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Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

If this government persists with this line, it will break up. Many Tory MPs will not go along with this. Another referendum will be called by Parliament [ as it is it's sovereign right ] and that will settle matters.

Didn't Labour's manifesto also say they would leave the single market/customs union?

Certainly, nothing Davis and Hammond have said contradicts what Corbyn and Starmer have said either. Both Labour and the Tories are committed to leaving the single market and the customs union to control free movement, a transition period does not stop that eventuality. Of the main parties only the LDs maintain the pretence of keeping membership of the single market

Labour's manifesto said: "We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. "

Nothing about leaving the single market/customs union unless I have missed it.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

RobD said:

surbiton said:

If this government persists with this line, it will break up. Many Tory MPs will not go along with this. Another referendum will be called by Parliament [ as it is it's sovereign right ] and that will settle matters.

Didn't Labour's manifesto also say they would leave the single market/customs union?

Certainly, nothing Davis and Hammond have said contradicts what Corbyn and Starmer have said either. Both Labour and the Tories are committed to leaving the single market and the customs union to control free movement, a transition period does not stop that eventuality. Of the main parties only the LDs maintain the pretence of keeping membership of the single market

Labour's manifesto said: "We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union – which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. "

Nothing about leaving the single market/customs union unless I have missed it.

Corbyn said in the leader's debate that the UK would leave the Single Market under Labour.

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

williamglenn said:

Mortimer said:

Gardenwalker said:

currystar said:

The country voted for brexit so it has to be brexit. I voted remain but I believe in democracy

I note this now remains the sole argument advanced for Brexit.

Apparently, having placed the muzzle to our temple, we must pull the trigger, "or there'll be blood on the streets".

What happens if we've changed our minds?

Who decides that it is a possibility?

It starts with people directly involved in the process changing their minds. Do they have enough strength of conviction to get through two years with most of the country against them and with the rest of the world looking on in bemusement?

I believe a key moment will be when the EU demand an exit fee. All polls have shown resistance to a fee and outright rejection of 100 billion suggested by some on the EU side.

UK opinion could swing very much against the EU if they overplay their hand

Or maybe it will swing against the Brexiteers who said we could exit cost-free

I do not see the UK voter paying a substantial exit fee, indeed can anyone imagine any politician endorsing a large exit fee. The vast majority will say no

I agree. It is why the talks will halt and hard Brexit happen.

Hard Brexit is the default option and just 20 short months away. A modicum of preparation would be wise.

You may be right but not sure - again this is who knows ?

Mortimer said:

Roger said:

Mortimer said:

I've just had my best ever July.

Yes, already, by the 7th. The economy seems to be going gangbusters.

I'm sure your antiquarian books are going down a storm with Leavers. They remember them first time round. To they pay you in groats?

The world is so binary to you, isn't it?

The rest of us have moved on. After all, we're all leaving now...

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

It must be great in your happy shiny world.

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

nunuone said:

tlg86 said:

Lol! BBC piece on migrants in France end by saying one family want to move to the UK because they like the government!

At least someone likes May then.......

Next people will be pretending to claim asylum here because they prefer English sparking wine to Champagne.........

Essexit said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

Economics BA Hons (Cantab), big fan of foreigners, former Vote Leave constituency co-ordinator here.

Mortimer said:

Essexit said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

Economics BA Hons (Cantab), big fan of foreigners, former Vote Leave constituency co-ordinator here.

History BA Hons (Oxon), foreigner fan here

Mortimer said:

Essexit said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

Economics BA Hons (Cantab), big fan of foreigners, former Vote Leave constituency co-ordinator here.

History BA Hons (Oxon), foreigner fan here

Benpointer said:

Completely O/T but can anyone give any advice as to why I can logon to PB to comment from my macbook no problem but if I try to logon from my imac or iphone, I put in my username and password, press enter, the screen refreshes with no error but I am not logged on?

Totally baffled. Just concerned you guys are all missing out on my wise and witty contributions whenever I am not on my macbook

TheScreamingEagles said:

Ishmael_Z said:

The downside to a lengthy transition is what, exactly?

Farage and the hardcore get the horn over leaving Brexiteers will make the life of the government untenable.

I suspect if Labour were lead by a passionate pro-European the situation might be different.

