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On this week’s PB/Polling Matters podcast, Keiran Pedley and Leo Barasi discuss exclusive polling from Opinium that looks at how popular a series of frontline British politicians are.
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Thirst.0
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Until the thread disappears...JosiasJessop said:Thirst.
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They'd never do that to me!Scott_P said:
Until the thread disappears...JosiasJessop said:Thirst.
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Like Britain's future...Scott_P said:
Until the thread disappears...JosiasJessop said:Thirst.
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Threaxit... ™foxinsoxuk said:Like Britain's future...
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Nah, this thread has been published as planned.Scott_P said:
Threaxit...foxinsoxuk said:Like Britain's future...
There has been no premature posting.0 -
No spiel is better than a bad spiel.Scott_P said:
Threaxit... ™foxinsoxuk said:Like Britain's future...
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Is the answer Michael 'Govey' Gove?0
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I encourage you to see Christopher Nolan's Brexit allegory " Dunkirk ". Stirring.williamglenn said:
No spiel is better than a bad spiel.Scott_P said:
Threaxit... ™foxinsoxuk said:Like Britain's future...
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It has taken me this long just to listen to the podcast. Posting before listening is cheating imo.0
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I listened to the podcast before I posted. So nehhhhDecrepitJohnL said:It has taken me this long just to listen to the podcast. Posting before listening is cheating imo.
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@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it0
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A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
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They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
french general surrenders shock
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/19/head-french-armed-forces-resigns-budget-cuts-row-macron/
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From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.0 -
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.0 -
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...
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FPT:David_Evershed said:
Excellent chart de-bunking much fake news.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not really - the chart itself is close to being fake news; it is designed to distract from the huge inequality that has arisen from the explosion in asset prices and hence rising wealth of the rich since 2008, much completely untaxed.0 -
If the question is "Who is the most unpopular member of this Tory Cabinet?", then the answer, based on the podcast, would indeed seem to be the hapless Gove.PeterMannion said:Is the answer Michael 'Govey' Gove?
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You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.0 -
I think the rate of increase has slowed but still rising.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...
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Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
A PB alumnus writes:
https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/887641703817121793
@Y0kel - Any thoughts?0 -
So undeserved on poor GoveyPClipp said:
If the question is "Who is the most unpopular member of this Tory Cabinet?", then the answer, based on the podcast, would indeed seem to be the hapless Gove.PeterMannion said:Is the answer Michael 'Govey' Gove?
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Because often councils want to stop half-empty homes when there is local demand. Not 100% sure the union set is that big between second homes and local demand but that is the rationale.nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.0 -
No. Your vote is not - and should not - be dependant on how much tax you pay. Should those on benefits or unemployed be denied the vote because they pay no tax? Of course not.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
And students don't pay council tax, in any case. They are exempt.0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
Eh? Second homes can still get a discount, up to your local council, although most have of course withdrawn it as part of the cuts. There is no premium (except that you can't get single person discount) unless the property has been empty for two years, after which point it is up to your council whether to charge a premium or not.nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.0 -
No-one gets two votes. If you have two (genuine) homes, you get one vote for each council, if they are different; if the homes are in the same area you only get one vote.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.0 -
Students should have one vote in local elections. The default should be that they vote in their home town, where they have grown up & have some connection to the community.
They are temporary residents in University towns, at least during their undergraduate days.
One of the reasons why this is important is that it has a distorting effect on local elections in University towns. How many students are interested in footpath repairs, or waste collection, or street lighting, or pot holes, or fly tipping? The students who do vote are the party tribalists.
In my ward at the last local election, we even had the misfortune to have a candidate (for the LibDems) who was a student. What did he want to do?
He wanted us to vote for him to send a message to Donald Trump. Seriously, he wrote that as the reason why he should be elected to the local council.
This is not what local elections should be about.
