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The cabinet continue to sing with one voice I see!foxinsoxuk said:
Lord, give us Brexit, but not yet...williamglenn said:0 -
Much like the shadow cabinet.Benpointer said:
The cabinet continue to sing with one voice I see!foxinsoxuk said:
Lord, give us Brexit, but not yet...williamglenn said:
Never known such an unpredictable time in British politics.0 -
It would also have resulted in tit-for-tat responses. If British firms were disadvantaged selling into the US by the BAT, then there would have been enormous political pressure to do the same for American goods entering the UK.Mortimer said:
Indeed.rcs1000 said:The Border Adjustment Tax is dead.
(Which is probably good news for the world.)
It struck me as one of those proposals that would never quite happen. Too complicated, too many vested interests against etc.
While there are good economic reasons for the BAT, the inevitable consequence would have been a trade war. And that would have made everyone poorer.0 -
They are unified on kicking the can, so they don't need to decide about the rest. Just needs the EU to go along with it. They said previously they wouldn't agree.Benpointer said:
The cabinet continue to sing with one voice I see!foxinsoxuk said:
Lord, give us Brexit, but not yet...williamglenn said:0 -
Did I read somewhere that it's introduction was a pre-requisite for lowering the US corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%? Or am I imagining that?rcs1000 said:
It would also have resulted in tit-for-tat responses. If British firms were disadvantaged selling into the US by the BAT, then there would have been enormous political pressure to do the same for American goods entering the UK.Mortimer said:
Indeed.rcs1000 said:The Border Adjustment Tax is dead.
(Which is probably good news for the world.)
It struck me as one of those proposals that would never quite happen. Too complicated, too many vested interests against etc.
While there are good economic reasons for the BAT, the inevitable consequence would have been a trade war. And that would have made everyone poorer.0 -
Do you think that at some point, several global economic powers are going to come together and cook up something similar?rcs1000 said:
It would also have resulted in tit-for-tat responses. If British firms were disadvantaged selling into the US by the BAT, then there would have been enormous political pressure to do the same for American goods entering the UK.Mortimer said:
Indeed.rcs1000 said:The Border Adjustment Tax is dead.
(Which is probably good news for the world.)
It struck me as one of those proposals that would never quite happen. Too complicated, too many vested interests against etc.
While there are good economic reasons for the BAT, the inevitable consequence would have been a trade war. And that would have made everyone poorer.
There is an undeniable logic to the idea, but it would surely make more sense if co-ordinated and common rather than solitary and unilateral.0 -
Are they though? Even Fox?FF43 said:
They are unified on kicking the can, so they don't need to decide about the rest. Just needs the EU to go along with it. They said previously they wouldn't agree.Benpointer said:
The cabinet continue to sing with one voice I see!foxinsoxuk said:
Lord, give us Brexit, but not yet...williamglenn said:0 -
Ha, enjoy your time off and we look forward to your refreshingly sane words here and elsewhere!Cyclefree said:
I quite like chasing dodgy bankers. Not dreary at all. Rather fun, in fact. It's all the rest of it which has become tiresome. If all goes well I will be able to do more of what I like, when I like and for people I like - or at least respect - and less of the tiresome crap.Sandpit said:Evening all, just catching up.
Good luck to Ms @Cyclefree on her new endeavour, working for yourself is so much better than a dreary day job chasing dodgy bankers.
And if it doesn't work out, well, at least I'll have tried. It's always the things one doesn't do that one regrets. In my experience, anyway.
Thank you to all for your good wishes.
(If a refreshingly sane voice appears on your screens talking sense about stuff - a sort of anti-Shami - well, that will be me!)
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To avoid blowing a Texas sized hole in the US budget, you needed the revenues from the BAT to pay for the corporate tax cut.Benpointer said:
Did I read somewhere that it's introduction was a pre-requisite for lowering the US corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%? Or am I imagining that?rcs1000 said:
It would also have resulted in tit-for-tat responses. If British firms were disadvantaged selling into the US by the BAT, then there would have been enormous political pressure to do the same for American goods entering the UK.Mortimer said:
Indeed.rcs1000 said:The Border Adjustment Tax is dead.
