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edited July 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » At last! Mr. Trump shakes hands with a leader who has worse leader ratings than he does – Mrs. May

One of the most worrying features for Mrs. May following her failed GE17 gamble and her determination to stay in the job has been the sharp move downwards in her leader ratings. Whether the format has been about favourability, satisfaction, approval or doing well/badly she has seen a very sharp reversal since June 8th.

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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    I think there is a word missing from the
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    JohnLoony said:

    I think there is a word missing from the

    Thanks John. Fixed
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Third like Scottish Labour :smiley:
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    Putin's eight years will be up again in 2020. Will he go back to being PM for a term, then reassume the presidency?
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    RobD said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    Putin's eight years will be up again in 2020. Will he go back to being PM for a term, then reassume the presidency?
    It's a six year term now and elections are next year. Putin is eligible to be a candidate.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    RobD said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    Putin's eight years will be up again in 2020. Will he go back to being PM for a term, then reassume the presidency?

    Shush! Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish Theresa May is Rubbish............
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,359
    edited July 2017

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    The skills needed to win power in a democracy aren't necessarily identical to those needed to wield it well.

    As Corbyn fans might one day discover.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    RobD said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    Putin's eight years will be up again in 2020. Will he go back to being PM for a term, then reassume the presidency?
    It's a six year term now and elections are next year. Putin is eligible to be a candidate.
    Still limited to two consecutive terms though?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    In other news (is there other news? -ed.) what may be the most important election next week:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/08/after-andrew-tyrie-race-next-commons-inquisitor-general-treasury-select-committee
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    I wouldn't say getting 42% of the vote is rubbish
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    Yup - she got the most seats and now has a majority. Very difficult times ahead but it's not clear in the short-term that there is a legitimate viable alternative. I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail. Interestingly here in Spain where there has been more severe austerity for the public sector the economy is doing very well. Being part of the euro meant there really had to be wage cuts and labour reform rather than devaluation to cope with the crisis.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,040
    edited July 2017
    Which all goes to show that British politics are somewhat of a mess at the moment. When Uncle Vince and Sister Jo take over the LD’s, will the situation improve? Two normally sensible people at the top of what is still a significant political party will be a nice change.

    Although Vince didn’t cover himself with glory over Royal Mail privatisation. Which he shouldn’t have agreed to anyway!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,359

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    I wouldn't say getting 42% of the vote is rubbish
    PB'ers weren't saying that when the site consensus was the inevitability of Corbyn polling below 30%
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,724

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    They'd likely lose even more seats if there was an election any time soon.
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    edited July 2017
    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    Agreed. the relentness anti-Tory negativity here since Brexit is a shame. The progress in Scotland was pretty stunning by any standard. Some of it may be connected with the singular failure of the LDs to make any progress with the Farron strategy and the lack of any serious leadership contest in the offing. Meanwhile the treatment of moderate /Jewish MPs in Corbyn's Labour party is also largely ignored. As I sadi before from the outside looking in the UK looks pretty scary to this moderate Tory.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,040
    RobD said:

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    They'd likely lose even more seats if there was an election any time soon.
    They had a ‘big breakthough’ twenty years ago, then lost most of those seats but came back again. I don’t think Scottish Nationalism will EVER go away.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .
    Like they were bound never to win a majority again before 2015? :smiley:
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    So its going to be May is crap threads from now on...
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,040

    So its going to be May is crap threads from now on...

    Make a change from AV.....
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    archer101auarcher101au Posts: 1,612
    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .
    If recent years have taught us anything it should be that those sort of predictions are pretty stupid.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    PB'ers never tired of JCICWNBPM threads...
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: my plan to wait for the classified markets on Ladbrokes didn't work, due to them still not appearing.

    I can only imagine that a lot of people spotted the Vettel 8, Bottas 7, Perez 5 mistakes from last race and they're leaving them off for now, at least.

    Bit frustrated, but there we are.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,724
    felix said:

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .
    If recent years have taught us anything it should be that those sort of predictions are pretty stupid.
    I contend that it was not stupid to suggest that the SNP could not maintain 56 out of 59 Westminster seats while at the same time being in power in Holyrood.
    I'd contend that it was just common sense.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    felix said:

    ... the relentness anti-Tory negativity here since Brexit is a shame.