NickPalmer said:

Merkel, Europe's natural leader (including the UK):

https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/883272349591666688

Mortimer said:

surbiton said:

Mortimer said:

surbiton said:

Sean_F said:

surbiton said:

currystar said:

The country voted for brexit so it has to be brexit. I voted remain but I believe in democracy

The country can also vote not to have Brexit. Parliament is sovereign. So the Brexiters told us. Parliament can call for another referendum, this time there will be real information.

That will be democracy in action.

What would you do if you lost a second time around? Argue for best out of five?

We voted to stay in in 1975. If that vote can be overturned by another referendum, then we can have another one, as long as Parliament passes the Act to do so. Parliament is sovereign, remember.

Lets face it, you lot are getting nervous that there will be no Brexit after all. No Soft, hard, runny whatever. The game is up.

Erm, go and read the thread header. Proper Brexit it is.

Getting frit, eh ? Is Hammond on your side ?

Not at all. I'm confident we'll Brexit and that it will massively reduce low paid immigration.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Mortimer said:

Essexit said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

Economics BA Hons (Cantab), big fan of foreigners, former Vote Leave constituency co-ordinator here.

History BA Hons (Oxon), foreigner fan here

Sunil Prasannan, BSc (Hons), ARCS, PhD

Roger said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Mortimer said:

Essexit said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

Economics BA Hons (Cantab), big fan of foreigners, former Vote Leave constituency co-ordinator here.

History BA Hons (Oxon), foreigner fan here

Sunil Prasannan, BSc (Hons), ARCS, PhD

Roger. No qualification. Reading Adam Copnik 'Paris to the Moon'

foxinsoxuk said:

Roger said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Mortimer said:

Essexit said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

Economics BA Hons (Cantab), big fan of foreigners, former Vote Leave constituency co-ordinator here.

History BA Hons (Oxon), foreigner fan here

Sunil Prasannan, BSc (Hons), ARCS, PhD

Roger. No qualification. Reading Adam Copnik 'Paris to the Moon'

Foxinsoxuk. second prize in Dog and owner lookalikes, Diamond jubilee street party.

foxinsoxuk said:

Roger said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Mortimer said:

Essexit said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

Economics BA Hons (Cantab), big fan of foreigners, former Vote Leave constituency co-ordinator here.

History BA Hons (Oxon), foreigner fan here

Sunil Prasannan, BSc (Hons), ARCS, PhD

Roger. No qualification. Reading Adam Copnik 'Paris to the Moon'

Foxinsoxuk. second prize in Dog and owner lookalikes, Diamond jubilee street party.

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

It must be great in your happy shiny world.

I'm not going to argue with 'Britain's finest' at a time like this even over something as depressing as Brexit

Fliipin' heck, Rog! The "Finest" are always coppers, you have to call us "The Bravest".

.

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

It must be great in your happy shiny world.

I'm not going to argue with 'Britain's finest' at a time like this even over something as depressing as Brexit

Fliipin' heck, Rog! The "Finest" are always coppers, you have to call us "The Bravest".

.

Jonathan said:

Roger said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

It must be great in your happy shiny world.

I'm not going to argue with 'Britain's finest' at a time like this even over something as depressing as Brexit

Fliipin' heck, Rog! The "Finest" are always coppers, you have to call us "The Bravest".

.

Dream on! 'The Bravest' are advertisers.

The bravest are GPs. Can you imagine having to deal with a 74 male with a chronic case of scrotal rot.

TwistedFireStopper said:

Jonathan said:

Roger said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

It must be great in your happy shiny world.

I'm not going to argue with 'Britain's finest' at a time like this even over something as depressing as Brexit

Fliipin' heck, Rog! The "Finest" are always coppers, you have to call us "The Bravest".

.

Dream on! 'The Bravest' are advertisers.

The bravest are GPs. Can you imagine having to deal with a 74 male with a chronic case of scrotal rot.

I "assisted" an elderly gent out of a metal cockring a couple of weeks ago, if that counts? I'm a dab hand with the Dremel.

Jonathan said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

Jonathan said:

Roger said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

TwistedFireStopper said:

Roger said:

welshowl said:

Roger said:

Just listened to a interview with Ian Hislop where he described himself as an unashamed Remoaner who would continue Remoaning indefinitely. As he said when a Party loses an election it doesn't pack its bags and say it's all yours.....

But the point is that the intelligent media business the professions the City academia the vast majority of thinking people (and we all know what that means are on one side and for that reason I really can see it happening.

