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CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

Putin's eight years will be up again in 2020. Will he go back to being PM for a term, then reassume the presidency?

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....

RobD said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

Putin's eight years will be up again in 2020. Will he go back to being PM for a term, then reassume the presidency?

Shush! Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish............

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....

So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

The skills needed to win power in a democracy aren't necessarily identical to those needed to wield it well.

As Corbyn fans might one day discover.

In other news (is there other news? -ed.) what may be the most important election next week:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/08/after-andrew-tyrie-race-next-commons-inquisitor-general-treasury-select-committee

In other news.....

https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/883676624075542529

felix said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....

So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

Get over it.

I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.

But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....

CarlottaVance said:

felix said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....

So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

Get over it.

I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.

But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....

The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

logical_song said:

CarlottaVance said:

felix said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....

So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

Get over it.

I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.

But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....

The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.

And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .

MarkSenior said:

logical_song said:

CarlottaVance said:

felix said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....

So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

Get over it.

I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.

But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....

The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.

And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .

Like they were bound never to win a majority again before 2015?

SquareRoot said:

So its going to be May is crap threads from now on...

Make a change from AV.....

Good morning, everyone.

F1: my plan to wait for the classified markets on Ladbrokes didn't work, due to them still not appearing.

I can only imagine that a lot of people spotted the Vettel 8, Bottas 7, Perez 5 mistakes from last race and they're leaving them off for now, at least.

Bit frustrated, but there we are.

felix said:

... the relentness anti-Tory negativity here since Brexit is a shame.

The so-called negativity comes from mainly Conservative contributors wondering how the party can recover.

logical_song said:

felix said:

MarkSenior said:

logical_song said:

CarlottaVance said:

felix said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....

So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

Get over it.

I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.

But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....

The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.

And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .

If recent years have taught us anything it should be that those sort of predictions are pretty stupid.

I contend that it was not stupid to suggest that the SNP could not maintain 56 out of 59 Westminster seats while at the same time being in power in Holyrood.
I'd contend that it was just common sense.

But didn't SNP losses far exceed most 'worst case' scenarios? Let alone the roll call of the SNP great & good turfed out by the electorate....and those surviving on wafer thin majorities.....

AlastairMeeks said:

archer101au said:

It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.

Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.

MarkSenior said:

logical_song said:

CarlottaVance said:

felix said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....

So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

Get over it.

I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.

But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....

The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.

And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .

After the events of the last two years, I'm unsure any of the old certainties still apply.

Nick Cohen:

This ought to be the moment when the opposition exposes a chaotic and purblind government. If Corbyn’s decision to go absent without leave during the referendum campaign did not convince you he wanted out of the EU because it stood in the way of the creation of socialism in one country, surely the feebleness of Labour opposition’s will convince you that no fight back is coming. Labour pretends with true Johnsonian dishonesty it can have its EU cake and eat it. It refuses to support leaving the EU but staying in the single market, because the great anti-racist party wants to bar EU migrants. Like May, it is not telling its anti-immigrant supporters the truth that leaving the single market will hit manufacturing workers the hardest and crush the aspirations of the young.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/09/brexit-salvations-illusory

tlg86 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

archer101au said:

It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.

Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.

In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.

tlg86 said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

tlg86 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

archer101au said:

It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.

Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.

In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.

Well if that's the problem, the only solution would be for a new leader to call another election.

Repeating the same experiment in the expectation of achieving a different outcome is the definition of........

Sean_F said:

tlg86 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

archer101au said:

It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.

Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.

Hammond as PM would simply be May without the charisma.

He has a degree of realism about Brexit, unlike May. That's a problem amongst elements of his party that don't share his realism. On the other hand Brexit is the looming issue that's going to hit in 18 months time.

FF43 said:

PeterC said:

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there

I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.

May is very poor, but ...

Labour manifesto - no one will be worse off, and the young/middle-aged will be better off. The fat cats take all the cream. We'll take some back

Tory manifesto - we're going to make you worse off, especially the old gits. The fat cats need their cream

Neither of these assertions was seriously challenged.

Corbyn is a friend of terrorists? Oh, that was years ago, long before the young 'uns were born. He's a Trot? Yeah, but that has a rebellious ring to it.

May is a boring robot who can't think on her feet? That came over very well, and she's a frit robot who runs from a challenge.

Only the privileged old 'uns voted Tory, the generation that grew up living in luxury.

On that basis, it's a small miracle that they won most seats. When Jezza can't win with a perfect storm like that, he'll never be PM.

OldKingCole said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FF43 said:

PeterC said:

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there

I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.

Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.

Obama (Gary McKinnon) and Abu Qatada.....

foxinsoxuk said:

FF43 said:

PeterC said:

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there

I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.

