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• RobD Posts: 60,708

  July 2017

  First!

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• Benpointer Posts: 35,631

  July 2017

  Second!
  

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• Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,894

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  That's ironic.
  
  F1: still waiting for word on Hamilton's potential penalty.
  
  If he got one, that would mean a Ferrari front row followed by Verstappen and Hulkenberg.
  
  Edited extra bit: apparently, no further action. I think that's unfair, being honest. He blocked Grosjean on a hot lap. There should be some kind of penalty. It smacks of favouritism.

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• williamglenn Posts: 56,314

  July 2017

  Could we end up with a members ballot between Mogg and Leadsom?

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• Benpointer Posts: 35,631

  July 2017

  justin124 said:

  aschamberlain said:

  NickPalmer said:

  The_Apocalypse said:

  >
  
  I disagree with several aspects of Blair's centrism but Corbynistas dislike centrism in general, not just merely the politics of Tony Blair.

  
  
  As a generally loyal Blairite I came to feel that we had lost that sense of purpose and that, apart from personal liking, is what appeals to me about Corbyn and McDonnell. One can never predict what will turn up in government, but if there is, for example, a new refugee crisis, I absolutely trust Corbyn to put the interests of refugees first, without first consulting a focus group to see how it might play with the public. If money is to be raised, I absolutely trust them to raise it primasrily from better-off people like me. I'm pleasantly surprised to find they make all this quite popular too.
  
  With Tony, although I still do respect him and I think Iraq was a harder call than is now generally believed, I never felt any certainty about anything except his general theme of private provision of public service, which is actually not always a "what works" doctrine at all. And with the Tories, I have no idea what they really want, except to stay in power. Which doesn't make me hate the Tories or Tony, but I don't see that they have much to offer anyone at the moment.
  

  I joined the Lib Dems in 2001 when Blair was in his pre-Iraq pomp. At the time I viewed Blair as an unprincipled managerialist and disliked him intensely. Towards the end of his term I actually started to feel sorry for him and post-Brexit I'm starting to like him a little bit!
  
  I agree that left of centre parties should have some kind of ideological underpinning. To my now more charitable mind, parts of the Blairite agenda feel like he was fumbling towards a more coherent liberal stance. I think that it's a shame for the UK that Blair's successors didn't attempt to push on towards the Orange Book liberalism that Blairism could have easily become.
  
  As for Corbyn, obviously his ideals aren't mine, but I'm not convinced that he's quite as purely idealistic as you paint him to be. The stance that Labour has taken on tuition fees seems like quite a grubby piece of political positioning to me and certainly not a policy that can be squared with progressive, redistributive politics.

  I would only consider forgiving Blair if he were to serve his sentence in the same way as Albert Speer et al.

  FPT:
  
  Wouldn't he need to be sentenced first? And prior to that, charged with something and then found guilty. Unless you are trying to be funny (in which case, your humour is completely lost on me) your comment is ridiculous!
  

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• RobD Posts: 60,708

  July 2017

  Benpointer said:

  justin124 said:

  aschamberlain said:

  NickPalmer said:

  The_Apocalypse said:

  >
  
  I disagree with several aspects of Blair's centrism but Corbynistas dislike centrism in general, not just merely the politics of Tony Blair.

  
  
  As a generally loyal Blairite I came to feel that we had lost that sense of purpose and that, apart from personal liking, is what appeals to me about Corbyn and McDonnell. One can never predict what will turn up in government, but if there is, for example, a new refugee crisis, I absolutely trust Corbyn to put the interests of refugees first, without first consulting a focus group to see how it might play with the public. If money is to be raised, I absolutely trust them to raise it primasrily from better-off people like me. I'm pleasantly surprised to find they make all this quite popular too.
  
  With Tony, although I still do respect him and I think Iraq was a harder call than is now generally believed, I never felt any certainty about anything except his general theme of private provision of public service, which is actually not always a "what works" doctrine at all. And with the Tories, I have no idea what they really want, except to stay in power. Which doesn't make me hate the Tories or Tony, but I don't see that they have much to offer anyone at the moment.
  

  I joined the Lib Dems in 2001 when Blair was in his pre-Iraq pomp. At the time I viewed Blair as an unprincipled managerialist and disliked him intensely. Towards the end of his term I actually started to feel sorry for him and post-Brexit I'm starting to like him a little bit!
  
  I agree that left of centre parties should have some kind of ideological underpinning. To my now more charitable mind, parts of the Blairite agenda feel like he was fumbling towards a more coherent liberal stance. I think that it's a shame for the UK that Blair's successors didn't attempt to push on towards the Orange Book liberalism that Blairism could have easily become.
  