(Which is probably good news for the world.)
It struck me as one of those proposals that would never quite happen. Too complicated, too many vested interests against etc.
While there are good economic reasons for the BAT, the inevitable consequence would have been a trade war. And that would have made everyone poorer.0 -
3 council by elections today ,
Manchester Fallowfield safe Labour
West Lindsey Scotter and Blyton Conservative
North Dorset Blandford Central Independent
The Conservative candidate in Dorset has what must be one of the strangest names ever
Nocturin Bilbo Laffayette Lacey-Clarke so named after a medicine used to treat urinary incontinence , a hobbit and a French revoltionary or Louisiana City .0 -
In which case it simply becomes a tariff on goods from emerging markets.MyBurningEars said:
Do you think that at some point, several global economic powers are going to come together and cook up something similar?rcs1000 said:
It would also have resulted in tit-for-tat responses. If British firms were disadvantaged selling into the US by the BAT, then there would have been enormous political pressure to do the same for American goods entering the UK.Mortimer said:
Indeed.rcs1000 said:The Border Adjustment Tax is dead.
(Which is probably good news for the world.)
It struck me as one of those proposals that would never quite happen. Too complicated, too many vested interests against etc.
While there are good economic reasons for the BAT, the inevitable consequence would have been a trade war. And that would have made everyone poorer.
There is an undeniable logic to the idea, but it would surely make more sense if co-ordinated and common rather than solitary and unilateral.0 -
@PaulHouseK: @MrHarryCole I genuinely beleive that Labour are trying to paint a picture that they really don't know what they're position on brexit is.
@MrHarryCole: Or their topspin on the election has not changed a key fact - the incompetence of the leadership runs very deep. twitter.com/paulhousek/sta…0 -
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His Facebook page is here: https://www.facebook.com/nocturin.clarkeMarkSenior said:3 council by elections today ,
Manchester Fallowfield safe Labour
West Lindsey Scotter and Blyton Conservative
North Dorset Blandford Central Independent
The Conservative candidate in Dorset has what must be one of the strangest names ever
Nocturin Bilbo Laffayette Lacey-Clarke so named after a medicine used to treat urinary incontinence , a hobbit and a French revoltionary or Louisiana City .0 -
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To me (and yes, I know I'm biased) Britain is culturally much closer to Europe than the US on so many things, e.g. welfare, health care, social attitudes, gun control, education, the arts, sport, the environment etc. etc. Since we can't abide being tied to Europe, we'd never accept becoming the 51st state.MyBurningEars said:
Wilson and LBJ discussed it, though not necessarily seriously. Had there been a deep and sustained appetite among the British electorate for a grand reunion of the English-speaking peoples, even on American terms, it doesn't seem to me that it would have been an inherently more ridiculous proposal than, say, Britain joining a federal Europe. I think the fundamental constraint is that people do not want it.williamglenn said:
There's that unfounded belief again that all sorts of unlikely outcomes are somehow there for the choosing.MyBurningEars said:we could have very easily become State 51 had we so chosen.
Our choices in this world are not what you think they are, and this delusion lies at the heart of so many of the problems we've had in accepting our membership of the EU.
Pretty much ditto for the proposals (raised at an official level both during the early stages of WW2 and then again post-Suez) for a merger of Britain and France.0 -
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Diane Abbott coming up on NewsNight.0
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LOL I do love your fantasies. They reveal a deep and fundamental lack of comprehension of the British and our views of the EU.williamglenn said:
In 20 or 30 years it's possible that the EU might look and act like a single country from the perspective of the Chinese, or even the Americans, but it will never look that way to us because we are too close and too intimately bound up with its destiny.MyBurningEars said:If both (a) Brexit and (b) the EU, or its successor, manage to last out 20 or 30 or 40 years, I strongly suspect that the number of Brits surveying the scene and deciding it's shame the UK (or its successor) does not form a part of it, will be pretty small. Once the EU is a properly "foreign country", the idea of rejoining will have the same twist of fantasy and otherness about it, as does the concept of Britain becoming the 51st state today.