They should be about choosing competent, fair-minded people, interested in their local community, who are willing to serve it honestly and fairly. In practise, this involves doing a lot of low-level, and fairly boring work.0 -
The ammendment passed in 2014 allows councils to charge up to 100% premium if it so chooses on 2nd homes.IanB2 said:nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
Eh? Second homes can still get a discount, up to your local council, although most have of course withdrawn it as part of the cuts. There is no premium (except that you can't get single person discount) unless the property has been empty for two years, after which point it is up to your council whether to charge a premium or not.nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.0 -
Nichomar is correct. In some areas of the country (e.g., Ceredigion), this is an automatic premium on second homes.IanB2 said:nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
Eh? Second homes can still get a discount, up to your local council, although most have of course withdrawn it as part of the cuts. There is no premium (except that you can't get single person discount) unless the property has been empty for two years, after which point it is up to your council whether to charge a premium or not.nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
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Are you sure (other than the two-year empty provision I mentioned in my earlier post). The current government and local authority websites have no mention of it.nichomar said:
The ammendment passed in 2014 allows councils to charge up to 100% premium if it so chooses on 2nd homes.IanB2 said:nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
Eh? Second homes can still get a discount, up to your local council, although most have of course withdrawn it as part of the cuts. There is no premium (except that you can't get single person discount) unless the property has been empty for two years, after which point it is up to your council whether to charge a premium or not.nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
Edit/ yes, I see the provisions come in as an option IN WALES. I know some West Country councils would like to do the same thing. As far as I know few councils have yet adopted?0 -
That may only apply to Wales though will look deepernichomar said:
The ammendment passed in 2014 allows councils to charge up to 100% premium if it so chooses on 2nd homes.IanB2 said:nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
Eh? Second homes can still get a discount, up to your local council, although most have of course withdrawn it as part of the cuts. There is no premium (except that you can't get single person discount) unless the property has been empty for two years, after which point it is up to your council whether to charge a premium or not.nichomar said:
You now pay a premium on council tax for second home i think it can be 50% or 100%TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.0 -
Seems fair enough to me. People can vote for candidates for whatever reason, and candidates can stand on the same basis.YBarddCwsc said:Students should have one vote in local elections. The default should be that they vote in their home town, where they have grown up & have some connection to the community.
They are temporary residents in University towns, at least during their undergraduate days.
One of the reasons why this is important is that it has a distorting effect on local elections in University towns. How many students are interested in footpath repairs, or waste collection, or street lighting, or pot holes, or fly tipping? The students who do vote are the party tribalists.
In my ward at the last local election, we even had the misfortune to have a candidate (for the LibDems) who was a student. What did he want to do?
He wanted us to vote for him to send a message to Donald Trump. Seriously, he wrote that as the reason why he should be elected to the local council.
This is not what local elections should be about.
They should be about choosing competent, fair-minded people, interested in their local community, who are willing to serve it honestly and fairly. In practise, this involves doing a lot of low-level, and fairly boring work.
Presumably all the people who like and admire Donald Trump voted Conservative.0 -
Oh FFS. I was saying only the other day to a mate that the buggers would pull this stunt straight after the election, meaning I will have to wait another year.Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
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I think I remember her.williamglenn said:A PB alumnus writes:
https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/887641703817121793
@Y0kel - Any thoughts?
She used to be somebody important, didn't she?0 -
Marginally.Pong said:
I think I remember her.williamglenn said:A PB alumnus writes:
https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/887641703817121793
@Y0kel - Any thoughts?
She used to be somebody important, didn't she?