    The so-called negativity comes from mainly Conservative contributors wondering how the party can recover.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785

    felix said:

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .
    If recent years have taught us anything it should be that those sort of predictions are pretty stupid.
    I contend that it was not stupid to suggest that the SNP could not maintain 56 out of 59 Westminster seats while at the same time being in power in Holyrood.
    I'd contend that it was just common sense.
    But didn't SNP losses far exceed most 'worst case' scenarios? Let alone the roll call of the SNP great & good turfed out by the electorate....and those surviving on wafer thin majorities.....
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    F1: got some potential bets in mind. Going to run quickly through the markets in case anything's changed, though I don't think it has.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,196

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    Hammond as PM would simply be May without the charisma.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .
    After the events of the last two years, I'm unsure any of the old certainties still apply.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,953
    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    Yup. This.

    And for those reasons Hammond won't be PM.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    Nick Cohen:

    This ought to be the moment when the opposition exposes a chaotic and purblind government. If Corbyn’s decision to go absent without leave during the referendum campaign did not convince you he wanted out of the EU because it stood in the way of the creation of socialism in one country, surely the feebleness of Labour opposition’s will convince you that no fight back is coming. Labour pretends with true Johnsonian dishonesty it can have its EU cake and eat it. It refuses to support leaving the EU but staying in the single market, because the great anti-racist party wants to bar EU migrants. Like May, it is not telling its anti-immigrant supporters the truth that leaving the single market will hit manufacturing workers the hardest and crush the aspirations of the young.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/09/brexit-salvations-illusory
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,770
    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,196

    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.
    Well if that's the problem, the only solution would be for a new leader to call another election.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.
    Well if that's the problem, the only solution would be for a new leader to call another election.
    Repeating the same experiment in the expectation of achieving a different outcome is the definition of........
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.
    Well if that's the problem, the only solution would be for a new leader to call another election.
    LOL you think that's a solution , now? just after doing a deal with the DUP?... Next GE is likely to be 2022 IMHO.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,770
    Sean_F said:

    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    Hammond as PM would simply be May without the charisma.
    He has a degree of realism about Brexit, unlike May. That's a problem amongst elements of his party that don't share his realism. On the other hand Brexit is the looming issue that's going to hit in 18 months time.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Betting Post

    F1: offered two (or three, depending how you count things) tips on an intriguingly poised race in Austria. Will it be springtime for Verstappen, and winter for Massa and Stroll?
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/austria-pre-race-2017.html
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,196

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.
    Well if that's the problem, the only solution would be for a new leader to call another election.
    LOL you think that's a solution , now? just after doing a deal with the DUP?... Next GE is likely to be 2022 IMHO.
    No, I don't think it would be clever for the Tories to engineer another election (though I think the polls show more people were in favour of another election than against). What I was getting at is that the complaints against May is that she performed badly in the GE and lost the Tories their majority. Well, if that's what's wrong, then the only way to fix that is to have another election. Of course, they might not necessarily do much better in a rerun.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    May is very poor, but ...

    Labour manifesto - no one will be worse off, and the young/middle-aged will be better off. The fat cats take all the cream. We'll take some back

    Tory manifesto - we're going to make you worse off, especially the old gits. The fat cats need their cream

    Neither of these assertions was seriously challenged.

    Corbyn is a friend of terrorists? Oh, that was years ago, long before the young 'uns were born. He's a Trot? Yeah, but that has a rebellious ring to it.

    May is a boring robot who can't think on her feet? That came over very well, and she's a frit robot who runs from a challenge.

    Only the privileged old 'uns voted Tory, the generation that grew up living in luxury.

    On that basis, it's a small miracle that they won most seats. When Jezza can't win with a perfect storm like that, he'll never be PM.


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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,040

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Obama (Gary McKinnon) and Abu Qatada.....

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    freetochoosefreetochoose Posts: 1,107
    May epitomises the Conservative Party, they stand for nothing beyond power. I asked the pb tories last week what they stood for, all I got back was some mumbling about stable govt, whatever that means.

    Brexit?
    Grammar schools?
    Living wage?
    Immigration?
    Fox hunting?

    They have no principles, May is their ideal leader.
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    She survived in a place that is known as the graveyard of political careers. That is an achievement of sorts. Her essential skill was to keep her head down and not to attract incoming fire. She also made herself an enigmatic personality so that at the right time others could project their best hopes and expectations onto her. No one seemed to figure out that this alone fell so far short of what was required to be PM. As far as I recall no one said that TM is definitely the wrong person to be PM and xxxxx ought to be PM instead.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,770

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    The aim of most home secretaries is to achieve nothing. To be fair to Mrs May, she did that more successfully than most.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    PeterC said:



    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    The skills needed as PM far exceed her limited abilities. A new leader would almost certainly have more credibility, but there is a trade off between the risks of a leadership election while the A50 clock ticks, and the folly of continuing with a lame duck PM of limited ability, a control freak in charge of a fluid and uncontrolled situation.

