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The Isle of Wight acted as a refuge when England was overrun by triffids. Presumably, zombies, like triffids can't swim, so emergency planning should focus on relocating people to offshore islands.foxinsoxuk said:
Leicester council admitted being poorly prepared, feeling that some aspects of its general emergency plans would cover it:stodge said:Afternoon all
A jolly thread for a Friday afternoon. I know some Councils have been asked about their plans for a zombie apocalypse via Freedom of Information. One Council was asked what it would do if Santa's sleigh crash-landed in their area.
I'm conscious how much I depend on electricity and its availability. Ignoring pandemics, zombies and nuclear war, my main worry would be a substantial electricity blackout lasting not just minutes but days. A midwinter failure of supply lasting a week was documented on C4 but just thinking about how reliant I am on that power forced me to do some stocking up as well but am I prepared ? Not really.
The thought of sitting for days in the dark and increasing cold nursing the last of the candles and the torches and the tinned food while Theresa May and Michael Fallon assure me everything is all right and I can hear the looters up East Ham High Street having another evening's "fun" - not pleasant.
The Sun is now shining so perhaps all is not yet lost even for the cricket.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798
When Fox Jr was younger we decided the best refuge was Hambleton Hall on Rutland water. It has a narrow necked defensible perimeter, and as well as the Michelin starred restaurant and wine celler, the access to freshwater, and trout in the lake. A dinghy as escape vessel would be easy too for moments of last resort.
The Isle of Wight has advantages too, not least that the Zombies there would be a lot slower with their zimmer frames...0 -
As opposed to onshore islands? My understanding from Max Brooks' The Zombie Survival Guide is that as zombies don't need oxygen they could walk across the sea floor and eventually reach islands. That said they could equally between swept away or walk into the middle of the Atlantic, so an island would offer a degree of safety.Sean_F said:
The Isle of Wight acted as a refuge when England was overrun by triffids. Presumably, zombies, like triffids can't swim, so emergency planning should focus on relocating people to offshore islands.foxinsoxuk said:
Leicester council admitted being poorly prepared, feeling that some aspects of its general emergency plans would cover it:stodge said:Afternoon all
A jolly thread for a Friday afternoon. I know some Councils have been asked about their plans for a zombie apocalypse via Freedom of Information. One Council was asked what it would do if Santa's sleigh crash-landed in their area.
I'm conscious how much I depend on electricity and its availability. Ignoring pandemics, zombies and nuclear war, my main worry would be a substantial electricity blackout lasting not just minutes but days. A midwinter failure of supply lasting a week was documented on C4 but just thinking about how reliant I am on that power forced me to do some stocking up as well but am I prepared ? Not really.
The thought of sitting for days in the dark and increasing cold nursing the last of the candles and the torches and the tinned food while Theresa May and Michael Fallon assure me everything is all right and I can hear the looters up East Ham High Street having another evening's "fun" - not pleasant.
The Sun is now shining so perhaps all is not yet lost even for the cricket.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798
When Fox Jr was younger we decided the best refuge was Hambleton Hall on Rutland water. It has a narrow necked defensible perimeter, and as well as the Michelin starred restaurant and wine celler, the access to freshwater, and trout in the lake. A dinghy as escape vessel would be easy too for moments of last resort.
The Isle of Wight has advantages too, not least that the Zombies there would be a lot slower with their zimmer frames...0 -
There are lots of non offshore islands; several in Windermere for starters.Essexit said:
As opposed to onshore islands? My understanding from Max Brooks' The Zombie Survival Guide is that as zombies don't need oxygen they could walk across the sea floor and eventually reach islands. That said they could equally between swept away or walk into the middle of the Atlantic, so an island would offer a degree of safety.Sean_F said:
The Isle of Wight acted as a refuge when England was overrun by triffids. Presumably, zombies, like triffids can't swim, so emergency planning should focus on relocating people to offshore islands.foxinsoxuk said:
Leicester council admitted being poorly prepared, feeling that some aspects of its general emergency plans would cover it:stodge said:Afternoon all
A jolly thread for a Friday afternoon. I know some Councils have been asked about their plans for a zombie apocalypse via Freedom of Information. One Council was asked what it would do if Santa's sleigh crash-landed in their area.
I'm conscious how much I depend on electricity and its availability. Ignoring pandemics, zombies and nuclear war, my main worry would be a substantial electricity blackout lasting not just minutes but days. A midwinter failure of supply lasting a week was documented on C4 but just thinking about how reliant I am on that power forced me to do some stocking up as well but am I prepared ? Not really.
The thought of sitting for days in the dark and increasing cold nursing the last of the candles and the torches and the tinned food while Theresa May and Michael Fallon assure me everything is all right and I can hear the looters up East Ham High Street having another evening's "fun" - not pleasant.
The Sun is now shining so perhaps all is not yet lost even for the cricket.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798
When Fox Jr was younger we decided the best refuge was Hambleton Hall on Rutland water. It has a narrow necked defensible perimeter, and as well as the Michelin starred restaurant and wine celler, the access to freshwater, and trout in the lake. A dinghy as escape vessel would be easy too for moments of last resort.
The Isle of Wight has advantages too, not least that the Zombies there would be a lot slower with their zimmer frames...