Imagine the UK news coverage from an EU summit 20 years from now where an event of world significance was being decided. Everything will be tinged with a sense of loss, of what could have been had we not walked out and given up our seat at the table.
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Oh, and there's me thinking that cutting the corporate tax rate would raise total tax takercs1000 said:
To avoid blowing a Texas sized hole in the US budget, you needed the revenues from the BAT to pay for the corporate tax cut.Benpointer said:
Did I read somewhere that it's introduction was a pre-requisite for lowering the US corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%? Or am I imagining that?rcs1000 said:
It would also have resulted in tit-for-tat responses. If British firms were disadvantaged selling into the US by the BAT, then there would have been enormous political pressure to do the same for American goods entering the UK.Mortimer said:
Indeed.rcs1000 said:The Border Adjustment Tax is dead.
(Which is probably good news for the world.)
It struck me as one of those proposals that would never quite happen. Too complicated, too many vested interests against etc.
While there are good economic reasons for the BAT, the inevitable consequence would have been a trade war. And that would have made everyone poorer.0 -
Alternatively The BBC has "Brexit: UK-EU freedom of movement 'to end in March 2019'"Scott_P said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40734504
That clears that up then!0 -
Or at least the views of 52% of the British (or in fact the 37% who voted)Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL I do love your fantasies. They reveal a deep and fundamental lack of comprehension of the British and our views of the EU.williamglenn said:
In 20 or 30 years it's possible that the EU might look and act like a single country from the perspective of the Chinese, or even the Americans, but it will never look that way to us because we are too close and too intimately bound up with its destiny.MyBurningEars said:If both (a) Brexit and (b) the EU, or its successor, manage to last out 20 or 30 or 40 years, I strongly suspect that the number of Brits surveying the scene and deciding it's shame the UK (or its successor) does not form a part of it, will be pretty small. Once the EU is a properly "foreign country", the idea of rejoining will have the same twist of fantasy and otherness about it, as does the concept of Britain becoming the 51st state today.
Imagine the UK news coverage from an EU summit 20 years from now where an event of world significance was being decided. Everything will be tinged with a sense of loss, of what could have been had we not walked out and given up our seat at the table.0 -
@WilliamGlenn, @Allan.
The 90's were a time of transition between the 60s and 70s mainframes and midis and the desktop PCs. The public focussed on PCs because that's what they understood by computers, but at the time the majority of the world's code was still on mainframes.
Most companies with over a thousand employees had one: a room full of tall white cupboards with a Freon dump in case of fire, linked to networks of dumb green screens, 20-odd lines by 80 chars wide. Electricity firms, telecommunications, universities, insurance companies, banks, the high street firms. Between 94 and 98 all had to employ a contractor or two (or three or four) for about six months, at about 50-70K pa each. That was when the average price of a house (not a flat, a house!) in England/Wales was about 70K.
By 99 the professionals had done the work, leaving amateurs and chancers to sweep up the leavings. From beginning to end the bulge employed thousands of people, with salary costs measured in tens of millions.
Five-ten tears later, mainframes had devolved into servers, small rooms with blades stacked on black shelves and little blinky lights. Mainframe languages melted away like snow, displaced by C++ and Java on network desktops, displaced in turn ten years later by R and Python on laptops. People look back and disbelieve that such a thing could happen - surely it was a scam? But it wasn't...
Brexit will be much worse...0 -
Haha dream on! I think you'll find mainframes are alive and kicking, and still running lots of 70s spaghetti code, in a number of retail banks, government departments, utility companies, and others.viewcode said:@WilliamGlenn, @Allan.
Five-ten tears later, mainframes had devolved into servers, small rooms with blades stacked on black shelves and little blinky lights. Mainframe languages melted away like snow, displaced by C++ and Java on network desktops, displaced in turn ten years later by R and Python on laptops.
