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rcs1000 said:

Just so everyone knows, I've freed the Radiohead one.

Who?

Chris said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

foxinsoxuk said:

nrs3079 said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

BBC news website - FFS

"Corbyn draws crowds at Glastonbury"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

Yes another example of their balanced reporting. They're covering his trip to Tesco tomorrow while he does his weekly shop! I see Armed forces day is not even in their headlines section.

Fear not! the blessed Jezziah has raised awareness of AFD:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/878493139618586625

Isn't that pic from November 2015?

Sure, it is in Whitehall, and poppies are worn. Nonetheless his tweet on AFD is one of the highest retweets.

Those mocking JC at Glasto for his rapturous reception still don't get it.

He is not the first person with those initials to have been mocked by people who didn't know what they were doing.

I love Pulp too! Saw them live at the Brixton Academy and they were awesome.

Fuck the critics. We Love Life was a great album.

Is anyone listening to Dead Ringers (Radio Series)?

It's hilarious. In their two recent episodes, the impressions of TMay and Corbyn have been fantastic.

I see both them and Tracey Ullman are having fun with taking the mickey out of Arlene Foster

Sajid Javid has said 34 tower blocks have failed in 17 authorities.

He is doing a really good job on this. He was very impressive on the news earlier today

Also, sad to hear that Norman Lamb isn't standing in the LD leadership contest.

Looks like it's Vince versus Davey, in which case the former would be better than the latter. Vince is probably more left than most on PB would like, but he'll give the LDs some relevance that they've been lacking as of late. Cable is probably a bit more left than I am, but I'd vote for the LDs under him.

If the LDs really voted for Ed Davey as leader....then well it's time to totally abstain at the next GE.

The_Apocalypse said:

Also, sad to here that Norman Lamb isn't standing in the LD leadership contest.

Looks like it's Vince versus Davey, in which case the former would be better than the latter. Vince is probably more left than most on PB would like, but he'll give the LDs some relevance that they've been lacking as of late. Cable is probably a bit more left than I am, but I'd vote for the LDs under him.

If the LDs really voted for Ed Davey as leader....then well it's time to totally abstain at the next GE.

Vince has been talking good sense recently

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Also, sad to here that Norman Lamb isn't standing in the LD leadership contest.

Looks like it's Vince versus Davey, in which case the former would be better than the latter. Vince is probably more left than most on PB would like, but he'll give the LDs some relevance that they've been lacking as of late. Cable is probably a bit more left than I am, but I'd vote for the LDs under him.

If the LDs really voted for Ed Davey as leader....then well it's time to totally abstain at the next GE.

Vince has been talking good sense recently

What has he been saying? If I'm totally honest I haven't looked too closely at any recent statements Vince has said.

I did see him on QT fairly recently though, I thought he was decent on there.

For strong & stable, vote Vince Cable !

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Pulpstar said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Also, sad to here that Norman Lamb isn't standing in the LD leadership contest.

Looks like it's Vince versus Davey, in which case the former would be better than the latter. Vince is probably more left than most on PB would like, but he'll give the LDs some relevance that they've been lacking as of late. Cable is probably a bit more left than I am, but I'd vote for the LDs under him.

If the LDs really voted for Ed Davey as leader....then well it's time to totally abstain at the next GE.

Ye - Vince is to the left of me too, but I'll have to see what Ed Davey offers before casting my vote. Is Davey definitely running ?

Looks like the lib dems are never going to have the leader they need. Norman Lamb is a top MP and reaches out to many

Obama for Thanet South by-election

Pulpstar said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Also, sad to here that Norman Lamb isn't standing in the LD leadership contest.

Looks like it's Vince versus Davey, in which case the former would be better than the latter. Vince is probably more left than most on PB would like, but he'll give the LDs some relevance that they've been lacking as of late. Cable is probably a bit more left than I am, but I'd vote for the LDs under him.

If the LDs really voted for Ed Davey as leader....then well it's time to totally abstain at the next GE.

Ye - Vince is to the left of me too, but I'll have to see what Ed Davey offers before casting my vote. Is Davey definitely running ?

It's more of a working assumption I've made and Davey - unlike Lamb - has not ruled himself out publically. I haven't read any stories reporting that he won't stand either.

