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I'd find reasons not to implement Article 50.williamglenn said:
How do you know? Assume you were a PM who wanted to overturn the decision on Brexit. What would you do differently to what May has done so far?CornishJohn said:She is disliked because she is conservative and doesn't want to overturn the electorate's decision on Brexit.
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I'd like Wera to stand too because my Cable bet doesn't come good without a contested election. I guess I have also lost my stake on Davey - sod it!rcs1000 said:
I'd like Wera to stand because she has an awesome name.foxinsoxuk said:
Wera Hobhouse or Tom Brake are further possibilities. I think there will be a contest. Nominations do not close until 20 July.tpfkar said:
Was a PB exclusive for 5 mins. Ed Davey is NOT running.tpfkar said:Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form
Looks like Vince Cable uncontested unless a new MP goes for it. Layla Moran is the only one I could possibly imagine (she's said she wants a contest) but looks like that's it and no membership ballot needed.0 -
One of my Labour activist friends has another theory.Danny565 said:
But for all that much of the white working-class might have Kipperish tendencies on social issues, they still often have a traditional Labour view on economics and public services - especially the more North you go.dyedwoolie said:
Movement in 2015 and 2017 suggests the latter. There is a WWC, kipper, socially neutral, work focused JAM vote to Hoover up. They are lost imo to liberal London.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Those voters stuck with Labour to stop Labour getting wiped out.
Had the polls been more accurate, Labour might have been screwed.0 -
It's also not unreasonable to suggest that this group might not have exactly welcomed the continuance of austerity either. It may be the case that economic issues are more of a decisive factor in how people vote than social issues with immigration being the exception.Danny565 said:
But for all that much of the white working-class might have Kipperish tendencies on social issues, they still often have a traditional Labour view on economics and public services - especially the more North you go.dyedwoolie said:
Movement in 2015 and 2017 suggests the latter. There is a WWC, kipper, socially neutral, work focused JAM vote to Hoover up. They are lost imo to liberal London.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
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I think this stuff about the "class divide" in politics being dead, and being Labour being solely a middle-class party, is overdone.
Remember that Labour still hold the vast majority of more deprived seats, with North Korean-sized majorities across much of the North and South Wales. And the Tories still have very comfortable majorities in most of the very affluent seats outside of London.0 -
They were supposedly the kind of people who run such corporations and don't treat their staff properly because they don't have a stake in the community. Apart from being a caricature - I have worked for both kinds of companies and was better treated by the nowhere one than the somewhere one - it seems an emphatic rejection of globalisation and foreign investment in the UK. It's probably not worth interpreting Theresa May's gameplay. She's never had one.isam said:
The people May called 'Citizens of nowhere' were corporates who didn't pay tax weren't they?CornishBlue said:
Why can't 'ethnic minorities' be citizens of somewhere (eg Britain) and indeed welcomed and encouraged to become so?TheScreamingEagles said:Similarly, with just three words in her 2016 party conference speech – “citizens of nowhere” – May undid 11 years of good work among affluent ethnic minorities by David Cameron, who worked to reassure Britain’s ethnic middle classes that their interests were better served by voting with their economic interests, rather than against a Conservative Party still defined in the minds of many by Enoch Powell.
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Tribal loyalty.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my Labour activist friends has another theory.Danny565 said:
But for all that much of the white working-class might have Kipperish tendencies on social issues, they still often have a traditional Labour view on economics and public services - especially the more North you go.dyedwoolie said:
Movement in 2015 and 2017 suggests the latter. There is a WWC, kipper, socially neutral, work focused JAM vote to Hoover up. They are lost imo to liberal London.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Those voters stuck with Labour to stop Labour getting wiped out.
Had the polls been more accurate, Labour might have been screwed.0 -
Eh ?RobC said:
I'd like Wera to stand too because my Cable bet doesn't come good without a contested election. I guess I have also lost my stake on Davey - sod it!rcs1000 said:
I'd like Wera to stand because she has an awesome name.foxinsoxuk said:
Wera Hobhouse or Tom Brake are further possibilities. I think there will be a contest. Nominations do not close until 20 July.tpfkar said:
Was a PB exclusive for 5 mins. Ed Davey is NOT running.tpfkar said:Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form
Looks like Vince Cable uncontested unless a new MP goes for it. Layla Moran is the only one I could possibly imagine (she's said she wants a contest) but looks like that's it and no membership ballot needed.
Surely either both are void or Cable will be a winner, and Davey a loser ?0 -
Agreed.CornishJohn said:
The second in the short term. Both in the long term.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Europhile liberals are and will remain angry at the British public for voting for Brexit for a decade. But they can not take their anger out on the British public, so they will instead take it out on the Conservatives for implementing the result.
What we can do is to remain internationalist in every way except for EU membership and most immigration. We should be pro-trade, pro-development, pro-international military alliances, pro-business and pro-high skilled immigration. Once the Brexit anger subsides, they will compare that to the protectionism and violence on the left.0 -
Only change I can see Sturgeon has made is ceasing work on the preparation for legislation for a referendum.
At the very least, if there is a demand for IndyRef2-and there is much more demand than the MSM and certain posters here like to pretend-it will be as easy for Sturgeon to make the 2021 Holyrood election about a referendum as it was for Davidson to make GE 2017 about not having one.
I do hope the unionists continue to be complacent. It nearly did for them last time, and I expect it will do for them next time.
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+1Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Conservative have to regain an air of competence in the context of appearing to both end austerity whilst actually economically not doing it and contend with the inevitable uncertainty of BREXIT and the crisis hitting the NHS, social care, education and the ongoing security difficulties having cut 20,000 police officers.
And then there's events dear boy events .... Grenfell ....
Did someone mention a lame duck Prime Minister and her friends in the DUP and their bung ?
Oh well ....
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as complacent as an Eck in GordonJPJ2 said:Only change I can see Sturgeon has made is ceasing work on the preparation for legislation for a referendum.