I think the triffids could and did spread seed, the point of the IoW was that you could eradicate what was there and then keep on top of further seedlings. And there is a real life triffid scenario: all the Japanese knotweed which is overrunning the country is from a single ancestral female and spreads only by bits of existing plants being moved and forming roots. If a male plant were to be introduced...0 -
Yes, but there is also the problem of navigation. Sight, sound or smell (I'm not entirely clear on zombie capabilities, as reports vary considerably) are of very little utility on the sea floor.Essexit said:
As opposed to onshore islands? My understanding from Max Brooks' The Zombie Survival Guide is that as zombies don't need oxygen they could walk across the sea floor and eventually reach islands. That said they could equally between swept away or walk into the middle of the Atlantic, so an island would offer a degree of safety.Sean_F said:
The Isle of Wight acted as a refuge when England was overrun by triffids. Presumably, zombies, like triffids can't swim, so emergency planning should focus on relocating people to offshore islands.foxinsoxuk said:
Leicester council admitted being poorly prepared, feeling that some aspects of its general emergency plans would cover it:stodge said:Afternoon all
A jolly thread for a Friday afternoon. I know some Councils have been asked about their plans for a zombie apocalypse via Freedom of Information. One Council was asked what it would do if Santa's sleigh crash-landed in their area.
I'm conscious how much I depend on electricity and its availability. Ignoring pandemics, zombies and nuclear war, my main worry would be a substantial electricity blackout lasting not just minutes but days. A midwinter failure of supply lasting a week was documented on C4 but just thinking about how reliant I am on that power forced me to do some stocking up as well but am I prepared ? Not really.
The thought of sitting for days in the dark and increasing cold nursing the last of the candles and the torches and the tinned food while Theresa May and Michael Fallon assure me everything is all right and I can hear the looters up East Ham High Street having another evening's "fun" - not pleasant.
The Sun is now shining so perhaps all is not yet lost even for the cricket.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798
When Fox Jr was younger we decided the best refuge was Hambleton Hall on Rutland water. It has a narrow necked defensible perimeter, and as well as the Michelin starred restaurant and wine celler, the access to freshwater, and trout in the lake. A dinghy as escape vessel would be easy too for moments of last resort.
The Isle of Wight has advantages too, not least that the Zombies there would be a lot slower with their zimmer frames...
Of course if they are slightly lighter than water (again, this isn't entirely clear), the odd animated corpse is likely to wash up on the shore...
(edit - and I'm uncertain as to whether Mr Brooks' work was properly peer reviewed, let alone independently replicated.)0 -
In the fourth Romero film (Land of the Dead) the zombies regain a semblance of cognition and realise that they can walk through the water to the city:Essexit said:
As opposed to onshore islands? My understanding from Max Brooks' The Zombie Survival Guide is that as zombies don't need oxygen they could walk across the sea floor and eventually reach islands. That said they could equally between swept away or walk into the middle of the Atlantic, so an island would offer a degree of safety.Sean_F said:
The Isle of Wight acted as a refuge when England was overrun by triffids. Presumably, zombies, like triffids can't swim, so emergency planning should focus on relocating people to offshore islands.foxinsoxuk said:
Leicester council admitted being poorly prepared, feeling that some aspects of its general emergency plans would cover it:stodge said:Afternoon all
A jolly thread for a Friday afternoon. I know some Councils have been asked about their plans for a zombie apocalypse via Freedom of Information. One Council was asked what it would do if Santa's sleigh crash-landed in their area.
I'm conscious how much I depend on electricity and its availability. Ignoring pandemics, zombies and nuclear war, my main worry would be a substantial electricity blackout lasting not just minutes but days. A midwinter failure of supply lasting a week was documented on C4 but just thinking about how reliant I am on that power forced me to do some stocking up as well but am I prepared ? Not really.
The thought of sitting for days in the dark and increasing cold nursing the last of the candles and the torches and the tinned food while Theresa May and Michael Fallon assure me everything is all right and I can hear the looters up East Ham High Street having another evening's "fun" - not pleasant.
The Sun is now shining so perhaps all is not yet lost even for the cricket.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798
When Fox Jr was younger we decided the best refuge was Hambleton Hall on Rutland water. It has a narrow necked defensible perimeter, and as well as the Michelin starred restaurant and wine celler, the access to freshwater, and trout in the lake. A dinghy as escape vessel would be easy too for moments of last resort.
The Isle of Wight has advantages too, not least that the Zombies there would be a lot slower with their zimmer frames...
http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Land_of_the_Dead
However, I reckon both Rutland Water and the Solent are sufficiently silty to make slow progress. The giant pike in Rutland Water may act as an additional defence.
I reckon that zombie flesh would deteriorate fairly quickly, and after the initial epidemic, the zombies would rot to incapacity within weeks. There is the problem however of their recruits...