    I reckon a new leadership contest is less risky, but no one (except perhaps JRM) wants to be holding the poisoned chalice of Brexit.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,040

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Obama (Gary McKinnon) and Abu Qatada.....

    TBH I thought she did the right thing by McKinnon.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,776
    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    A better reply to a good comment.
    A couple of things I'd add - she seems also to display pretty awful judgment when she finally gets around to making a decision, and her people skills are severely lacking.

    Apart from all of that, she's fine....

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    I reckon that her attack on the Police Federation was what did for her majority.

    After London Bridge the police were the heroes, and those videos of police complaining of cuts were viral.

    Be careful who you make enemies of on the way up, you will meet them again on the way down.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    I reckon that her attack on the Police Federation was what did for her majority.

    After London Bridge the police were the heroes, and those videos of police complaining of cuts were viral.

    Be careful who you make enemies of on the way up, you will meet them again on the way down.
    I agree. Even if you have to deliver cuts, or any other unwelcome news, always keep a civil tongue in your head.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mike - we all know your and TSE's views on this. Most of the threads aren't saying anything new. There are more interesting topics to write about!
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    JRM would be my choice
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    I reckon that her attack on the Police Federation was what did for her majority.

    After London Bridge the police were the heroes, and those videos of police complaining of cuts were viral.

    Be careful who you make enemies of on the way up, you will meet them again on the way down.
    Advice my Dad always gave me. Very wise.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    ... the relentness anti-Tory negativity here since Brexit is a shame.

    The so-called negativity comes from mainly Conservative contributors wondering how the party can recover.
    I was referring to the tread headers.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,359
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    A better reply to a good comment.
    A couple of things I'd add - she seems also to display pretty awful judgment when she finally gets around to making a decision, and her people skills are severely lacking.

    Apart from all of that, she's fine....

    And, if the stories of her advisors' behaviour are even half true, she is bad at person-management and bad at recruitment/selection, also.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .
    If recent years have taught us anything it should be that those sort of predictions are pretty stupid.
    I contend that it was not stupid to suggest that the SNP could not maintain 56 out of 59 Westminster seats while at the same time being in power in Holyrood.
    I'd contend that it was just common sense.
    My comment did not refer to yours.
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    daodaodaodao Posts: 821
    edited July 2017

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is an appalling political campaigner, and as I felt at the time, should never have called this unnecessary GE.

    However, she seems to be a decent person, unlike the toffs whom she succeeded, and a competent PM. She dealt correctly with the slimy GO. She has taken a sensible basic approach to achieve a proper Brexit, which requires the UK to be out of the single market and customs union, as the Labour party have agreed. She is though somewhat naive in expecting the EU27 to negotiate a fair deal.

    I hope that she stays for 2 years until Brexit is delivered. The 2nd half of 2019 is the right time for a change in Tory leadership.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Mr. F, I forget the precise quote (think it's old Chinese) but there's one about always being polite as a universal virtue. If someone's a friend, you don't want to upset them, and if someone's an enemy you don't want them to suspect their destruction.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.
    Well if that's the problem, the only solution would be for a new leader to call another election.
    Repeating the same experiment in the expectation of achieving a different outcome is the definition of........
    You mean every GE ever held from now on will result in Con most seats? Does this principle also work if your experiment is tossing a coin?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    I've just read the statement. What are people objecting to? It's seems very reasonable to me, but presumably it didn't check some box or other?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
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    daodaodaodao Posts: 821

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    You are probably right with respect to Scotland (i.e. the unity of GB has been strengthened), but the future of the 6 counties within the UK has become much more tenuous following the Brexit/NI assembly/GE votes there in the last 13 months. The SNP are a busted flush, but SF have been invigorated.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896

    Mr. F, I forget the precise quote (think it's old Chinese) but there's one about always being polite as a universal virtue. If someone's a friend, you don't want to upset them, and if someone's an enemy you don't want them to suspect their destruction.

    There's no downside to being polite, even when your essentially saying "No."
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,955

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    I reckon that her attack on the Police Federation was what did for her majority.

    After London Bridge the police were the heroes, and those videos of police complaining of cuts were viral.

    Be careful who you make enemies of on the way up, you will meet them again on the way down.