If Davey doesn't stand then it's likely to be a coronation for Vince.

I feel like Davey will be Farron MK2. I can't see him leading the LDs to any significant gains in a GE and think that he'll struggle to be heard in this new era of two-party politics. At least Vince is a big name.

The_Apocalypse said:

Also, sad to hear that Norman Lamb isn't standing in the LD leadership contest.

Looks like it's Vince versus Davey, in which case the former would be better than the latter. Vince is probably more left than most on PB would like, but he'll give the LDs some relevance that they've been lacking as of late. Cable is probably a bit more left than I am, but I'd vote for the LDs under him.

If the LDs really voted for Ed Davey as leader....then well it's time to totally abstain at the next GE.

Yes, I confess I was surprised Norman decided not to stand but that's up to him.

So far it's a race with only one runner and that's Vince who most members will support on the basis he will be a caretaker pending the mentoring and preparation of Jo Swinson to take the job in 2019 or 2020.

Fair enough - on the assumption the Conservative Government will stagger on propped up officially or otherwise by the DUP for the foreseeable.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Also, sad to here that Norman Lamb isn't standing in the LD leadership contest.

Looks like it's Vince versus Davey, in which case the former would be better than the latter. Vince is probably more left than most on PB would like, but he'll give the LDs some relevance that they've been lacking as of late. Cable is probably a bit more left than I am, but I'd vote for the LDs under him.

If the LDs really voted for Ed Davey as leader....then well it's time to totally abstain at the next GE.

Vince has been talking good sense recently

What has he been saying? If I'm totally honest I haven't looked too closely at any recent statements Vince has said.

I did see him on QT fairly recently though, I thought he was decent on there.

He was supporting the 1%t tax increase for the NHS but absolutely traducing Corbyn's marxist economics. If he is in a leaders debate with May/her successor and Corbyn he will demolish Corbyn on economics

And then go into coalition with him...

glw said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sajid Javid has said 34 tower blocks have failed in 17 authorities.

He is doing a really good job on this. He was very impressive on the news earlier today

I said the same down thread. He seems to have a grip on what is going on, and he wasn't making any excuses of spinning it either, simply telling people all that is being done.

I am impressed by how quick off the mark the BRE have been to plough through a huge number of tests, and it's good that we aren't trusting specifications but actually testing material from every relevant block.

We still need to figure out exactly what went wrong, but I'm now reasonably confident that we will learn a lot of lessons from Grenfall, and more importantly act upon them.

One thing I'd like to see after this is the BRE - or someone else - being able to be commissioned to do tests on materials. You're a council commissioning a new building? Take a couple of panels off at random and have them tested. Do it for other materials that might be suspect wrt flammability.

A bit like the mandatory testing of structural concrete.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Also, sad to here that Norman Lamb isn't standing in the LD leadership contest.

Looks like it's Vince versus Davey, in which case the former would be better than the latter. Vince is probably more left than most on PB would like, but he'll give the LDs some relevance that they've been lacking as of late. Cable is probably a bit more left than I am, but I'd vote for the LDs under him.

If the LDs really voted for Ed Davey as leader....then well it's time to totally abstain at the next GE.

Vince has been talking good sense recently

What has he been saying? If I'm totally honest I haven't looked too closely at any recent statements Vince has said.

I did see him on QT fairly recently though, I thought he was decent on there.

He was supporting the 1% tax increase for the NHS but absolutely traducing Corbyn's marxist economics and especially the increases in corporation tax proposed by Cornbyn. If he is in a leaders debate with May/her successor and Corbyn he will demolish Corbyn on economics

I'd love to see him take on McDonnell!

It's good to see Vince calling out Corbyneconomics though - he's a voice on the left that Corbynistas cannot easily dismiss in the way they would do with Orange Booker LDs or anyone who isn't on the very Left of the Labour party. Hopefully he can also be a voice for a more softer Brexit too.

@stodge I was shocked to hear Lamb wasn't running as well. It sounded like from his tweets that he was going to push a Soft Brexit line and thought that wouldn't be acceptable to the membership (who may be looking to continue Farron's line on the EU/Brexit). Would love to see Jo Swinson as leader in the future, but it seems she had concerns running for the leadership as a working mum. Her son will still be quite young even in 2019/2020, so I don't know how likely it would be that she'd be comfortable standing then.