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Bollocks - catches me by a few months.....rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. I was saying only the other day to a mate that the buggers would pull this stunt straight after the election, meaning I will have to wait another year.Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
Can't get too worked up though as it'll be 70 at best... these are baby-steps towards that.0 -
The EU seem as unwilling as do we to put a number on the Brexit bill...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/18/eu-talks-divided-over-britains-brexit-divorce-bill-mooted-at-66bn0 -
Have I missed something?williamglenn said:A PB alumnus writes:
https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/887641703817121793
@Y0kel - Any thoughts?0 -
What are you talking about? If I live in Sillyshire and also Islington I pay council tax in each of those places. The respective councils spend those taxes on roads, hospitals, whatever. As a resident of each place I have a right to vote in the council in each place which I think spends it in the way I want.Cyclefree said:
No. Your vote is not - and should not - be dependant on how much tax you pay. Should those on benefits or unemployed be denied the vote because they pay no tax? Of course not.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
And students don't pay council tax, in any case. They are exempt.0 -
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Yes. This is what I have been saying. Why is it difficult to understand? Am I having a mad typing moment?IanB2 said:
No-one gets two votes. If you have two (genuine) homes, you get one vote for each council, if they are different; if the homes are in the same area you only get one vote.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.0 -
I was born in 1979. I don't expect to ever get a state pension.rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. I was saying only the other day to a mate that the buggers would pull this stunt straight after the election, meaning I will have to wait another year.Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
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Yep, about 2.5 months on my pension age, assuming it is still going to be structured the same.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Bollocks - catches me by a few months.....rottenborough said:
Oh FFS. I was saying only the other day to a mate that the buggers would pull this stunt straight after the election, meaning I will have to wait another year.Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
Can't get too worked up though as it'll be 70 at best... these are baby-steps towards that.0 -
I think it would be eminently sensible to commit to the state pension age rising by six weeks every year.CarlottaVance said:0 -
@youngvulgarian: can't wait to retire at 87 and spend the last few years of my life picking fruit in honour of Brexit Britain x0
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This was always the case because the extra funding for NI (not the DUP) was always conditional on the NI Assembly rejuvenating.calum said:0 -
Not until this observation is explained:rcs1000 said:
I think it would be eminently sensible to commit to the state pension age rising by six weeks every year.CarlottaVance said:
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-07-18/warnings-as-increases-in-life-expectancy-stagnates/0 -
I'm guessing this would have happened regardless of Brexit.Scott_P said:@youngvulgarian: can't wait to retire at 87 and spend the last few years of my life picking fruit in honour of Brexit Britain x
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My view is that the state should not be in the business of depressing the savings rate.rural_voter said:
Not until this observation is explained:rcs1000 said:
I think it would be eminently sensible to commit to the state pension age rising by six weeks every year.CarlottaVance said:
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-07-18/warnings-as-increases-in-life-expectancy-stagnates/0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Not at all surprised at the rising pension age. Will keep going, I imagine, to 72-3 or so.0 -
No one gets two votes, except those that do.IanB2 said:
No-one gets two votes. If you have two (genuine) homes, you get one vote for each council, if they are different; if the homes are in the same area you only get one vote.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
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The pension age has a lot of catching up to do...rural_voter said:
Not until this observation is explained:rcs1000 said:
I think it would be eminently sensible to commit to the state pension age rising by six weeks every year.CarlottaVance said:
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-07-18/warnings-as-increases-in-life-expectancy-stagnates/0 -
Good afternoon, Mr.D.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Not at all surprised at the rising pension age. Will keep going, I imagine, to 72-3 or so.
Did you see the transcript of Kvyat's radio messages at Silverstone ?
In some ways a minor masterpiece...
This is [censored by FOM] Formula 1 it’s not [censored by FOM] [censored by FOM] racing. [Censored by FOM] [censored by FOM]....0 -
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
Who says HMRC don't have a sense of humour? They put the instruction to use black ink at the very back of the self-assessment guide.0
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Mr. B, I missed the Torpedo's expletives. He sounds very redacted.0
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If only they had a graph showing the rate of change of the change in life expectancy per year...felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it... 0 -
She was (briefly) my MP. Several days of door knocking I'll never get back, the ungrateful b***h!Pong said:
I think I remember her.williamglenn said:A PB alumnus writes:
https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/887641703817121793
@Y0kel - Any thoughts?
