter scum!

    But what are the downsides?
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    anothernick said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    philiph said:

    The answer is not for a few weeks, Mike is not on holiday.

    Mike’s next holiday is around Thanksgiving.
    Any information johnny Mercer wants the top job ?
    I’ve told him to go for it and that I’m willing to be head of his campaign team.
    Only problem he's a true blue remainer.
    Not a problem.

    Plus he’s a former solider, that’s worth a lot with Tory members.

    Also provides a nice contrast to Corbyn.
    True. But surely the Tory membership will never go for a remainer.
    They would have gone for May over Leadsom.

    There's polling out there that shows Ruth Davidson the winner among Tory members to replace Mrs May, and Ruth D was a strong Remain campaigner.
    Hmmm. The July yougov poll of Tory members had Davis, Johnson and Rees Mogg as the top three. And the members chose IDS over Ken Clarke.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,226
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/913012500437889024
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    Johnny Mercer seems unrealistic to me, he has only been in parliament a couple of years and hasn't yet held a junior ministerial position.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Yorkshire 37 - 7 against the county champions Essex coached by Ex -Yorkshire Chris Silverwood.

    You're old county needs you Chris.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Surely the May replacement will need to be a hard Brexiteer vs a fookin hard Brexiteer.

    I would say Davis/Gove vs JRM
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,226
    bigjohnowls said:

    BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.

    Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.

    Citation required.....
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    bigjohnowls said:

    BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.

    Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.

    Fake news:

    https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/913038735817805825
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,981
    Tykejohnno said:

    Yorkshire 37 - 7 against the county champions Essex coached by Ex -Yorkshire Chris Silverwood.

    You're old county needs you Chris.

    It needs shut of Gale, that's for sure. Embarrassing.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    edited September 2017
    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looking at the de facto Tory options -

    The only sensible choice for the country appears to my mind to be Phil Hammond. A steady pair of hands to guide us through a tricky Brexit... his chancellor should be a leaver though, and the only name I can think for the job is Gove.

    Hammond PM, Gove chancellor with Lidington up to Home, and Rudd across to Foreign Secretary.

    Dream Ticket
    A Clegg-Starmer-Hammond-Webb gov't would do well for the country, but those options aren't available right now.
    For the theoretical Tories, Davidson would leapfrog the lot if she entered parliament.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/913012500437889024

    I would fully expect May to recover slightly and Corbyn to drop further. The fundamentals of their day to day performances are the same as they were before the election.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,981
    bigjohnowls said:

    Surely the May replacement will need to be a hard Brexiteer vs a fookin hard Brexiteer.

    I would say Davis/Gove vs JRM

    Never forget that the overriding consideration at all times is not losing the next election. Davis and Gove are possibilities; JRM is not.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,995
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Not a problem.

    Plus he’s a former solider, that’s worth a lot with Tory members.

    Also provides a nice contrast to Corbyn.

    I don't think being a Remainer matters providing he's one of the "lets make a good deal of it" types, rather than one of the "how little can we get away with changing" camp.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    I see BigJohnOwls is posting fake news horseshit again.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    I think that, if we had a contest soon, the choices presented to the members would be one of Hammond and Rudd (probably Hammond) vs one of DD and Boris (probably DD).
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/913012500437889024

    Who do the other 34% back?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737
    bigjohnowls said:

    BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.

    Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.

    A made up story in the Canary.

    All those Tories who have spent years howling at the BBC should look at the Labour left doing it now and feel utterly embarrassed. Yes, Tories, you really did look that stupid.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited September 2017
    david_herdson said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Yorkshire 37 - 7 against the county champions Essex coached by Ex -Yorkshire Chris Silverwood.

    You're old county needs you Chris.

    It needs shut of Gale, that's for sure. Embarrassing.
    100% agree.

    And most of the inconsistent batting line-up.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,981
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Herdson, how would a candidate get over half the votes yet not get through to the members' round?

    They'd need to lose a lot of votes between an earlier and the final rounds. e.g.

    First

    A 157
    B 58
    C 31
    D 19

    Second

    B 106
    C 81
    A 78.

    It would probably need the intervention of an investigative journalist.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,995
    Pulpstar said:

    Johnny Mercer seems unrealistic to me, he has only been in parliament a couple of years and hasn't yet held a junior ministerial position.

    Jeremy Corbyn is a certified idiot and yet he could be PM quite soon, so mere inexperience is surely no bar to high office.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    SouthamObserver said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.

    Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.

    A made up story in the Canary.

    All those Tories who have spent years howling at the BBC should look at the Labour left doing it now and feel utterly embarrassed. Yes, Tories, you really did look that stupid.

    https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/913056057739620352
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    logical_song said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/913012500437889024

    Who do the other 34% back?
    Uncle Vince :)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,226
    SouthamObserver said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.

    Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.

    A made up story in the Canary.

    All those Tories who have spent years howling at the BBC should look at the Labour left doing it now and feel utterly embarrassed. Yes, Tories, you really did look that stupid
    Like when BBC journalists had to be accompanied to Tory Conference by bodyguards, you mean?

    Someone's looking really stupid......
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    glw said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Johnny Mercer seems unrealistic to me, he has only been in parliament a couple of years and hasn't yet held a junior ministerial position.

    Jeremy Corbyn is a certified idiot and yet he could be PM quite soon, so mere inexperience is surely no bar to high office.
    Yes, but he is in the Labour Party.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    AlastairMeeks said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.

    Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.

    Fake news:

    https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/913038735817805825
    Invited speaker in the same way as a few hours ago I was invited speaker on the next series of The Grand Tour, thus I must agree with Jeremy Clarkson's right wingery....

    By "invited speaker", I mean as an Amazon Prime member I am eligible to apply for a ballot to get a ticket in the audience and have to agree that if I do get chosen and accept that the T&C state that somebody might put me on camera and ask me a question.
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    edited September 2017
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I think that, if we had a contest soon, the choices presented to the members would be one of Hammond and Rudd (probably Hammond) vs one of DD and Boris (probably DD).

    That would leave many with a distrinctly sinking feeling. It would be barely worth the upheaval of change.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    PeterC said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I think that, if we had a contest soon, the choices presented to the members would be one of Hammond and Rudd (probably Hammond) vs one of DD and Boris (probably DD).

    That would leave many with a distrinctly sinking feeling. It would be barely worth the upheaval of change.
    It isn't worth the upheaval of change, which I think will be the calculation which many MPs would make at the moment. It would be much better to take our time and have a proper contest, with some fresher faces, in 2016 or 2017. But, if Boris does move, MPs' hands will be forced.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited September 2017
    Just wondering who on a particular channel's premier political debate show decided that giving the oxygen of publicity to the woman behind the fake news site the Canary was a good idea?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,633
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Just wondering who on a particular channel's premier political debate show decided that giving the oxygen of publicity to the woman behind the fake news site the Canary was a good idea?

    Canary = Breitbart for lefties.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    AlastairMeeks said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.

    Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.

    A made up story in the Canary.

    All those Tories who have spent years howling at the BBC should look at the Labour left doing it now and feel utterly embarrassed. Yes, Tories, you really did look that stupid.

    https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/913056057739620352
    On the other hand get out the pitchforks for Owen Jones, who is speaking at the Tory conference:

    https://twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/913047815915524097
  • glwglw Posts: 9,995
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I see BigJohnOwls is posting fake news horseshit again.

    It's hardly surprising that Corbynistas are gullible.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737
    CarlottaVance said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg is listed as an “invited speaker” at the Conservative Party conference. And the news raises questions about the impartiality of the journalist and her organisation. Again.

    Oh dear what were people saying yesterday.

    A made up story in the Canary.

    All those Tories who have spent years howling at the BBC should look at the Labour left doing it now and feel utterly embarrassed. Yes, Tories, you really did look that stupid
    Like when BBC journalists had to be accompanied to Tory Conference by bodyguards, you mean?

    Someone's looking really stupid......

    I am sorry you do not understand the point I am making.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Herdson, yeah, I thought you meant in the final MP round.

    In unsurprising news, the Kurds have gone for independence. We'll see what happens next: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41419633

    Mr. Eagles, but how would Davidson get the gig? She's not even an MP.
  • blueblueblueblue Posts: 875
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/913012500437889024

    Haha - suck it, Corbyn!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    The Screenshot of the 1 Oct 2017 meeting is made up??

    http://evolvepolitics.com/bbcs-laura-kuenssberg-was-invited-to-speak-at-the-tory-conference-by-iain-duncan-smiths-thinktank/
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,981
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    PeterC said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    I think that, if we had a contest soon, the choices presented to the members would be one of Hammond and Rudd (probably Hammond) vs one of DD and Boris (probably DD).

    That would leave many with a distrinctly sinking feeling. It would be barely worth the upheaval of change.
    It isn't worth the upheaval of change, which I think will be the calculation which many MPs would make at the moment. It would be much better to take our time and have a proper contest, with some fresher faces, in 2016 or 2017. But, if Boris does move, MPs' hands will be forced.
    I hate to break it to you but 2017's nearly over. And as for 2016 ...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,144
    Pulpstar said:

    E-mail from Corbyn.

    He's being honest at least !

    James, the next Labour government will transform Britain. :o

    It's really very strange. After the GE, I was metaphorically hiding behind the sofa for weeks at the prospect of PM Corbyn, but after witnessing the buzzing of the hive on here I'm getting more relaxed about it every hour.

    Good evening, everybody.
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