The_Apocalypse said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Also, sad to here that Norman Lamb isn't standing in the LD leadership contest.

Looks like it's Vince versus Davey, in which case the former would be better than the latter. Vince is probably more left than most on PB would like, but he'll give the LDs some relevance that they've been lacking as of late. Cable is probably a bit more left than I am, but I'd vote for the LDs under him.

If the LDs really voted for Ed Davey as leader....then well it's time to totally abstain at the next GE.

Vince has been talking good sense recently

What has he been saying? If I'm totally honest I haven't looked too closely at any recent statements Vince has said.

I did see him on QT fairly recently though, I thought he was decent on there.

He was supporting the 1% tax increase for the NHS but absolutely traducing Corbyn's marxist economics and especially the increases in corporation tax proposed by Cornbyn. If he is in a leaders debate with May/her successor and Corbyn he will demolish Corbyn on economics

I'd love to see him take on McDonnell!

It's good to see Vince calling out Corbyneconomics though - he's a voice on the left that Corbynistas cannot easily dismiss in the way they would do with Orange Booker LDs or anyone who isn't on the very Left of the Labour party. Hopefully he can also be a voice for a more softer Brexit too.

@stodge I was shocked to hear Lamb wasn't running as well. It sounded like from his tweets that he was going to push a Soft Brexit line and thought that wouldn't be acceptable to the membership (who may be looking to continue Farron's line on the EU/Brexit). Would love to see Jo Swinson as leader in the future, but it seems she had concerns running for the leadership as a working mum. Her son will still be quite young even in 2019/2020, so I don't know how likely it would be that she'd be comfortable standing then.

Cable v McDonnell would be a disaster for McDonnell but if Cable is leader it will be Corbyn no doubt

Pulpstar said:

No matter how much of a shoo in he is though, Cable needs a contest for leader. It helps.

Actually, I don't think so with him. I think you know what you'll get with him.

Pulpstar said:

For strong & stable, vote Vince Cable !

Tonge and Cable

MikeSmithson said:

Pulpstar said:

For strong & stable, vote Vince Cable !

He's also able

to walk without assistance?

The_Apocalypse said:

@stodge I was shocked to hear Lamb wasn't running as well. It sounded like from his tweets that he was going to push a Soft Brexit line and thought that wouldn't be acceptable to the membership (who may be looking to continue Farron's line on the EU/Brexit). Would love to see Jo Swinson as leader in the future, but it seems she had concerns running for the leadership as a working mum. Her son will still be quite young even in 2019/2020, so I don't know how likely it would be that she'd be comfortable standing then.

Yes, Norman was trying to articulate a line on A50 and Brexit with which he clearly thought a lot of the Party would be uncomfortable.

It's worth repeating that 2/3 of the current LD membership joined AFTER 2015 and around 20% since the EU Referendum. The Party I joined in 1980 died with the Coalition and this new Party isn't one with which I'm wholly comfortable.

I've no problem with the Party campaigning to rejoin the EU though the terms of that re-joining need to be spelt out. The fact is whether we (as a party) like it or not, there was a vote to LEAVE and we have to carry forward that decision.

The terms on which we leave are of critical importance and the unwillingness of May to engage with those outside her Party and Government coupled with the view that whatever gruel is finally dished up in 2019 (which will be praised to the skies by some on here) will have to be accepted or we go off the cliff of WTO rules. There needs to be an option to revisit or extend the negotiation to ensure the best possible deal for the country.

I would also much prefer David Davis to be flanked by Keir Starmer and Vince Cable at the negotiating table.

stodge said:

The_Apocalypse said:

@stodge I was shocked to hear Lamb wasn't running as well. It sounded like from his tweets that he was going to push a Soft Brexit line and thought that wouldn't be acceptable to the membership (who may be looking to continue Farron's line on the EU/Brexit). Would love to see Jo Swinson as leader in the future, but it seems she had concerns running for the leadership as a working mum. Her son will still be quite young even in 2019/2020, so I don't know how likely it would be that she'd be comfortable standing then.

