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When asked if they will resign, Cabinet ministers are traditionally very quick to say no if the answer is no. Boris just pointedly didn't.
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Missing word ‘to’ in your bad pun by the way.0 -
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FFS FO.0
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The only one who should Foxtrot Oscar is Theresa...0
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My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
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Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?0 -
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
Largest number of Brits don't know by some distance and probably dont care0
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From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
Yay, you spotted my subtle punGIN1138 said:The only one who should Foxtrot Oscar is Theresa...
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I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.0
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If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”0 -
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.0
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Maybe Theresa will recall Osborne
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Depends on your definition of immediate.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.0 -
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
If she really wanted to troll the 'bastards' she should draft John Major into the cabinet.Alanbrooke said:Maybe Theresa will recall Osborne
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With Theresa May's global sojourn this week and all the press conferences it could be a rich seam of discussionsTheScreamingEagles said:I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.
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in corporate planningTheScreamingEagles said:
Depends on your definition of immediate.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
1 year is short term
2-3 years is medium term
3+ years is long term
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It would be best for the country and all concerned if Boris and George had a job swap.Alanbrooke said:Maybe Theresa will recall Osborne
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I am looking forward to another Private Eye Cover like this one, dedicated to the over emotional and frequently tired George Brown.
http://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers/cover-232
F. O. The lot of you.0 -
If Windsor, avoid. Lot of cardboard in the construction, I am told.Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
Excellent. Many thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it out for you.Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
Excellent. Many thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
Think all the great and good (or not so good) fleet street journalists are with herBig_G_NorthWales said:
With Theresa May's global sojourn this week and all the press conferences it could be a rich seam of discussionsTheScreamingEagles said:I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.
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it would be best for the country if they both retired and left politics permanentlyTheScreamingEagles said:
It would be best for the country and all concerned if Boris and George had a job swap.Alanbrooke said:Maybe Theresa will recall Osborne
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My guess is Osborne was thinking in terms of geological time scales.Alanbrooke said:
in corporate planningTheScreamingEagles said:
Depends on your definition of immediate.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
1 year is short term
2-3 years is medium term
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In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
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The risks of leaving
The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.
There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
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You are quite right that Cameron and Osborne exaggerated to the point of lying.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
But the majority of remainers did not vote and probably would never vote for them.
The more honest case for remain was that it would lead to a longer term decline as trade with Europe declines, immigration falls etc. That case was made by others in Labour and Lib Dems and other parties.0 -
3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendumTheScreamingEagles said:
Depends on your definition of immediate.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.0 -
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Lib Dems not giving you copy? I mean, Vince puts on hat - isn't that enough?TheScreamingEagles said:I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.
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well spotted young SunilSunil_Prasannan said:
3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendumTheScreamingEagles said:
Depends on your definition of immediate.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
we could have had an Eck is crap thread
instead of the usual Brexit bollocks
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I am trying to write a thread on Sir Vince Cable becomes (next) Prime Minister.david_herdson said:
Lib Dems not giving you copy? I mean, Vince puts on hat - isn't that enough?TheScreamingEagles said:I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.
I suspect the likelihood of that is on a par of Christina Hendricks marrying me.0 -
I do a betting thread on a betting website and I get criticised. No pleasing some, I feel like Jesus on the stations of the crossGeorge Osborne when he was Chancellor.Alanbrooke said:
well spotted young SunilSunil_Prasannan said:
3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendumTheScreamingEagles said:
Depends on your definition of immediate.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
we could have had an Eck is crap thread
instead of the usual Brexit bollocks
tipping point0 -
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
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you mean you feel like youre sitting in a big pile of poo you made yourselfTheScreamingEagles said:
I do a betting thread on a betting website and I get criticised. No pleasing some, I feel like Jesus on the stations of the crossGeorge Osborne when he was Chancellor.Alanbrooke said:
well spotted young SunilSunil_Prasannan said:
3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendumTheScreamingEagles said:
Depends on your definition of immediate.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
we could have had an Eck is crap thread
instead of the usual Brexit bollocks
tipping point
very lawyerly0 -
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
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TSE: [distressed] What have I done?TheScreamingEagles said:
I do a betting thread on a betting website and I get criticised. No pleasing some, I feel like Jesus on the stations of the crossGeorge Osborne when he was Chancellor.Alanbrooke said:
well spotted young SunilSunil_Prasannan said:
3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendumTheScreamingEagles said:
Depends on your definition of immediate.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
we could have had an Eck is crap thread
instead of the usual Brexit bollocks
tipping point
Darth Gideon (aka Chancellor Osborne): You are fulfilling your destiny, TSE. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the Daft Side of the Force. There's no turning back now.
