On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?
-----
The risks of leaving
The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.
There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
You are quite right that Cameron and Osborne exaggerated to the point of lying. But the majority of remainers did not vote and probably would never vote for them.
The more honest case for remain was that it would lead to a longer term decline as trade with Europe declines, immigration falls etc. That case was made by others in Labour and Lib Dems and other parties.
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Depends on your definition of immediate.
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendum
well spotted young Sunil
we could have had an Eck is crap thread
instead of the usual Brexit bollocks
tipping point
I do a betting thread on a betting website and I get criticised. No pleasing some, I feel like Jesus on the stations of the crossGeorge Osborne when he was Chancellor.
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Depends on your definition of immediate.
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendum
well spotted young Sunil
we could have had an Eck is crap thread
instead of the usual Brexit bollocks
tipping point
I do a betting thread on a betting website and I get criticised. No pleasing some, I feel like Jesus on the stations of the crossGeorge Osborne when he was Chancellor.
you mean you feel like youre sitting in a big pile of poo you made yourself
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
Depends on your definition of immediate.
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendum
well spotted young Sunil
we could have had an Eck is crap thread
instead of the usual Brexit bollocks
tipping point
I do a betting thread on a betting website and I get criticised. No pleasing some, I feel like Jesus on the stations of the crossGeorge Osborne when he was Chancellor.
TSE: [distressed] What have I done?
Darth Gideon (aka Chancellor Osborne): You are fulfilling your destiny, TSE. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the Daft Side of the Force. There's no turning back now.
TSE: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Theresa's political career. I can't live without her. If she resigns, I don't know what I will do regarding "May is crap" threads!
Darth Gideon: To cheat political osbcurity is a power only one has achieved through centuries of the study of the Force. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret to eternal AV Threads!
TSE: I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the REMAIN Campaign.
Darth Gideon: Good. Good! The Force is strong with you, TSE. A powerful REMAINER you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Eagles.
i thought we were meant to defy terrorists by carrying on business as usual, humming "It may be because I'm a Londoner" and offering each other cups of char? If that is wrong, perhaps no politician should do or say anything out of respect for the 4.7 people who will on average have died on the roads on any given day.
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?
-----
The risks of leaving
The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.
There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
i thought we were meant to defy terrorists by carrying on business as usual, humming "It may be because I'm a Londoner" and offering each other cups of char? If that is wrong, perhaps no politician should do or say anything out of respect for the 4.7 people who will on average have died on the roads on any given day.
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?
-----
The risks of leaving
The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.
There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
Exactly how well is Deutsche Bank doing at the moment.... I always suspect these things are more we want to remove x,000 jobs what can we blame it on....
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?
-----
The risks of leaving
The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.
There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
At least 75% of that has transpired.
Erm No. Almost none of it has transpired, not least because most of it refers to after we leave. Will it transpire? Who knows. It depends entirely on whether or not we get a deal and what sort of deal that is. Claiming this is currently in any way prescient is just more Remoaner rubbish.
On topic. Boris is a pretty poor Foreign Secretary but would be afar worse PM. The Tories and the country need to look elsewhere for any successor to May.
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?
-----
The risks of leaving
The
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
At least 75% of that has transpired.
I see 75% has been redefined
Like £350m a week?
Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?
-----
The risks of leaving
The
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
At least 75% of that has transpired.
I see 75% has been redefined
Like £350m a week?
Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.
No it hasn't and you are no closer to being able to say it will happen than you were before the referendum. Like I said it is just rubbish - no less so now than it was when it was spewed out originally.
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
One of the few things Boris has been right about in recent years.
If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?
-----
The risks of leaving
The
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
At least 75% of that has transpired.
I see 75% has been redefined
Like £350m a week?
Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.
as ever the doom mongers are looking for doom in the wrong places
it will be an "event" that will shift perceptions
this time last year who was fretting about N Korea ?
so good progess being made on rebalancing the economy
Rebalancing a smaller economy.
last week we announced a monster load of jobs and lowest unemployment since 1975
the economy has grown every quarter since 2016
dont they have numbers where you live ?
The City contributed around £70billion in UK taxes in 2016 (11% of total).
I'm all for rebalancing, long overdue, but needs to be at a pace that allows something else to replace this, or the services we all rely on are going to get hammered.
so good progess being made on rebalancing the economy
Rebalancing a smaller economy.
last week we announced a monster load of jobs and lowest unemployment since 1975
the economy has grown every quarter since 2016
dont they have numbers where you live ?
The City contributed around £70billion in UK taxes in 2016 (11% of total).