  As for Corbyn, obviously his ideals aren't mine, but I'm not convinced that he's quite as purely idealistic as you paint him to be. The stance that Labour has taken on tuition fees seems like quite a grubby piece of political positioning to me and certainly not a policy that can be squared with progressive, redistributive politics.

  I would only consider forgiving Blair if he were to serve his sentence in the same way as Albert Speer et al.

  FPT:
  
  Wouldn't he need to be sentenced first? And prior to that, charged with something and then found guilty. Unless you are trying to be funny (in which case, your humour is completely lost on me) your comment is ridiculous!
  

  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

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• Jonathan Posts: 22,107

  July 2017

  Better a new volvo than a dead volvo or Leadsom, a Lada.

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  Benpointer said:

  justin124 said:

  aschamberlain said:

  NickPalmer said:

  The_Apocalypse said:

  >
  
  I disagree with several aspects of Blair's centrism but Corbynistas dislike centrism in general, not just merely the politics of Tony Blair.

  
  
  As a generally loyal Blairite I came to feel that we had lost that sense of purpose and that, apart from personal liking, is what appeals to me about Corbyn and McDonnell. One can never predict what will turn up in government, but if there is, for example, a new refugee crisis, I absolutely trust Corbyn to put the interests of refugees first, without first consulting a focus group to see how it might play with the public. If money is to be raised, I absolutely trust them to raise it primasrily from better-off people like me. I'm pleasantly surprised to find they make all this quite popular too.
  
  With Tony, although I still do respect him and I think Iraq was a harder call than is now generally believed, I never felt any certainty about anything except his general theme of private provision of public service, which is actually not always a "what works" doctrine at all. And with the Tories, I have no idea what they really want, except to stay in power. Which doesn't make me hate the Tories or Tony, but I don't see that they have much to offer anyone at the moment.
  

  I joined the Lib Dems in 2001 when Blair was in his pre-Iraq pomp. At the time I viewed Blair as an unprincipled managerialist and disliked him intensely. Towards the end of his term I actually started to feel sorry for him and post-Brexit I'm starting to like him a little bit!
  
  I agree that left of centre parties should have some kind of ideological underpinning. To my now more charitable mind, parts of the Blairite agenda feel like he was fumbling towards a more coherent liberal stance. I think that it's a shame for the UK that Blair's successors didn't attempt to push on towards the Orange Book liberalism that Blairism could have easily become.
  
  As for Corbyn, obviously his ideals aren't mine, but I'm not convinced that he's quite as purely idealistic as you paint him to be. The stance that Labour has taken on tuition fees seems like quite a grubby piece of political positioning to me and certainly not a policy that can be squared with progressive, redistributive politics.

  I would only consider forgiving Blair if he were to serve his sentence in the same way as Albert Speer et al.

  FPT:
  
  Wouldn't he need to be sentenced first? And prior to that, charged with something and then found guilty. Unless you are trying to be funny (in which case, your humour is completely lost on me) your comment is ridiculous!
  

  You're just incredibly bourgeois in your thinking comrade.

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• YBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

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• Benpointer Posts: 35,631

  July 2017

  RobD said:

  Benpointer said:

  justin124 said:

  aschamberlain said:

  NickPalmer said:

  The_Apocalypse said:

  >
  
  
  
  With Tony, although I still do respect him and I think Iraq was a harder call than is now generally believed, I never felt any certainty about anything except his general theme of private provision of public service, which is actually not always a "what works" doctrine at all. And with the Tories, I have no idea what they really want, except to stay in power. Which doesn't make me hate the Tories or Tony, but I don't see that they have much to offer anyone at the moment.
  

  I joined the Lib Dems in 2001 when Blair was in his pre-Iraq pomp. At the time I viewed Blair as an unprincipled managerialist and disliked him intensely. Towards the end of his term I actually started to feel sorry for him and post-Brexit I'm starting to like him a little bit!
  
  I agree that left of centre parties should have some kind of ideological underpinning. To my now more charitable mind, parts of the Blairite agenda feel like he was fumbling towards a more coherent liberal stance. I think that it's a shame for the UK that Blair's successors didn't attempt to push on towards the Orange Book liberalism that Blairism could have easily become.
  
  As for Corbyn, obviously his ideals aren't mine, but I'm not convinced that he's quite as purely idealistic as you paint him to be. The stance that Labour has taken on tuition fees seems like quite a grubby piece of political positioning to me and certainly not a policy that can be squared with progressive, redistributive politics.

