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With the first round of the Brexit talks apparently marked by the David Davis agreeing to the EU’s negotiating timetable and this afternoon the DUP raising doubts about whether they will support the Tories we are entering uncharted territory.
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First! Like Jeremy our saviour from the evil, baby-eating tories.
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Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.0 -
Second! Like Labour
Diane Abbot , Returning Officer0 -
Second! Like Jeremy the hopeless Marxist
[Edit: pipped at the post! And I was trying to cover all possibilities]
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But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.0 -
Mr. Eagles, probably. But they both left the Commons.0
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QS and Day Of Rage tomorrow!0
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No they didn't. They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.0 -
Marf has the same view of May maths that I do, I see!0
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Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.0 -
FAO Sean FPT
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FPT:Beverley_C said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I attended a wedding.Beverley_C said:
Why? What are you doing?TheScreamingEagles said:Off topic.
Spare a thought for us having to wear morning suits in London, replete with waistcoats, today!!
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Perhaps DUP wanted more money than Philip Hammond was willing to provide ?
The Tories might not want to be held to ransom even for a short period and decide to continue as a minority. Not as if the numbers make it viable for Labour to form a government.0 -
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.CarlottaVance said:
Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.0 -
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.0 -
And soon you'll recant about Brexit.SeanT said:
Yep. You were right. They were better than this.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
Depressing.
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A crazy hot political summer in prospect. Some should take refuge in this perfectly thought-of African refuge from the heat that's just appeared in Kensington :
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/jun/20/serpentine-pavilion-2017-francis-kere0 -
Don't be thick.Brom said:
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/8739787100383887370 -
Anyhoo, back to the canapés and bridesmaids.0
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Hasn't he recanted 150 times on Brexit already?TheScreamingEagles said:
And soon you'll recant about Brexit.SeanT said:
Yep. You were right. They were better than this.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
Depressing. 0 -
You keep adding in Osborne as if he is on the same level as DC just because you have a crush on him. It's tragic.TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't be thick.Brom said:
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/8739787100383887370 -
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.0 -
@PolhomeEditor: On BBC claims that Tory/DUP deal likely on Thursday, DUP source says: "I wouldn't rely on Beeb sources."0
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Tuesday – strange day for a wedding?TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, back to the canapés and bridesmaids.
Enjoy!0 -
The Evening Standard gunning for ex Ministers re Grenfell at
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/grenfell-tower-ministers-were-warned-of-a-tower-block-tragedy-if-no-sprinklers-fitted-a3568526.html
Sprinkler might not have stopped the fire going up the cladding but regarding the sprinkler recommendations the article says:
After further correspondence, then government minister Liberal Democrat Stephen Williams, replied: "I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that consideration of these specific potential changes is urgent and I am not willing to disrupt the work of this department by asking that these matters are brought forward."
The group replied: "We're at a loss to understand, how you had concluded that credible and independent evidence which had life safety implications, was NOT considered to be urgent.
"As a consequence the group wishes to point out to you that should a major fire tragedy, with loss of life, occur between now and 2017, in for example, a residential care facility or a purpose built block of flats, where the matters which had been raised here, were found to be contributory to the outcome, then the group would be bound to bring this to others' attention."0 -
Glad to see Ratty back!0
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This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.CarlottaVance said:
Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10154956153516939/?type=2&theater
Clegg:
“It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.0 -
Number of Conservative voters first General Election:
Cameron: 10,703,754
May: 13,667,2130 -
One truth that seems inescapable is that the Tories are really really crap and they've let a large swathe of the population down. The veneer of being the natural party of government is slipping away.0
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True, Corbyn will be worse though - and it'll be too late before everyone realises that.dyedwoolie said:One truth that seems inescapable is that the Tories are really really crap and they've let a large swathe of the population down. The veneer of being the natural party of government is slipping away.
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OK I'll play.Richard_H said:
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
So Johnny Mercer becomes Con leader and PM from the backbenches.