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True, the numbers washing up would be small. The issue with evacuating people to be crammed onto islands is making sure none of them have been bitten. Then we'd really be in trouble.Nigelb said:
Yes, but there is also the problem of navigation. Sight, sound or smell (I'm not entirely clear on zombie capabilities, as reports vary considerably) are of very little utility on the sea floor.Essexit said:
As opposed to onshore islands? My understanding from Max Brooks' The Zombie Survival Guide is that as zombies don't need oxygen they could walk across the sea floor and eventually reach islands. That said they could equally between swept away or walk into the middle of the Atlantic, so an island would offer a degree of safety.Sean_F said:
The Isle of Wight acted as a refuge when England was overrun by triffids. Presumably, zombies, like triffids can't swim, so emergency planning should focus on relocating people to offshore islands.foxinsoxuk said:
Leicester council admitted being poorly prepared, feeling that some aspects of its general emergency plans would cover it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798
When Fox Jr was younger we decided the best refuge was Hambleton Hall on Rutland water. It has a narrow necked defensible perimeter, and as well as the Michelin starred restaurant and wine celler, the access to freshwater, and trout in the lake. A dinghy as escape vessel would be easy too for moments of last resort.
The Isle of Wight has advantages too, not least that the Zombies there would be a lot slower with their zimmer frames...
Of course if they are slightly lighter than water (again, this isn't entirely clear), the odd animated corpse is likely to wash up on the shore...0 -
Yeh, the problem with inland islands is the lack of an escape route if the zombies make it to them.Ishmael_Z said:
There are lots of non offshore islands; several in Windermere for starters.Essexit said:
As opposed to onshore islands? My understanding from Max Brooks' The Zombie Survival Guide is that as zombies don't need oxygen they could walk across the sea floor and eventually reach islands. That said they could equally between swept away or walk into the middle of the Atlantic, so an island would offer a degree of safety.Sean_F said:
The Isle of Wight acted as a refuge when England was overrun by triffids. Presumably, zombies, like triffids can't swim, so emergency planning should focus on relocating people to offshore islands.foxinsoxuk said:
Leicester council admitted being poorly prepared, feeling that some aspects of its general emergency plans would cover it:stodge said:Afternoon all
A jolly thread for a Friday afternoon. I know some Councils have been asked about their plans for a zombie apocalypse via Freedom of Information. One Council was asked what it would do if Santa's
The thought of sitting for days in the dark and increasing cold nursing the last of the candles and the torches and the tinned food while Theresa May and Michael Fallon assure me everything is all right and I can hear the looters up East Ham High Street having another evening's "fun" - not pleasant.
The Sun is now shining so perhaps all is not yet lost even for the cricket.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798
When Fox Jr was younger we decided the best refuge was Hambleton Hall on Rutland water. It has a narrow necked defensible perimeter, and as well as the Michelin starred restaurant and wine celler, the access to freshwater, and trout in the lake. A dinghy as escape vessel would be easy too for moments of last resort.
The Isle of Wight has advantages too, not least that the Zombies there would be a lot slower with their zimmer frames...
I think the triffids could and did spread seed, the point of the IoW was that you could eradicate what was there and then keep on top of further seedlings. And there is a real life triffid scenario: all the Japanese knotweed which is overrunning the country is from a single ancestral female and spreads only by bits of existing plants being moved and forming roots. If a male plant were to be introduced...
We'd have to accept that 95% of the population would be dead within months, and choose in advance who should be relocated to the Isle of Wight, Man, Channel Islands etc.0 -
I'm not sure Mr Romero is the most reliable of sources. If you look closely at his work, it's possible to suspect that some of his evidence was faked...foxinsoxuk said:
In the fourth Romero film (Land of the Dead) the zombies regain a semblance of cognition and realise that they can walk through the water to the city:Essexit said:
As opposed to onshore islands? My understanding from Max Brooks' The Zombie Survival Guide is that as zombies don't need oxygen they could walk across the sea floor and eventually reach islands. That said they could equally between swept away or walk into the middle of the Atlantic, so an island would offer a degree of safety.Sean_F said:
The Isle of Wight acted as a refuge when England was overrun by triffids. Presumably, zombies, like triffids can't swim, so emergency planning should focus on relocating people to offshore islands.foxinsoxuk said:
Leicester council admitted being poorly prepared, feeling that some aspects of its general emergency plans would cover it:stodge said:Afternoon all
A jolly thread for a Friday afternoon. I know some Councils have been asked about their plans for a zombie apocalypse via Freedom of Information. One Council was asked what it would do if Santa's sleigh crash-landed in their area.
I'm conscious how much I depend on electricity and its availability. Ignoring pandemics, zombies and nuclear war, my main worry would be a substantial electricity blackout lasting not just minutes but days. A midwinter failure of supply lasting a week was documented on C4 but just thinking about how reliant I am on that power forced me to do some stocking up as well but am I prepared ? Not really.
The thought of sitting for days in the dark and increasing cold nursing the last of the candles and the torches and the tinned food while Theresa May and Michael Fallon assure me everything is all right and I can hear the looters up East Ham High Street having another evening's "fun" - not pleasant.
The Sun is now shining so perhaps all is not yet lost even for the cricket.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-13713798
When Fox Jr was younger we decided the best refuge was Hambleton Hall on Rutland water. ..
The Isle of Wight has advantages too, not least that the Zombies there would be a lot slower with their zimmer frames...
http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Land_of_the_Dead
However, I reckon both Rutland Water and the Solent are sufficiently silty to make slow progress. The giant pike in Rutland Water may act as an additional defence.