She survived in a place that is known as the graveyard of political careers. That is an achievement of sorts. Her essential skill was to keep her head down and not to attract incoming fire. She also made herself an enigmatic personality so that at the right time others could project their best hopes and expectations onto her. No one seemed to figure out that this alone fell so far short of what was required to be PM. As far as I recall no one said that TM is definitely the wrong person to be PM and xxxxx ought to be PM instead.

PeterC said:

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

The skills needed as PM far exceed her limited abilities. A new leader would almost certainly have more credibility, but there is a trade off between the risks of a leadership election while the A50 clock ticks, and the folly of continuing with a lame duck PM of limited ability, a control freak in charge of a fluid and uncontrolled situation.

I reckon a new leadership contest is less risky, but no one (except perhaps JRM) wants to be holding the poisoned chalice of Brexit.

FF43 said:

PeterC said:

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there

A better reply to a good comment.
A couple of things I'd add - she seems also to display pretty awful judgment when she finally gets around to making a decision, and her people skills are severely lacking.

Apart from all of that, she's fine....

foxinsoxuk said:

OldKingCole said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FF43 said:

PeterC said:

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there

I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.

Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.

I reckon that her attack on the Police Federation was what did for her majority.

After London Bridge the police were the heroes, and those videos of police complaining of cuts were viral.

Be careful who you make enemies of on the way up, you will meet them again on the way down.

I agree. Even if you have to deliver cuts, or any other unwelcome news, always keep a civil tongue in your head.

Mr. F, I forget the precise quote (think it's old Chinese) but there's one about always being polite as a universal virtue. If someone's a friend, you don't want to upset them, and if someone's an enemy you don't want them to suspect their destruction.

Matt.....the Brexit diet:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEPndV9XUAAlnTp.jpg

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. F, I forget the precise quote (think it's old Chinese) but there's one about always being polite as a universal virtue. If someone's a friend, you don't want to upset them, and if someone's an enemy you don't want them to suspect their destruction.

There's no downside to being polite, even when your essentially saying "No."

felix said:

OldKingCole said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FF43 said:

PeterC said:

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there

I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.

Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.

Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!

There are times when you have no choice but to upset people. But, one should avoid doing it needlessly. And one should choose one's enemies with care. It's fine to piss off groups like the NUT. One should avoid pissing off sensible teachers like Ydoethur.

felix said:

OldKingCole said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FF43 said:

PeterC said:

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there

I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.

Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.

Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!

Looking after consumers (which has rather a Blairite, New Labour, Third Way ring to it) should not involve, and is certainly not the same as, upsetting producers.

CarlottaVance said:

felix said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....

So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

Get over it.

I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.

But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....

It may actually be Corbyn. Let's see how the seats look in Scotland after the next GE. Labour could very easily be the biggest party there once more.

Its Despicable me and despicable him....

(Message to picture ed-great photo)

felix said:

OldKingCole said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FF43 said:

PeterC said:

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there

I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.

Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.

Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!

Looking out for the consumer does no involve rendering the service they use unfit for purpose.

DecrepitJohnL said:

tlg86 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

archer101au said:

It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.

Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.

In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.

That doesn't matter to any but political obsessives.

The impact that a lack of a majority may have on Brexit could have an impact, but most people don't really care. They just want to government to do what ever the government does and stop bothering them. They'll think about it again in 5 years time.

It's why the polls aren't really moving. At the moment, 40%+ think Theresa May is a bit meh, but better than the alternative. And a larger percentage say that Corbyn is not so bad/like the wish-fulfilling promises he makes/like to back a perceived "winner".

There is no reason for anything to change until the narrative does

Sean_F said:

tlg86 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

archer101au said:

It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

Not updated in nigh on a month.....

Meanwhile, at the G20:

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.

Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.

Hammond as PM would simply be May without the charisma.

+1

Charles said:

CarlottaVance said:

In other news.....

https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/883676624075542529

I've just read the statement. What are people objecting to? It's seems very reasonable to me, but presumably it didn't check some box or other?

I suppose it is the DUP toxification factor. Being positive about pride and sucking up to the DUP the same month.

SouthamObserver said:

felix said:

OldKingCole said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FF43 said:

PeterC said:

It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there

I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.

Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.

Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!

Looking out for the consumer does no involve rendering the service they use unfit for purpose.

Indeed, good leadership involves uniting service users, staff and delivery in common cause, not pitting factions against each other.

tlg86 said:

Vince Cable: "I can see Brexit not happening."

I haven't been a vince fan, but there was some good stuff in his interview there, and a lot of sense.

The big change after the GE is at least the possibility of a route to no Brexit, as I have been arguing for some time. The LibDems are sufficiently typecast on Brexit that it doesn't do any harm for Vince to come out ahead of the curve.