Then what? Will people stand for a PM they've never heard of? There would have to be an immediate election to give people their say surely?0 -
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happenPulpstar said:
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.CarlottaVance said:
Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10154956153516939/?type=2&theater
Clegg:
“It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.0 -
FPT:
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similarAlice_Aforethought said:
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.Casino_Royale said:
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.Pong said:The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
That would be just the start.0 -
Why am I not surprised given the backgrounds of Cameron and Osborne?Pulpstar said:
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.CarlottaVance said:
Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10154956153516939/?type=2&theater
Clegg:
“It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.0 -
I shouldn't get to excited Mike, the Rainbow Coalition of left wing pygmy's just aint gonna happen.0
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He can't remember who of Cameron and Osborne. Probably Osborne, and I'd believe Clegg over Osborne any day of the week and twice on sundays.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happenPulpstar said:
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.CarlottaVance said:
Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10154956153516939/?type=2&theater
Clegg:
“It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
It is precisely the sort of cold political calculation Osborne would calculate in his head.0 -
I expect that's why they're polling in the low thirties.....dyedwoolie said:One truth that seems inescapable is that the Tories are really really crap and they've let a large swathe of the population down. The veneer of being the natural party of government is slipping away.
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I wonder how George And Dave would have coped with recent events?David_Evershed said:The Evening Standard gunning for ex Ministers re Grenfell at
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/grenfell-tower-ministers-were-warned-of-a-tower-block-tragedy-if-no-sprinklers-fitted-a3568526.html
Sprinkler might not have stopped the fire going up the cladding but regarding the sprinkler recommendations the article says:
After further correspondence, then government minister Liberal Democrat Stephen Williams, replied: "I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that consideration of these specific potential changes is urgent and I am not willing to disrupt the work of this department by asking that these matters are brought forward."
The group replied: "We're at a loss to understand, how you had concluded that credible and independent evidence which had life safety implications, was NOT considered to be urgent.
"As a consequence the group wishes to point out to you that should a major fire tragedy, with loss of life, occur between now and 2017, in for example, a residential care facility or a purpose built block of flats, where the matters which had been raised here, were found to be contributory to the outcome, then the group would be bound to bring this to others' attention."
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Clegg couldn't even remember which party he voted for in his first general election.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happenPulpstar said:
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.CarlottaVance said:
Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10154956153516939/?type=2&theater
Clegg:
“It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.0 -
Give it a couple of weeksCarlottaVance said:
I expect that's why they're polling in the low thirties.....dyedwoolie said:One truth that seems inescapable is that the Tories are really really crap and they've let a large swathe of the population down. The veneer of being the natural party of government is slipping away.
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Over 2 million more people voted for May in 2017 than for Cameron in 2015.TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't be thick.Brom said:
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/873978710038388737
May is indeed crap. Cameron was clearly even worse.
Indeed Cameron was so crap he even got 1.5 million less votes than Corbyn. That is how atrociously bad your heroes were.0 -
No one had heard of Corbyn....GIN1138 said:
OK I'll play.Richard_H said:
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
So Johnny Mercer becomes Con leader and PM from the backbenches.
Then what? Will people stand for a PM they've never heard of? There would have to be an immediate election to give people their say surely?0 -
https://twitter.com/kayaburgess/status/874561360490889217CarlottaVance said:Number of Conservative voters first General Election:
Cameron: 10,703,754
May: 13,667,2130 -
Also
In December 2015, the all-party group wrote to the former Conservative minister James Wharton, and warned about the risk of fires spreading on the outside of buildings with cladding.0 -
Nah you'd remember that; a politician more so.Pulpstar said:
He can't remember who of Cameron and Osborne. Probably Osborne, and I'd believe Clegg over Osborne any day of the week and twice on sundays.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happenPulpstar said:
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.CarlottaVance said:
Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10154956153516939/?type=2&theater
Clegg:
“It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
It is precisely the sort of cold political calculation Osborne would calculate in his head.0 -
Only one of them won the Tories a majority in 25 years and it wasn't May.Richard_Tyndall said:
Over 2 million more people voted for May in 2017 than for Cameron in 2015.TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't be thick.Brom said:
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/873978710038388737
May is indeed crap. Cameron was clearly even worse.0 -
Yeah but he's LOTO and if he becomes PM he'll have to win a general election and secure a mandate from voters.Slackbladder said:
No one had heard of Corbyn....GIN1138 said:
OK I'll play.Richard_H said:
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
So Johnny Mercer becomes Con leader and PM from the backbenches.
