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When asked if they will resign, Cabinet ministers are traditionally very quick to say no if the answer is no. Boris just pointedly didn't.

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,910
    edited September 2017
    Primo?
    Missing word ‘to’ in your bad pun by the way.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Segundo
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    FFS FO.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    The only one who should Foxtrot Oscar is Theresa...
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,487
    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,487
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,233
    Largest number of Brits don't know by some distance and probably dont care
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    GIN1138 said:

    The only one who should Foxtrot Oscar is Theresa...

    Yay, you spotted my subtle pun
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,216
    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,910
    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    Maybe Theresa will recall Osborne

    guffawwwwww arf arf arf
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    edited September 2017
    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    Depends on your definition of immediate.

    Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,487
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    edited September 2017
    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Alanbrooke said:

    Maybe Theresa will recall Osborne

    guffawwwwww arf arf arf

    If she really wanted to troll the 'bastards' she should draft John Major into the cabinet.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,233
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.

    With Theresa May's global sojourn this week and all the press conferences it could be a rich seam of discussions
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    Depends on your definition of immediate.

    Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
    in corporate planning

    1 year is short term
    2-3 years is medium term
    3+ years is long term

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Alanbrooke said:

    Maybe Theresa will recall Osborne

    guffawwwwww arf arf arf

    It would be best for the country and all concerned if Boris and George had a job swap.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    I am looking forward to another Private Eye Cover like this one, dedicated to the over emotional and frequently tired George Brown.

    http://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers/cover-232

    F. O. The lot of you.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    If Windsor, avoid. Lot of cardboard in the construction, I am told.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,487
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it out for you.
    Excellent. Many thanks.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,487
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.
    Excellent. Many thanks.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,233
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.

    With Theresa May's global sojourn this week and all the press conferences it could be a rich seam of discussions
    Think all the great and good (or not so good) fleet street journalists are with her
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Maybe Theresa will recall Osborne

    guffawwwwww arf arf arf

    It would be best for the country and all concerned if Boris and George had a job swap.
    it would be best for the country if they both retired and left politics permanently
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,216
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    Depends on your definition of immediate.

    Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
    in corporate planning

    1 year is short term
    2-3 years is medium term
    3+ years is long term

    My guess is Osborne was thinking in terms of geological time scales.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?

    -----

    The risks of leaving

    The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.

    There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.

    You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.

    Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.

    After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.

    We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.

  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,799
    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    You are quite right that Cameron and Osborne exaggerated to the point of lying.
    But the majority of remainers did not vote and probably would never vote for them.

    The more honest case for remain was that it would lead to a longer term decline as trade with Europe declines, immigration falls etc. That case was made by others in Labour and Lib Dems and other parties.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,926
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    Depends on your definition of immediate.

    Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
    3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendum
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Uh-oh.
    https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909855682794524674
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.

    Lib Dems not giving you copy? I mean, Vince puts on hat - isn't that enough?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    Depends on your definition of immediate.

    Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
    3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendum
    well spotted young Sunil

    we could have had an Eck is crap thread

    instead of the usual Brexit bollocks

    tipping point
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    david_herdson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I suspect this is going to be a bad week to write threads way in advance.

    Lib Dems not giving you copy? I mean, Vince puts on hat - isn't that enough?
    I am trying to write a thread on Sir Vince Cable becomes (next) Prime Minister.

    I suspect the likelihood of that is on a par of Christina Hendricks marrying me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    edited September 2017
    Alanbrooke said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    Depends on your definition of immediate.

    Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
    3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendum
    well spotted young Sunil

    we could have had an Eck is crap thread

    instead of the usual Brexit bollocks

    tipping point
    I do a betting thread on a betting website and I get criticised. No pleasing some, I feel like Jesus on the stations of the crossGeorge Osborne when he was Chancellor.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    edited September 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    Depends on your definition of immediate.

    Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
    3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendum
    well spotted young Sunil

    we could have had an Eck is crap thread

    instead of the usual Brexit bollocks

    tipping point
    I do a betting thread on a betting website and I get criticised. No pleasing some, I feel like Jesus on the stations of the crossGeorge Osborne when he was Chancellor.
    you mean you feel like youre sitting in a big pile of poo you made yourself

    very lawyerly
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,926
    edited September 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    Depends on your definition of immediate.

    Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
    3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendum
    well spotted young Sunil

    we could have had an Eck is crap thread

    instead of the usual Brexit bollocks

    tipping point
    I do a betting thread on a betting website and I get criticised. No pleasing some, I feel like Jesus on the stations of the crossGeorge Osborne when he was Chancellor.
    TSE: [distressed] What have I done?

    Darth Gideon (aka Chancellor Osborne): You are fulfilling your destiny, TSE. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the Daft Side of the Force. There's no turning back now.

    TSE: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Theresa's political career. I can't live without her. If she resigns, I don't know what I will do regarding "May is crap" threads!

    Darth Gideon: To cheat political osbcurity is a power only one has achieved through centuries of the study of the Force. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret to eternal AV Threads!

    TSE: I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the REMAIN Campaign.

    Darth Gideon: Good. Good! The Force is strong with you, TSE. A powerful REMAINER you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Eagles.

    TSE: Thank you... my Master.

    Darth Gideon: Lord Eagles... rise.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    Have you tried Samuel Windsor?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.
    Excellent. Many thanks.
    Is it this one?

    http://bigfootshoes.co.uk/blog/bigfootshoes-advertises-in-private-eye/
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The 6/1 on Boris Johnson to be next out of the Cabinet looks great value to me. Surely this should be close to evens?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,297
    edited September 2017
    Charles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    Have you tried Samuel Windsor?
    In my poorer days I bought those once. I think both pairs managed 6 months between them. To say the leather was cheap would be an understatement.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    edited September 2017
    AlastairMeeks said:

    The 6/1 on Boris Johnson to be next out of the Cabinet looks great value to me. Surely this should be close to evens?

    I agree

    4/1 now

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-cabinet-minister-to-leave/225459274/

    11/4 with Paddy Power

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=797604
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    williamglenn said:

    Uh-oh.
    https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909855682794524674

    i thought we were meant to defy terrorists by carrying on business as usual, humming "It may be because I'm a Londoner" and offering each other cups of char? If that is wrong, perhaps no politician should do or say anything out of respect for the 4.7 people who will on average have died on the roads on any given day.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,297
    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?

    -----

    The risks of leaving

    The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.

    There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.

    You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.

    Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.

    After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.

    We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.

    At least 75% of that has transpired.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    Ishmael_Z said:

    williamglenn said:

    Uh-oh.
    https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909855682794524674

    i thought we were meant to defy terrorists by carrying on business as usual, humming "It may be because I'm a Londoner" and offering each other cups of char? If that is wrong, perhaps no politician should do or say anything out of respect for the 4.7 people who will on average have died on the roads on any given day.
    Anybody know what the hell this guy is on about?

    https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909856571223666690
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    The 6/1 on Boris Johnson to be next out of the Cabinet looks great value to me. Surely this should be close to evens?

    I agree

    4/1 now

    https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-cabinet-minister-to-leave/225459274/

    11/4 with Paddy Power

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=797604
    Just got a few quid on at 4 on BF.

    Call it a flounce bet.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    not_on_fire said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?

    -----

    The risks of leaving

    The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.

    There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.

    You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.

    Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.

    After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.

    We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.

    At least 75% of that has transpired.
    I see 75% has been redefined
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    https://twitter.com/GavinHJackson/status/909857875962601473
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/GavinHJackson/status/909857875962601473

    so good progess being made on rebalancing the economy
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,487
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.
    Excellent. Many thanks.
    Is it this one?

    http://bigfootshoes.co.uk/blog/bigfootshoes-advertises-in-private-eye/
    Sadly, not.

    They sold a range of leather and suede shoes, leather soles too, £40.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/GavinHJackson/status/909857875962601473

    so good progess being made on rebalancing the economy
    Rebalancing a smaller economy.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,487
    Charles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    Have you tried Samuel Windsor?
    Great, these look like the one I was thinking of. Thanks.
  • eekeek Posts: 31,297
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/GavinHJackson/status/909857875962601473

    Exactly how well is Deutsche Bank doing at the moment.... I always suspect these things are more we want to remove x,000 jobs what can we blame it on....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    New? Significant?

    https://twitter.com/martin_mckee/status/909771975807176704
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    edited September 2017
    not_on_fire said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?