Yes, Norman was trying to articulate a line on A50 and Brexit with which he clearly thought a lot of the Party would be uncomfortable.

It's worth repeating that 2/3 of the current LD membership joined AFTER 2015 and around 20% since the EU Referendum. The Party I joined in 1980 died with the Coalition and this new Party isn't one with which I'm wholly comfortable.

I've no problem with the Party campaigning to rejoin the EU though the terms of that re-joining need to be spelt out. The fact is whether we (as a party) like it or not, there was a vote to LEAVE and we have to carry forward that decision.

The terms on which we leave are of critical importance and the unwillingness of May to engage with those outside her Party and Government coupled with the view that whatever gruel is finally dished up in 2019 (which will be praised to the skies by some on here) will have to be accepted or we go off the cliff of WTO rules. There needs to be an option to revisit or extend the negotiation to ensure the best possible deal for the country.

I would also much prefer David Davis to be flanked by Keir Starmer and Vince Cable at the negotiating table.

+1 on your thoughts regarding Brexit and the LDs. It's unfortunate in this country that (generally speaking) the membership of political parties aren't really in touch with public opinion. I voted Remain and am not very happy with Brexit but I've accepted that we are leaving.

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

Now onto a bottle of Sicilian red. Politics, what's that?

I can't take any of my wine with me to the US. So I'm currently drinking special occasion only wine* while watching The National.

* Ridge Montebello 2000

We just finished off a bottle of Grange, a special occasion wine for us. Our special occasion was running out of ordinary wine.

Cable managing to draw a line as to where his LDs are different from Labour will be fun. It simply can't be the case that we as a nation put forward clowns like Cable, and Corbyn for our greatest roles of state. What on earth is going on?

I really would vote for a Tesco Lemon rather than those two. The Tories are not much better.

tlg86 said:

Pulpstar said:

No matter how much of a shoo in he is though, Cable needs a contest for leader. It helps.

Actually, I don't think so with him. I think you know what you'll get with him.

Agreed...you need someone who looks like they enjoy themselves being the center of attention...,.Vince is your man for that....

May was a strange anomaly...someone who wanted all the trappings of the power, but without much of the front facing stuff....May would have made a much better awkward hereditary monarch

I know there's a lot more to free trade than just no tariffs, but if we ended up out of the single market and trade carried say a 5% tariff each way then on. £290bn imports and £230bn exports to the EU and we gained a net £3bn in tariffs, could the govt just pay all the tariff obligations of our exporters and use the other £3bn to help business or the NHS?

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Looks like the lib dems are never going to have the leader they need. Norman Lamb is a top MP and reaches out to many

Conservative partisans always say the LDs have the wrong leader - apparently Labour always has the wrong leader as well.

So we can safely ignore that viewpoint.

I do think a contest would be helpful as OGH argues. I don't have an issue with Vince being more on the Labour side of the street - nobody's talking Coalition or anything like that. The aim will and has to be to begin the rebuild of the local base which has taken years of battering.

With the thick end of 9000 Conservative Councillors out there there's going to be plenty of potential targets in the next few years starting with London next year. The possibility of regaining Richmond and Kingston from Conservative control would be helped with Vince in charge but I suspect after the GE a number of the capital's 600 Conservative Councillors will be feeling vulnerable.

Can you tell me when I have ever said the lib dems have the wrong leader. I have no problem with Vince Cable but Norman Lamb is excellent on social care and very sensible on most things. As far as labour is concerned I voted for Blair twice so your first sentence is an assumption that is not born out by facts

I thought Norman Lamb was a Tory.

It seems anyone who dares to have politics even marginally different from Jeremy Corbyn is considered to be a Tory by Corbynistas. To them, the words Conservative and Blairite have lost any coherent meaning. 'Tory' and 'Blairite' now simply mean 'anyone that I don't like' for Corbynistas.

GeoffM said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Looks like the lib dems are never going to have the leader they need. Norman Lamb is a top MP and reaches out to many

Conservative partisans always say the LDs have the wrong leader - apparently Labour always has the wrong leader as well.

So we can safely ignore that viewpoint.