Then what? Will people stand for a PM they've never heard of? There would have to be an immediate election to give people their say surely?0 -
Blimey that was a population surge! 7 years of failing to control immigration home to roost, I blame May and CameronTheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/kayaburgess/status/874561360490889217CarlottaVance said:Number of Conservative voters first General Election:
Cameron: 10,703,754
May: 13,667,2130 -
tooRichardWithey said:I shouldn't get to excited Mike, the Rainbow Coalition of left wing pygmy's just aint gonna happen.
pigmies
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Richard_H said:
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
Johnny Mercer, nice chap though he is, is a "one trick pony." He never takes part in debates in the HoC's unless it is about defence. Also he is a very poor speaker. Sadly, I wish it was otherwise.
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To hero worship politicians at your age is tragic. Only one of them walked away when they messed up and the going got tough. It wasn't May.TheScreamingEagles said:
Only one of them won the Tories a majority in 25 years and it wasn't May.Richard_Tyndall said:
Over 2 million more people voted for May in 2017 than for Cameron in 2015.TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't be thick.Brom said:
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/873978710038388737
May is indeed crap. Cameron was clearly even worse.0 -
I see the Unions are planning a "Red October" strategy to get Corbyn into No 10 by the Autumn. I remember Diane Abbott saying something along the lines of "wait until the Autumn" when answering criticism of Corbyn. Obviously they have been planning this for a long time. I suppose it is too much to hope that the government are doing any contingency planning for this?0
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I recommend Guernsey as a closer alternative - you show me any town in the U.K. population 64,000 with two Waitrose supermarkets and three M&S food stores. Half an hour from Gatwick.Beverley_C said:FPT:
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similarAlice_Aforethought said:
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.Casino_Royale said:
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.Pong said:The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
That would be just the start.0 -
4 wins out of 5 at Royal Ascot , Odds on Favourite Churchill let me down in the 4th race .0
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Edited. Point already made.0
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I'm not sure there will be much sympathy for Southern drivers turning down £75,000.LadyBucket said:I see the Unions are planning a "Red October" strategy to get Corbyn into No 10 by the Autumn. I remember Diane Abbott saying something along the lines of "wait until the Autumn" when answering criticism of Corbyn. Obviously they have been planning this for a long time. I suppose it is too much to hope that the government are doing any contingency planning for this?
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If it came to it would the SNP and LIb Dems risk putting Corbyn into number 10? Might they abstain on crucial votes to avoid this until the threat diminishes?0
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Yes, but I never knew he was gullible. Maybe he's got his tongue in his cheek.Richard_Nabavi said:Glad to see Ratty back!
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The SNP were telling voters to vote for them if they wanted Corbyn...NorthofStoke said:If it came to it would the SNP and LIb Dems risk putting Corbyn into number 10?
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Even if they wanted to put Corbyn into Number 10 (the Lib Dems have said they won't, though if Vince gets in, who knows?) the DUP I've no doubt would take great pleasure in voting down the IRA Corbyn.NorthofStoke said:If it came to it would the SNP and LIb Dems risk putting Corbyn into number 10? Might they abstain on crucial votes to avoid this until the threat diminishes?
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The SNP would. The Lib Dems would have a serious thinkNorthofStoke said:If it came to it would the SNP and LIb Dems risk putting Corbyn into number 10? Might they abstain on crucial votes to avoid this until the threat diminishes?
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I have not been in Guernsey in years. Pre-teens IIRC. I thought they had an immigration policy which is highly exclusive? They might not let me inCarlottaVance said:
I recommend Guernsey as a closer alternative - you show me any town in the U.K. population 64,000 with two Waitrose supermarkets and three M&S food stores. Half an hour from Gatwick.Beverley_C said:FPT:
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similarAlice_Aforethought said:
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.Casino_Royale said:
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.Pong said:The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
That would be just the start. 0 -
@SkyNewsBreak: Jo Swinson has been elected as deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats0
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She was the only candidate.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: Jo Swinson has been elected as deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats
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You're thinking of Jersey. In Guernsey all you have to do is buy a house in the "Open Market" - 1700 properties reserved for non-locals - prices similar to South East England. No CGT & no IHT. When I went for my first visit I asked if there was much crime. "Oh yes, there was a car stolen last month....."Beverley_C said:
I have not been in Guernsey in years. Pre-teens IIRC. I thought they had an immigration policy which is highly exclusive? They might not let me inCarlottaVance said:
I recommend Guernsey as a closer alternative - you show me any town in the U.K. population 64,000 with two Waitrose supermarkets and three M&S food stores. Half an hour from Gatwick.Beverley_C said:FPT:
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similarAlice_Aforethought said:
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.Casino_Royale said:
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.Pong said:The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
That would be just the start.0 -
Perhaps the Evening Standard could look into the effect that budgetary cuts had on the provisioning of fire prevention measures.LadyBucket said:
I wonder how George And Dave would have coped with recent events?David_Evershed said:The Evening Standard gunning for ex Ministers re Grenfell at
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/grenfell-tower-ministers-were-warned-of-a-tower-block-tragedy-if-no-sprinklers-fitted-a3568526.html
Sprinkler might not have stopped the fire going up the cladding but regarding the sprinkler recommendations the article says:
After further correspondence, then government minister Liberal Democrat Stephen Williams, replied: "I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that consideration of these specific potential changes is urgent and I am not willing to disrupt the work of this department by asking that these matters are brought forward."