At the very least, if there is a demand for IndyRef2-and there is much more demand than the MSM and certain posters here like to pretend-it will be as easy for Sturgeon to make the 2021 Holyrood election about a referendum as it was for Davidson to make GE 2017 about not having one.
I do hope the unionists continue to be complacent. It nearly did for them last time, and I expect it will do for them next time.0 -
What Austerity?JackW said:
+1Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Conservative have to regain an air of competence in the context of appearing to both end austerity whilst actually economically not doing it and contend with the inevitable uncertainty of BREXIT and the crisis hitting the NHS, social care, education and the ongoing security difficulties having cut 20,000 police officers.
And then there's events dear boy events .... Grenfell ....
Did someone mention a lame duck Prime Minister and her friends in the DUP and their bung ?
Oh well ....0 -
What we can say with certainty; like her or not you'd have to be spectacularly dumb to think she was stigmatising ethnic minorities.FF43 said:
They were supposedly the kind of people who run such corporations and don't treat their staff properly because they don't have a stake in the community. Apart from being a caricature - I have worked for both kinds of companies and was better treated by the nowhere one than the somewhere one - it seems an emphatic rejection of globalisation and foreign investment in the UK. It's probably not worth interpreting Theresa May's gameplay. She's never had one.isam said:
The people May called 'Citizens of nowhere' were corporates who didn't pay tax weren't they?CornishBlue said:
Why can't 'ethnic minorities' be citizens of somewhere (eg Britain) and indeed welcomed and encouraged to become so?TheScreamingEagles said:Similarly, with just three words in her 2016 party conference speech – “citizens of nowhere” – May undid 11 years of good work among affluent ethnic minorities by David Cameron, who worked to reassure Britain’s ethnic middle classes that their interests were better served by voting with their economic interests, rather than against a Conservative Party still defined in the minds of many by Enoch Powell.
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Carlotta's chart shows pretty good support for the Conservatives, overall, in big urban areas. But, that masks very strong support in some urban areas, and very dire results in others.0
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Belgium and Texas are hardly models of good governance.welshowl said:
And that might be great. Less people having "big ideas" and generally screwing things up (cf Mr N Timothy?).logical_song said:
It seems that she was being overestimated before the GE, remember the Battlebus with her name and signature it large lettering. It's possible that it's swung the other way now, I suppose - but I'm not going to bet on it.JennyFreeman said:TM shouldn't be underestimated. She won't be going anywhere for some time.
My money would be on her leading the Conservatives into the next election. And, unless they fail to learn from the idiocy of their last campaign, there's an interesting punt to be had on them winning outright.
And, yes, toxic is a very silly choice of word.
The Tories even with the DUP have a tiny majority. I can't see them getting much done before the next GE apart from Brexit, which they have to do, and the chances of that going wrong are not negligeable.
Didn't Belgium last 13 months without one? Doesn't Texas limit the number of days politicians can sit so they have less time to think up damn fool ideas because they think they need to be seen doing things? Cynical maybe a tad, but a thought.0 -
My professional experience is that building control in England is weak and can easily be circumnavigated because you can self-certify or get certification from frankly openly dodgy building inspection services.CornishBlue said:
I have yet to see any evidence that the Grenfell fire was anything to do with private Building Control services being available.RobD said:
Building Control and Planning Control are separate regimes. The latter remains entirely public.CornishBlue said:
Oh, the planning system? Sorry, was unfamiliar with that term.RobD said:
Building Control.Pong said:
Privatising what?dyedwoolie said:
Messy. Flammable shit pit living is de rigeurGarethoftheVale2 said:
This could easily go the way of the leaky homes scandal in New Zealand:dyedwoolie said:
What cladding was, and will it pass checks. That's more to the point.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/878284670093344768dyedwoolie said:It's going to be everywhere. This is a huge huge scandal erupting in front of us. And the inevitable inquiry will have to go into all the rest of the construction industry. What else is combustible? What else is going to need to be removed and replaced?
Utter chaos incoming.
It will still be everywhere though, if not on every building ever constructed. As the 100% failure rate in 32 authorities demonstrates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_homes_crisis
The cost is so great that it could effect NZ's credit rating. Essentially the Government won't be able to pay for all the repairs.
Building codes are now very strict in NZ but, of course, it has been a case of shutting the gate after the horse has bolted
Hopefully the plans to do the same with Planning Control are now shelved.
The best information I have is that the Building Control was by the Council, but that they possibly switched to working under a Building Notice (*) during the project. This is from reading the detailed planning documents and records.
Suspect that the stuff about "privatisation of bulding control" is as relevant as the attempted (and fake) narrative about a fire in a Council owned, essentially Council / tenant run, building saying something about private landlords.
Nor do I think that there is much comparison with the NZ leaky house history - airtightness and watertightness are far more fundamental that External Wall Insulation or cladding.
* - look this up. Life is too short to describe a Building Notice here.0 -
I think TM will probably restore her popularity to a degree through the hard slog of governing. Normally incumbents fall in popularity but the current political situation is different.
I would be very suprised if she wanted to fight the next election and astonished if she were allowed to unless unexpected events force one in the next 12 months, even then she might well stand aside.