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Given these stats can only be collated in arrears, and given the trend line, 'life expectancy is falling' could well be true at the present moment. Stick a 'probably' in there and you're covered.RobD said:
If only they had a graph showing the rate of change of the change in life expectancy per year...felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
OT Things are getting stinky here in sunny Birmingham as the binman strike shows no sign of ending. We are having our own summer of discontent as rubbish begins to pile up in the streets. Expect a dent in the popularity of the Labour-run council!0
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pay and conditions? What's the reason?FeersumEnjineeya said:OT Things are getting stinky here in sunny Birmingham as the binman strike shows no sign of ending. We are having our own summer of discontent as rubbish begins to pile up in the streets. Expect a dent in the popularity of the Labour-run council!
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That graph shows it has gone up as many times as it has gone down in recent years. So probably not 'probably'.Pro_Rata said:
Given these stats can only be collated in arrears, and given the trend line, 'life expectancy is falling' could well be true at the present moment. Stick a 'probably' in there and you're covered.RobD said:
If only they had a graph showing the rate of change of the change in life expectancy per year...felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
I got 823 recently, and used them all!RobD said:
No one gets two votes, except those that do.IanB2 said:
No-one gets two votes. If you have two (genuine) homes, you get one vote for each council, if they are different; if the homes are in the same area you only get one vote.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
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Mr. Enjineeya, my sympathies, we had one of those in this part of the world a few years ago.
The current conditions won't be helping matters.
Edited extra bit: checked my records and, alas, whilst I'm green on Cable it's rather less than I'd imagined. Ah well. Odd how misconceptions can form.0 -
It'll all be picked by robots within a few years.Scott_P said:@youngvulgarian: can't wait to retire at 87 and spend the last few years of my life picking fruit in honour of Brexit Britain x
He'll have to do the jobs that robots refuse to do.0 -
As fas as I can tell, the council wants to save money by redefining the roles of some of the binmen, effectively resulting in a pay cut for some of them. Unison claims that this will affect safety, but I'm not sure whether there's any evidence for this.TOPPING said:
pay and conditions? What's the reason?FeersumEnjineeya said:OT Things are getting stinky here in sunny Birmingham as the binman strike shows no sign of ending. We are having our own summer of discontent as rubbish begins to pile up in the streets. Expect a dent in the popularity of the Labour-run council!
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"safety" is always a safe bet if you can't use "racism" or "climate change".FeersumEnjineeya said:
As fas as I can tell, the council wants to save money by redefining the roles of some of the binmen, effectively resulting in a pay cut for some of them. Unison claims that this will affect safety, but I'm not sure whether there's any evidence for this.TOPPING said:
pay and conditions? What's the reason?FeersumEnjineeya said:OT Things are getting stinky here in sunny Birmingham as the binman strike shows no sign of ending. We are having our own summer of discontent as rubbish begins to pile up in the streets. Expect a dent in the popularity of the Labour-run council!
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And she still lost her majority!GeoffM said:
I got 823 recently, and used them all!RobD said:
No one gets two votes, except those that do.IanB2 said:
No-one gets two votes. If you have two (genuine) homes, you get one vote for each council, if they are different; if the homes are in the same area you only get one vote.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
[buffs nails]
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Mr. Eagles, many swear words within this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxSlzCEmFhI0 -
GeoffM's referring to his votes in the EU referendumBenpointer said:
And she still lost her majority!GeoffM said:
I got 823 recently, and used them all!RobD said:
No one gets two votes, except those that do.IanB2 said:
No-one gets two votes. If you have two (genuine) homes, you get one vote for each council, if they are different; if the homes are in the same area you only get one vote.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
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Only if she's lucky.Scott_P said:@youngvulgarian: can't wait to retire at 87 and spend the last few years of my life picking fruit in honour of Brexit Britain x
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Ah right dammit - I demand a recount!RobD said:
GeoffM's referring to his votes in the EU referendumBenpointer said:
And she still lost her majority!GeoffM said:
I got 823 recently, and used them all!RobD said:
No one gets two votes, except those that do.IanB2 said:
No-one gets two votes. If you have two (genuine) homes, you get one vote for each council, if they are different; if the homes are in the same area you only get one vote.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
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Okay, another brief delurk to laugh at the BBC. Given that the media in general love nothing more than talking about themselves this is going to run for days as everyone compares their salaries.