    May's entire political strategy is about getting positive headlines from right wing press - there really is nothing else there. She did it when she went after the Police Federation, when she put vans on the streets telling illegal immigrants to go home and she is doing it now with Brexit. Maybe we should just cut out the middle man and put Paul Dacre in Number 10.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,896
    edited July 2017
    felix said:

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!
    There are times when you have no choice but to upset people. But, one should avoid doing it needlessly. And one should choose one's enemies with care. It's fine to piss off groups like the NUT. One should avoid pissing off sensible teachers like Ydoethur.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    felix said:

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....
    The SNP couldn't possibly maintain 56 out of 59 Westminister seats and being in power were bound to lose popularity.
    And the Conservatives cannot possibly maintain 42% of the vote whilst being in power for the next 4 years , they are bound to lose popularity .
    If recent years have taught us anything it should be that those sort of predictions are pretty stupid.
    It's always dangerous to make predictions, especially about the future
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    felix said:

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!
    Looking after consumers (which has rather a Blairite, New Labour, Third Way ring to it) should not involve, and is certainly not the same as, upsetting producers.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    Actually Trump trails the leading 2020 Democratic candidate, Bernie Sanders, by 10% in the latest PPP poll, more than the Tories have ever trailed Labour under May. May also won both the popular vote and most MPs in June, Trump only won the electoral college but lost the popular vote to Hillary in 2016
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,955

    felix said:

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Unless her numbers change - but you've discounted that, haven't you?

    Oh well, two years of 'Theresa May is Rubbish.com' it is then.

    I expect you and TSE will enjoy yourselves, at least.....
    So you think she has some merits apart from just being a Tory? She's like IDS except she's proved her total electoral ineptness.
    She is Prime Minister - and probably will be for another 2 years or more.

    Get over it.
    I fear for the future of the UK as never before should the Corbyn agenda prevail.
    But that's the point - it will be the UK......whatever her overall 'disaster' (sic) May's GE has seen off the SNP in Scotland - down to Davidson - the narrative of 'inevitable momentum' is dead - and in 20 years time that may well be seen as the most significant impact of this election. Not Blair, not Brown, not Cameron - but whisper it quietly - possibly May - has (inadvertently) killed nationalism in our lifetimes....

    It may actually be Corbyn. Let's see how the seats look in Scotland after the next GE. Labour could very easily be the biggest party there once more.

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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Repeating the same experiment in the expectation of achieving a different outcome is the definition of........

    Theresa May not being Prime Minister any longer than Conservative MP's can stand the pain.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,894
    Its Despicable me and despicable him....

    (Message to picture ed-great photo)
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,000
    Mr. F, my A-level results were relatively poor, but I checked my first choice university (Liverpool) anyway. Chap on the other end of the line was very polite. I actually felt better having spoken to him than the chap from Leeds Met who confirmed I had a place there :p
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,955
    felix said:

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!

    Looking out for the consumer does no involve rendering the service they use unfit for purpose.

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,776
    edited July 2017
    How do the sovereignty absolutists see this one ?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/09/us-want-armed-immigration-officers-british-airports-radical2/

    "I promise you, the vetting will be so extreme..."
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    In the real world, Theresa May threw away a Conservative majority in the election she called for no apparent reason. That's the problem.
    That doesn't matter to any but political obsessives.

    The impact that a lack of a majority may have on Brexit could have an impact, but most people don't really care. They just want to government to do what ever the government does and stop bothering them. They'll think about it again in 5 years time.

    It's why the polls aren't really moving. At the moment, 40%+ think Theresa May is a bit meh, but better than the alternative. And a larger percentage say that Corbyn is not so bad/like the wish-fulfilling promises he makes/like to back a perceived "winner".

    There is no reason for anything to change until the narrative does
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Sean_F said:

    felix said:

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic,

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!
    There are times when you have no choice but to upset people. But, one should avoid doing it needlessly. And one should choose one's enemies with care. It's fine to piss off groups like the NUT. One should avoid pissing off sensible teachers like Ydoethur.
    I don't disagree. Her performance as Home Sec flattered to deceive her potential as a PM. TBF it deceived an awful lot of people and not just Tory loyalists. We are where we are and the biggest danger right now which is getting very little scrutiny here is this sort of thing;


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4678616/DAN-HODGES-Moderates-pointless-thanks-Corbyn-s-bullies.html
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sean_F said:

    tlg86 said:

    It is a bit tiresome seeing the same thing repeated all over again.

    The issue is not that May is terrible - it is that the anti-Brexit crowd realise that the easiest way to avoid Brexit is if she can somehow be replaced with a remainer. OK, we get it, you don't like hard Brexit. But at the moment it is wish-fulfilment masquerading as analysis.

    A 'Theresa May is rubbish' thread! How novel! Haven't seen one of those before.

    http://hastheresamayresignedyet.com

    Not updated in nigh on a month.....

    Meanwhile, at the G20:

    http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/07/08/donald-trump-really-said-angela-merkel/

    And you will go on seeing them as long as TMay clings onto power.

    Explain her dire personal poll ratings then.