It wasn't long ago that there were lots of articles proclaiming the death of Labour and the Tories in power for a generation. Now there are plenty of articles arguing the opposite. Most commentators fall into the futurologist trap of extrapolating current trends and ending up with a prediction that turns out to be daft. What is interesting is the deep fault lines in Tories, Labour and Lib Dems so perhaps major re-alignments will occur. On the other hand that prediction is made periodically.0 -
They will continue their mano a mano bonding?Alanbrooke said:Lefties look away
Poster boy Macron invites the Donald to Paris for 14 July celebrations
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/legislatives/2017/06/27/38001-20170627LIVWWW00008-en-direct-assemblee-nationale-emmanuel-macron-edouard-philippe-francois-de-rugy.php
Arlene Foster to head parade
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/05/30/which_world_leader_resisted_donald_trump_s_weird_handshake_the_best.html0 -
These were bets to win at a bookies rather than betfair.Pulpstar said:
Eh ?RobC said:
I'd like Wera to stand too because my Cable bet doesn't come good without a contested election. I guess I have also lost my stake on Davey - sod it!rcs1000 said:
I'd like Wera to stand because she has an awesome name.foxinsoxuk said:
Wera Hobhouse or Tom Brake are further possibilities. I think there will be a contest. Nominations do not close until 20 July.tpfkar said:
Was a PB exclusive for 5 mins. Ed Davey is NOT running.tpfkar said:Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form
Looks like Vince Cable uncontested unless a new MP goes for it. Layla Moran is the only one I could possibly imagine (she's said she wants a contest) but looks like that's it and no membership ballot needed.
Surely either both are void or Cable will be a winner, and Davey a loser ?0 -
That's obvious, isn't it? Whether we Leave is now out of the hands of a theoretical anti-democratic PM.Sean_F said:
I'd find reasons not to implement Article 50.williamglenn said:
How do you know? Assume you were a PM who wanted to overturn the decision on Brexit. What would you do differently to what May has done so far?CornishJohn said:She is disliked because she is conservative and doesn't want to overturn the electorate's decision on Brexit.
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Worse than complacency, they are showing signs of hubris.JPJ2 said:I do hope the unionists continue to be complacent. It nearly did for them last time, and I expect it will do for them next time.
The idea that the union has been saved as we hurtle into Brexit backed up by a DUP which is openly wishing to prise Ireland out of the EU is ludicrous. It's the charge of the right brigade and will end badly for anyone associated with it.0 -
Some serious pinhead dancing of those that think Macron is the European Obama.Alanbrooke said:Lefties look away
Poster boy Macron invites the Donald to Paris for 14 July celebrations
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/legislatives/2017/06/27/38001-20170627LIVWWW00008-en-direct-assemblee-nationale-emmanuel-macron-edouard-philippe-francois-de-rugy.php
Arlene Foster to head parade
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A Reckless Comment, You Traitorous Pig Dog !!TheScreamingEagles said:Well the UK has a good history of when it was led by Hanoverians.
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My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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Obviously numerous threads on the awesomeness of AV and Theresa May have already been written.0 -
I may be being overly sensitive but I'm just picking up a slightly negative tone from OGH to PM TMay....0
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Gordon never beat the Tories at a General Election
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Radiohead Glastonbury appearance = Mrs May as PM?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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It's the fact that we remain a democracy that makes Brexit undeliverable. Only a dictator could lead their people down a blind alley for long enough to make it happen.ThreeQuidder said:
That's obvious, isn't it? Whether we Leave is now out of the hands of a theoretical anti-democratic PM.Sean_F said:
I'd find reasons not to implement Article 50.williamglenn said:
How do you know? Assume you were a PM who wanted to overturn the decision on Brexit. What would you do differently to what May has done so far?CornishJohn said:She is disliked because she is conservative and doesn't want to overturn the electorate's decision on Brexit.
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Do you regret not voting for Mrs Leadsom now?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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Got it. Ethnic minorities are stupid.isam said:The context of 'Citizens of nowhere'
"But if you believe you’re a citizen of the world, you’re a citizen of nowhere. You don’t understand what the very word ‘citizenship’ means.
So if you’re a boss who earns a fortune but doesn’t look after your staff…
An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…
A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…
A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…
I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore."
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/theresa-mays-conference-speech-in-full/amp/
How stupid would someone have to be to think that meant ethnic minorities?0 -
What does each betslip actually say ?RobC said:
These were bets to win at a bookies rather than betfair.Pulpstar said:
Eh ?RobC said:
I'd like Wera to stand too because my Cable bet doesn't come good without a contested election. I guess I have also lost my stake on Davey - sod it!rcs1000 said:
I'd like Wera to stand because she has an awesome name.foxinsoxuk said:
Wera Hobhouse or Tom Brake are further possibilities. I think there will be a contest. Nominations do not close until 20 July.tpfkar said:
Was a PB exclusive for 5 mins. Ed Davey is NOT running.tpfkar said:Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form
Looks like Vince Cable uncontested unless a new MP goes for it. Layla Moran is the only one I could possibly imagine (she's said she wants a contest) but looks like that's it and no membership ballot needed.
Surely either both are void or Cable will be a winner, and Davey a loser ?
If I'd have had my Gorton bets at a bookies then I'd have taken the slips in to get my cash refunded as the market was obviously void.0 -
No, just you.surbiton said:
Got it. Ethnic minorities are stupid.isam said:The context of 'Citizens of nowhere'
"But if you believe you’re a citizen of the world, you’re a citizen of nowhere. You don’t understand what the very word ‘citizenship’ means.
So if you’re a boss who earns a fortune but doesn’t look after your staff…
An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…
A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…
A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…
I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore."
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/theresa-mays-conference-speech-in-full/amp/
How stupid would someone have to be to think that meant ethnic minorities?0 -
I believe if Mrs Loathsome had not panicked and stayed on in the race, she would be PM today. Theresa would have been found out in the campaign.Danny565 said:
Do you regret not voting for Mrs Leadsom now?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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Obviously numerous threads on the awesomeness of AV and Theresa May have already been written.0 -
Obama? Macron has been compared to the Third Way/Liberal Centrism/Trudeau. Never seen any Obama comparisons.FrancisUrquhart said:
Some serious pinhead dancing of those that think Macron is the European Obama.Alanbrooke said:Lefties look away
Poster boy Macron invites the Donald to Paris for 14 July celebrations
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/legislatives/2017/06/27/38001-20170627LIVWWW00008-en-direct-assemblee-nationale-emmanuel-macron-edouard-philippe-francois-de-rugy.php
Arlene Foster to head parade0 -
How dare you talk about White Brits in London like that!surbiton said:
Got it. Ethnic minorities are stupid.isam said:The context of 'Citizens of nowhere'
"But if you believe you’re a citizen of the world, you’re a citizen of nowhere. You don’t understand what the very word ‘citizenship’ means.