    -----

    The risks of leaving

    The Bank of England says that if we left, there would be an economic shock, and we could go back into recession, putting your job at risk and your family budget under pressure.

    There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.

    You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.

    Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.

    After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.

    We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.

    At least 75% of that has transpired.
    Erm No. Almost none of it has transpired, not least because most of it refers to after we leave. Will it transpire? Who knows. It depends entirely on whether or not we get a deal and what sort of deal that is. Claiming this is currently in any way prescient is just more Remoaner rubbish.

    Try again.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    rottenborough said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/GavinHJackson/status/909857875962601473

    so good progess being made on rebalancing the economy
    Rebalancing a smaller economy.
    last week we announced a monster load of jobs and lowest unemployment since 1975

    the economy has grown every quarter since 2016

    dont they have numbers where you live ?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    On topic. Boris is a pretty poor Foreign Secretary but would be afar worse PM. The Tories and the country need to look elsewhere for any successor to May.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,910
    edited September 2017
    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,332
    edited September 2017
    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Freggles said:

    My first two comments disappeared. Sad times.

    Does anyone have a Private Eye subscription or buy one regularly and feel mildly helpful?

    Which edition are you after?
    The cheap leather shoes advertisement on the back cover.
    Don't judge me.
    From the most recent edition?
    It would have been a while ago I saw it, but I think they recur.
    I've texted my friend, he is an avid collector, he'll try and find it for you.
    Excellent. Many thanks.
    Is it this one?

    http://bigfootshoes.co.uk/blog/bigfootshoes-advertises-in-private-eye/
    Sadly, not.

    They sold a range of leather and suede shoes, leather soles too, £40.
    Sounds very much like Samuel Windsor.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    Alanbrooke said:

    not_on_fire said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?

    -----

    The risks of leaving

    The

    You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.

    Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.

    After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.

    We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.

    At least 75% of that has transpired.
    I see 75% has been redefined
    Like £350m a week?

    Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    not_on_fire said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    not_on_fire said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?

    -----

    The risks of leaving

    The

    You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.

    Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.

    After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.

    We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.

    At least 75% of that has transpired.
    I see 75% has been redefined
    Like £350m a week?

    Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.
    No it hasn't and you are no closer to being able to say it will happen than you were before the referendum. Like I said it is just rubbish - no less so now than it was when it was spewed out originally.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    One of the few things Boris has been right about in recent years.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    edited September 2017
    not_on_fire said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    not_on_fire said:

    FF43 said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    In full, the Stronger In predictions. Anything clearly wrong so far?

    -----

    The risks of leaving

    The

    You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.

    Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.

    After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.

    We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.

    At least 75% of that has transpired.
    I see 75% has been redefined
    Like £350m a week?

    Seriously though, although we haven't had a recession, everything else in that list has either happened or is about to if we don't get a deal.
    as ever the doom mongers are looking for doom in the wrong places

    it will be an "event" that will shift perceptions

    this time last year who was fretting about N Korea ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    Alanbrooke said:

    rottenborough said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/GavinHJackson/status/909857875962601473

    so good progess being made on rebalancing the economy
    Rebalancing a smaller economy.
    last week we announced a monster load of jobs and lowest unemployment since 1975

    the economy has grown every quarter since 2016

    dont they have numbers where you live ?
    The City contributed around £70billion in UK taxes in 2016 (11% of total).

    I'm all for rebalancing, long overdue, but needs to be at a pace that allows something else to replace this, or the services we all rely on are going to get hammered.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    rottenborough said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    rottenborough said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/GavinHJackson/status/909857875962601473

    so good progess being made on rebalancing the economy
    Rebalancing a smaller economy.
    last week we announced a monster load of jobs and lowest unemployment since 1975

    the economy has grown every quarter since 2016

    dont they have numbers where you live ?
    The City contributed around £70billion in UK taxes in 2016 (11% of total).