  I would only consider forgiving Blair if he were to serve his sentence in the same way as Albert Speer et al.

  FPT:
  
  Wouldn't he need to be sentenced first? And prior to that, charged with something and then found guilty. Unless you are trying to be funny (in which case, your humour is completely lost on me) your comment is ridiculous!
  

  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  Ah ok thanks Rob... One of the things I like about this site is that most of the comments are reasonably argued and sincerely held, even if I disagree with them. I'll need to learn to ignore the few off-the-wall ones and not bother reacting.

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece who he suspected of voting Conservative.

  Your sure it wasn't disembowel?

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• AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

  July 2017

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

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• Roger Posts: 21,066

  July 2017

  A Leadsom leadership would be the only thing that would persuade me to vote for Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott instead of abstaining (ie voting Lib or Green)

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• Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

  July 2017

  Four leaders not three if Hammond is a stopgap.
  
  Cameron, May, Hammond, A.N.Other.
  
  Whoever replaces May will already be number 3.

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• RobD Posts: 60,708

  July 2017

  Benpointer said:

  
  
  Ah ok thanks Rob... One of the things I like about this site is that most of the comments are reasonably argued and sincerely held, even if I disagree with them. I'll need to learn to ignore the few off-the-wall ones and not bother reacting.

  You have a lot to learn if you want to master the art of the blockquote.

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• Nigelb Posts: 81,154

  July 2017

  Morris_Dancer said:

  That's ironic.
  
  F1: still waiting for word on Hamilton's potential penalty.
  
  If he got one, that would mean a Ferrari front row followed by Verstappen and Hulkenberg.
  
  Edited extra bit: apparently, no further action. I think that's unfair, being honest. He blocked Grosjean on a hot lap. There should be some kind of penalty. It smacks of favouritism.

  A tough one to call, particularly as it was the team's fault. Blocking penalties in qualifying have always been arbitrarily applied, though.
  
  Getting worried about Stokes in the cricket - Bairstow has (inadvertently) been hogging the strike, and Stokes is not the most patient of young cricketers...
  
  

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• Jonathan Posts: 22,107

  July 2017

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  Jo Johnson

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• Nigelb Posts: 81,154

  July 2017

  Nigelb said:

  Morris_Dancer said:

  That's ironic.
  
  F1: still waiting for word on Hamilton's potential penalty.
  
  If he got one, that would mean a Ferrari front row followed by Verstappen and Hulkenberg.
  
  Edited extra bit: apparently, no further action. I think that's unfair, being honest. He blocked Grosjean on a hot lap. There should be some kind of penalty. It smacks of favouritism.

  A tough one to call, particularly as it was the team's fault. Blocking penalties in qualifying have always been arbitrarily applied, though.
  
  Getting worried about Stokes in the cricket - Bairstow has (inadvertently) been hogging the strike, and Stokes is not the most patient of young cricketers...
  
  

  I should learn to keep my mouth shut...
  
  Stokes out.
  
  

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  Nigelb said:

  Nigelb said:

  Morris_Dancer said:

  That's ironic.
  
  F1: still waiting for word on Hamilton's potential penalty.
  
  If he got one, that would mean a Ferrari front row followed by Verstappen and Hulkenberg.
  
  Edited extra bit: apparently, no further action. I think that's unfair, being honest. He blocked Grosjean on a hot lap. There should be some kind of penalty. It smacks of favouritism.

  A tough one to call, particularly as it was the team's fault. Blocking penalties in qualifying have always been arbitrarily applied, though.
  
  Getting worried about Stokes in the cricket - Bairstow has (inadvertently) been hogging the strike, and Stokes is not the most patient of young cricketers...
  
  

  I should learn to keep my mouth shut...
  
  Stokes out.
  
  

  I get into a lot of trouble for that kind of thing.

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• Nigelb Posts: 81,154

  July 2017

  DavidL said:

  Nigelb said:

  Nigelb said:

  Morris_Dancer said:

  That's ironic.
  
  F1: still waiting for word on Hamilton's potential penalty.
  
  If he got one, that would mean a Ferrari front row followed by Verstappen and Hulkenberg.
  
  Edited extra bit: apparently, no further action. I think that's unfair, being honest. He blocked Grosjean on a hot lap. There should be some kind of penalty. It smacks of favouritism.

  A tough one to call, particularly as it was the team's fault. Blocking penalties in qualifying have always been arbitrarily applied, though.
  
  Getting worried about Stokes in the cricket - Bairstow has (inadvertently) been hogging the strike, and Stokes is not the most patient of young cricketers...
  
