FF43 said:

williamglenn said:

FF43 said:

We agree. Brexit will lead to a much worse arrangement with the EU, which is by far our most important partner, and somewhat worse arrangements with everyone else. We are where we are and have to limit the damage. We can only do that if we face up to the fact that there is damage to be limited.

While this kind of damage limitation makes sense in the short term, in the long term it risks fuelling the same cycle of dysfunctional politics that got us here in the first place, possibly with even more self-destructive results. Therefore a 'mediocre' Brexit, whilst it might seem like making the best of a bad job, would actually be very dangerous and should be avoided.

Somehow we need events to intervene in a way that makes it impossible for any of the leading Brexiteer protagonists to continue to pretend that there are any sunlit uplands in the terra incognita outside the EU.

On that we disagree. I don't see us going back into the EU in any timeframe. Therefore mediocre is better than failure. I voted Remain, but I don't want failure. One of several things that concerns me is that Leavers aren't worried about failure to the extent of owning the project and taking steps and making the necessary compromises to avoid it.

A lot depends on how you define failure and whether political failure can be quarantined so that it doesn't damage real people's lives. In a sense this is exactly what you're describing as your Brexit implementation goal.

Would it be a failure if we don't start full trade talks after the German elections? Probably. Should we roll over on the three issues the EU wants to focus on to get to that point? I don't think so. So how will the people who've always based their strategy on German carmakers react to that situation?

There will be a lot of twists and turns before we get to a point of no return and it would be almost incredible if political opinion doesn't shift decisively before we get there as we continue to be confronted with new realities.

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

Scott_P said:

@elgordo1: Momentum bully bares his teeth. Labour members this is our future: https://twitter.com/muqadaam/status/902459496047489024

Good to see the former MP for Slough has not decided to pull punches or utter platitudes in her old age:
https://mobile.twitter.com/fionamac2017/status/902669030946942978

I thought you'd be more troubled by the misuse of the apostrophe ...

.. and as for the spelling of apologise.

He missed an apostrophe out as well, which I am sure you noticed.

I have more sympathy with words wrongly used after buying a smart phone as my autocorrect seems to have a positive fetish for changing what I type.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/frankunderwocd/status/902885696758841344

Now THAT'S a good cartoon...

https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/902888961479081989

Richard_Nabavi said:

No, that doesn't look like the work of a hacker.

@euanmccolm: remembering that time my ex-wife spotted my car outside christine's house and i explained i'd been hacked.

@euanmccolm: got caught leaving waitrose with my pockets full of chorizo. fucking hackers, eh?

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/petermannionmp/status/902799739460182017

The back four was solid, the midfield plodding and uninspring, and the recent attack is toothless....

but the fans will follow anyone who promises them success!

rottenborough said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Yer actual betting. Interesting to see all things to all men Anas at the top.

https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/902834936381665281

Edit: Fwiw Findlay has just announced he won't be standing.

What a poor state SLAB has become. I have literally never heard of a single candidate in this list, except vague feeling Findlay rings a bell. And I'm a bit of a political anorak.

you were just missing the"end" after bell there.