There are usually one or two poor sods from each of our graduate intakes who are bemused to find themeselves learning assembler on their first placement!0 -
Well that's one off the next Tory leader list, this Home Office minister, Brandon Lewis, is total crap and vacuous.
On second thoughts that probably means he is nailed on.0 -
Not at all. To equate those who voted to Remain in the EU with the extremist views of Williamglenn is insulting to that 48%. Most of them held no great love for the EU, they were either concerned about the alternative or felt that, for all its faults, it was still worth persevering with as the benefits outweighed the negatives.Benpointer said:
Or at least the views of 52% of the British (or in fact the 37% who voted)Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL I do love your fantasies. They reveal a deep and fundamental lack of comprehension of the British and our views of the EU.williamglenn said:
In 20 or 30 years it's possible that the EU might look and act like a single country from the perspective of the Chinese, or even the Americans, but it will never look that way to us because we are too close and too intimately bound up with its destiny.MyBurningEars said:If both (a) Brexit and (b) the EU, or its successor, manage to last out 20 or 30 or 40 years, I strongly suspect that the number of Brits surveying the scene and deciding it's shame the UK (or its successor) does not form a part of it, will be pretty small. Once the EU is a properly "foreign country", the idea of rejoining will have the same twist of fantasy and otherness about it, as does the concept of Britain becoming the 51st state today.
Imagine the UK news coverage from an EU summit 20 years from now where an event of world significance was being decided. Everything will be tinged with a sense of loss, of what could have been had we not walked out and given up our seat at the table.
The idea that anything more than maybe 10% of the population will feel a sense of loss in 20 years time because we are not part of a particular political project is laughable.0 -
I'm not an advocate for Britain becoming State 51, and I think the whole idea is fanciful really (which was my initial point to William: if Europe federalises and Britain goes its own way, to a future generation joining the US of E may be as fanciful as joining the US of A is to us today) but I would point out that America is not monolithic in many of those respects. Nor is Britain really, though I do accept that the UK would be in many ways a massive outlier as State 51. An even more massive outlier than our pretty massive outlyingness within the EU.Benpointer said:
To me (and yes, I know I'm biased) Britain is culturally much closer to Europe than the US on so many things, e.g. welfare, health care, social attitudes, gun control, education, the arts, sport, the environment etc. etc. Since we can't abide being tied to Europe, we'd never accept becoming the 51st state.MyBurningEars said:
Wilson and LBJ discussed it, though not necessarily seriously. Had there been a deep and sustained appetite among the British electorate for a grand reunion of the English-speaking peoples, even on American terms, it doesn't seem to me that it would have been an inherently more ridiculous proposal than, say, Britain joining a federal Europe. I think the fundamental constraint is that people do not want it.williamglenn said:
There's that unfounded belief again that all sorts of unlikely outcomes are somehow there for the choosing.MyBurningEars said:we could have very easily become State 51 had we so chosen.
Our choices in this world are not what you think they are, and this delusion lies at the heart of so many of the problems we've had in accepting our membership of the EU.
Pretty much ditto for the proposals (raised at an official level both during the early stages of WW2 and then again post-Suez) for a merger of Britain and France.
In many respects there is more cultural exchange between the USA and UK, than between the UK and France/Germany/Italy. I think the Brit tendency to be monoglot is a big part of that. But then, how much cultural exchange do the French, Germans and Italians have between one another? Do they, to any really significant extent, watch each other's cinema and TV, read each other's newspapers? Do they share the same set of presenters, pop stars, public intellectuals? Do they all sit up watching the European Parliament, with all those well-known MEPs engaging in high-class debate, and does the French conservative voter watch the Polish conservative MEP haranguing the French liberal MEP and think "ahh she's one of ours"?0 -
Trumpton
A lot of days ago I said that the cracks in the Congressional GOP were appearing regarding Trump. There is now a move on the part of a substantive portion of them to cut themselves off from the President.