  

  I should learn to keep my mouth shut...
  
  Stokes out.
  
  

  I get into a lot of trouble for that kind of thing.

  Yep, I'm off to do something useful.
  
  

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• Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,894

  July 2017

  Incidentally, if anybody wants more Twitter responses, just make an innocuous comment on gender of writers. Getting rather more than anticipated.

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• williamglenn Posts: 56,314

  July 2017

  https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/886214534125555712

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  Despite the fairly overwhelming evidence to the contrary I have been assured that Dawson can bat. Now would be a good time to show that.

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• rcs1000 Posts: 61,421

  July 2017

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Isn't she something big in the Lizard conspiracy of Finchley Road?

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• dr_spyn Posts: 11,338

  July 2017

  Well she is a mother...

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• williamglenn Posts: 56,314

  July 2017

  rcs1000 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Isn't she something big in the Lizard conspiracy of Finchley Road?

  I heard her children have gills.

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• Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,894

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  F1: markets appear to be waking up so I'll start perusing.
  
  Edited extra bit: scratch that, still only half a dozen.

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017

  You can read the FT story for free by googling
  
  'Conservatives fear descent into chaotic leadership battle'

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  rcs1000 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Isn't she something big in the Lizard conspiracy of Finchley Road?

  I don't have that level of security clearance so I don't know.

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• williamglenn Posts: 56,314

  July 2017

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  You can read the FT story for free by googling
  
  'Conservatives fear descent into chaotic leadership battle'

  They make it sound bleak indeed for the Tories: "Invites to the poshest parties could dry up, with warm chardonnay replacing the flutes of champagne."

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• 619 Posts: 1,784

  July 2017

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Not with a 786 vote majority in her own seat

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• AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

  July 2017

  rcs1000 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Isn't she something big in the Lizard conspiracy of Finchley Road?

  I love that conspiracy theory. I'm bona fide linked to it, which makes me feel all paternal about it.

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  619 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Not with a 786 vote majority in her own seat

  Why not? Think of it as an incentive plan. You win and you're PM, you lose and you're unemployed.
  
  Edit. Bet it would guarantee a radically different manifesto from the last appalling effort.

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  AlastairMeeks said:

  rcs1000 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Isn't she something big in the Lizard conspiracy of Finchley Road?

  I love that conspiracy theory. I'm bona fide linked to it, which makes me feel all paternal about it.

  Doesn't someone have to kill you now? Which would be a shame.

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• AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

  July 2017

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  rcs1000 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Isn't she something big in the Lizard conspiracy of Finchley Road?

  I love that conspiracy theory. I'm bona fide linked to it, which makes me feel all paternal about it.

  Doesn't someone have to kill you now? Which would be a shame.

  Form an orderly queue.

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• williamglenn Posts: 56,314

  July 2017

  DavidL said:

  619 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Not with a 786 vote majority in her own seat

  Why not? Think of it as an incentive plan. You win and you're PM, you lose and you're unemployed.

  You could do a Chris Patten and go for the double.

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• rcs1000 Posts: 61,421

  July 2017

  AlastairMeeks said:

  rcs1000 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Isn't she something big in the Lizard conspiracy of Finchley Road?

  I love that conspiracy theory. I'm bona fide linked to it, which makes me feel all paternal about it.

  I love the way they discover a company creation business... And generate a conspiracy.
  
  It's then pointed out to be a company creation business.
  
  Which is just 'cover'.

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• RobD Posts: 60,708

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  619 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Not with a 786 vote majority in her own seat

  I don't buy this argument. For starters the opposition vote would be split more heavily given how many independents stand in the PM's constituency.

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  williamglenn said:

  DavidL said:

  619 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Not with a 786 vote majority in her own seat

  Why not? Think of it as an incentive plan. You win and you're PM, you lose and you're unemployed.

  You could do a Chris Patten and go for the double.

  I just think a campaign led by someone in that position might be a tad more focussed than Mrs May's effort. Mind you there are interstellar clouds in distant galaxies which are more focussed than she was. Having one of the largest majorities in the country seems to produce an unacceptable degree of complacency. Maybe the reverse is worth a go.

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• FF43 Posts: 18,271

  July 2017

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  It has to be someone who is unassociated with Brexit on either side of the debate and also with the chaos within the May regime caused by it. Eliminating therefore Leadsom, Johnson, Gove, Davis, Hammond, Rudd (probably). It will be someone who loyally supported Remain when Cameron was in charge, happily supported Leave when May was leader and comfortable with switching positions again as reality bites. In the cabinet I can only see Javid or Hunt. I think Hunt has issues, so my vote goes to Javid. Otherwise we are looking outside the cabinet.