A few notes on the list:
The worst excesses, as always, are in radio. BBC are top of the tree in this medium, the biggest earners have been there for decades and are less likely to get poached by commercial media. They could probably cut every one of those on the list to under £150k and they wouldn't complain.
Graham Norton - this published salary is for his radio and Eurovision work - his TV show is made by his own production company (So Television) who pay him separately.
Chris Evans - this may include some Top Gear salary from last year, although most of his earnings from that show will come from Worldwide royalties. Ditto why Matt Le Blanc doesn't appear on the list.
There will be loads of others they've managed to get 'off the books' in similar ways, by subcontracting production or paying a basic 'salary' and a large bonus from Worldwide. Also people who are genuine contractors, working for a number of media outlets.
Lineker - I know footballer salaries are mad, but does he really deserve nearly 12,000 licence fees? People are going to watch MOTD no matter who presents it.
Don't recognise most of the entertainment names, I guess mainly from Eastenders and the dancing show. What did we pay Emilia Clarke £200k for, she's the young actress from Game of Thrones who can't act but can get naked?!
Alex Jones must have a really good agent, she was a regional TV nobody five years ago when the One Show picked her up - can only guess that someone tried to poach her and the Beeb matched the offer to avoid changing the lineup of the show twice in quick succession.
News - this is obviously where most of the media attention will be, as 20 people there earn more than the PM, plus the original 'autocutie' Fiona Bruce. The only salary justified there is Andrew Neil, but does even he really deserve to earn twice as much as the ministers he holds to account? An interesting side effect will be if people in other TV news organisations (ITV, C4, Sky) get asked about their salaries. I'd guess Adam Boulton is probably on close to £1m at Sky for example.0 -
No it isn't.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
Another wonderful result for 7 years of austerity!RobD said:
That graph shows it has gone up as many times as it has gone down in recent years. So probably not 'probably'.Pro_Rata said:
Given these stats can only be collated in arrears, and given the trend line, 'life expectancy is falling' could well be true at the present moment. Stick a 'probably' in there and you're covered.RobD said:
If only they had a graph showing the rate of change of the change in life expectancy per year...felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
Sensible and necessary. Norway has had it at 67 for many years.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Hm, would like to see evidence of that link.Benpointer said:
Another wonderful result for 7 years of austerity!RobD said:
That graph shows it has gone up as many times as it has gone down in recent years. So probably not 'probably'.Pro_Rata said:
Given these stats can only be collated in arrears, and given the trend line, 'life expectancy is falling' could well be true at the present moment. Stick a 'probably' in there and you're covered.RobD said:
If only they had a graph showing the rate of change of the change in life expectancy per year...felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
The graph shows the rise trending downwards before hitting zero in 2015. I take it you can't extrapolate.felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
It's trended down before and gone up again. No evidence here that it is dropping.. not yet!NottingHiller said:
The graph shows the rise trending downwards before hitting zero in 2015. I take it you can't extrapolate.felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
On the BBC.
Andrew Neil seems v good value at 250k to me. God knows why alot of them are paid what they are though0 -
The man who punched the Dalai Lama and told Picasso he couldn't draw.TheScreamingEagles said:
I could listen to his stories all day.