The group replied: "We're at a loss to understand, how you had concluded that credible and independent evidence which had life safety implications, was NOT considered to be urgent.
"As a consequence the group wishes to point out to you that should a major fire tragedy, with loss of life, occur between now and 2017, in for example, a residential care facility or a purpose built block of flats, where the matters which had been raised here, were found to be contributory to the outcome, then the group would be bound to bring this to others' attention."
Their Editor would know a bit more, having been the Chancellor responsible for Austerity.0 -
And we all know Nicola is a woman of her word.......Scott_P said:
The SNP were telling voters to vote for them if they wanted Corbyn...NorthofStoke said:If it came to it would the SNP and LIb Dems risk putting Corbyn into number 10?
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Is there a reason Cable is 1.64/1.9 on Betfair to be next Lib Dem leader?0
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Not sure which is funnier.CarlottaVance said:And we all know Nicola is a woman of her word.......
Nicola binning Named Person, or Patrick whining that the Tories voted with the SNP on air duty0 -
Well he is the only runner so far.Morris_Dancer said:Is there a reason Cable is 1.64/1.9 on Betfair to be next Lib Dem leader?
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Mr. Pulpstar, but surely Lamb will stand?0
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Because he will in all probability winMorris_Dancer said:Is there a reason Cable is 1.64/1.9 on Betfair to be next Lib Dem leader?
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Osborne's a guaranteed election loser. The man responsible for Austerity would lead the Tories to further disaster. One only has to remember the chorus of booing he received at the Olympics in 2012 to see that.Brom said:
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.0 -
Mr. Senior, I hope you're wrong.
I did say that picking Farron was a mistake last time. The Lib Dems should go for Lamb.0 -
FPT.
Nope. The EU is on the record that if we abandon Brexit, we can only stay as members if we lose all our opt outs. That includes the euro and Schengen.SeanT said:
Not if we Remained (remember: we haven't left yet). We'd be EU members under the same terms as now (but we wouldn't get Cameron's deal).GIN1138 said:
The clock's ticking and the EU want us out so they can integrate into a Superstate without the pesky Brit's holding them back...SeanT said:I do wonder if Brexit will go through, now. This is chaos.
If we did call Brexit off we'd have to give up the rebate. Join the Euro. Submit to the army. Etc.
You do the Math.
The EU would welcome this, as being so much less hassle for everyone. Plus they'd get to laugh at us for being a bunch of clowns, and fair enough.
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Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.0 -
Depending on what one is spending, I think the aim should be to get citizenship as well as a property.Beverley_C said:
I have not been in Guernsey in years. Pre-teens IIRC. I thought they had an immigration policy which is highly exclusive? They might not let me inCarlottaVance said:
I recommend Guernsey as a closer alternative - you show me any town in the U.K. population 64,000 with two Waitrose supermarkets and three M&S food stores. Half an hour from Gatwick.Beverley_C said:FPT:
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similarAlice_Aforethought said:
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.Casino_Royale said:
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.Pong said:The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
That would be just the start.
Grand Cayman is a bit awkward and wants you to live there for 9 years first. I haven't looked into getting Barbados citizenship, but for the price of my London flat, I can have a 4-bedroom house with a pool and sea views. A £600k property would cost £18k in transaction costs to buy versus £38k in London just on the stamp duty.
It's not worth what it costs to live here.0 -
Davis caved over Brexit?RochdalePioneers said:Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.0 -
Yes it's off. Haven't you heard?RobD said:
Davis caved over Brexit?RochdalePioneers said:Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.