I reckon that zombie flesh would deteriorate fairly quickly, and after the initial epidemic, the zombies would rot to incapacity within weeks. There is the problem however of their recruits...
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Sadly, stuff to do, so I'll have to leave this online zombie symposium for now.0
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The PB Remainers infected with "Rage Virus"TheScreamingEagles said:
I made a conscious decision that during this stint as editor of PB I would try and do as few threads on Brexit and Mrs May being crap as possible.DavidL said:
Your restraint is gratefully noted.TheScreamingEagles said:
I deliberately chose not to make any Brexit = The Zombie Apocalypse analogies.DavidL said:
That's exactly what I feared.TwistedFireStopper said:
Zombie=Brexiteer.DavidL said:Please tell me this is not another Brexit thread.
TSE probably has polling that proves Leavers believe in a Zombie apocalypse, and that The Walking Dead is a documentary.
I wish Broady was showing similar restraint.
Plus I've always wanted to a thread on the Zombie apocalypse.
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So do we have any practical suggestions for how we defend ourselves against May and her administration.0
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Note: the subject Jonathan appears to be infected with Rage Virus!Jonathan said:So do we have any practical suggestions for how we defend ourselves against May and her administration.
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Where are you posting from? Raccoon City?williamglenn said:
Sorry, back to zombies everyone.TwistedFireStopper said:
You had to go and spoil the fun.williamglenn said:
That's more thought through than the Brexit plan.Essexit said:1) Fill all available receptacles with clean water while it's still running
2) Gather all available food, toiletries, misc. supplies
3) Locate suitable weapons (spades, knives, cricket bats)
4) Move items from 1-3 upstairs
5) Destroy staircase
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Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...0
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Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
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Zombies will need legal advice. I'll be fine.0
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Yes, but can they pay the fees ???AlastairMeeks said:Zombies will need legal advice. I'll be fine.
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Hmm, do you happen to know what Powell's views were on democracy and the republic?Sunil_Prasannan said:For all PB Star Wars fans:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41174659
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I'm sure we can come to an arrangement. The tax treatment of such an arrangement can be discussed with those members of HMRC who have both not become zombies and who could show a difference from a zombie state. I expect that tax won't be an issue.Nigelb said:0 -
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
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Isn't Brexit the Zombie apocalypse?0
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They'd have difficulty giving instructions, I'd have thought.AlastairMeeks said:Zombies will need legal advice. I'll be fine.
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I think you might be falling for that whole Romero zombie cognition line....AlastairMeeks said:
I'm sure we can come to an arrangement. The tax treatment of such an arrangement can be discussed with those members of HMRC who have both not become zombies and who could show a difference from a zombie state. I expect that tax won't be an issue.Nigelb said:
And you expect way too much from HMRC...0 -
A friend of ours is pregnant, and her three-year old son has taken to calling the unborn child 'carpet'. No-one knows why.OchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
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+1JosiasJessop said:
A friend of ours is pregnant, and her three-year old son has taken to calling the unborn child 'carpet'. No-one knows why.OchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
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Oh yes, I get it nowOchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
(Pretends not to have just Googled it)
I still think the original Forth Rail Bridge is easily the best of the three, though Kevin is quite a nice structure in his own right.0 -
Can I just say that anyone who survived the tourists at the Edinburgh festival really has nothing to worry about from a zombie apocalypse.0
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Wolverhampton is to be reorganised into the First Galactic Empire?RobD said:
Hmm, do you happen to know what Powell's views were on democracy and the republic?Sunil_Prasannan said:For all PB Star Wars fans:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-411746590 -
Kevin is proving incredibly inefficient for reasons that are far from clear. Tonight the queue to get on this apparently open dual carriageway was an hour long. Once I got over it heading north the queue south was more than 6 miles long.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Oh yes, I get it nowOchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
(Pretends not to have just Googled it)
I still think the original Forth Rail Bridge is easily the best of the three, though Kevin is quite a nice structure in his own right.
I am finding the argument that this still has something to do with tourists, even of the zombie persuasion, increasingly hard to credit.0 -
If Theresa May became an actual real zombie how would be know?0
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Living on dartmoor I am surprisingly little inconvenienced by tourism. However, i have a lot of sympathy for the indigenes of Venice, Barcelona, Split and - apparently - Edinburgh wanting to kill and eat out of towners.DavidL said:Can I just say that anyone who survived the tourists at the Edinburgh festival really has nothing to worry about from a zombie apocalypse.
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Presumably because it's the underlay of a good shag.JosiasJessop said:
A friend of ours is pregnant, and her three-year old son has taken to calling the unborn child 'carpet'. No-one knows why.OchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
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As a resident in Shoreditch, I'm not sure that I don't already live in a zombie apocalypse. Most weekends the undead walk among us.DavidL said:Can I just say that anyone who survived the tourists at the Edinburgh festival really has nothing to worry about from a zombie apocalypse.