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  FF43 said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  It has to be someone who is unassociated with Brexit on either side of the debate and also with the chaos within the May regime caused by it. Eliminating therefore Leadsom, Johnson, Gove, Davis, Hammond, Rudd (probably). It will be someone who loyally supported Remain when Cameron was in charge, happily supported Leave when May was leader and comfortable with switching positions again as reality bites. In the cabinet I can only see Javid or Hunt. I think Hunt has issues, so my vote goes to Javid. Otherwise we are looking outside the cabinet.

  The only thing I can remember Javid doing to date is telling a very funny joke about condoms. Oh, and his dad was a bus driver, apparently. As a CV its a tad thin....

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• OldKingCole Posts: 35,694

  July 2017

  FF43 said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  It has to be someone who is unassociated with Brexit on either side of the debate and also with the chaos within the May regime caused by it. Eliminating therefore Leadsom, Johnson, Gove, Davis, Hammond, Rudd (probably). It will be someone who loyally supported Remain when Cameron was in charge, happily supported Leave when May was leader and comfortable with switching positions again as reality bites. In the cabinet I can only see Javid or Hunt. I think Hunt has issues, so my vote goes to Javid. Otherwise we are looking outside the cabinet.

  If Leadsoms the answer, it’s a silly question.

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• justin124 Posts: 11,527

  July 2017

  FPT
  justin124 said:
  
  » show previous quotes
  ' I would only consider forgiving Blair if he were to serve his sentence in the same way as Albert Speer et al.'
  
  Benpointer said:
  'Wouldn't he need to be sentenced first? And prior to that, charged with something and then found guilty. Unless you are trying to be funny (in which case, your humour is completely lost on me) your comment is ridiculous!'
  
  The political establishment knows how to look after its own. By any objective standard Blair - with Bush - was more guilty of the Nuremberg Indictment relating to 'Planning for war' than any of the Nazi leaders presented to it - with the possible exception of Ribbentrop.

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• DecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

  July 2017

  619 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Not with a 786 vote majority in her own seat

  Amber Rudd's wafer-thin majority is easily fixed -- if she becomes leader, she can transfer to the vacant seat of Maidenhead, where Theresa May will not be standing.

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  OldKingCole said:

  FF43 said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  It has to be someone who is unassociated with Brexit on either side of the debate and also with the chaos within the May regime caused by it. Eliminating therefore Leadsom, Johnson, Gove, Davis, Hammond, Rudd (probably). It will be someone who loyally supported Remain when Cameron was in charge, happily supported Leave when May was leader and comfortable with switching positions again as reality bites. In the cabinet I can only see Javid or Hunt. I think Hunt has issues, so my vote goes to Javid. Otherwise we are looking outside the cabinet.

  If Leadsoms the answer, it’s a silly question.

  These truths we hold to be self evident...

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• stevef Posts: 1,044

  July 2017

  Andrea leadsom would be a catastrophic choice and would ensure Tory defeat at the next election.

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• justin124 Posts: 11,527

  July 2017

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

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• justin124 Posts: 11,527

  July 2017

  619 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Not with a 786 vote majority in her own seat

  Rudd's majority was actually less than 400.

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• geoffw Posts: 9,243

  July 2017

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

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• FF43 Posts: 18,271

  July 2017

  DavidL said:

  FF43 said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  It has to be someone who is unassociated with Brexit on either side of the debate and also with the chaos within the May regime caused by it. Eliminating therefore Leadsom, Johnson, Gove, Davis, Hammond, Rudd (probably). It will be someone who loyally supported Remain when Cameron was in charge, happily supported Leave when May was leader and comfortable with switching positions again as reality bites. In the cabinet I can only see Javid or Hunt. I think Hunt has issues, so my vote goes to Javid. Otherwise we are looking outside the cabinet.

  The only thing I can remember Javid doing to date is telling a very funny joke about condoms. Oh, and his dad was a bus driver, apparently. As a CV its a tad thin....

  Sounds good to me. The less baggage the better

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• Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,894

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  F1: anyway, whilst we wait, if you backed Raikkonen for podium at 3.3 or so earlier today, he can now be hedging at 1.7, if you're so inclined.
  
  Edited extra bit: hedged* even.

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• justin124 Posts: 11,527

  July 2017

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

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• YBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

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• surbiton Posts: 13,549

  July 2017

  Who does Andrea Loathsome think she is ?