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Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.RobD said:
Davis caved over Brexit?RochdalePioneers said:Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.0 -
There was a poll of over 2000 LD members, it's on Wikipedia showing Lamb 1% ahead of Cable if all potential candidates are included. If it's just down to Cable and Lamb with the others excluded, Lamb is 4% ahead of Cable.MarkSenior said:
Because he will in all probability winMorris_Dancer said:Is there a reason Cable is 1.64/1.9 on Betfair to be next Lib Dem leader?
Both Lamb and Cable are from the SDP wing of the party but I would have thought the majority of their members come from the old Liberal wing. Former leader Charles Kennedy also came from the SDP.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/14/perks-end-uk-eu-guy-verhofstadtSeanT said:
Nah that's bollocks.ThreeQuidder said:FPT.
Nope. The EU is on the record that if we abandon Brexit, we can only stay as members if we lose all our opt outs. That includes the euro and Schengen.SeanT said:
Not if we Remained (remember: we haven't left yet). We'd be EU members under the same terms as now (but we wouldn't get Cameron's deal).GIN1138 said:
The clock's ticking and the EU want us out so they can integrate into a Superstate without the pesky Brit's holding them back...SeanT said:I do wonder if Brexit will go through, now. This is chaos.
If we did call Brexit off we'd have to give up the rebate. Join the Euro. Submit to the army. Etc.
You do the Math.
The EU would welcome this, as being so much less hassle for everyone. Plus they'd get to laugh at us for being a bunch of clowns, and fair enough.0 -
That talks about the rebate, but specifies the other opt outs are permanent.ThreeQuidder said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/14/perks-end-uk-eu-guy-verhofstadtSeanT said:
Nah that's bollocks.ThreeQuidder said:FPT.
Nope. The EU is on the record that if we abandon Brexit, we can only stay as members if we lose all our opt outs. That includes the euro and Schengen.SeanT said:
Not if we Remained (remember: we haven't left yet). We'd be EU members under the same terms as now (but we wouldn't get Cameron's deal).GIN1138 said:
The clock's ticking and the EU want us out so they can integrate into a Superstate without the pesky Brit's holding them back...SeanT said:I do wonder if Brexit will go through, now. This is chaos.
If we did call Brexit off we'd have to give up the rebate. Join the Euro. Submit to the army. Etc.
You do the Math.
The EU would welcome this, as being so much less hassle for everyone. Plus they'd get to laugh at us for being a bunch of clowns, and fair enough.
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More fantasists:williamglenn said:
The argument for leaving the single market is often focused around the need to end the free movement of people. However, we argue, and many experts agree, that changes to our immigration system can be made while keeping us inside it.0 -
You mean the EU timetable set out in April that Davis said there'd be a war about in May and agreed to yesterday?Richard_Nabavi said:
Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.RobD said:
Davis caved over Brexit?RochdalePioneers said:Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.
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I had thought the EU's initial position was that there would be no trade talks until the exit deal was signed?SouthamObserver said:
You mean the EU timetable set out in April that Davis said there'd be a war about in May and agreed to yesterday?Richard_Nabavi said:
Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.RobD said:
Davis caved over Brexit?RochdalePioneers said:Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.0 -
Indeed - we just lose the Cameron concessions, which Leavers said were worthless anyway.SeanT said:
Nah that's bollocks.ThreeQuidder said:FPT.
Nope. The EU is on the record that if we abandon Brexit, we can only stay as members if we lose all our opt outs. That includes the euro and Schengen.SeanT said:
Not if we Remained (remember: we haven't left yet). We'd be EU members under the same terms as now (but we wouldn't get Cameron's deal).GIN1138 said:
The clock's ticking and the EU want us out so they can integrate into a Superstate without the pesky Brit's holding them back...SeanT said:I do wonder if Brexit will go through, now. This is chaos.
If we did call Brexit off we'd have to give up the rebate. Join the Euro. Submit to the army. Etc.
You do the Math.
The EU would welcome this, as being so much less hassle for everyone. Plus they'd get to laugh at us for being a bunch of clowns, and fair enough.