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Your coat, sir.AlastairMeeks said:
Presumably because it's the underlay of a good shag.JosiasJessop said:
A friend of ours is pregnant, and her three-year old son has taken to calling the unborn child 'carpet'. No-one knows why.OchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
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Probably because they have shut down the suspension bridge for refurb as soon as the new bridge opened? That's what the voiceover on the boat trip said anyway!DavidL said:
Kevin is proving incredibly inefficient for reasons that are far from clear. Tonight the queue to get on this apparently open dual carriageway was an hour long. Once I got over it heading north the queue south was more than 6 miles long.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Oh yes, I get it nowOchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
(Pretends not to have just Googled it)
I still think the original Forth Rail Bridge is easily the best of the three, though Kevin is quite a nice structure in his own right.
I am finding the argument that this still has something to do with tourists, even of the zombie persuasion, increasingly hard to credit.0 -
I'll tell them that!AlastairMeeks said:
Presumably because it's the underlay of a good shag.JosiasJessop said:
A friend of ours is pregnant, and her three-year old son has taken to calling the unborn child 'carpet'. No-one knows why.OchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
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Off-topic:
Back in February, there was some discussion of the Oroville dam slipway failure in the US. Fortunately they escaped the worst, but they're posting regular videos of the repair work. And jeez, it's engineering porn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTvp0QLHfOw
You only get a scale of a sense of the washout when you see the people and machines working on fixing it.0 -
Well played.AlastairMeeks said:
Presumably because it's the underlay of a good shag.JosiasJessop said:
A friend of ours is pregnant, and her three-year old son has taken to calling the unborn child 'carpet'. No-one knows why.OchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
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Not quite on that scale, but this is big news in our neck of the woods.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
Back in February, there was some discussion of the Oroville dam slipway failure in the US. Fortunately they escaped the worst, but they're posting regular videos of the repair work. And jeez, it's engineering porn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTvp0QLHfOw
You only get a scale of a sense of the washout when you see the people and machines working on fixing it.
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Yes and they are not planning to open it up to the hoi poloi again but why is it so much worse than the old bridge was ( that also had 2 lanes each way).Sunil_Prasannan said:
Probably because they have shut down the suspension bridge for refurb as soon as the new bridge opened? That's what the voiceover on the boat trip said anyway!DavidL said:
Kevin is proving incredibly inefficient for reasons that are far from clear. Tonight the queue to get on this apparently open dual carriageway was an hour long. Once I got over it heading north the queue south was more than 6 miles long.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Oh yes, I get it nowOchEye said:
You went on a trip under the 3 Forth Bridges? There was a competition to name the latest one, of which Bridgie McBridgeface, was not accepted for some reason. However, the local South Queensferry school put forward another name, which for some reason has become popular in taking the mickey out of Sturgeon and her 150 years of the Queensferry Crossing. So you have the red topped Mr. Bridge, his younger wife Mrs. Bridge and their son, Kevin!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sorry - which Kevin? (I missed your question!)OchEye said:Sorry Sunil_Prasannan, I missed your reply on my question on what you thought about Kevin...
(Pretends not to have just Googled it)
I still think the original Forth Rail Bridge is easily the best of the three, though Kevin is quite a nice structure in his own right.
I am finding the argument that this still has something to do with tourists, even of the zombie persuasion, increasingly hard to credit.0 -
What kind of parallel dimension have I just entered? You aren't on a train!Sunil_Prasannan said:
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Warning: this could be the zombie apocalypse.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/9062299569754931200 -
Hmm. Might as well have that extra bottle of wine then. There is no point in worrying about alcohol advisory levels now.williamglenn said:Warning: this could be the zombie apocalypse.
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I took the train from Glasgow to Edinburgh that day! Then the new 43 bus to Queensferry. The previous day visited both North Queensferry and Dalmeny stations by train, but it seemed like a massive climb from the river bank back to rail level, so chickened outRobD said: 0 -
I am with the 11% who refuse to divulge their plans.
It is a well known FACT Zombies can read.
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And it gets worse....DavidL said:
Hmm. Might as well have that extra bottle of wine then. There is no point in worrying about alcohol advisory levels now.williamglenn said:Warning: this could be the zombie apocalypse.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/906229956975493120
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/sep/08/building-work-delays-london-opening-of-us-smash-musical-hamilton
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Oh yeah that's the final straw.Nigelb said:
And it gets worse....DavidL said:
Hmm. Might as well have that extra bottle of wine then. There is no point in worrying about alcohol advisory levels now.williamglenn said:Warning: this could be the zombie apocalypse.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/906229956975493120
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/sep/08/building-work-delays-london-opening-of-us-smash-musical-hamilton0 -
This is surprising. I would have thought that something close to 52 percent would lack a zombie plan. But I'm only about 48 percent sure of that.0
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You mean the Forth bridge...Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Philistine.DavidL said:
Oh yeah that's the final straw.Nigelb said:
And it gets worse....DavidL said:
Hmm. Might as well have that extra bottle of wine then. There is no point in worrying about alcohol advisory levels now.williamglenn said:Warning: this could be the zombie apocalypse.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/906229956975493120
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/sep/08/building-work-delays-london-opening-of-us-smash-musical-hamilton
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I thought you were in the Philippines for some reason?!Ishmael_Z said:
Living on dartmoor I am surprisingly little inconvenienced by tourism. However, i have a lot of sympathy for the indigenes of Venice, Barcelona, Split and - apparently - Edinburgh wanting to kill and eat out of towners.DavidL said:Can I just say that anyone who survived the tourists at the Edinburgh festival really has nothing to worry about from a zombie apocalypse.