The information about Trump not only will pin him so firmly to the Russian regime, intelligence services and mob that he might as well be nailed to a fence but even beyond that, worse is now likely to come out about him.
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@Peston: Very clear from @HackneyAbbott interview on Newsnight that Labour moving towards support for staying in EU single market and customs union0
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I suppose they could always dig a moat.Scott_P said:0 -
My guess is the proposal is for - as happened in the 1939-1952 period - for there to be customs checks between Northern Ireland and the UK, but not between the Republic and the North.Richard_Tyndall said:
I suppose they could always dig a moat.Scott_P said:
There are quite a few arguments in favour of this solution (and Alanbrooke likes it). But I don't believe the DUP would go for it, as it would bring Northern Ireland closer to the Republic, and separate it from the UK.0 -
Apparently Senators are right now begging House members to defeat any bill they try and pass tonightY0kel said:Trumpton
A lot of days ago I said that the cracks in the Congressional GOP were appearing regarding Trump. There is now a move on the part of a substantive portion of them to cut themselves off from the President.
The information about Trump not only will pin him so firmly to the Russian regime, intelligence services and mob that he might as well be nailed to a fence but even beyond that, worse is now likely to come out about him.0 -
They are unified on a position of continuing current arrangements for two years or so and then a hard Brexit. But the first isn't a transition to the second. They have only moved the cliff edge out by two years (subject to EU agreement).Benpointer said:
Are they though? Even Fox?FF43 said:
They are unified on kicking the can, so they don't need to decide about the rest. Just needs the EU to go along with it. They said previously they wouldn't agree.Benpointer said:
The cabinet continue to sing with one voice I see!foxinsoxuk said:
Lord, give us Brexit, but not yet...williamglenn said:0 -
Don't worry: I know they still exist. But they're not as ubiquitous nor as representative as they were.Benpointer said:
Haha dream on! I think you'll find mainframes are alive and kicking, and still running lots of 70s spaghetti code, in a number of retail banks, government departments, utility companies, and others.viewcode said:@WilliamGlenn, @Allan.
Five-ten tears later, mainframes had devolved into servers, small rooms with blades stacked on black shelves and little blinky lights. Mainframe languages melted away like snow, displaced by C++ and Java on network desktops, displaced in turn ten years later by R and Python on laptops.
There are usually one or two poor sods from each of our graduate intakes who are bemused to find themeselves learning assembler on their first placement!0 -
Yes, good response, agree with much of that.MyBurningEars said:
I'm not an advocate for Britain becoming State 51, and I think the whole idea is fanciful really (which was my initial point to William: if Europe federalises and Britain goes its own way, to a future generation joining the US of E may be as fanciful as joining the US of A is to us today) but I would point out that America is not monolithic in many of those respects. Nor is Britain really, though I do accept that the UK would be in many ways a massive outlier as State 51. An even more massive outlier than our pretty massive outlyingness within the EU.Benpointer said:
To me (and yes, I know I'm biased) Britain is culturally much closer to Europe than the US on so many things, e.g. welfare, health care, social attitudes, gun control, education, the arts, sport, the environment etc. etc. Since we can't abide being tied to Europe, we'd never accept becoming the 51st state.MyBurningEars said:
. Had there been a deep and sustained appetite among the British electorate for a grand reunion of the English-speaking peoples, even on American terms, it doesn't seem to me that it would have been an inherently more ridiculous proposal than, say, Britain joining a federal Europe. I think the fundamental constraint is that people do not want it.williamglenn said:MyBurningEars said:we could have very easily become State 51 had we so chosen.
Pretty much ditto for the proposals (raised at an official level both during the early stages of WW2 and then again post-Suez) for a merger of Britain and France.
In many respects there is more cultural exchange between the USA and UK, than between the UK and France/Germany/Italy. I think the Brit tendency to be monoglot is a big part of that. But then, how much cultural exchange do the French, Germans and Italians have between one another? Do they, to any really significant extent, watch each other's cinema and TV, read each other's newspapers? Do they share the same set of presenters, pop stars, public intellectuals? Do they all sit up watching the European Parliament, with all those well-known MEPs engaging in high-class debate, and does the French conservative voter watch the Polish conservative MEP haranguing the French liberal MEP and think "ahh she's one of ours"?