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I've not seen any desire on the EU side to change FoM.Richard_Nabavi said:
More fantasists:williamglenn said:
The argument for leaving the single market is often focused around the need to end the free movement of people. However, we argue, and many experts agree, that changes to our immigration system can be made while keeping us inside it.0 -
No, I mean the timetable which has now been modified, the one which claimed that we couldn't even START talking about a trade deal until after we have left. It now turns out that we can start in a few weeks' time. It's an unqualified victory for the UK, and of course for common sense, but it's helpful that the UK press is pandering to the illusion that this is a 'win' for the EU27. We need to make sure they get some meaningless or illusory 'wins'.SouthamObserver said:
You mean the EU timetable set out in April that Davis said there'd be a war about in May and agreed to yesterday?Richard_Nabavi said:
Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.RobD said:
Davis caved over Brexit?RochdalePioneers said:Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.0 -
Verhofstadt mentioned the budget rebate. He doesn't decide, however. I think the budget rebate world likely go but I doubt we would have to join Schengen or the Euro. The EU wouldn't rang the disruption either.ThreeQuidder said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/14/perks-end-uk-eu-guy-verhofstadtSeanT said:
Nah that's bollocks.ThreeQuidder said:FPT.
Nope. The EU is on the record that if we abandon Brexit, we can only stay as members if we lose all our opt outs. That includes the euro and Schengen.SeanT said:
Not if we Remained (remember: we haven't left yet). We'd be EU members under the same terms as now (but we wouldn't get Cameron's deal).GIN1138 said:
The clock's ticking and the EU want us out so they can integrate into a Superstate without the pesky Brit's holding them back...SeanT said:I do wonder if Brexit will go through, now. This is chaos.
If we did call Brexit off we'd have to give up the rebate. Join the Euro. Submit to the army. Etc.
You do the Math.
The EU would welcome this, as being so much less hassle for everyone. Plus they'd get to laugh at us for being a bunch of clowns, and fair enough.0 -
Re the last thread, I think mass home-ownership as a thing in this country (for the future) is dead. As a nation we are going to have to change the way we see renting, and improve the situation for private renters, and it's as simple as that. Other European nations such as Germany have a high number of renters, and they don't seem to see it as a form of slavery - which is almost the way renting was characterised in the last thread.0
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No way they said that. They were juniors in the party when the Shirley Porter scandal hit. I doubt they even thought it, but it would never have been said.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happenPulpstar said:
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.CarlottaVance said:
Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10154956153516939/?type=2&theater
Clegg:
“It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
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Yes. It's simply a lie to say that the EU's position was that the trade deal wouldn't form part of the Brexit talks. The issue was the sequencing of those talks, and yesterday the UK accepted the EU's position.SouthamObserver said:
You mean the EU timetable set out in April that Davis said there'd be a war about in May and agreed to yesterday?Richard_Nabavi said:
Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.RobD said:
Davis caved over Brexit?RochdalePioneers said:Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.
We should know not to expect the truth from Leavers, particularly when the lies are written on public service vehicles.0 -
There is none. We've already been through this with Cameron; he got the maximum which was available, which wasn't much on that specific point, although the package as a whole was pretty good.RobD said:
I've not seen any desire on the EU side to change FoM.Richard_Nabavi said:
More fantasists:williamglenn said:
The argument for leaving the single market is often focused around the need to end the free movement of people. However, we argue, and many experts agree, that changes to our immigration system can be made while keeping us inside it.0 -
We shall see , I think the Swinsonites will mostly back Cable as the way to a Swinson succession in 3 or so years time .DeClare said:
There was a poll of over 2000 LD members, it's on Wikipedia showing Lamb 1% ahead of Cable if all potential candidates are included. If it's just down to Cable and Lamb with the others excluded, Lamb is 4% ahead of Cable.MarkSenior said:
Because he will in all probability winMorris_Dancer said:Is there a reason Cable is 1.64/1.9 on Betfair to be next Lib Dem leader?
Both Lamb and Cable are from the SDP wing of the party but I would have thought the majority of their members come from the old Liberal wing. Former leader Charles Kennedy also came from the SDP.0 -
I doubt it; it is the way many Tories think. I have heard precisely the same sentiment expressed in private by a senior Tory councillor.Charles said:
No way they said that. They were juniors in the party when the Shirley Porter scandal hit. I doubt they even thought it, but it would never have been said.TheScreamingEagles said:
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happenPulpstar said:
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.CarlottaVance said:
Yep......TheScreamingEagles said:
They both party first.CarlottaVance said:
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mrs May really is crap isn't she.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10154956153516939/?type=2&theater
Clegg:
“It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
Clegg is a liar0