So if you’re a boss who earns a fortune but doesn’t look after your staff…
An international company that treats tax laws as an optional extra…
A household name that refuses to work with the authorities even to fight terrorism…
A director who takes out massive dividends while knowing that the company pension is about to go bust…
I’m putting you on warning. This can’t go on anymore."
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/theresa-mays-conference-speech-in-full/amp/
How stupid would someone have to be to think that meant ethnic minorities?0 -
Never got the option, I still think Leadsome would have done worse than Mrs May as PM.Danny565 said:
Do you regret not voting for Mrs Leadsom now?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
Any particular topics you want me to cover?
Obviously numerous threads on the awesomeness of AV and Theresa May have already been written.
Though I suspect Mrs Leadsome would not have called a snap election.0 -
I'll commission Scott to write that thread.FrancisUrquhart said:
Radiohead Glastonbury appearance = Mrs May as PM?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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I thought Trudeau was the Canadian Obama? The thick cousin of Obama.The_Apocalypse said:
Obama? Macron has been compared to the Third Way/Liberal Centrism/Trudeau. Never seen any Obama comparisons.FrancisUrquhart said:
Some serious pinhead dancing of those that think Macron is the European Obama.Alanbrooke said:Lefties look away
Poster boy Macron invites the Donald to Paris for 14 July celebrations
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/legislatives/2017/06/27/38001-20170627LIVWWW00008-en-direct-assemblee-nationale-emmanuel-macron-edouard-philippe-francois-de-rugy.php
Arlene Foster to head parade0 -
Are these AV threads going to be "Fair and Balanced"?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
Any particular topics you want me to cover?
Obviously numerous threads on the awesomeness of AV and Theresa May have already been written.
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Like Fox News.RobD said:
Are these AV threads going to be "Fair and Balanced"?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
Any particular topics you want me to cover?
Obviously numerous threads on the awesomeness of AV and Theresa May have already been written.0 -
Is that possible? Given that 99% of his posts are faisal islams tweets I presumed he didn't own a keyboard.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll commission Scott to write that thread.FrancisUrquhart said:
Radiohead Glastonbury appearance = Mrs May as PM?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
Any particular topics you want me to cover?
Obviously numerous threads on the awesomeness of AV and Theresa May have already been written.
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Unless they were Mad!TheScreamingEagles said:
Well the UK has a good history of when it was led by Hanoverians.slade said:
She was born in Hanover but married a Brit and is thus I think the second German-born MP ( unless anyone knows any other?)rcs1000 said:
I'd like Wera to stand because she has an awesome name.foxinsoxuk said:
Wera Hobhouse or Tom Brake are further possibilities. I think there will be a contest. Nominations do not close until 20 July.tpfkar said:
Was a PB exclusive for 5 mins. Ed Davey is NOT running.tpfkar said:Think there might be about to be a Lib Dem leadership announcement of some form
Looks like Vince Cable uncontested unless a new MP goes for it. Layla Moran is the only one I could possibly imagine (she's said she wants a contest) but looks like that's it and no membership ballot needed.
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There is an element of truth in that. Hence, my fervent call, Vote Labour, We cannot win !TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my Labour activist friends has another theory.Danny565 said:
But for all that much of the white working-class might have Kipperish tendencies on social issues, they still often have a traditional Labour view on economics and public services - especially the more North you go.dyedwoolie said:
Movement in 2015 and 2017 suggests the latter. There is a WWC, kipper, socially neutral, work focused JAM vote to Hoover up. They are lost imo to liberal London.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Those voters stuck with Labour to stop Labour getting wiped out.
Had the polls been more accurate, Labour might have been screwed.0 -
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I thought Trudeau was the Canadian Obama? The thick cousin of Obama.The_Apocalypse said:
Obama? Macron has been compared to the Third Way/Liberal Centrism/Trudeau. Never seen any Obama comparisons.FrancisUrquhart said:
Some serious pinhead dancing of those that think Macron is the European Obama.Alanbrooke said:Lefties look away
Poster boy Macron invites the Donald to Paris for 14 July celebrations
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/legislatives/2017/06/27/38001-20170627LIVWWW00008-en-direct-assemblee-nationale-emmanuel-macron-edouard-philippe-francois-de-rugy.php
Arlene Foster to head parade
Don't think so. I have to say I've never seen Trudeau as identical to Obama, and I like both.0 -
So those offended by language of a sexual nature might not want to read it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Like Fox News.RobD said:
Are these AV threads going to be "Fair and Balanced"?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
Any particular topics you want me to cover?
Obviously numerous threads on the awesomeness of AV and Theresa May have already been written.0 -
Isn't that always the case for TSE thread headers?FrancisUrquhart said:
So those offended by language of a sexual nature might not want to read it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Like Fox News.RobD said:
Are these AV threads going to be "Fair and Balanced"?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
Any particular topics you want me to cover?
Obviously numerous threads on the awesomeness of AV and Theresa May have already been written.0 -
Oops. I forgot we have a Jacobite amongst us.JackW said:
A Reckless Comment, You Traitorous Pig Dog !!TheScreamingEagles said:Well the UK has a good history of when it was led by Hanoverians.
Bloody Europeans, coming over here and taking our jobs for centuries.0 -
It'll be more a case of which if any defensive battle to prioritise. That is, trying not to lose further support from "Europhile liberals" still thoroughly pissed off now that Brexit has happened, while trying not to lose support from newly acquired blue collar voters not exactly happy with what they see to be watered down terms of Brexit and who regardless of that will see little ongoing reason to vote Conservative anyway given that the main pull factor of Brexit is history.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Add to that the background of a country tired of 12 years of increasingly weak Conservative government, if the DUP can be persuaded to make this parliament last that long, and a short term hit to an economy adjusting to a change in markets caused by Brexit.