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Aren't HM and HRH cousins? Just sayin'....Sunil_Prasannan said: 0 -
Zombies - just tell Mr Meeks that they voted for Brexit, but we ought to plan for his downtime too.
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Not me, never been east of, I should think, Delhi. But I may have put out some disinformation to put the zombies off the scent.Charles said:
I thought you were in the Philippines for some reason?!Ishmael_Z said:
Living on dartmoor I am surprisingly little inconvenienced by tourism. However, i have a lot of sympathy for the indigenes of Venice, Barcelona, Split and - apparently - Edinburgh wanting to kill and eat out of towners.DavidL said:Can I just say that anyone who survived the tourists at the Edinburgh festival really has nothing to worry about from a zombie apocalypse.
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Thought you might appreciate the joke, think you would probably appreciate this, 24 minutes in about the other Forth Roadbridge, the Kincardine : http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b093sldgSunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Third cousins through Queen Victoria (and also second cousins once removed through Christian IX of Denmark).RobD said:
The problem with the Pakistani first cousin marriages is that they're repeated generation after generation, with the result that the genetics get so close that they become more like siblings than cousins.
(This problem was evident in European royalty as well; the Habsburgs providing some good examples of why it's a bad idea).0 -
I hadn't read this before. It's excellent;
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n16/john-lanchester/you-are-the-product0 -
Has anyone seen this - and if so, is it any good? Hamilton's life makes for an amazing story though how well it can be translated to the stage (never mind as a musical) is something I have doubts about.Nigelb said:
And it gets worse....DavidL said:
Hmm. Might as well have that extra bottle of wine then. There is no point in worrying about alcohol advisory levels now.williamglenn said:Warning: this could be the zombie apocalypse.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/906229956975493120
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/sep/08/building-work-delays-london-opening-of-us-smash-musical-hamilton0 -
Yebbut eleven more false alarms and you're stuffed.DavidL said:Hmm. Might as well have that extra bottle of wine then. There is no point in worrying about alcohol advisory levels now.
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I have tickets for early next year.david_herdson said:
Has anyone seen this - and if so, is it any good? Hamilton's life makes for an amazing story though how well it can be translated to the stage (never mind as a musical) is something I have doubts about.Nigelb said:
And it gets worse....DavidL said:
Hmm. Might as well have that extra bottle of wine then. There is no point in worrying about alcohol advisory levels now.williamglenn said:Warning: this could be the zombie apocalypse.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/906229956975493120
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/sep/08/building-work-delays-london-opening-of-us-smash-musical-hamilton
It is a work of genius - and that's just listening to the CD...
... though you have to get by the whole rap thing.
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Won't they get it by direct imbibement, though?AlastairMeeks said:Zombies will need legal advice. I'll be fine.
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Incest caused the Spanish Hapsburgs to die out. Charles II was sterile and barely feed himself.david_herdson said:
Third cousins through Queen Victoria (and also second cousins once removed through Christian IX of Denmark).RobD said:
The problem with the Pakistani first cousin marriages is that they're repeated generation after generation, with the result that the genetics get so close that they become more like siblings than cousins.
(This problem was evident in European royalty as well; the Habsburgs providing some good examples of why it's a bad idea).
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Howard Jacobson in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit.html
And here, we return to the initiating absurdity. For the will of the people is not sacrosanct. Democracy is not a god; it is a servant. Not a servant to be treated with contempt, but where it persists in an error that can be shown to be detrimental to those it exists to serve, a servant that can and should be asked to think again.
We are sick with fear and fastened to a dying animal. The dying animal is not the European Union. It is this misbegotten “will of the people.”0 -
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It is. As is Chaos Monkeys, one of the reviewed texts.Pong said:I hadn't read this before. It's excellent;
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n16/john-lanchester/you-are-the-product0 -
Really?Pong said:I hadn't read this before. It's excellent;
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n16/john-lanchester/you-are-the-product
"Plenty of companies, indeed entire industries, base their business model on being evil. The insurance business, for instance, depends on the fact that insurers charge customers more than their insurance is worth; that’s fair enough, since if they didn’t do that they wouldn’t be viable as businesses.“
Surely not even Corbyn believes that it is inherently evil for a business to be designed to make a profit?
On the broader point it is frightening how much the internet knows about one. I contemplate from time to time seriously anonymising my browsing, but I don't, not just because I am lazy but also because I worry that if you do it thoroughly enough to be worthwhile, you create a presumption that you have something seriously dodgy to hide.0 -
I'm truly shocked.. the people that lost think it is an error.williamglenn said:Howard Jacobson in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit.html
And here, we return to the initiating absurdity. For the will of the people is not sacrosanct. Democracy is not a god; it is a servant. Not a servant to be treated with contempt, but where it persists in an error that can be shown to be detrimental to those it exists to serve, a servant that can and should be asked to think again.
We are sick with fear and fastened to a dying animal. The dying animal is not the European Union. It is this misbegotten “will of the people.”0 -
Prediction, this will be a non story. The embargoed stories always are.williamglenn said:Warning: this could be the zombie apocalypse.