The other side might have a slightly larger army but against all the generals and modern weaponry it counts for nothing. It's now easier to visualize this government-and even the next- falling than theresa May's version of Brexit ever becoming enacted.

Yes I know, all the nice people who holiday in Tuscany and eat truffles think it's a frightful idea so it won't happen.

I wouldn't go that far. Enough to say educated people who aren't fearful of foreigners.

It must be great in your happy shiny world.

I'm not going to argue with 'Britain's finest' at a time like this even over something as depressing as Brexit

Fliipin' heck, Rog! The "Finest" are always coppers, you have to call us "The Bravest".

.

Dream on! 'The Bravest' are advertisers.

The bravest are GPs. Can you imagine having to deal with a 74 male with a chronic case of scrotal rot.

I "assisted" an elderly gent out of a metal cockring a couple of weeks ago, if that counts? I'm a dab hand with the Dremel.

That most definitely counts.

Ps I didn't know you knew Mike

AndreaParma_82 said:

Elections for Chairs of Select Committees will take place on Wednesday 12th

Candidates

Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy: Liam Byrne, Ian Lucas, Albert Owen, Rachel Reeves

Communities and Local Government: Clive Betts, David Lammy

Defence: Julian Lewis, Johnny Mercer

Education: Nick Boles, Rehman Chishti, Robert Halfon, Tim Loughton, Stephen Metcalfe, Dan Poulter

Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee: Zac Goldsmith, Neil Parish, Bill Wiggin

Foreign Affairs: John Baron, Crispin Blunt, Tom Tugendhat

Northern Ireland: Nigel Mills, Andrew Murrison

Science and Technology: Norman Lamb, Jo Swinson

Transport: Geraint Davies, Clive Efford, Lillian Greenwood, Bridget Phillipson, Gavin Shuker

Treasury: Richard Bacon, Charlie Elphicke, Stephen Hammond, Nicky Morgan, John Penrose, Jacob Reese Mogg

Backbench Business Committee: Ian Mearns, Angela Smith

Elected unopposed

Culture Media and Sport: Damian Collins

Brexit: Hillary Benn

Health: Sarah Wollaston

Home Affair: Yvette Cooper

International Development: Stephen Twigg

International Trade: Angus MacNeil

Justice: Robert Neill

Scottish Affairs: Pete Wishart

Welsh Affairs: David Davies

Women and Equalities: Maria Miller

Work and Pensions: Frank Field

Environmental Audit: Mary Creagh

Petitions: Helen Jones

Procedure: Charles Walker

Public Accounts: Meg Hillier

Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs: Bernard Jenkin

Standards: Kevin Barron

rottenborough said:

AndreaParma_82 said:

Elections for Chairs of Select Committees will take place on Wednesday 12th

Candidates

Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy: Liam Byrne, Ian Lucas, Albert Owen, Rachel Reeves

Communities and Local Government: Clive Betts, David Lammy

Defence: Julian Lewis, Johnny Mercer

Education: Nick Boles, Rehman Chishti, Robert Halfon, Tim Loughton, Stephen Metcalfe, Dan Poulter

Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee: Zac Goldsmith, Neil Parish, Bill Wiggin

Foreign Affairs: John Baron, Crispin Blunt, Tom Tugendhat

Northern Ireland: Nigel Mills, Andrew Murrison

Science and Technology: Norman Lamb, Jo Swinson

Transport: Geraint Davies, Clive Efford, Lillian Greenwood, Bridget Phillipson, Gavin Shuker

Treasury: Richard Bacon, Charlie Elphicke, Stephen Hammond, Nicky Morgan, John Penrose, Jacob Reese Mogg

Backbench Business Committee: Ian Mearns, Angela Smith

Elected unopposed

Culture Media and Sport: Damian Collins

Brexit: Hillary Benn

Health: Sarah Wollaston

Home Affair: Yvette Cooper

International Development: Stephen Twigg

International Trade: Angus MacNeil

Justice: Robert Neill

Scottish Affairs: Pete Wishart

Welsh Affairs: David Davies

Women and Equalities: Maria Miller

Work and Pensions: Frank Field

Environmental Audit: Mary Creagh

Petitions: Helen Jones

Procedure: Charles Walker

Public Accounts: Meg Hillier

Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs: Bernard Jenkin

Standards: Kevin Barron

Blimey. I thought Liam Byrne had given up on being an MP several years ago.

Interesting. Very interesting. Future CoE?