And yet we should still listen to all of the non-Conservative partisans on here who say May is the wrong person?

Surely it has been mainly Tories expressing buyer's remorse over May.

DecrepitJohnL said:

GeoffM said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Looks like the lib dems are never going to have the leader they need. Norman Lamb is a top MP and reaches out to many

Conservative partisans always say the LDs have the wrong leader - apparently Labour always has the wrong leader as well.

So we can safely ignore that viewpoint.

And yet we should still listen to all of the non-Conservative partisans on here who say May is the wrong person?

Surely it has been mainly Tories expressing buyer's remorse over May.

They didn't even get to.buy her. They just found her in the bottom of their shopping bag.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Can you tell me when I have ever said the lib dems have the wrong leader. I have no problem with Vince Cable but Norman Lamb is excellent on social care and very sensible on most things. As far as labour is concerned I voted for Blair twice so your first sentence is an assumption that is not born out by facts

I'd certainly agree on your view of Norman Lamb and hope he will continue to have a high-profile role in the LD team.

surbiton said:

The_Apocalypse said:

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Looks like the lib dems are never going to have the leader they need. Norman Lamb is a top MP and reaches out to many

Conservative partisans always say the LDs have the wrong leader - apparently Labour always has the wrong leader as well.

So we can safely ignore that viewpoint.

I do think a contest would be helpful as OGH argues. I don't have an issue with Vince being more on the Labour side of the street - nobody's talking Coalition or anything like that. The aim will and has to be to begin the rebuild of the local base which has taken years of battering.

With the thick end of 9000 Conservative Councillors out there there's going to be plenty of potential targets in the next few years starting with London next year. The possibility of regaining Richmond and Kingston from Conservative control would be helped with Vince in charge but I suspect after the GE a number of the capital's 600 Conservative Councillors will be feeling vulnerable.

Can you tell me when I have ever said the lib dems have the wrong leader. I have no problem with Vince Cable but Norman Lamb is excellent on social care and very sensible on most things. As far as labour is concerned I voted for Blair twice so your first sentence is an assumption that is not born out by facts

I thought Norman Lamb was a Tory.

It seems anyone who dares to have politics even marginally different from Jeremy Corbyn is considered to be a Tory by Corbynistas. To them, the words Conservative and Blairite have lost any coherent meaning. 'Tory' and 'Blairite' now simply mean 'anyone that I don't like' for Corbynistas.

Actually I have never voted for Corbyn as I have made clear in PB a hundred times.

You did support Corbyn Labour's party at the ballot box though.

AndyJS said:

I'd like to thank John Curtice, Michael Thrasher, Colin Rallings, and everyone else involved with the exit polls over the last few elections for producing such accurate figures.

tyson said:

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Looks like the lib dems are never going to have the leader they need. Norman Lamb is a top MP and reaches out to many

Conservative partisans always say the LDs have the wrong leader - apparently Labour always has the wrong leader as well.

So we can safely ignore that viewpoint.

I do think a contest would be helpful as OGH argues. I don't have an issue with Vince being more on the Labour side of the street - nobody's talking Coalition or anything like that. The aim will and has to be to begin the rebuild of the local base which has taken years of battering.

With the thick end of 9000 Conservative Councillors out there there's going to be plenty of potential targets in the next few years starting with London next year. The possibility of regaining Richmond and Kingston from Conservative control would be helped with Vince in charge but I suspect after the GE a number of the capital's 600 Conservative Councillors will be feeling vulnerable.

Can you tell me when I have ever said the lib dems have the wrong leader. I have no problem with Vince Cable but Norman Lamb is excellent on social care and very sensible on most things. As far as labour is concerned I voted for Blair twice so your first sentence is an assumption that is not born out by facts

I thought Norman Lamb was a Tory.

All those LD reptiles who jumped into bed with the Tories deserve very little respect....Lamb and Cable and Davey...eoghh....but the ginger rodent was the worst. Thank goodness he hasn't made a return....

What were the LDs supposed to do, in 2010? I've never understood Labour complaints about the LDs decision to go into coalition with the Tories. The LDs had a choice between some LD policies being implemented in government to no LD policies being implemented.