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I guess some still haven't moved past the denial stage.RobD said:
I'm truly shocked.. the people that lost think it is an error.williamglenn said:Howard Jacobson in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit.html
And here, we return to the initiating absurdity. For the will of the people is not sacrosanct. Democracy is not a god; it is a servant. Not a servant to be treated with contempt, but where it persists in an error that can be shown to be detrimental to those it exists to serve, a servant that can and should be asked to think again.
We are sick with fear and fastened to a dying animal. The dying animal is not the European Union. It is this misbegotten “will of the people.”0 -
If it wasn't a non-story it would have leaked by now.Mortimer said:
Prediction, this will be a non story. The embargoed stories always are.williamglenn said:Warning: this could be the zombie apocalypse.
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If even Varoufakis can spot that it is not going well...williamglenn said:0 -
No doubt Mr. Jacobson believes in One Man, One Vote. He's the man, and he has the vote.williamglenn said:Howard Jacobson in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit.html
And here, we return to the initiating absurdity. For the will of the people is not sacrosanct. Democracy is not a god; it is a servant. Not a servant to be treated with contempt, but where it persists in an error that can be shown to be detrimental to those it exists to serve, a servant that can and should be asked to think again.
We are sick with fear and fastened to a dying animal. The dying animal is not the European Union. It is this misbegotten “will of the people.”0 -
Am told the FT embargoed story is Mrs May will announce in a speech* sometime this month she wants a no-cliff edge Brexit transition deal.
But she will also promise at the Tory conference a clean Brexit.
*This speech will be made in Europe, around the 22nd.0 -
Damn. I thought they had got hold of a copy of your AV thread.TheScreamingEagles said:Am told the FT embargoed story is Mrs May will announce in a speech* sometime this month she wants a no-cliff edge Brexit transition deal.
But she will also promise at the Tory conference a clean Brexit.
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I think you need to actually read the article - that's really not what he's saying at all, whether or not you agree with his perspective.Sean_F said:
No doubt Mr. Jacobson believes in One Man, One Vote. He's the man, and he has the vote.williamglenn said:Howard Jacobson in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit.html
And here, we return to the initiating absurdity. For the will of the people is not sacrosanct. Democracy is not a god; it is a servant. Not a servant to be treated with contempt, but where it persists in an error that can be shown to be detrimental to those it exists to serve, a servant that can and should be asked to think again.
We are sick with fear and fastened to a dying animal. The dying animal is not the European Union. It is this misbegotten “will of the people.”
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Not an address to the European Parliament, though ?TheScreamingEagles said:Am told the FT embargoed story is Mrs May will announce in a speech* sometime this month she wants a no-cliff edge Brexit transition deal.
But she will also promise at the Tory conference a clean Brexit.
*This speech will be made in Europe, around the 22nd.
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Also hearing that Lord Harris says Mrs May is hopeless and weak and he'd rather have a strong Labour government led by someone like Tony Blair instead of Mrs May.
Let that sink, in Lord Harris the Brexit supporting former Deputy Treasurer of the Tory party would rather have Tony Blair as PM than Mrs May's muppet show.0 -
Nah, she's too chickenshit for that.Nigelb said:
Not an address to the European Parliament, though ?TheScreamingEagles said:Am told the FT embargoed story is Mrs May will announce in a speech* sometime this month she wants a no-cliff edge Brexit transition deal.
But she will also promise at the Tory conference a clean Brexit.
*This speech will be made in Europe, around the 22nd.0 -
Louis XVI of France?williamglenn said:0 -
Ok, The FT story might be about Sky.
Edit - Or The Express/Daily Mirror deal.0 -
Who the fuck is "Lord" Harris?TheScreamingEagles said:Also hearing that Lord Harris says Mrs May is hopeless and weak and he'd rather have a strong Labour government led by someone like Tony Blair instead of Mrs May.
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Varoufakis has always urged the UK to go straight to EEA ever since the referendum and try and reform the EU in 5-10 years, he also has no time for the EU leadership and their tactics as he did not when Greek Finance Ministerfoxinsoxuk said:
If even Varoufakis can spot that it is not going well...williamglenn said:0 -
Harris was one of the first businessmen to be involved in Blair's academies programme so not that surprising, he is certainly more supportive of Blair than Corbyn. Of course the first Blair government from 1997-2001 was on most things more conservative than the Major, Cameron and May governments, it was no surprise Thatcher said 'Tony will not let us down' before the 1997 general electionTheScreamingEagles said:Also hearing that Lord Harris says Mrs May is hopeless and weak and he'd rather have a strong Labour government led by someone like Tony Blair instead of Mrs May.
Let that sink, in Lord Harris the Brexit supporting former Deputy Treasurer of the Tory party would rather have Tony Blair as PM than Mrs May's muppet show.0 -
I did read the article.Nigelb said:
I think you need to actually read the article - that's really not what he's saying at all, whether or not you agree with his perspective.Sean_F said:
No doubt Mr. Jacobson believes in One Man, One Vote. He's the man, and he has the vote.williamglenn said:Howard Jacobson in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit.html
And here, we return to the initiating absurdity. For the will of the people is not sacrosanct. Democracy is not a god; it is a servant. Not a servant to be treated with contempt, but where it persists in an error that can be shown to be detrimental to those it exists to serve, a servant that can and should be asked to think again.