So at this point the Conservatives' prospects don't look good. It is Labour's to lose, and I think their main enemy now is overconfidence that could lead to a failure to acknowledge the need for an end to internal warring. Southam was spot on about that on his previous thread.0 -
And do you have evidence that this is relevant to Grenfell? Or Camden?CornishBlue said:
My professional experience is that building control in England is weak and can easily be circumnavigated because you can self-certify or get certification from frankly openly dodgy building inspection services.CornishBlue said:
I have yet to see any evidence that the Grenfell fire was anything to do with private Building Control services being available.RobD said:
Building Control and Planning Control are separate regimes. The latter remains entirely public.CornishBlue said:
Oh, the planning system? Sorry, was unfamiliar with that term.RobD said:
Building Control.Pong said:
Privatising what?dyedwoolie said:
Messy. Flammable shit pit living is de rigeurGarethoftheVale2 said:dyedwoolie said:
What cladding was, and will it pass checks. That's more to the point.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/878284670093344768dyedwoolie said:It's going to be everywhere. This is a huge huge scandal erupting in front of us. And the inevitable inquiry will have to go into all the rest of the construction industry. What else is combustible? What else is going to need to be removed and replaced?
Utter chaos incoming.
It will still be everywhere though, if not on every building ever constructed. As the 100% failure rate in 32 authorities demonstrates.
Hopefully the plans to do the same with Planning Control are now shelved.
The best information I have is that the Building Control was by the Council, but that they possibly switched to working under a Building Notice (*) during the project. This is from reading the detailed planning documents and records.
Suspect that the stuff about "privatisation of bulding control" is as relevant as the attempted (and fake) narrative about a fire in a Council owned, essentially Council / tenant run, building saying something about private landlords.
Nor do I think that there is much comparison with the NZ leaky house history - airtightness and watertightness are far more fundamental that External Wall Insulation or cladding.
* - look this up. Life is too short to describe a Building Notice here.0 -
Hear, hear !MikeSmithson said:
If you don't like it on my site then go. I'm not going to change.MonikerDiCanio said:Toxic Theresa . Sad to see OGH descend into the gutter. This nasty witch hunt has long since become tedious and disgusting.
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No. I was making a general remark about building control cf planning control.MattW said:
And do you have evidence that this is relevant to Grenfell? Or Camden?CornishBlue said:
My professional experience is that building control in England is weak and can easily be circumnavigated because you can self-certify or get certification from frankly openly dodgy building inspection services.CornishBlue said:
I have yet to see any evidence that the Grenfell fire was anything to do with private Building Control services being available.RobD said:
Building Control and Planning Control are separate regimes. The latter remains entirely public.CornishBlue said:
Oh, the planning system? Sorry, was unfamiliar with that term.RobD said:
Building Control.Pong said:
Privatising what?dyedwoolie said:
Messy. Flammable shit pit living is de rigeurGarethoftheVale2 said:dyedwoolie said:
What cladding was, and will it pass checks. That's more to the point.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/878284670093344768dyedwoolie said:It's going to be everywhere. This is a huge huge scandal erupting in front of us. And the inevitable inquiry will have to go into all the rest of the construction industry. What else is combustible? What else is going to need to be removed and replaced?
Utter chaos incoming.
It will still be everywhere though, if not on every building ever constructed. As the 100% failure rate in 32 authorities demonstrates.
Hopefully the plans to do the same with Planning Control are now shelved.
The best information I have is that the Building Control was by the Council, but that they possibly switched to working under a Building Notice (*) during the project. This is from reading the detailed planning documents and records.
Suspect that the stuff about "privatisation of bulding control" is as relevant as the attempted (and fake) narrative about a fire in a Council owned, essentially Council / tenant run, building saying something about private landlords.
Nor do I think that there is much comparison with the NZ leaky house history - airtightness and watertightness are far more fundamental that External Wall Insulation or cladding.
* - look this up. Life is too short to describe a Building Notice here.0 -
It is difficult to see how either of the two parties can increase their vote share by at most a point or two; they are both close to record highs. In which case further direct Tory->Labour switching, or vice versa, appears unlikely, given how polarised they are. The Tories already have all the "never Corbyn" votes and Labour all the "Tories out now" votes. Which makes me wonder whether the actual question is which of them will lose votes to a third party (and which?), enabling the other to win? Or, alternatively, the next election delivers yet another stalemate (balanced parliament, or close to it).Wulfrun_Phil said:
It'll be more a case of which if any defensive battle to prioritise. That is, trying not to lose further support from "Europhile liberals" still thoroughly pissed off now that Brexit has happened, while trying not to lose support from newly acquired blue collar voters not exactly happy with what they see to be watered down terms of Brexit and who regardless of that will see little ongoing reason to vote Conservative anyway given that the main pull factor of Brexit is history.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Add to that the background of a country tired of 12 years of increasingly weak Conservative government, if the DUP can be persuaded to make this parliament last that long, and a short term hit to an economy adjusting to a change in markets caused by Brexit.
So at this point the Conservatives' prospects don't look good. It is Labour's to lose, and I think their main enemy now is overconfidence that could lead to a failure to acknowledge the need for an end to internal warring. Southam was spot on about that on his previous thread.0 -
Senate GOP are delaying the Health Care Bill vote until after the July 4th recess.0
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Mother Leadsome would have been sufficiently unpopular that the thought would never have arisen.TheScreamingEagles said:
Never got the option, I still think Leadsome would have done worse than Mrs May as PM.Danny565 said:
Do you regret not voting for Mrs Leadsom now?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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Obviously numerous threads on the awesomeness of AV and Theresa May have already been written.
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A brief history of all the rubbish politicians who have ended up working for the media...?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40424962
Republicans delay Senate vote on health care.