    I'm all for rebalancing, long overdue, but needs to be at a pace that allows something else to replace this, or the services we all rely on are going to get hammered.
    and yet 10 years ago you were all piling in to the "new economy" and ramping the City

    it's why were in the shit today

  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    I am sure Johnson will leave the government very soon. But I doubt if he will be PM
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    Spicer "regrets" comments on size of Trump's inauguration crowds:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/arts/television/sean-spicer-emmys.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,910
    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.
    The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,910
    edited September 2017
    rottenborough said:

    Spicer "regrets" comments on size of Trump's inauguration crowds:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/arts/television/sean-spicer-emmys.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

    He was at the Emmys last night, making fun of himself quite well from the brief clip I saw. Will watch the whole thing tomorrow, Colbert was apparently a very good host and there weren’t many Trump fans in the room.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,381
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    If Brexit does turn into the long term disaster that Remain predicted

    Mr Eagles, you clearly didn't take on board what Mr Meeks said this morning. Let me remind you what Mr Osborne said before the vote:

    "a vote to leave would represent an immediate and profound shock to our economy. That shock would push our economy into a recession.”

    Depends on your definition of immediate.

    Within 3 years in the grand scheme of things in the universe and economics is immediate.
    3 years ago this very night the CyberNats lost their referendum
    A seriously tense night. Salmond's triumphal helicopter was on standby. I hope not to have to go through that again.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    Completely off topic but can I just rant about the ignorance of some journalists.

    This article - about censorship of cartoons by some MEPs - shows a couple of the cartoons before it fades behind the paywall. The second cartoon shows a scene which is clearly intended to mimic the famous Odessa Steps film from Battleship Potemkin. But the journalist who wrote it instead believes it is referencing the final shootout scene in The Untouchables. Whilst there are great similarities between the scenes in the two films, making it about bringing down a Chicago gangster rather than about an uncaring monolithic state killing its own citizens makes no sense at all.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/18/meps-censor-anti-eu-cartoons-european-parliament-exhibition/
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,021
    williamglenn said:

    Uh-oh.
    https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909855682794524674


    The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.
    The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
    But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,084
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.
    The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
    But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
    You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,910
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.
    The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
    But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
    Then that’s for Parliament to decide. Those with an interest can appear before and be questioned by the relevant committee, then the proposal goes through the Commons and Lords in the same way as any other Bill.

    We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,381
    If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.

    One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,910
    edited September 2017
    JosiasJessop said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.
    The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
    But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
    You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?
    T5 was a complete joke. The anecdote in this part of the world is that Dubai’s T3 was built in the same time as T5’s planning enquiry!

    The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.

    That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,381
    JosiasJessop said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.
    The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
    But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
    You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?
    Sigh. Its like you think the enrichment of lawyers is a bad thing. Some of us have school fees and University accommodation to pay for.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    Sandpit said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.
    The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
    But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
    Then that’s for Parliament to decide. Those with an interest can appear before and be questioned by the relevant committee, then the proposal goes through the Commons and Lords in the same way as any other Bill.

    We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?
    I was trying to avoid specifically referencing either HS2 or Heathrow, this is more about a general principle. Again it goes back to how MPs vote. Are you saying that as long as the Government has a majority they should be able to force through whatever hairbrained schemes they like irrespective of how much damage it would do to people's lives for marginal or no economic benefit compared to other schemes? Surely we need some sort of check on the power of the executive in these instances?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    edited September 2017
    Sandpit said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, no he’s not going anywhere, he’ll probably move on as part of a wider reshuffle in the late autumn when things have died down a bit. His attempt to get the party united behind him to challenge Mrs May has clearly failed.

    A question is whether Boris Johnson is interested in being a cabinet minister if he reckons there's little prospect of being PM. I saw Johnson's role as selling to the British public whatever Brexit deal transpires. In return he gets a sinecure at the Foreign Office. He isn't carrying out his real role and is therefore no longer useful.
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.
    The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
    But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
    You and I disagree about HS2, but a question has to be what actual good comes out of a multi-million planning inquiry such as the Heathrow T5 affair. Yes, lawyers and other professionals were enriched, but what actual changes did the inquiry prompt?
    T5 was a complete joke. The anecdote in this part of the world is that Dubai’s T3 was built in the same time as T5’s planning enquiry!