TSE: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Theresa's political career. I can't live without her. If she resigns, I don't know what I will do regarding "May is crap" threads!
Darth Gideon: To cheat political osbcurity is a power only one has achieved through centuries of the study of the Force. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret to eternal AV Threads!
TSE: I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the REMAIN Campaign.
Darth Gideon: Good. Good! The Force is strong with you, TSE. A powerful REMAINER you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Eagles.
TSE: Thank you... my Master.
Darth Gideon: Lord Eagles... rise.0 -
Have you tried Samuel Windsor?Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
Is it this one?Freggles said:
Excellent. Many thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.
http://bigfootshoes.co.uk/blog/bigfootshoes-advertises-in-private-eye/0 -
The 6/1 on Boris Johnson to be next out of the Cabinet looks great value to me. Surely this should be close to evens?0
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In my poorer days I bought those once. I think both pairs managed 6 months between them. To say the leather was cheap would be an understatement.Charles said:
Have you tried Samuel Windsor?Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
I agreeAlastairMeeks said:The 6/1 on Boris Johnson to be next out of the Cabinet looks great value to me. Surely this should be close to evens?
4/1 now
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-cabinet-minister-to-leave/225459274/
11/4 with Paddy Power
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=7976040 -
i thought we were meant to defy terrorists by carrying on business as usual, humming "It may be because I'm a Londoner" and offering each other cups of char? If that is wrong, perhaps no politician should do or say anything out of respect for the 4.7 people who will on average have died on the roads on any given day.williamglenn said:0 -
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
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At least 75% of that has transpired.FF43 said:
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
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The risks of leaving
The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.
There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.0 -
Anybody know what the hell this guy is on about?Ishmael_Z said:
i thought we were meant to defy terrorists by carrying on business as usual, humming "It may be because I'm a Londoner" and offering each other cups of char? If that is wrong, perhaps no politician should do or say anything out of respect for the 4.7 people who will on average have died on the roads on any given day.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/9098565712236666900 -
Just got a few quid on at 4 on BF.TheScreamingEagles said:
I agreeAlastairMeeks said:The 6/1 on Boris Johnson to be next out of the Cabinet looks great value to me. Surely this should be close to evens?
4/1 now
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-cabinet-minister-to-leave/225459274/
11/4 with Paddy Power
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=797604
Call it a flounce bet.0 -
I see 75% has been redefinednot_on_fire said:
At least 75% of that has transpired.FF43 said:
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
-----
The risks of leaving
The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.
There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
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so good progess being made on rebalancing the economyTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Sadly, not.TheScreamingEagles said:
Is it this one?Freggles said:
Excellent. Many thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.
http://bigfootshoes.co.uk/blog/bigfootshoes-advertises-in-private-eye/
They sold a range of leather and suede shoes, leather soles too, £40.0 -
Rebalancing a smaller economy.Alanbrooke said:
so good progess being made on rebalancing the economyTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Great, these look like the one I was thinking of. Thanks.Charles said:
Have you tried Samuel Windsor?Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.0 -
Exactly how well is Deutsche Bank doing at the moment.... I always suspect these things are more we want to remove x,000 jobs what can we blame it on....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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Erm No. Almost none of it has transpired, not least because most of it refers to after we leave. Will it transpire? Who knows. It depends entirely on whether or not we get a deal and what sort of deal that is. Claiming this is currently in any way prescient is just more Remoaner rubbish.not_on_fire said:
At least 75% of that has transpired.FF43 said:
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
-----
The risks of leaving
The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.