We are sick with fear and fastened to a dying animal. The dying animal is not the European Union. It is this misbegotten “will of the people.”0 -
No idea.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Who the fuck is "Lord" Harris?TheScreamingEagles said:Also hearing that Lord Harris says Mrs May is hopeless and weak and he'd rather have a strong Labour government led by someone like Tony Blair instead of Mrs May.
Let that sink, in Lord Harris the Brexit supporting former Deputy Treasurer of the Tory party would rather have Tony Blair as PM than Mrs May's muppet show.0 -
Good.Sean_F said:
I did read the article.Nigelb said:
I think you need to actually read the article - that's really not what he's saying at all, whether or not you agree with his perspective.Sean_F said:
No doubt Mr. Jacobson believes in One Man, One Vote. He's the man, and he has the vote.williamglenn said:Howard Jacobson in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit.html
And here, we return to the initiating absurdity. For the will of the people is not sacrosanct. Democracy is not a god; it is a servant. Not a servant to be treated with contempt, but where it persists in an error that can be shown to be detrimental to those it exists to serve, a servant that can and should be asked to think again.
We are sick with fear and fastened to a dying animal. The dying animal is not the European Union. It is this misbegotten “will of the people.”
As you'll no doubt appreciate then, it's an argument for another vote on Brexit.
You might not agree with the case (I'm not sure I do either), but it's a respectable one, and hardly his thinking "he's the man, and he has the vote", as you characterise it.
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I was being sarcastic, but I do get irritated at the idea that we must vote again until we come up with the "right" answer (as he would see it).Nigelb said:
Good.Sean_F said:
I did read the article.Nigelb said:
I think you need to actually read the article - that's really not what he's saying at all, whether or not you agree with his perspective.Sean_F said:
No doubt Mr. Jacobson believes in One Man, One Vote. He's the man, and he has the vote.williamglenn said:Howard Jacobson in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit.html
And here, we return to the initiating absurdity. For the will of the people is not sacrosanct. Democracy is not a god; it is a servant. Not a servant to be treated with contempt, but where it persists in an error that can be shown to be detrimental to those it exists to serve, a servant that can and should be asked to think again.
We are sick with fear and fastened to a dying animal. The dying animal is not the European Union. It is this misbegotten “will of the people.”
As you'll no doubt appreciate then, it's an argument for another vote on Brexit.
You might not agree with the case (I'm not sure I do either), but it's a respectable one, and hardly his thinking "he's the man, and he has the vote", as you characterise it.0 -
On my last visit to Cornwall, I saw not one 'No emmets' sticker on a car bumper. Is that because there are no locals left?Charles said:
I thought you were in the Philippines for some reason?!Ishmael_Z said:
Living on dartmoor I am surprisingly little inconvenienced by tourism. However, i have a lot of sympathy for the indigenes of Venice, Barcelona, Split and - apparently - Edinburgh wanting to kill and eat out of towners.DavidL said:Can I just say that anyone who survived the tourists at the Edinburgh festival really has nothing to worry about from a zombie apocalypse.
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lolIshmael_Z said:
Really?Pong said:I hadn't read this before. It's excellent;
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n16/john-lanchester/you-are-the-product
"Plenty of companies, indeed entire industries, base their business model on being evil. The insurance business, for instance, depends on the fact that insurers charge customers more than their insurance is worth; that’s fair enough, since if they didn’t do that they wouldn’t be viable as businesses.“
Surely not even Corbyn believes that it is inherently evil for a business to be designed to make a profit?
On the broader point it is frightening how much the internet knows about one. I contemplate from time to time seriously anonymising my browsing, but I don't, not just because I am lazy but also because I worry that if you do it thoroughly enough to be worthwhile, you create a presumption that you have something seriously dodgy to hide.
Yeah, I disagree with the characterization of the entire insurance industry as "evil." He's right in that basically all insurance is -EV (ie, statistically it's a rip off) but that doesn't make it evil.
There are shades of evil, depending on how -EV it is.
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That is for the people to decide, at the last general election the LDs were resoundingly defeated after pushing for a second voteNigelb said:
Good.Sean_F said:
I did read the article.Nigelb said:
I think you need to actually read the article - that's really not what he's saying at all, whether or not you agree with his perspective.Sean_F said:
No doubt Mr. Jacobson believes in One Man, One Vote. He's the man, and he has the vote.williamglenn said:Howard Jacobson in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-brexit.html
And here, we return to the initiating absurdity. For the will of the people is not sacrosanct. Democracy is not a god; it is a servant. Not a servant to be treated with contempt, but where it persists in an error that can be shown to be detrimental to those it exists to serve, a servant that can and should be asked to think again.
We are sick with fear and fastened to a dying animal. The dying animal is not the European Union. It is this misbegotten “will of the people.”
As you'll no doubt appreciate then, it's an argument for another vote on Brexit.
You might not agree with the case (I'm not sure I do either), but it's a respectable one, and hardly his thinking "he's the man, and he has the vote", as you characterise it.0 -
Are we still waiting on the FT mega story?0
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