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I take it you can't read graphs that go back more than a few years.NottingHiller said:
The graph shows the rise trending downwards before hitting zero in 2015. I take it you can't extrapolate.felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
Apologies for the rather niche in-joke.Benpointer said:
Ah right dammit - I demand a recount!RobD said:
GeoffM's referring to his votes in the EU referendumBenpointer said:
And she still lost her majority!GeoffM said:
I got 823 recently, and used them all!RobD said:
No one gets two votes, except those that do.IanB2 said:
No-one gets two votes. If you have two (genuine) homes, you get one vote for each council, if they are different; if the homes are in the same area you only get one vote.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
[buffs nails]
823 Leave votes here in an area where 96% voted Remain.
Nobody else will admit voting Leave around here for fear of losing their job or being lynched. So I am the Only Leaver In The Village and I'm standing up and taking the flak for the shy ones.
That, plus MI5 really *did* drop a stuffed ballot box of blank voting papers outside my door.
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And I would love to be able to provide it, but that's going to be very tricky. The evidence is circumstantial but it's at least conceivable that austerity has had an effect.RobD said:
Hm, would like to see evidence of that link.Benpointer said:
Another wonderful result for 7 years of austerity!RobD said:
That graph shows it has gone up as many times as it has gone down in recent years. So probably not 'probably'.Pro_Rata said:
Given these stats can only be collated in arrears, and given the trend line, 'life expectancy is falling' could well be true at the present moment. Stick a 'probably' in there and you're covered.RobD said:
If only they had a graph showing the rate of change of the change in life expectancy per year...felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...
In the article Sir Michael Marmot, director of the Institute of Health Equity at UCL, said:
it was "entirely possible" austerity had played a role. He explained social factors such as education, employment and working conditions and poverty all affected life expectancy by influencing lifestyles. And as austerity was placing pressures on these, they may in turn be influencing life expectancy. He also highlighted what he said was "miserly" funding settlements for the NHS and social care, which meant the quality of life for older people would have deteriorated and could well affect their life expectancy.0 -
So why did it go down between 2004-2008?Benpointer said:
And I would love to be able to provide it, but that's going to be very tricky. The evidence is circumstantial but it's at least conceivable that austerity has had an effect.RobD said:
Hm, would like to see evidence of that link.Benpointer said:
Another wonderful result for 7 years of austerity!RobD said:
That graph shows it has gone up as many times as it has gone down in recent years. So probably not 'probably'.Pro_Rata said:
Given these stats can only be collated in arrears, and given the trend line, 'life expectancy is falling' could well be true at the present moment. Stick a 'probably' in there and you're covered.RobD said:
If only they had a graph showing the rate of change of the change in life expectancy per year...felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...
In the article Sir Michael Marmot, director of the Institute of Health Equity at UCL, said:
it was "entirely possible" austerity had played a role. He explained social factors such as education, employment and working conditions and poverty all affected life expectancy by influencing lifestyles. And as austerity was placing pressures on these, they may in turn be influencing life expectancy. He also highlighted what he said was "miserly" funding settlements for the NHS and social care, which meant the quality of life for older people would have deteriorated and could well affect their life expectancy.0 -
Don't know wtf you're on about.Richard_Tyndall said:
I take it you can't read graphs that go back more than a few years.NottingHiller said:
The graph shows the rise trending downwards before hitting zero in 2015. I take it you can't extrapolate.felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...
The change in retirement age won't come with the caveat that it will go back to 67 if life expectancy doesn't rise, that's for sure.
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Purnell was justifying salaries on a cost per viewer/listener basis. That being the case the Victoria Derbyshire Programme must cost around £200,000 per viewer to make!Sandpit said:Okay, another brief delurk to laugh at the BBC. Given that the media in general love nothing more than talking about themselves this is going to run for days as everyone compares their salaries.
A few notes on the list:
The worst excesses, as always, are in radio. BBC are top of the tree in this medium, the biggest earners have been there for decades and are less likely to get poached by commercial media. They could probably cut every one of those on the list to under £150k and they wouldn't complain.