There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
Try again.0 -
last week we announced a monster load of jobs and lowest unemployment since 1975rottenborough said:
Rebalancing a smaller economy.Alanbrooke said:
so good progess being made on rebalancing the economyTheScreamingEagles said:
the economy has grown every quarter since 2016
dont they have numbers where you live ?0 -
On topic. Boris is a pretty poor Foreign Secretary but would be afar worse PM. The Tories and the country need to look elsewhere for any successor to May.0
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Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.0 -
Sounds very much like Samuel Windsor.Freggles said:
Sadly, not.TheScreamingEagles said:
Is it this one?Freggles said:
Excellent. Many thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.Freggles said:
It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.TheScreamingEagles said:
From the most recent edition?Freggles said:
The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.TheScreamingEagles said:
Which edition are you after?Freggles said:My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.
http://bigfootshoes.co.uk/blog/bigfootshoes-advertises-in-private-eye/
They sold a range of leather and suede shoes, leather soles too, £40.0 -
Like £350m a week?Alanbrooke said:
I see 75% has been redefinednot_on_fire said:
At least 75% of that has transpired.FF43 said:
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
-----
The risks of leaving
The
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.0 -
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.0 -
No it hasn't and you are no closer to being able to say it will happen than you were before the referendum. Like I said it is just rubbish - no less so now than it was when it was spewed out originally.not_on_fire said:
Like £350m a week?Alanbrooke said:
I see 75% has been redefinednot_on_fire said:
At least 75% of that has transpired.FF43 said:
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
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The risks of leaving
The
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.0 -
One of the few things Boris has been right about in recent years.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.0 -
as ever the doom mongers are looking for doom in the wrong placesnot_on_fire said:
Like £350m a week?Alanbrooke said:
I see 75% has been redefinednot_on_fire said:
At least 75% of that has transpired.FF43 said:
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
-----
The risks of leaving
The
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.
it will be an "event" that will shift perceptions
this time last year who was fretting about N Korea ?0 -
The City contributed around £70billion in UK taxes in 2016 (11% of total).Alanbrooke said:
last week we announced a monster load of jobs and lowest unemployment since 1975rottenborough said:
Rebalancing a smaller economy.Alanbrooke said:
so good progess being made on rebalancing the economyTheScreamingEagles said:
the economy has grown every quarter since 2016
dont they have numbers where you live ?
I'm all for rebalancing, long overdue, but needs to be at a pace that allows something else to replace this, or the services we all rely on are going to get hammered.0 -
and yet 10 years ago you were all piling in to the "new economy" and ramping the Cityrottenborough said:
The City contributed around £70billion in UK taxes in 2016 (11% of total).Alanbrooke said:
last week we announced a monster load of jobs and lowest unemployment since 1975rottenborough said:
Rebalancing a smaller economy.Alanbrooke said:
so good progess being made on rebalancing the economyTheScreamingEagles said:
the economy has grown every quarter since 2016
dont they have numbers where you live ?
I'm all for rebalancing, long overdue, but needs to be at a pace that allows something else to replace this, or the services we all rely on are going to get hammered.
it's why were in the shit today
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I am sure Johnson will leave the government very soon. But I doubt if he will be PM0
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Spicer "regrets" comments on size of Trump's inauguration crowds:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/arts/television/sean-spicer-emmys.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news0 -
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.0 -
He was at the Emmys last night, making fun of himself quite well from the brief clip I saw. Will watch the whole thing tomorrow, Colbert was apparently a very good host and there weren’t many Trump fans in the room.rottenborough said:Spicer "regrets" comments on size of Trump's inauguration crowds:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/arts/television/sean-spicer-emmys.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news0 -
A seriously tense night. Salmond's triumphal helicopter was on standby. I hope not to have to go through that again.Sunil_Prasannan said:
3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendumTheScreamingEagles said:
Depends on your definition of immediate.tlg86 said:If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.0 -
Completely off topic but can I just rant about the ignorance of some journalists.