A rainbow coalition would have never have worked.

A Conservative minority government wouldn't have worked either.

Where we supposed to have a second GE just to please those unhappy with the May 2010 GE result...and another would mostly likely have returned the same result as in May 2010.

And then what? We keep on sending to the public to the polls as minority governments and rainbow coalitions collapse?

The LDs merely took the hand they were dealt. The public chose to make the Conservatives the largest party. Back in 2010 I wasn't happy about that either, but it is what it is.

The_Apocalypse said:

tyson said:

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Looks like the lib dems are never going to have the leader they need. Norman Lamb is a top MP and reaches out to many

Conservative partisans always say the LDs have the wrong leader - apparently Labour always has the wrong leader as well.

So we can safely ignore that viewpoint.

I do think a contest would be helpful as OGH argues. I don't have an issue with Vince being more on the Labour side of the street - nobody's talking Coalition or anything like that. The aim will and has to be to begin the rebuild of the local base which has taken years of battering.

With the thick end of 9000 Conservative Councillors out there there's going to be plenty of potential targets in the next few years starting with London next year. The possibility of regaining Richmond and Kingston from Conservative control would be helped with Vince in charge but I suspect after the GE a number of the capital's 600 Conservative Councillors will be feeling vulnerable.

Can you tell me when I have ever said the lib dems have the wrong leader. I have no problem with Vince Cable but Norman Lamb is excellent on social care and very sensible on most things. As far as labour is concerned I voted for Blair twice so your first sentence is an assumption that is not born out by facts

I thought Norman Lamb was a Tory.

All those LD reptiles who jumped into bed with the Tories deserve very little respect....Lamb and Cable and Davey...eoghh....but the ginger rodent was the worst. Thank goodness he hasn't made a return....

What were the LDs supposed to do, in 2010? I've never understood Labour complaints about the LDs decision to go into coalition with the Tories. The LDs had a choice between some LD policies being implemented in government to no LD policies being implemented.

A rainbow coalition would have never have worked.

A Conservative minority government wouldn't have worked either.

Where we supposed to have a second GE just to please those unhappy with the May 2010 GE result...and another would mostly likely have returned the same result as in May 2010.

And then what? We keep on sending to the public to the polls as minority governments and rainbow coalitions collapse?

The LDs merely took the hand they were dealt. The public chose to make the Conservatives the largest party. Back in 2010 I wasn't happy about that either, but it is what it is.

And labour were more worried about who was going to take over from brown, they were never seriously interested in a deal with the lib dems

The_Apocalypse said:

tyson said:

The_Apocalypse said:

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

stodge said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Looks like the lib dems are never going to have the leader they need. Norman Lamb is a top MP and reaches out to many

Conservative partisans always say the LDs have the wrong leader - apparently Labour always has the wrong leader as well.

So we can safely ignore that viewpoint.

I do think a contest would be helpful as OGH argues. I don't have an issue with Vince being more on the Labour side of the street - nobody's talking Coalition or anything like that. The aim will and has to be to begin the rebuild of the local base which has taken years of battering.

With the thick end of 9000 Conservative Councillors out there there's going to be plenty of potential targets in the next few years starting with London next year. The possibility of regaining Richmond and Kingston from Conservative control would be helped with Vince in charge but I suspect after the GE a number of the capital's 600 Conservative Councillors will be feeling vulnerable.

Can you tell me when I have ever said the lib dems have the wrong leader. I have no problem with Vince Cable but Norman Lamb is excellent on social care and very sensible on most things. As far as labour is concerned I voted for Blair twice so your first sentence is an assumption that is not born out by facts

I thought Norman Lamb was a Tory.

It seems anyone who dares to have politics even marginally different from Jeremy Corbyn is considered to be a Tory by Corbynistas. To them, the words Conservative and Blairite have lost any coherent meaning. 'Tory' and 'Blairite' now simply mean 'anyone that I don't like' for Corbynistas.

As a new convert to Saint Jeremiah of Islington...that seems about right...get on the ride or fuck off...I'm OK with that...

You can't run a country like that though. Even if we were to get a Corbyn government, the public is unlikely to agree with everything Corbyn says. And then what? Will Corbynistas decide to lash out at ordinary voters for daring to disagree with them and not mindlessly follow everything he says? In a democracy, we accept that not everyone will agree with us.