I'm all for rebalancing, long overdue, but needs to be at a pace that allows something else to replace this, or the services we all rely on are going to get hammered.
and yet 10 years ago you were all piling in to the "new economy" and ramping the City
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice. The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
He was at the Emmys last night, making fun of himself quite well from the brief clip I saw. Will watch the whole thing tomorrow, Colbert was apparently a very good host and there weren’t many Trump fans in the room.
Completely off topic but can I just rant about the ignorance of some journalists.
This article - about censorship of cartoons by some MEPs - shows a couple of the cartoons before it fades behind the paywall. The second cartoon shows a scene which is clearly intended to mimic the famous Odessa Steps film from Battleship Potemkin. But the journalist who wrote it instead believes it is referencing the final shootout scene in The Untouchables. Whilst there are great similarities between the scenes in the two films, making it about bringing down a Chicago gangster rather than about an uncaring monolithic state killing its own citizens makes no sense at all.
The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice. The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice. The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice. The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
Then that’s for Parliament to decide. Those with an interest can appear before and be questioned by the relevant committee, then the proposal goes through the Commons and Lords in the same way as any other Bill.
We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?
If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice. The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?
T5 was a complete joke. The anecdote in this part of the world is that Dubai’s T3 was built in the same time as T5’s planning enquiry!
The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.
That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice. The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?
Sigh. Its like you think the enrichment of lawyers is a bad thing. Some of us have school fees and University accommodation to pay for.
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice. The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
Then that’s for Parliament to decide. Those with an interest can appear before and be questioned by the relevant committee, then the proposal goes through the Commons and Lords in the same way as any other Bill.
We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?
I was trying to avoid specifically referencing either HS2 or Heathrow, this is more about a general principle. Again it goes back to how MPs vote. Are you saying that as long as the Government has a majority they should be able to force through whatever hairbrained schemes they like irrespective of how much damage it would do to people's lives for marginal or no economic benefit compared to other schemes? Surely we need some sort of check on the power of the executive in these instances?
On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice. The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?
T5 was a complete joke. The anecdote in this part of the world is that Dubai’s T3 was built in the same time as T5’s planning enquiry!
The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.
That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.
But how many centuries old villages or houses were destroyed to build Dubai T3?
Edit: Apologies I am comparing with the 3rd runway not T5
The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
As usual it is impossible to improve on Terry Pratchett: “But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”
Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice. The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
Then that’s for Parliament to decide. Those with an interest can appear before and be questioned by the relevant committee, then the proposal goes through the Commons and Lords in the same way as any other Bill.
We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?
I was trying to avoid specifically referencing either HS2 or Heathrow, this is more about a general principle. Again it goes back to how MPs vote. Are you saying that as long as the Government has a majority they should be able to force through whatever hairbrained schemes they like irrespective of how much damage it would do to people's lives for marginal or no economic benefit compared to other schemes? Surely we need some sort of check on the power of the executive in these instances?
Parliament is a check on the executive, with committees and the Lords being not controlled by one party or the other. Most current planning decisions are made by a committee of the local authority, which in some areas are absolute one party states with decisions being made based on how ‘friendly’ the applicant has been to whichever party.
T5 was a complete joke. The anecdote in this part of the world is that Dubai’s T3 was built in the same time as T5’s planning enquiry!
The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.
That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.
A good example of the Government making a bad planning decision is the Stonehenge bypass/tunnel. If they had got their own way and had not been challenged through the planning process they would have had a cut and cover solution which would have utterly destroyed much of the archaeology around the site. Decisions made by people who have no clue whatsoever about the importance of the archaeological landscape.
As it is they have been forced to go for a proper tunnel but even there have decided on a plan that in the view of UNESCO would cause serious and irreparable damage to the site. If you are going to have an efficient and well executed planning process then it has to be designed and run by people who actually know what they are talking about and are prepared to make a proper judgement on costs/benefits.
We now unfortunately have two sites in the UK where UNESCO are saying they might withdraw World Heritage Status.
Talking of Pratchett (and I am a fan) is there a better description of the remainer view of leavers than this? Not even Alastair managed it.
"People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people."
If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.
Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.
The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
As usual it is impossible to improve on Terry Pratchett: “But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”
Indeed. Although I get the feeling our politics would be infinitely better if more people on all sides had read The Rebel by Camus. If Burke made the compelling conservative case against revolution, Camus made the left-wing one.
Exactly how well is Deutsche Bank doing at the moment.... I always suspect these things are more we want to remove x,000 jobs what can we blame it on....
I always notice these scare stories are about what "could" happen if the big business in question doesn't get its way. It usually turns out to be bluff. That is why the exchange rate is already bouncing back as investors increasingly realise the scare stories were overblown. It is not the UK with 10% unemployment.
If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.
Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.
I think you are underestimating the instability and weakness of this government. It could very easily prove to be Boris out, all out.
Talking of Pratchett (and I am a fan) is there a better description of the remainer view of leavers than this? Not even Alastair managed it.
"People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people."
My advice to Remoaners who find the expression "universal suffrage" too polysyllabic is to think of our system as "thick proles get to vote," and to try to accept that this is not a bug but a feature.
The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
As usual it is impossible to improve on Terry Pratchett: “But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”
Indeed. Although I get the feeling our politics would be infinitely better if more people on all sides had read The Rebel by Camus. If Burke made the compelling conservative case against revolution, Camus made the left-wing one.
Bit over my head, to be honest. I read it at University 30 odd years ago. It was a bit metaphysical for me.
If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.
Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.
I think you are underestimating the instability and weakness of this government. It could very easily prove to be Boris out, all out.
That will only happen if the Tories are idiots. They need to deliver Brexit and then have a rush of trade deals and new announcements of new spending from the money saved.
If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.
Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.
I think you are underestimating the instability and weakness of this government. It could very easily prove to be Boris out, all out.
That will only happen if the Tories are idiots. They need to deliver Brexit and then have a rush of trade deals and new announcements of new spending from the money saved.
"If" the Tories are idiots? "If"? How much more evidence do you need?
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Missing word ‘to’ in your bad pun by the way.
Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
Don't judge me.
Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:
"a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
guffawwwwww arf arf arf
Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
1 year is short term
2-3 years is medium term
3+ years is long term
http://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers/cover-232
F. O. The lot of you.
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The risks of leaving
The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.
There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.
You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.
Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.
After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.
We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.
But the majority of remainers did not vote and probably would never vote for them.
The more honest case for remain was that it would lead to a longer term decline as trade with Europe declines, immigration falls etc. That case was made by others in Labour and Lib Dems and other parties.
https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909855682794524674
we could have had an Eck is crap thread
instead of the usual Brexit bollocks
tipping point
I suspect the likelihood of that is on a par of Christina Hendricks marrying me.
very lawyerly
Darth Gideon (aka Chancellor Osborne): You are fulfilling your destiny, TSE. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the Daft Side of the Force. There's no turning back now.
TSE: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Theresa's political career. I can't live without her. If she resigns, I don't know what I will do regarding "May is crap" threads!
Darth Gideon: To cheat political osbcurity is a power only one has achieved through centuries of the study of the Force. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret to eternal AV Threads!
TSE: I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the REMAIN Campaign.
Darth Gideon: Good. Good! The Force is strong with you, TSE. A powerful REMAINER you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Eagles.
TSE: Thank you... my Master.
Darth Gideon: Lord Eagles... rise.
http://bigfootshoes.co.uk/blog/bigfootshoes-advertises-in-private-eye/
4/1 now
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-cabinet-minister-to-leave/225459274/
11/4 with Paddy Power
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=797604
https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909856571223666690
Call it a flounce bet.
They sold a range of leather and suede shoes, leather soles too, £40.
https://twitter.com/martin_mckee/status/909771975807176704
Try again.
the economy has grown every quarter since 2016
dont they have numbers where you live ?
Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.
it will be an "event" that will shift perceptions
this time last year who was fretting about N Korea ?
I'm all for rebalancing, long overdue, but needs to be at a pace that allows something else to replace this, or the services we all rely on are going to get hammered.
it's why were in the shit today
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/arts/television/sean-spicer-emmys.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
This article - about censorship of cartoons by some MEPs - shows a couple of the cartoons before it fades behind the paywall. The second cartoon shows a scene which is clearly intended to mimic the famous Odessa Steps film from Battleship Potemkin. But the journalist who wrote it instead believes it is referencing the final shootout scene in The Untouchables. Whilst there are great similarities between the scenes in the two films, making it about bringing down a Chicago gangster rather than about an uncaring monolithic state killing its own citizens makes no sense at all.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/18/meps-censor-anti-eu-cartoons-european-parliament-exhibition/
The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?
One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.
The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.
That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.
Edit: Apologies I am comparing with the 3rd runway not T5
“But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”
As it is they have been forced to go for a proper tunnel but even there have decided on a plan that in the view of UNESCO would cause serious and irreparable damage to the site. If you are going to have an efficient and well executed planning process then it has to be designed and run by people who actually know what they are talking about and are prepared to make a proper judgement on costs/benefits.
We now unfortunately have two sites in the UK where UNESCO are saying they might withdraw World Heritage Status.
"People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people."
Mens shoes...
How dull.....
McCain will vote as the gov of Arizona wants and the Governor is in favour of the new shit show that is on offer.
Republicans will get 50.