This article - about censorship of cartoons by some MEPs - shows a couple of the cartoons before it fades behind the paywall. The second cartoon shows a scene which is clearly intended to mimic the famous Odessa Steps film from Battleship Potemkin. But the journalist who wrote it instead believes it is referencing the final shootout scene in The Untouchables. Whilst there are great similarities between the scenes in the two films, making it about bringing down a Chicago gangster rather than about an uncaring monolithic state killing its own citizens makes no sense at all.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/18/meps-censor-anti-eu-cartoons-european-parliament-exhibition/
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williamglenn said:
The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.0 -
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?Sandpit said:
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.0 -
You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?Richard_Tyndall said:
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?Sandpit said:
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.0 -
Then that’s for Parliament to decide. Those with an interest can appear before and be questioned by the relevant committee, then the proposal goes through the Commons and Lords in the same way as any other Bill.Richard_Tyndall said:
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?Sandpit said:
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?0 -
If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.
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T5 was a complete joke. The anecdote in this part of the world is that Dubai’s T3 was built in the same time as T5’s planning enquiry!JosiasJessop said:
You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?Richard_Tyndall said:
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?Sandpit said:
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.
That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.0 -
Sigh. Its like you think the enrichment of lawyers is a bad thing. Some of us have school fees and University accommodation to pay for.JosiasJessop said:
You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?Richard_Tyndall said:
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?Sandpit said:
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.0 -
I was trying to avoid specifically referencing either HS2 or Heathrow, this is more about a general principle. Again it goes back to how MPs vote. Are you saying that as long as the Government has a majority they should be able to force through whatever hairbrained schemes they like irrespective of how much damage it would do to people's lives for marginal or no economic benefit compared to other schemes? Surely we need some sort of check on the power of the executive in these instances?Sandpit said:
Then that’s for Parliament to decide. Those with an interest can appear before and be questioned by the relevant committee, then the proposal goes through the Commons and Lords in the same way as any other Bill.Richard_Tyndall said:
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?Sandpit said:
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?
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But how many centuries old villages or houses were destroyed to build Dubai T3?Sandpit said:
T5 was a complete joke. The anecdote in this part of the world is that Dubai’s T3 was built in the same time as T5’s planning enquiry!JosiasJessop said:
You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?Richard_Tyndall said:
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?Sandpit said:
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.FF43 said:
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.Sandpit said:On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.
That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.
Edit: Apologies I am comparing with the 3rd runway not T50 -
As usual it is impossible to improve on Terry Pratchett:MJW said:williamglenn said:
The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
“But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”0 -
Parliament is a check on the executive, with committees and the Lords being not controlled by one party or the other. Most current planning decisions are made by a committee of the local authority, which in some areas are absolute one party states with decisions being made based on how ‘friendly’ the applicant has been to whichever party.Richard_Tyndall said:
I was trying to avoid specifically referencing either HS2 or Heathrow, this is more about a general principle. Again it goes back to how MPs vote. Are you saying that as long as the Government has a majority they should be able to force through whatever hairbrained schemes they like irrespective of how much damage it would do to people's lives for marginal or no economic benefit compared to other schemes? Surely we need some sort of check on the power of the executive in these instances?Sandpit said:
Then that’s for Parliament to decide. Those with an interest can appear before and be questioned by the relevant committee, then the proposal goes through the Commons and Lords in the same way as any other Bill.Richard_Tyndall said:
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?Sandpit said:
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.rottenborough said:
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.Sandpit said:
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.eek said:
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?williamglenn said:
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?0 -
A good example of the Government making a bad planning decision is the Stonehenge bypass/tunnel. If they had got their own way and had not been challenged through the planning process they would have had a cut and cover solution which would have utterly destroyed much of the archaeology around the site. Decisions made by people who have no clue whatsoever about the importance of the archaeological landscape.Sandpit said:
T5 was a complete joke. The anecdote in this part of the world is that Dubai’s T3 was built in the same time as T5’s planning enquiry!