    The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.

    That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.
    But how many centuries old villages or houses were destroyed to build Dubai T3?

    Edit: Apologies I am comparing with the 3rd runway not T5
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,381
    MJW said:

    williamglenn said:

    Uh-oh.
    https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909855682794524674


    The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
    As usual it is impossible to improve on Terry Pratchett:
    “But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,910
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Sandpit said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Sandpit said:

    rottenborough said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:

    Sandpit said:

    .

    .
    Or even whether he's interested in being an MP. He might do a super-flounce.
    Would the Tories keep Uxbridge with Heathrow's 3rd runway still not finalised?
    Even starting it would be a bloody micacle at this rate. They might as well build 3 and 4 together, because by the time 3 finally opens it will already be completely full.

    Never has JFDI seemed more appropriate for a project.
    It would be quicker to build Boris Island.
    That idea had its own share of problems though, a good idea in theory but not in practice.
    The issue is the planning system, which is completely broken anyway, but for major infrastructure projects even more so. They should be able to pass the Heathrow (Expansion) Bill in Parliament and have spades in the ground within weeks. Ditto with HS2.
    But what if the ideas themselves are fundamentally flawed?
    Then that’s for Parliament to decide. Those with an interest can appear before and be questioned by the relevant committee, then the proposal goes through the Commons and Lords in the same way as any other Bill.

    We need to stop pandering to those who moved next to the airport and complain about the noise, or those who ‘find’ the wrong type of badger on the site and bloody well get on with it. We’ve really forgotten how to just get stuff done, how would we have built the motorway network with current planning rules?
    I was trying to avoid specifically referencing either HS2 or Heathrow, this is more about a general principle. Again it goes back to how MPs vote. Are you saying that as long as the Government has a majority they should be able to force through whatever hairbrained schemes they like irrespective of how much damage it would do to people's lives for marginal or no economic benefit compared to other schemes? Surely we need some sort of check on the power of the executive in these instances?
    Parliament is a check on the executive, with committees and the Lords being not controlled by one party or the other. Most current planning decisions are made by a committee of the local authority, which in some areas are absolute one party states with decisions being made based on how ‘friendly’ the applicant has been to whichever party.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    Sandpit said:


    T5 was a complete joke. The anecdote in this part of the world is that Dubai’s T3 was built in the same time as T5’s planning enquiry!

    The projects were almost identical in scope, being a couple of large buildings inside the existing airfield boundary, with no more than a couple of access roads and rail stations needing to be constructed outside.

    That’s not to say that everything done in the sandpit is better than in the UK, but things like large planning decisions need to be massively speeded up in the UK.

    A good example of the Government making a bad planning decision is the Stonehenge bypass/tunnel. If they had got their own way and had not been challenged through the planning process they would have had a cut and cover solution which would have utterly destroyed much of the archaeology around the site. Decisions made by people who have no clue whatsoever about the importance of the archaeological landscape.

    As it is they have been forced to go for a proper tunnel but even there have decided on a plan that in the view of UNESCO would cause serious and irreparable damage to the site. If you are going to have an efficient and well executed planning process then it has to be designed and run by people who actually know what they are talking about and are prepared to make a proper judgement on costs/benefits.

    We now unfortunately have two sites in the UK where UNESCO are saying they might withdraw World Heritage Status.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,381
    Talking of Pratchett (and I am a fan) is there a better description of the remainer view of leavers than this? Not even Alastair managed it.

    "People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people."
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    TheScreamingEagles said:


    Is it this one?

    Ooo... shoes!!!
    TheScreamingEagles said:


    http://bigfootshoes.co.uk/blog/bigfootshoes-advertises-in-private-eye/

    Oh.

    Mens shoes...

    How dull..... :(
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    DavidL said:

    If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.

    One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.


    Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,021
    DavidL said:

    MJW said:

    williamglenn said:

    Uh-oh.
    https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909855682794524674


    The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
    As usual it is impossible to improve on Terry Pratchett:
    “But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”
    Indeed. Although I get the feeling our politics would be infinitely better if more people on all sides had read The Rebel by Camus. If Burke made the compelling conservative case against revolution, Camus made the left-wing one.
  • ZeitgeistZeitgeist Posts: 43
    eek said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/GavinHJackson/status/909857875962601473

    Exactly how well is Deutsche Bank doing at the moment.... I always suspect these things are more we want to remove x,000 jobs what can we blame it on....
    I always notice these scare stories are about what "could" happen if the big business in question doesn't get its way. It usually turns out to be bluff. That is why the exchange rate is already bouncing back as investors increasingly realise the scare stories were overblown. It is not the UK with 10% unemployment.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,381
    foxinsoxuk said:

    DavidL said:

    If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.

    One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.


    Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.
    I think you are underestimating the instability and weakness of this government. It could very easily prove to be Boris out, all out.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    DavidL said:

    Talking of Pratchett (and I am a fan) is there a better description of the remainer view of leavers than this? Not even Alastair managed it.

    "People on the side of The People always ended up disappointed, in any case. They found that The People tended not to be grateful or appreciative or forward-thinking or obedient. The People tended to be small-minded and conservative and not very clever and were even distrustful of cleverness. And so the children of the revolution were faced with the age-old problem: it wasn't that you had the wrong kind of government, which was obvious, but that you had the wrong kind of people."

    My advice to Remoaners who find the expression "universal suffrage" too polysyllabic is to think of our system as "thick proles get to vote," and to try to accept that this is not a bug but a feature.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,381
    MJW said:

    DavidL said:

    MJW said:

    williamglenn said:

    Uh-oh.
    https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/status/909855682794524674


    The hilarious thing about that Dominic Cummings thread is his characterisation of Brexit as a "revolution" that should be pursued in a purer and more aggressive form, forgetting Burke's founding conservative principle - revolutions, especially ones based on abstractions, rarely end well or where their instigators intend them to.
    As usual it is impossible to improve on Terry Pratchett:
    “But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”
    Indeed. Although I get the feeling our politics would be infinitely better if more people on all sides had read The Rebel by Camus. If Burke made the compelling conservative case against revolution, Camus made the left-wing one.
    Bit over my head, to be honest. I read it at University 30 odd years ago. It was a bit metaphysical for me.
  • ZeitgeistZeitgeist Posts: 43
    DavidL said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    DavidL said:

    If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.

    One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.


    Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.
    I think you are underestimating the instability and weakness of this government. It could very easily prove to be Boris out, all out.
    That will only happen if the Tories are idiots. They need to deliver Brexit and then have a rush of trade deals and new announcements of new spending from the money saved.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I think ObamaCare might be toast.

    McCain will vote as the gov of Arizona wants and the Governor is in favour of the new shit show that is on offer.

    Republicans will get 50.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Alistair said:

    I think ObamaCare might be toast.

    McCain will vote as the gov of Arizona wants and the Governor is in favour of the new shit show that is on offer.

    Republicans will get 50.

    Long term I think that sees Trump lose in 2020.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,381
    Zeitgeist said:

    DavidL said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    DavidL said:

    If Boris quits from the cabinet at this time then his chances of becoming leader tend towards zero. It would be different if he was sacked but even May has picked up on the idea that would not be smart. Since he has apparently not given up on the idea of being leader he will hang in there until sacked. Expect more provocation shortly.

    One of the many problems that May has is that falling out with Boris in a material way means that she has no majority, at least as long as Gove and Patel seem to be backing him. She is in a horrible position. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate person really.


    Bojo out, Davis to FCO, but who to DExEU? JRM or Gove would be the way to hard Brexit. Hammond would be for soft, but might not take it.
    I think you are underestimating the instability and weakness of this government. It could very easily prove to be Boris out, all out.
    That will only happen if the Tories are idiots. They need to deliver Brexit and then have a rush of trade deals and new announcements of new spending from the money saved.
    "If" the Tories are idiots? "If"? How much more evidence do you need?
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