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There was a lot in that. Voting Labour this time was akin to a pity fuck....surbiton said:
There is an element of truth in that. Hence, my fervent call, Vote Labour, We cannot win !TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my Labour activist friends has another theory.Danny565 said:
But for all that much of the white working-class might have Kipperish tendencies on social issues, they still often have a traditional Labour view on economics and public services - especially the more North you go.dyedwoolie said:
Movement in 2015 and 2017 suggests the latter. There is a WWC, kipper, socially neutral, work focused JAM vote to Hoover up. They are lost imo to liberal London.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Those voters stuck with Labour to stop Labour getting wiped out.
Had the polls been more accurate, Labour might have been screwed.0 -
It would be hard to find anyone to beat Robert Kilroy-Silk.TudorRose said:
A brief history of all the rubbish politicians who have ended up working for the media...?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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I called that back in April.MarqueeMark said:
There was a lot in that. Voting Labour this time was akin to a pity fuck....surbiton said:
There is an element of truth in that. Hence, my fervent call, Vote Labour, We cannot win !TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my Labour activist friends has another theory.Danny565 said:
But for all that much of the white working-class might have Kipperish tendencies on social issues, they still often have a traditional Labour view on economics and public services - especially the more North you go.dyedwoolie said:
Movement in 2015 and 2017 suggests the latter. There is a WWC, kipper, socially neutral, work focused JAM vote to Hoover up. They are lost imo to liberal London.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Those voters stuck with Labour to stop Labour getting wiped out.
Had the polls been more accurate, Labour might have been screwed.
See point 4)
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/04/23/why-a-1997-style-landslide-or-even-a-1983-style-landslide-might-not-happen-but-maybe-a-2005-style-majority-of-66-will/0 -
Obamacare lives !The_Apocalypse said:Senate GOP are delaying the Health Care Bill vote until after the July 4th recess.
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Labour poised to win 17 seats from the SNP and maybe some seats in Cornwall, replacing the Lib Dems as the second party plus the usual marginals.IanB2 said:
It is difficult to see how either of the two parties can increase their vote share by at most a point or two; they are both close to record highs. In which case further direct Tory->Labour switching, or vice versa, appears unlikely, given how polarised they are. The Tories already have all the "never Corbyn" votes and Labour all the "Tories out now" votes. Which makes me wonder whether the actual question is which of them will lose votes to a third party (and which?), enabling the other to win? Or, alternatively, the next election delivers yet another stalemate (balanced parliament, or close to it).Wulfrun_Phil said:
It'll be more a case of which if any defensive battle to prioritise. That is, trying not to lose further support from "Europhile liberals" still thoroughly pissed off now that Brexit has happened, while trying not to lose support from newly acquired blue collar voters not exactly happy with what they see to be watered down terms of Brexit and who regardless of that will see little ongoing reason to vote Conservative anyway given that the main pull factor of Brexit is history.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Add to that the background of a country tired of 12 years of increasingly weak Conservative government, if the DUP can be persuaded to make this parliament last that long, and a short term hit to an economy adjusting to a change in markets caused by Brexit.
So at this point the Conservatives' prospects don't look good. It is Labour's to lose, and I think their main enemy now is overconfidence that could lead to a failure to acknowledge the need for an end to internal warring. Southam was spot on about that on his previous thread.0 -
Let's not get too excited just yet. But nonetheless, it's very good news indeed. I'm hoping especially that the likes of Collins do not fold like moderates in the House did.surbiton said:
Obamacare lives !The_Apocalypse said:Senate GOP are delaying the Health Care Bill vote until after the July 4th recess.
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Hahahaha....Alanbrooke said:Lefties look away
Poster boy Macron invites the Donald to Paris for 14 July celebrations
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/legislatives/2017/06/27/38001-20170627LIVWWW00008-en-direct-assemblee-nationale-emmanuel-macron-edouard-philippe-francois-de-rugy.php
Arlene Foster to head parade0 -
After hyping the shit out of the vote Mitch McConnel has delayed the healthcate vote until after the July 4th recess.
Amazingly he can't get the votes from the wing who thinks the bill doesn't screw the poor enough.0 -
Tom Harris ex Labour MP writing for the Daily Telegraph makes Dan Hodges a good predictor of Labour party events.williamglenn said:
It would be hard to find anyone to beat Robert Kilroy-Silk.TudorRose said:
A brief history of all the rubbish politicians who have ended up working for the media...?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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+100williamglenn said:
And what a sad comment on the state of the Labour Party that they need to be encouraged to step up to their responsibilities by a rogue Tory backbencher.0 -
I'd expect the rentamobs from the UK to head across the channel to put a stop to it led by McDonnell and Corbyn... and Owen Jones. Presumably roger of this parish will be suitably outraged.....FrancisUrquhart said:
Some serious pinhead dancing of those that think Macron is the European Obama.Alanbrooke said:Lefties look away
Poster boy Macron invites the Donald to Paris for 14 July celebrations
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/legislatives/2017/06/27/38001-20170627LIVWWW00008-en-direct-assemblee-nationale-emmanuel-macron-edouard-philippe-francois-de-rugy.php
Arlene Foster to head parade0 -
That would be a good start... and finishing up with the current editor of a freebie London rag!williamglenn said:
It would be hard to find anyone to beat Robert Kilroy-Silk.TudorRose said:
A brief history of all the rubbish politicians who have ended up working for the media...?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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You forgot to finish: "...isn't enough to get them to a majority"surbiton said:
Labour poised to win 17 seats from the SNP and maybe some seats in Cornwall, replacing the Lib Dems as the second party plus the usual marginals.IanB2 said:
It is difficult to see how either of the two parties can increase their vote share by at most a point or two; they are both close to record highs. In which case further direct Tory->Labour switching, or vice versa, appears unlikely, given how polarised they are. The Tories already have all the "never Corbyn" votes and Labour all the "Tories out now" votes. Which makes me wonder whether the actual question is which of them will lose votes to a third party (and which?), enabling the other to win? Or, alternatively, the next election delivers yet another stalemate (balanced parliament, or close to it).Wulfrun_Phil said:
It'll be more a case of which if any defensive battle to prioritise. That is, trying not to lose further support from "Europhile liberals" still thoroughly pissed off now that Brexit has happened, while trying not to lose support from newly acquired blue collar voters not exactly happy with what they see to be watered down terms of Brexit and who regardless of that will see little ongoing reason to vote Conservative anyway given that the main pull factor of Brexit is history.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Add to that the background of a country tired of 12 years of increasingly weak Conservative government, if the DUP can be persuaded to make this parliament last that long, and a short term hit to an economy adjusting to a change in markets caused by Brexit.