The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.
That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.
As it is they have been forced to go for a proper tunnel but even there have decided on a plan that in the view of UNESCO would cause serious and irreparable damage to the site. If you are going to have an efficient and well executed planning process then it has to be designed and run by people who actually know what they are talking about and are prepared to make a proper judgement on costs/benefits.
We now unfortunately have two sites in the UK where UNESCO are saying they might withdraw World Heritage Status.0 -
Talking of Pratchett (and I am a fan) is there a better description of the remainer view of leavers than this? Not even Alastair managed it.
"People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people."0 -
Ooo... shoes!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
Is it this one?
Oh.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mens shoes...
How dull.....
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Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.DavidL said:If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.0 -
Indeed. Although I get the feeling our politics would be infinitely better if more people on all sides had read The Rebel by Camus. If Burke made the compelling conservative case against revolution, Camus made the left-wing one.DavidL said:
As usual it is impossible to improve on Terry Pratchett:MJW said:williamglenn said:
The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
“But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”0 -
I always notice these scare stories are about what "could" happen if the big business in question doesn't get its way. It usually turns out to be bluff. That is why the exchange rate is already bouncing back as investors increasingly realise the scare stories were overblown. It is not the UK with 10% unemployment.eek said:
Exactly how well is Deutsche Bank doing at the moment.... I always suspect these things are more we want to remove x,000 jobs what can we blame it on....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think you are underestimating the instability and weakness of this government. It could very easily prove to be Boris out, all out.foxinsoxuk said:
Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.DavidL said:If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.0 -
My advice to Remoaners who find the expression "universal suffrage" too polysyllabic is to think of our system as "thick proles get to vote," and to try to accept that this is not a bug but a feature.DavidL said:Talking of Pratchett (and I am a fan) is there a better description of the remainer view of leavers than this? Not even Alastair managed it.
"People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people."0 -
Bit over my head, to be honest. I read it at University 30 odd years ago. It was a bit metaphysical for me.MJW said:
Indeed. Although I get the feeling our politics would be infinitely better if more people on all sides had read The Rebel by Camus. If Burke made the compelling conservative case against revolution, Camus made the left-wing one.DavidL said:
As usual it is impossible to improve on Terry Pratchett:MJW said:williamglenn said:
The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
“But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”0 -
That will only happen if the Tories are idiots. They need to deliver Brexit and then have a rush of trade deals and new announcements of new spending from the money saved.DavidL said:
I think you are underestimating the instability and weakness of this government. It could very easily prove to be Boris out, all out.foxinsoxuk said:
Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.DavidL said:If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.0 -
I think ObamaCare might be toast.
McCain will vote as the gov of Arizona wants and the Governor is in favour of the new shit show that is on offer.
Republicans will get 50.0 -
Long term I think that sees Trump lose in 2020.Alistair said:I think ObamaCare might be toast.
McCain will vote as the gov of Arizona wants and the Governor is in favour of the new shit show that is on offer.
Republicans will get 50.0 -
"If" the Tories are idiots? "If"? How much more evidence do you need?Zeitgeist said:
That will only happen if the Tories are idiots. They need to deliver Brexit and then have a rush of trade deals and new announcements of new spending from the money saved.DavidL said:
I think you are underestimating the instability and weakness of this government. It could very easily prove to be Boris out, all out.foxinsoxuk said:
Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.DavidL said:If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.0