Graham Norton - this published salary is for his radio and Eurovision work - his TV show is made by his own production company (So Television) who pay him separately.
Chris Evans - this may include some Top Gear salary from last year, although most of his earnings from that show will come from Worldwide royalties. Ditto why Matt Le Blanc doesn't appear on the list.
There will be loads of others they've managed to get 'off the books' in similar ways, by subcontracting production or paying a basic 'salary' and a large bonus from Worldwide. Also people who are genuine contractors, working for a number of media outlets.
Lineker - I know footballer salaries are mad, but does he really deserve nearly 12,000 licence fees? People are going to watch MOTD no matter who presents it.
Don't recognise most of the entertainment names, I guess mainly from Eastenders and the dancing show. What did we pay Emilia Clarke £200k for, she's the young actress from Game of Thrones who can't act but can get naked?!
Alex Jones must have a really good agent, she was a regional TV nobody five years ago when the One Show picked her up - can only guess that someone tried to poach her and the Beeb matched the offer to avoid changing the lineup of the show twice in quick succession.
News - this is obviously where most of the media attention will be, as 20 people there earn more than the PM, plus the original 'autocutie' Fiona Bruce. The only salary justified there is Andrew Neil, but does even he really deserve to earn twice as much as the ministers he holds to account? An interesting side effect will be if people in other TV news organisations (ITV, C4, Sky) get asked about their salaries. I'd guess Adam Boulton is probably on close to £1m at Sky for example.0 -
how can you trend down and not be droppingRobD said:
It's trended down before and gone up again. No evidence here that it is dropping.. not yet!NottingHiller said:
The graph shows the rise trending downwards before hitting zero in 2015. I take it you can't extrapolate.felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...0 -
If Emilia Clarke is in GoT she is not on the BBC. Emilia Fox plays the lead in Silent Witness, a long-running BBC series about crime-fighting pathologists. Chris Evans has the biggest radio audience in the country and one imagines rival broadcasters would open their cheque books for popular entertainers like Evans or Graham Norton, who have established track records over more than one programme.Sandpit said:Okay, another brief delurk to laugh at the BBC. Given that the media in general love nothing more than talking about themselves this is going to run for days as everyone compares their salaries.
A few notes on the list:
The worst excesses, as always, are in radio. BBC are top of the tree in this medium, the biggest earners have been there for decades and are less likely to get poached by commercial media. They could probably cut every one of those on the list to under £150k and they wouldn't complain.
Graham Norton - this published salary is for his radio and Eurovision work - his TV show is made by his own production company (So Television) who pay him separately.
Chris Evans - this may include some Top Gear salary from last year, although most of his earnings from that show will come from Worldwide royalties. Ditto why Matt Le Blanc doesn't appear on the list.
There will be loads of others they've managed to get 'off the books' in similar ways, by subcontracting production or paying a basic 'salary' and a large bonus from Worldwide. Also people who are genuine contractors, working for a number of media outlets.
Lineker - I know footballer salaries are mad, but does he really deserve nearly 12,000 licence fees? People are going to watch MOTD no matter who presents it.
Don't recognise most of the entertainment names, I guess mainly from Eastenders and the dancing show. What did we pay Emilia Clarke £200k for, she's the young actress from Game of Thrones who can't act but can get naked?!
Alex Jones must have a really good agent, she was a regional TV nobody five years ago when the One Show picked her up - can only guess that someone tried to poach her and the Beeb matched the offer to avoid changing the lineup of the show twice in quick succession.