So at this point the Conservatives' prospects don't look good. It is Labour's to lose, and I think their main enemy now is overconfidence that could lead to a failure to acknowledge the need for an end to internal warring. Southam was spot on about that on his previous thread.0 -
https://order-order.com/2017/06/27/lefties-duped-by-why-socialism-works-guide-on-amazon/
Saw this posted here earlier. Guido grasping at straws now. Apparently lefties are falling hook line and sinker for this hilarious satirical book. Closer inspection reveals the only complaint in the reviews is the one he mentions in his post. Everything else is positive. So, 1 lefty was fooled, quite the scoop.0 -
Given the weirdness of the last few years, is there any chance that England might be about to beat Germany on penalties in the Under 21 semi final?0
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Looking at the NS-SeC socioeconomic categories...Danny565 said:I think this stuff about the "class divide" in politics being dead, and being Labour being solely a middle-class party, is overdone.
Remember that Labour still hold the vast majority of more deprived seats, with North Korean-sized majorities across much of the North and South Wales. And the Tories still have very comfortable majorities in most of the very affluent seats outside of London.
There's a 64 per cent correlation between the share of the population in the top 5 categories and the Conservative vote share per constituency, and a 65 per cent correlation between the share in the bottom 3 categories plus the student category and the Labour vote share per constituency.0 -
Will Theresa have the same sort of problem getting both wings of her party plus the DUP to agree over Brexit, let alone austerity?Alistair said:After hyping the shit out of the vote Mitch McConnel has delayed the healthcate vote until after the July 4th recess.
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I love Anna Soubry.williamglenn said:0 -
LOL, I didn't know Trump not coming here displeased Conservatives that much.felix said:
I'd expect the rentamobs from the UK to head across the channel to put a stop to it led by McDonnell and Corbyn... and Owen Jones. Presumably roger of this parish will be suitably outraged.....FrancisUrquhart said:
Some serious pinhead dancing of those that think Macron is the European Obama.Alanbrooke said:Lefties look away
Poster boy Macron invites the Donald to Paris for 14 July celebrations
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/legislatives/2017/06/27/38001-20170627LIVWWW00008-en-direct-assemblee-nationale-emmanuel-macron-edouard-philippe-francois-de-rugy.php
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The problem with that analysis is that it does not take into account the nature of the current leadership of the Labour party. I genuinely believe that Corbyn and McDonell are fanatics and that will become apparent to many who are unaware or have simply discounted attacks from Tories and the Tory press. Arguments that the manifesto is just left social democratic are besides the point as it only a tactic to the leadership and the Momentum core.Wulfrun_Phil said:
It'll be more a case of which if any defensive battle to prioritise. That is, trying not to lose further support from "Europhile liberals" still thoroughly pissed off now that Brexit has happened, while trying not to lose support from newly acquired blue collar voters not exactly happy with what they see to be watered down terms of Brexit and who regardless of that will see little ongoing reason to vote Conservative anyway given that the main pull factor of Brexit is history.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Add to that the background of a country tired of 12 years of increasingly weak Conservative government, if the DUP can be persuaded to make this parliament last that long, and a short term hit to an economy adjusting to a change in markets caused by Brexit.
So at this point the Conservatives' prospects don't look good. It is Labour's to lose, and I think their main enemy now is overconfidence that could lead to a failure to acknowledge the need for an end to internal warring. Southam was spot on about that on his previous thread.0 -
Leadsom knew she wasn't up to being PM, May thought she was.surbiton said:
I believe if Mrs Loathsome had not panicked and stayed on in the race, she would be PM today. Theresa would have been found out in the campaign.Danny565 said:
Do you regret not voting for Mrs Leadsom now?TheScreamingEagles said:My stint as guest editor of PB starts in less than 48 hours, so I'm doing requests.
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She is great. If I were in Broxtowe, I could see myself voting for her.. (Sorry Nick!)The_Apocalypse said:
I love Anna Soubry.williamglenn said:-1 -
Some things never change.0
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So some things still stay the same, we still get beat by Germany on penalties.0
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Use an impasse in the negotiations to create a binary choice between remain and crash out totallywilliamglenn said:
How do you know? Assume you were a PM who wanted to overturn the decision on Brexit. What would you do differently to what May has done so far?CornishJohn said:She is disliked because she is conservative and doesn't want to overturn the electorate's decision on Brexit.
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+1.foxinsoxuk said:
She is great. If I were in Broxtowe, I could see myself voting for her.. (Sorry Nick!)The_Apocalypse said:
I love Anna Soubry.williamglenn said:
My favourite Tory MP. I was very glad to see that she held on in Broxtowe during GE night.0 -
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She should defect to Labour. They deserve her as she is perhaps the worst MP in Parliament.IanB2 said:
+100williamglenn said:
And what a sad comment on the state of the Labour Party that they need to be encouraged to step up to their responsibilities by a rogue Tory backbencher.0 -
While OGH likes harping on about the Tories leadership shortcomings I am not particularly impressed by lily livered Lib Dems failing to take on the not very Liberal Cable. Someone like Davey a former cabinet minister aged 51 should jump at the chance. Perhaps he see no future in it and talk of an impending new centrist party perhaps is a bit more than just talk.0
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What nonsense! The worst MPs are those lazy ones sitting in impregnable safe FPTnP seats in both of the main parties, who do nothing for either their constituents or their country.Richard_Tyndall said:
She should defect to Labour. They deserve her as she is perhaps the worst MP in Parliament.IanB2 said:
+100williamglenn said:
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Sarah Wollaston pips her for me, hard to think of another. Nicky Morgan possibly.The_Apocalypse said:
+1.foxinsoxuk said:
She is great. If I were in Broxtowe, I could see myself voting for her.. (Sorry Nick!)The_Apocalypse said:
I love Anna Soubry.williamglenn said:
My favourite Tory MP. I was very glad to see that she held on in Broxtowe during GE night.