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• justin124 Posts: 11,527

  July 2017

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

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• NickPalmer Posts: 21,789

  July 2017

  DavidL said:

  
  
  The only thing I can remember Javid doing to date is telling a very funny joke about condoms. Oh, and his dad was a bus driver, apparently. As a CV its a tad thin....

  He's been reasonably coherent and properly concerned about the tower block fire.

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• OldKingCole Posts: 35,694

  July 2017

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  You would be surprised at the gossip in familes about a wealthy and eccentric relative.

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• TwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538

  July 2017

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  I bet she's overjoyed to have you as an uncle.

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• Recidivist Posts: 4,679

  July 2017

  surbiton said:

  Who does Andrea Loathsome think she is ?

  Andrea Leadsom presumably.

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• Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,894

  July 2017

  F1: nothing springs to mind at all. On the plus side, if you followed everything I mentioned before third practice, you're already ahead for the weekend.

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• Recidivist Posts: 4,679

  July 2017

  OldKingCole said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  You would be surprised at the gossip in familes about a wealthy and eccentric relative.

  I turn my back for five minutes and PB turns into a Trollope novel.

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• Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,894

  July 2017

  Mr. Recidivist, fret not, some of us are keeping true to the important business of differential front end grip.

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  People are so cynical...

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• 619 Posts: 1,784

  July 2017

  RobD said:

  619 said:

  DavidL said:

  AlastairMeeks said:

  I don't really see an alternative at present to Boris Johnson, for all his many flaws. That's how desperate things have got for the Conservatives. Someone has to be able to move positions nimbly in response to rapidly changing events. I don't see any others with the necessary fleetness of foot.

  What about Amber Rudd? I don't know a lot about her to be honest but she seems to handle interviews reasonably well.

  Not with a 786 vote majority in her own seat

  I don't buy this argument. For starters the opposition vote would be split more heavily given how many independents stand in the PM's constituency.

  Or they all vote for the closest competion to get rid of her tactically.

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• justin124 Posts: 11,527

  July 2017

  OldKingCole said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  You would be surprised at the gossip in familes about a wealthy and eccentric relative.

  As it happens 75% of my estate is destined for various charities!

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017

  https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/886156643251216384

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• OldKingCole Posts: 35,694

  July 2017

  justin124 said:

  OldKingCole said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  You would be surprised at the gossip in familes about a wealthy and eccentric relative.

  As it happens 75% of my estate is destined for various charities!

  The Friends of Elderly Islington Jam Makers?

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• justin124 Posts: 11,527

  July 2017

  OldKingCole said:

  justin124 said:

  OldKingCole said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  You would be surprised at the gossip in familes about a wealthy and eccentric relative.

  As it happens 75% of my estate is destined for various charities!

  The Friends of Elderly Islington Jam Makers?

  I am not a Corbyn fan.

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

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• DavidL Posts: 56,384

  July 2017

  Truly shocking performance with the bat (Root apart) from England. This test is lost.

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• Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,894

  July 2017

  Mr. Eagles, circumflex*.

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• Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,234

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  Just catching up and this thread demonstrates exactly why Theresa May will stay in post for Brexit.
  
  As a party member I would not vote for Leadsom, Boris, Hammond, or Hunt. In a forced contest it would be between Davis and Rudd but the party needs time. The Brexit story will bring up winners and losers for all parties and in two years a star may arise to change the narrative.
  
  For shear fun Jacob Rees Mogg v Corbyn at PMQ's would be box office.
  
  

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017

  Morris_Dancer said:

  Mr. Eagles, circumflex*.

  Accent circonflexe is the French name, in English it is 'little hat.'
  
  Educating you on all matters is a full time job!

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• OldKingCole Posts: 35,694

  July 2017

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

  You can demonstrate the versatility of your keyboard skills, or cut and past from Wikipedia.
  

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• Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,234

  July 2017

  justin124 said:

  OldKingCole said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  You would be surprised at the gossip in familes about a wealthy and eccentric relative.

  As it happens 75% of my estate is destined for various charities!

  Well my charity is and will always be my family

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017

  If you wanted (further) proof that IDS is a hypocritical bellend who is thick as pigshit.....
  
  https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/886170945123168256

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

  You can demonstrate the versatility of your keyboard skills, or cut and past from Wikipedia.
  

  One of the joys of an iPhone is that they let you use foreign language symbols.

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017

  Read the article in full earlier, absolute must read. I did warn PBers at the time this sort of stuff was going on....
  
  https://twitter.com/rcolvile/status/886124133381283840

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• OldKingCole Posts: 35,694

  July 2017

  DavidL said:

  Truly shocking performance with the bat (Root apart) from England. This test is lost.