News - this is obviously where most of the media attention will be, as 20 people there earn more than the PM, plus the original 'autocutie' Fiona Bruce. The only salary justified there is Andrew Neil, but does even he really deserve to earn twice as much as the ministers he holds to account? An interesting side effect will be if people in other TV news organisations (ITV, C4, Sky) get asked about their salaries. I'd guess Adam Boulton is probably on close to £1m at Sky for example.0 -
Because the graph shows rate of increase of life expectancy not life expectancy itself. It can still be going up just more slowly than before.malcolmg said:
how can you trend down and not be droppingRobD said:
It's trended down before and gone up again. No evidence here that it is dropping.. not yet!NottingHiller said:
The graph shows the rise trending downwards before hitting zero in 2015. I take it you can't extrapolate.felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...
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It's "entirely possible" that many things can play a role.Benpointer said:
And I would love to be able to provide it, but that's going to be very tricky. The evidence is circumstantial but it's at least conceivable that austerity has had an effect.RobD said:
Hm, would like to see evidence of that link.Benpointer said:
Another wonderful result for 7 years of austerity!RobD said:
That graph shows it has gone up as many times as it has gone down in recent years. So probably not 'probably'.Pro_Rata said:
Given these stats can only be collated in arrears, and given the trend line, 'life expectancy is falling' could well be true at the present moment. Stick a 'probably' in there and you're covered.RobD said:
If only they had a graph showing the rate of change of the change in life expectancy per year...felix said:
I take it you can't read a graph.NottingHiller said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256felix said:
Wrong.NottingHiller said:
Trouble is life expectancy is dropping.rkrkrk said:
They say state pension will go up in line with life expectancy on page 66 online, 64 in document.DecrepitJohnL said:
A quick glance at the Conservative manifesto doesn't find any mention of raising the retirement age. Can anyone give me a page number?Scott_P said:@steve_hawkes: Rumours David Gauke may be about to signal that he wants to bring forward an increase in state retirement age. Would be a good day to do it
"We will also ensure that the state pension age reflects increases in life expectancy, while protecting each generation fairly".
I think that's the basis of it...
In the article Sir Michael Marmot, director of the Institute of Health Equity at UCL, said:
it was "entirely possible" austerity had played a role. He explained social factors such as education, employment and working conditions and poverty all affected life expectancy by influencing lifestyles. And as austerity was placing pressures on these, they may in turn be influencing life expectancy. He also highlighted what he said was "miserly" funding settlements for the NHS and social care, which meant the quality of life for older people would have deteriorated and could well affect their life expectancy.
In any case, the report does not say life expectancy has fallen, rather the rate of increase has slowed.0 -
Haha thanks for enlightening me. I thought there must some significance to the 823.GeoffM said:
Apologies for the rather niche in-joke.Benpointer said:
Ah right dammit - I demand a recount!RobD said:
GeoffM's referring to his votes in the EU referendumBenpointer said:
And she still lost her majority!GeoffM said:
I got 823 recently, and used them all!RobD said:
No one gets two votes, except those that do.IanB2 said:
No-one gets two votes. If you have two (genuine) homes, you get one vote for each council, if they are different; if the homes are in the same area you only get one vote.TOPPING said:
Nope. If you live in two areas and pay council tax in each area you get two votes. Taxation without representation is tyranny.Cyclefree said:From one of the previous threads:
"Do they pay local council tax in both areas? If not, then yes, vote once. if they do, then they should be able to vote once in each council area they have to pay council tax in."
Absolutely not. One person, one vote. We don't link the right to vote to how much tax we pay. Otherwise those who pay higher rate tax would get more votes than others.
If students have - illegally - voted twice they should be prosecuted. Just like anyone else. And we should tighten up the rules, if necessary, not to suppress voting but to maintain the integrity of our voting system.
GE of course not - one vote only.
[buffs nails]
823 Leave votes here in an area where 96% voted Remain.
Nobody else will admit voting Leave around here for fear of losing their job or being lynched. So I am the Only Leaver In The Village and I'm standing up and taking the flak for the shy ones.
That, plus MI5 really *did* drop a stuffed ballot box of blank voting papers outside my door.
Well done for sticking to your principles (even though you are totally wrong obv!)0