I cannot let the word 'outlyingness' pass without a plaudit - OED if you're watching, for the record and for the next edition, it was first used by MyBurningEars on PB!0 -
Fair point - and most active development these days is on digital front-ends which do sit on those blade thingies, increasingly in some far off cloud, no doubt in Uzebekistan or similar (slightly worryingly)viewcode said:
Don't worry: I know they still exist. But they're not as ubiquitous nor as representative as they were.Benpointer said:
Haha dream on! I think you'll find mainframes are alive and kicking, and still running lots of 70s spaghetti code, in a number of retail banks, government departments, utility companies, and others.viewcode said:@WilliamGlenn, @Allan.
Five-ten tears later, mainframes had devolved into servers, small rooms with blades stacked on black shelves and little blinky lights. Mainframe languages melted away like snow, displaced by C++ and Java on network desktops, displaced in turn ten years later by R and Python on laptops.
There are usually one or two poor sods from each of our graduate intakes who are bemused to find themeselves learning assembler on their first placement!0 -
Scott_P
@Peston: Very clear from @HackneyAbbott interview on Newsnight that Labour moving towards support for staying in EU single market and customs union
Sounds like some rare recent good news for May if correct. But given that it's Abbott that's an if.
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?!? Someone wake me up, this dream's becoming too surreal even for a dream!Scott_P said:
Apparently Senators are right now begging House members to defeat any bill they try and pass tonightY0kel said:Trumpton
A lot of days ago I said that the cracks in the Congressional GOP were appearing regarding Trump. There is now a move on the part of a substantive portion of them to cut themselves off from the President.
The information about Trump not only will pin him so firmly to the Russian regime, intelligence services and mob that he might as well be nailed to a fence but even beyond that, worse is now likely to come out about him.0 -
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I never thought I would find myself saying this but if that tweet is correct then I think it is the Senate who are wrong in this case rather than the Whitehouse. Further sanctions against Russia and Iran are really dumb and will not help matters at all.Scott_P said:@Reuters: BREAKING: Senate votes overwhelmingly for new sanctions on Russia, Iran, North Korea, despite Trump administration's concerns pic.twitter.com/F4OsghIsvy
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I don't see how; Labour will continue to play to both Leave and Remain camps and mop up the growing 'general dissatisfaction' vote from both.trawl said:Scott_P
@Peston: Very clear from @HackneyAbbott interview on Newsnight that Labour moving towards support for staying in EU single market and customs union
Sounds like some rare recent good news for May if correct. But given that it's Abbott that's an if.
Looks increasingly like Corbyn and McDonnell are playing a blinder to me.0 -
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-eu-trade-idUKKBN1AC0KK
Pulling out of the TPP was "the biggest own goal of the new U.S. administration", Lee-Makiyama said. "The United States was the station manager of the international trading system and it has abdicated in a rather flamboyant way."
A bilateral U.S.-Japan free trade deal was now off the table too because Tokyo could not offer agricultural concessions to Washington after yielding to EU farming demands, he added.
Even Britain will probably have to agree to rules forged by negotiators in Brussels when it strikes bilateral deals after Brexit, as the EU's main trade partners adopt the bloc's norms. These will include systems to govern legal disputes among investors and food safety rules.0 -
The Congressional GOP has no real appetite for the talked about substantive changes in health insurance legislation.