  England Women are doing well, though.

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• Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,234

  July 2017

  MyBurningEars said:

  NickPalmer said:

  DavidL said:

  
  
  The only thing I can remember Javid doing to date is telling a very funny joke about condoms. Oh, and his dad was a bus driver, apparently. As a CV its a tad thin....

  He's been reasonably coherent and properly concerned about the tower block fire.

  For whatever reasons, you get a lot of stick on here Nick - but when you say something fair-to-the-point-of-nice about Javid, who is surely not "your kind of Tory", goodness knows why.

  I find Nick very fair even though I have an opposite view on politics.

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• RobD Posts: 60,708

  July 2017

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

  You can demonstrate the versatility of your keyboard skills, or cut and past from Wikipedia.
  

  One of the joys of an iPhone is that they let you use foreign language symbols.

  The iphone feature is also on the mac, just hold down the key and it brings up a pop up to select from the different accents. Very handy, although as a physicist I am annoyed that h-bar isn't selectable.
  
  

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• justin124 Posts: 11,527

  July 2017

  Big_G_NorthWales said:

  justin124 said:

  OldKingCole said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  You would be surprised at the gossip in familes about a wealthy and eccentric relative.

  As it happens 75% of my estate is destined for various charities!

  Well my charity is and will always be my family

  That is fair enough. However, I am not really a believer in inherited wealth on any great scale, and am leaving open the option of changing my will so as bequeath 100% to charities.

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017

  RobD said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

  You can demonstrate the versatility of your keyboard skills, or cut and past from Wikipedia.
  

  One of the joys of an iPhone is that they let you use foreign language symbols.

  The iphone feature is also on the mac, just hold down the key and it brings up a pop up to select from the different accents. Very handy, although as a physicist I am annoyed that h-bar isn't selectable.
  
  

  And the iPad too.
  
  I'm sure if you ask Apple they'll add it, eventually.

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• OldKingCole Posts: 35,694

  July 2017

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

  You can demonstrate the versatility of your keyboard skills, or cut and past from Wikipedia.
  

  One of the joys of an iPhone is that they let you use foreign language symbols.

  Indeed; I am about to upgrade my 5s. Probably to a 7.
  
  Only trouble is I have to upgrade my wife’s similarly and at the same time.

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

  You can demonstrate the versatility of your keyboard skills, or cut and past from Wikipedia.
  

  One of the joys of an iPhone is that they let you use foreign language symbols.

  Indeed; I am about to upgrade my 5s. Probably to a 7.
  
  Only trouble is I have to upgrade my wife’s similarly and at the same time.

  I love my 7.
  
  If you can wait a couple of months, the next iPhone should be out then.

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• RobD Posts: 60,708

  July 2017

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

  You can demonstrate the versatility of your keyboard skills, or cut and past from Wikipedia.
  

  One of the joys of an iPhone is that they let you use foreign language symbols.

  Indeed; I am about to upgrade my 5s. Probably to a 7.
  
  Only trouble is I have to upgrade my wife’s similarly and at the same time.

  I don't think I'll ever upgrade due to the lack of a headphone port. Similarly unimpressed with their latest laptops, which have that stupid gimmick touch bar at the top.

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• GIN1138 Posts: 22,949

  July 2017

  Go Andrea!!!!!!!!!!!

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  RobD said:

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

  You can demonstrate the versatility of your keyboard skills, or cut and past from Wikipedia.
  

  One of the joys of an iPhone is that they let you use foreign language symbols.

  Indeed; I am about to upgrade my 5s. Probably to a 7.
  
  Only trouble is I have to upgrade my wife’s similarly and at the same time.

  I don't think I'll ever upgrade due to the lack of a headphone port. Similarly unimpressed with their latest laptops, which have that stupid gimmick touch bar at the top.

  You get an adaptor that will allow the 3.5mm jack to work.
  
  Anyhoo, bluetooth headphones are the future.

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• Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,234

  July 2017

  justin124 said:

  Big_G_NorthWales said:

  justin124 said:

  OldKingCole said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  You would be surprised at the gossip in familes about a wealthy and eccentric relative.

  As it happens 75% of my estate is destined for various charities!

  Well my charity is and will always be my family

  That is fair enough. However, I am not really a believer in inherited wealth on any great scale, and am leaving open the option of changing my will so as bequeath 100% to charities.

  Justin - you have every right to your opinion on inherited wealth which I respect but why would I leave my estate to a charity who may or may not use the money wisely rather than your family who can then decide how they wish to use it.