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Maybe Theresa's days really are numbered....Beverley_C said:
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Sadly the LDs will remain mostly irrelevant whilst Sir Vince serves out his two years, before the 'real' leadership election gets to happen. The best we can hope for is that Vince's status and reputation as a minor sage gets us a little more attention in the media meanwhile.Norm said:While OGH likes harping on about the Tories leadership shortcomings I am not particularly impressed by lily livered Lib Dems failing to take on the not very Liberal Cable. Someone like Davey a former cabinet minister aged 51 should jump at the chance. Perhaps he see no future in it and talk of an impending new centrist party perhaps is a bit more than just talk.
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Heidi Allen?foxinsoxuk said:
Sarah Wollaston pips her for me, hard to think of another. Nicky Morgan possibly.The_Apocalypse said:
+1.foxinsoxuk said:
She is great. If I were in Broxtowe, I could see myself voting for her.. (Sorry Nick!)The_Apocalypse said:
I love Anna Soubry.williamglenn said:
My favourite Tory MP. I was very glad to see that she held on in Broxtowe during GE night.
All the best Tories are really LibDems who put career before principle.0 -
I like Sarah Wollaston too. I have to say, I'm not a great fan of Nicky Morgan though.foxinsoxuk said:
Sarah Wollaston pips her for me, hard to think of another. Nicky Morgan possibly.The_Apocalypse said:
+1.foxinsoxuk said:
She is great. If I were in Broxtowe, I could see myself voting for her.. (Sorry Nick!)The_Apocalypse said:
I love Anna Soubry.williamglenn said:
My favourite Tory MP. I was very glad to see that she held on in Broxtowe during GE night.0 -
Can I nominate David Tredinnick for worst MP in the country. Lives in Sussex, 150 miles from his Leics constituency. A true waste of space.IanB2 said:
What nonsense! The worst MPs are those lazy ones sitting in impregnable safe FPTnP seats in both of the main parties, who do nothing for either their constituents or their country.Richard_Tyndall said:
She should defect to Labour. They deserve her as she is perhaps the worst MP in Parliament.IanB2 said:
+100williamglenn said:
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This is his own explanation:Norm said:While OGH likes harping on about the Tories leadership shortcomings I am not particularly impressed by lily livered Lib Dems failing to take on the not very Liberal Cable. Someone like Davey a former cabinet minister aged 51 should jump at the chance. Perhaps he see no future in it and talk of an impending new centrist party perhaps is a bit more than just talk.
"Our joy this weekend was seeing our two children play together. And when you understand that John (aged 9) is severely disabled, you will appreciate that seeing our 3 year old daughter make him laugh is quite special.
And if it helps explain my decision not to run just a little more, please remember that my father died when I was 4 and my mother when I was 15. Being there for my children over the next few crucial years and to see those special moments is my personal priority.
So my decision not to stand now to be Leader of our party is a difficult one, but it is rooted in my family."0 -
I agree 100%. She's great. She's my favourite MP of any party - and I say this as a Lib Dem member.The_Apocalypse said:
My favourite Tory MP. I was very glad to see that she held on in Broxtowe during GE night. For me, the brief interview with her on the BBC results show was the most memorable moment of election night.
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TudorRose said:
Maybe Theresa's days really are numbered....Beverley_C said:
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I always thought the phrase was a "charity shag". I've learnt something.MarqueeMark said:
There was a lot in that. Voting Labour this time was akin to a pity fuck....surbiton said:
There is an element of truth in that. Hence, my fervent call, Vote Labour, We cannot win !TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my Labour activist friends has another theory.Danny565 said:
But for all that much of the white working-class might have Kipperish tendencies on social issues, they still often have a traditional Labour view on economics and public services - especially the more North you go.dyedwoolie said:
Movement in 2015 and 2017 suggests the latter. There is a WWC, kipper, socially neutral, work focused JAM vote to Hoover up. They are lost imo to liberal London.Sean_F said:I don't know what the best strategy is for the Conservatives. Try to win back europhile liberals, in places like Battersea, Southgate, and Kensington? Or have such seats just gone the same way as Glasgow Hillhead, Manchester Withington, and Leeds NE and NW did, a generation ago? In which case, do they double down trying to win blue collar voters in places like Ashfield, Dudley North, Grimsby, in the same way Trump did?
Those voters stuck with Labour to stop Labour getting wiped out.
Had the polls been more accurate, Labour might have been screwed.0 -
Bless him.Barnesian said:
This is his own explanation:Norm said:While OGH likes harping on about the Tories leadership shortcomings I am not particularly impressed by lily livered Lib Dems failing to take on the not very Liberal Cable. Someone like Davey a former cabinet minister aged 51 should jump at the chance. Perhaps he see no future in it and talk of an impending new centrist party perhaps is a bit more than just talk.
"Our joy this weekend was seeing our two children play together. And when you understand that John (aged 9) is severely disabled, you will appreciate that seeing our 3 year old daughter make him laugh is quite special.
And if it helps explain my decision not to run just a little more, please remember that my father died when I was 4 and my mother when I was 15. Being there for my children over the next few crucial years and to see those special moments is my personal priority.
So my decision not to stand now to be Leader of our party is a difficult one, but it is rooted in my family."
Best wishes to him and his family. His decision is totally understandable.0