Corbynistas appear to want to thought-police everyone.

But Corbyn has been so maligned by the right, and people like me who thought he would lead the party into destruction...that he deserves his place in the sun and now set his own terms...

At least I'm all aboard the good ship Corbyn...there are still loads of places for the likes of you and the many others who believe in social justice, equality and progressive politics....

tyson said:

@The Appocalypse.

Duh....a Supply and Confidence was all that was needed in 2010....
The sight of the LD's jettisoning their principles to jump into ministerial cars was perhaps the lowest kind of politics. Sickening. The LD's will forever be aligned to horrible, sickening, maligned cronyism....

And you have have the prospect of Vince Cable taking over.....poetic justice to a party that deserves all it gets quite frankly....

Supply and Confidence means that every vote aside from Queen Speech's speech is knife and edge vote and the government would have been unlikely to have been able to do much. In that case another GE would have been inevitable and the same scenario that I outlined in my previous post applies.

Re the LDs principles - the LDs have always been proponents of PR and coalition politics....thus getting into a coalition with the hope of electoral reform was hardly 'jettisoning' their principles.

The way you're talking I'd believe Labour are perfect....no. All the parties are flawed in some way. You could easily say Labour are the party that sold out their principles in regard to Iraq and cosying up to Bush, the GOP and Murdoch. The former of which is far worse than anything the LDs did in coalition. Or even in regard to Corbyn and his support for Hugo Chavez and going on RT and Iranian State TV. That's pretty morally problematic. And let's not even talk about John McDonnell, a Marxist....

Cable is hardly the worst thing that could happen to the LDs. That was Farron - and they somehow managed to gain seats under him!

Bizzare world, semi rational debate whilst listening to the foo fighters

Bobajob_PB said:

Jesus. It's happening. Corbyn is a rock star.

He really isn't.

The_Apocalypse said:

It seems anyone who dares to have politics even marginally different from Jeremy Corbyn is considered to be a Tory by Corbynistas. To them, the words Conservative and Blairite have lost any coherent meaning. 'Tory' and 'Blairite' now simply mean 'anyone that I don't like' for Corbynistas.

Corbynistas vary, just like any other group. I know lots, but can only think of two who correspond to your stereotype, which actually rather resembles the way they describe Tories as "all the same". With respect, PB works better when we don't generalise about each other.

But while at present I know what Corbyn's Labour is for, while the purpose of Conservatives (to stop Corbyn and get some unspecified kind of Brexit?) and the LibDems (another referendum and...?) is largely shrouded in mystery. That was ALSO true of Labour in 2010 - speaking as a candidate, it was all about "stop the Tories". I think that the explosion of youth interest in Corbyn is that he's brought idealism back into fashion - the Tories will be making a mistake if they think that just addressing tuition fees will make much differemnce.

JosiasJessop said:

One thing I'd like to see after this is the BRE - or someone else - being able to be commissioned to do tests on materials. You're a council commissioning a new building? Take a couple of panels off at random and have them tested. Do it for other materials that might be suspect wrt flammability.

A bit like the mandatory testing of structural concrete.

Totally agree with that. There's no point setting standards if nobody is properly checking they are adhered to, and that means actual testing not just checking documents.

nichomar said:

Bizzare world, semi rational debate whilst listening to the foo fighters

I was posting here last night and missed the Corbyn chant at Radiohead.....

The Foo Fighters are the ultimate crowd pleasers....

tyson said:

But Corbyn has been so maligned by the right, and people like me who thought he would lead the party into destruction...that he deserves his place in the sun and now set his own terms...

At least I'm all aboard the good ship Corbyn...there are still loads of places for the likes of you and the many others who believe in social justice, equality and progressive politics....

I'd agree with your first statement. Corbyn has proven his critics wrong and so deserves the space to set out his own stool. But that doesn't mean that disagreement shouldn't be allowed. Politicians are rarely always right, and that's the case even for Corbyn. There's a reason why all political careers end in failure. Leaders either take their party as far as they can go and stand down, or they become PM and go crazy in the end!