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• RobD Posts: 60,708

  July 2017

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  RobD said:

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  OldKingCole said:

  TheScreamingEagles said:

  BTW - Do you like me making PB look all classy by doing a headline entirely in French replete with accent circonflexe?

  You can demonstrate the versatility of your keyboard skills, or cut and past from Wikipedia.
  

  One of the joys of an iPhone is that they let you use foreign language symbols.

  Indeed; I am about to upgrade my 5s. Probably to a 7.
  
  Only trouble is I have to upgrade my wife’s similarly and at the same time.

  I don't think I'll ever upgrade due to the lack of a headphone port. Similarly unimpressed with their latest laptops, which have that stupid gimmick touch bar at the top.

  You get an adaptor that will allow the 3.5mm jack to work.
  
  Anyhoo, bluetooth headphones are the future.

  grumble grumble

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• Nigelb Posts: 81,154

  July 2017

  Morris_Dancer said:

  Incidentally, if anybody wants more Twitter responses, just make an innocuous comment on gender of writers. Getting rather more than anticipated.

  Did you learn nothing from Mr Hammond's experience with his 'innocuous' comment about the gender of train drivers, Mr.D ?

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• OldKingCole Posts: 35,694

  July 2017

  Nigelb said:

  Morris_Dancer said:

  Incidentally, if anybody wants more Twitter responses, just make an innocuous comment on gender of writers. Getting rather more than anticipated.

  Did you learn nothing from Mr Hammond's experience with his 'innocuous' comment about the gender of train drivers, Mr.D ?

  They don’t have to park trains, though.

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• felix Posts: 15,180

  July 2017

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  How can you be sure?

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• Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,894

  July 2017

  Mr. B, I erroneously thought it'd be uncontroversial to say writers should be judged on the quality of their writing and nobody should be discriminated against.
  
  Mr. Eagles, the Latin predates the French, though I'm not surprised by your lack of Roman knowledge.

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• felix Posts: 15,180

  July 2017

  surbiton said:

  Who does Andrea Loathsome think she is ?

  Dunno - as thick as Diane Abacus perhaps?

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• Benpointer Posts: 35,631

  July 2017

  Big_G_NorthWales said:

  justin124 said:

  Big_G_NorthWales said:

  justin124 said:

  OldKingCole said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  justin124 said:

  geoffw said:

  justin124 said:

  YBarddCwsc said:

  RobD said:

  
  
  Justin has a habit of wishing that people were maimed/dead.

  If I recollect, he has a streak of kindness.
  
  He was only planning to disinherit his niece whom he suspected of voting Conservative.

  As it happens, she didn't in the end so her legacy is safe.

  You can't be sure unless you watched her fill in and post a PV.
  

  That is the case with all voters. I am relying on what her parents reported - both of whom did vote Tory.

  But surely her parents will want to protect her valuable legacy ....
  
  NIECE: "Of course, Uncle Justin, I voted for Corby. Just ask Mam and Dad"
  
  BROTHER-IN-LAW. "Oh yes, Justin, she voted Labour all right" (winks at niece)." No need to call the solicitor to change the will."

  None of them have any idea that she has one coming from me!

  You would be surprised at the gossip in familes about a wealthy and eccentric relative.

  As it happens 75% of my estate is destined for various charities!

  Well my charity is and will always be my family

  That is fair enough. However, I am not really a believer in inherited wealth on any great scale, and am leaving open the option of changing my will so as bequeath 100% to charities.

  Justin - you have every right to your opinion on inherited wealth which I respect but why would I leave my estate to a charity who may or may not use the money wisely rather than your family who can then decide how they wish to use it.

  I can see why from your point of view that is the right thing to do BigG but on a macro level I do think inheritied wealth has a corrosive influence on society; it entrenches inequality across the generations. I think the only answer is to tax inheritance, which we do of course, but the very wealthy find all sorts of ways to bypass that. Wish I knew the answer.

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  Morris_Dancer said:

  Mr. B, I erroneously thought it'd be uncontroversial to say writers should be judged on the quality of their writing and nobody should be discriminated against.
  
  Mr. Eagles, the Latin predates the French, though I'm not surprised by your lack of Roman knowledge.

  I have an A* in Latin when GCSEs were difficult.

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• Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,894

  July 2017

  Mr. Eagles, errant apostrophe there. Should've paid more attention to your English

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• TheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,774

  July 2017 edited July 2017

  felix said:

  surbiton said:

  Who does Andrea Loathsome think she is ?

  Dunno - as thick as Diane Abacus perhaps?

  Careful, Owen Jones will be calling you a racist and if Corbyn becomes PM you'll be going to the gulag for that.

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