    She's a broken reed. Only the absence of an obvious successor is keeping her in place.
    Surely Hammond is the obvious successor? I think the problem he - and anyone else for that matter - has is that May has just won most seats in a GE. It would have been odd if Cameron had been overthrown for a similar set of numbers in 2015.

    I know that it's all about expectations on this site, but it isn't like that in the real world. This is a bit of a problem for the Tories. They think their leader is rubbish but she's just racked up more votes than any Tory leader in over 25 years. It would only make sense for someone to overthrow her if they had the guts to have another election in the autumn.
    Hammond as PM would simply be May without the charisma.
    +1
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,196
    Vince Cable: "I can see Brexit not happening."
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Charles said:

    I've just read the statement. What are people objecting to? It's seems very reasonable to me, but presumably it didn't check some box or other?
    I suppose it is the DUP toxification factor. Being positive about pride and sucking up to the DUP the same month.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!

    Looking out for the consumer does no involve rendering the service they use unfit for purpose.

    Indeed - nor T. May, Home Sec has made the Police service 'unfit for purpose'. It's not perfect but nor is it anywhere near that bad.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    felix said:

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!

    Looking out for the consumer does no involve rendering the service they use unfit for purpose.

    Indeed, good leadership involves uniting service users, staff and delivery in common cause, not pitting factions against each other.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!
    Looking after consumers (which has rather a Blairite, New Labour, Third Way ring to it) should not involve, and is certainly not the same as, upsetting producers.
    Actually, if the job is done well, it is almost inevitable to ruffle some feathers. that is the basis of managing most necessary reforms. Remember the handloom weavers.......
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,359
    tlg86 said:

    Vince Cable: "I can see Brexit not happening."

    I haven't been a vince fan, but there was some good stuff in his interview there, and a lot of sense.

    The big change after the GE is at least the possibility of a route to no Brexit, as I have been arguing for some time. The LibDems are sufficiently typecast on Brexit that it doesn't do any harm for Vince to come out ahead of the curve.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    May epitomises the Conservative Party, they stand for nothing beyond power. I asked the pb tories last week what they stood for, all I got back was some mumbling about stable govt, whatever that means.

    Brexit?
    Grammar schools?
    Living wage?
    Immigration?
    Fox hunting?

    They have no principles, May is their ideal leader.

    * Liberty of thought and action
    * The right to live your life with a minimum of state interference
    * An excellent education - the foundation of life
    * Equality of opportunity - the government should smooth the pathway so that everyone can achieve the maximum they are capable of without any artificial barriers blocking their way
    * Investment in infrastructure
    * A safety net to help support those for whom something goes wrong (whether their fault or not) but with a focus to getting people back on their feet rather than perpetual handouts
    * A prudent state; we have no right to burden from future generations
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    felix said:

    FF43 said:

    PeterC said:

    It's a more interesting topic than this ding dong.

    Theresa May became PM a year ago to near universal acclaim. She was apparently the only grown up left standing whose reputation had not been destroyed by the disastrous referendum. Even those who held no special brief for her - George Osborne included - were saying she was the right, indeed only, choice to be PM. She must have had positive qualities (and luck) to have carried her as far as she had come. It is shallow and stupid to conclude that she is just "rubbish".

    What has happened illustrates that the premiership is an order of magnitude leap from any other job in cabinet. Events, in Macmillan's immortal phrase, will seek out the individual's peculiar weaknesses and these will be the cause of his or her downfall. May was cold, controlling uncommunicative and unstrategic, Cameron was complacent and arrogamt, Brown an anti-social control freak, Blair a case of a messiah complex ... All of us must expect to be be found out if tested severly enough.

    Mrs May is not uniquely bad but she was tested early, gave in to temptation and suffered an especially severe fall.

    Good comment, however I would say Mrs May was tested late on a major character issue that only became apparent after she became PM. She can't cope at all with situations she doesn't control. Arguably this should preclude her from politics entirely but it certainly makes her unsuitable to be prime minister of a divided country implementing the biggest structural change the country has seen in recent times, and where others mostly decide what's possible.

    Home Secretary is mostly about stopping bad things happen so her need to control helped her there
    I always thought she was rubbish in her six years at the Home Office. She achieved nothing there.
    Apart from upsetting the police and, IIRC, the firemen. Among others.
    Can you name any Home/Education/Health Sec who hasn't annoyed the producer interest groups - it is their job to look out for the consumers!

    Looking out for the consumer does no involve rendering the service they use unfit for purpose.

    Indeed, good leadership involves uniting service users, staff and delivery in common cause, not pitting factions against each other.
    And remind us of all the Secs of State in recent times who have achieved this?
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