Its a poison chalice and they know it.0 -
Manchester Fallowfield result
Lab 861
Green 105
LDem 82
Con 72
West Lindsey Scotter and Blyton
Con 694
LDem 555
Lab 230
UKIP 100
Note the vote shares and changes given on Britain Elects are incorrect0 -
Remainer Peston putting his own spin on things.trawl said:Scott_P
@Peston: Very clear from @HackneyAbbott interview on Newsnight that Labour moving towards support for staying in EU single market and customs union
She didn't say that all. She just said they are "not taking options off the table" over and over again but challenged about Jezza saying on Marr on Sunday that we should leave the single market she didn't have an answer...0 -
Benpointer
@Peston: Very clear from @HackneyAbbott interview on Newsnight that Labour moving towards support for staying in EU single market and customs union
Sounds like some rare recent good news for May if correct. But given that it's Abbott that's an if.
I don't see how; Labour will continue to play to both Leave and Remain camps and mop up the growing 'general dissatisfaction' vote from both.
Looks increasingly like Corbyn and McDonnell are playing a blinder to me.
I agree they have been playing to both camps, but if they do commit to staying in the SM and CU they will no longer be playing to (a lot of) the Leave camp. But as I say it's a big if, it was Abbott apparently, didn't see it myself.
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The bits I like are Google's data centres: covering acres, proper old-school sites, see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2219188/Inside-Google-pictures-gives-look-8-vast-data-centres.html. But the cloud stuff is a problem: the implications of Brexit and GDPR has forced companies to find out where the cloud servers physically are, and they're frequently not where you think.Benpointer said:
Fair point - and most active development these days is on digital front-ends which do sit on those blade thingies, increasingly in some far off cloud, no doubt in Uzebekistan or similar (slightly worryingly)viewcode said:
Don't worry: I know they still exist. But they're not as ubiquitous nor as representative as they were.Benpointer said:
Haha dream on! I think you'll find mainframes are alive and kicking, and still running lots of 70s spaghetti code, in a number of retail banks, government departments, utility companies, and others.viewcode said:@WilliamGlenn, @Allan.
Five-ten tears later, mainframes had devolved into servers, small rooms with blades stacked on black shelves and little blinky lights. Mainframe languages melted away like snow, displaced by C++ and Java on network desktops, displaced in turn ten years later by R and Python on laptops.
There are usually one or two poor sods from each of our graduate intakes who are bemused to find themeselves learning assembler on their first placement!0 -
Ah right - that's how rumours start I guess!GIN1138 said:
Remainer Peston putting his own spin on things.trawl said:Scott_P
@Peston: Very clear from @HackneyAbbott interview on Newsnight that Labour moving towards support for staying in EU single market and customs union
She didn't say that all. She just said they are "not taking options off the table" over and over again but challenged about Jezza saying on Marr on Sunday that we should leave the single market she didn't have an answer...0 -
Twitter did not add any new users in Q2
https://m.slashdot.org/story/329251
I hope nobody has any twatter stock!0 -
Someone mentioned Shia LeBoeuf earlier.
Which gives me an excuse to post this:
https://youtu.be/o0u4M6vppCI0 -
I wish Twitter and Snapchat, amongst others, were excluded from tracker funds. Though I suppose that defies the point of a tracker.FrancisUrquhart said:Twitter did not add any new users in Q2
https://m.slashdot.org/story/329251
I hope nobody has any twatter stock!
Cheers! The France/Germany/Italy question was not rhetorical, so if anybody actually knows the answer (it wouldn't surprise me if some social scientist or media analyst had attempted to quantify the level of their cultural interchange) I would love to know. One of the things I found interesting (and rather sad) about U.S. national TV ratings is that the statistics are (or were, last time I checked - few years ago now) available split by race. Because it turns out African Americans, Hispanics, and non-Hispanic Whites all watch almost completely different shows. You might have thought that in a country with hardly a national press to speak of, that TV might be one of the cultural forces bringing the country together. Racial self-segregation by TV-zapper is profoundly more depressing than merely geographical trends would be.Benpointer said:
Yes, good response, agree with much of that.0 -
Not just twitter or Snapchat. There are a whole load of overpriced tech stock, companies who aren't making any money, appear to have little idea how to and whose tech isn't really anything special.MyBurningEars said:
I wish Twitter and Snapchat, amongst others, were excluded from tracker funds. Though I suppose that defies the point of a tracker.FrancisUrquhart said:Twitter did not add any new users in Q2
https://m.slashdot.org/story/329251
I hope nobody has any twatter stock!
Cheers! The France/Germany/Italy question was not rhetorical, so if anybody actually knows the answer (it wouldn't surprise me if some social scientist or media analyst had attempted to quantify the level of their cultural interchange) I would love to know. One of the things I found interesting (and rather sad) about U.S. national TV ratings is that the statistics are (or were, last time I checked - few years ago now) available split by race. Because it turns out African Americans, Hispanics, and non-Hispanic Whites all watch almost completely different shows. You might have thought that in a country with hardly a national press to speak of, that TV might be one of the cultural forces bringing the country together. Racial self-segregation by TV-zapper is profoundly more depressing than merely geographical trends would be.Benpointer said:
Yes, good response, agree with much of that.0 -
Should add facebook is really interesting comparison to Twitter. Not only is there current platform / analyatics way better than twitter, there future machine learning stuff via their FAIR group is up there with the best of the best.0
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How many smart investors saw the Dot-Com Bubble coming in the late 90s, but could not be sure of when the inevitable crash would strike, then managed to lose money by trying to short it? That one just went up and up and up, til it all came down. I fairly recently read a factoid that my google-fu won't enable me to find, about just how much money a hypothetical wise investor could have lost that way, and all I can remember is that it was massive, and that even once the crash was "clearly inevitable" (in hindsight) they'd have lost. If anyone recalls that factoid (or even recounted it - I may have read it here!) I'd be grateful. My memory is clearly not what it used to be!FrancisUrquhart said:
Not just twitter or Snapchat. There are a whole load of overpriced tech stock, companies who aren't making any money, appear to have little idea how to and whose tech isn't really anything special.MyBurningEars said:
I wish Twitter and Snapchat, amongst others, were excluded from tracker funds. Though I suppose that defies the point of a tracker.FrancisUrquhart said:Twitter did not add any new users in Q2
https://m.slashdot.org/story/329251
I hope nobody has any twatter stock!0 -
Another crash will come, there are just too many tech companies who have been funded with mega bucks but have little. Google and Facebook though have really USP. Apple are investing heavily in hiring top people in machine learning and Interestingly Uber are really investing in also pivoting away from the core app strategy.MyBurningEars said:
How many smart investors saw the Dot-Com Bubble coming in the late 90s, but could not be sure of when the inevitable crash would strike, then managed to lose money by trying to short it? That one just went up and up and up, til it all came down. I fairly recently read a factoid that my google-fu won't enable me to find, about just how much money a hypothetical wise investor could have lost that way, and all I can remember is that it was massive, and that even once the crash was "clearly inevitable" (in hindsight) they'd have lost. If anyone recalls that factoid (or even recounted it - I may have read it here!) I'd be grateful. My memory is clearly not what it used to be!FrancisUrquhart said:
Not just twitter or Snapchat. There are a whole load of overpriced tech stock, companies who aren't making any money, appear to have little idea how to and whose tech isn't really anything special.MyBurningEars said:
I wish Twitter and Snapchat, amongst others, were excluded from tracker funds. Though I suppose that defies the point of a tracker.FrancisUrquhart said:Twitter did not add any new users in Q2
https://m.slashdot.org/story/329251
I hope nobody has any twatter stock!
On the other hand, I would be seriously worried if I had much money in any of these companies that own gimmicky app related IP.
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Sheffield-based radio station Iman FM loses licence
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-40740944
A community radio station has had its licence revoked for broadcasting more than 25 hours of lectures by an alleged al-Qaeda leader.
Sheffield-based Iman FM's licence had already been suspended by Ofcom for playing the lectures by radical American Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.
An Ofcom spokesperson said: "We take robust action when broadcasters break the rules."
Iman FM previously told Ofcom it was not aware of Awlaki's background.
I missed this one. That's really quite something special. I like the "alleged", which is very generous given the circumstances; are they worried the Awlaki estate's going to sue for posthumous libel?0