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With the first round of the Brexit talks apparently marked by the David Davis agreeing to the EU’s negotiating timetable and this afternoon the DUP raising doubts about whether they will support the Tories we are entering uncharted territory.
This is the very same Laura K who predicted that a deal would be clinched on the afternoon of June 13 – a week ago...
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Perhaps DUP wanted more money than Philip Hammond was willing to provide ?
The Tories might not want to be held to ransom even for a short period and decide to continue as a minority. Not as if the numbers make it viable for Labour to form a government.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....
They both party first.
Yep......
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.
A crazy hot political summer in prospect. Some should take refuge in this perfectly thought-of African refuge from the heat that's just appeared in Kensington :
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
Sprinkler might not have stopped the fire going up the cladding but regarding the sprinkler recommendations the article says:
After further correspondence, then government minister Liberal Democrat Stephen Williams, replied: "I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that consideration of these specific potential changes is urgent and I am not willing to disrupt the work of this department by asking that these matters are brought forward."
The group replied: "We're at a loss to understand, how you had concluded that credible and independent evidence which had life safety implications, was NOT considered to be urgent.
"As a consequence the group wishes to point out to you that should a major fire tragedy, with loss of life, occur between now and 2017, in for example, a residential care facility or a purpose built block of flats, where the matters which had been raised here, were found to be contributory to the outcome, then the group would be bound to bring this to others' attention."
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....
They both party first.
Yep......
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:
Clegg: “It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
One truth that seems inescapable is that the Tories are really really crap and they've let a large swathe of the population down. The veneer of being the natural party of government is slipping away.
One truth that seems inescapable is that the Tories are really really crap and they've let a large swathe of the population down. The veneer of being the natural party of government is slipping away.
True, Corbyn will be worse though - and it'll be too late before everyone realises that.
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
OK I'll play.
So Johnny Mercer becomes Con leader and PM from the backbenches.
Then what? Will people stand for a PM they've never heard of? There would have to be an immediate election to give people their say surely?
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....
They both party first.
Yep......
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:
Clegg: “It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happen
The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.
That would be just the start.
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similar
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....
They both party first.
Yep......
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:
Clegg: “It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
Why am I not surprised given the backgrounds of Cameron and Osborne?
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....
They both party first.
Yep......
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:
Clegg: “It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happen
He can't remember who of Cameron and Osborne. Probably Osborne, and I'd believe Clegg over Osborne any day of the week and twice on sundays. It is precisely the sort of cold political calculation Osborne would calculate in his head.
One truth that seems inescapable is that the Tories are really really crap and they've let a large swathe of the population down. The veneer of being the natural party of government is slipping away.
I expect that's why they're polling in the low thirties.....
Sprinkler might not have stopped the fire going up the cladding but regarding the sprinkler recommendations the article says:
After further correspondence, then government minister Liberal Democrat Stephen Williams, replied: "I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that consideration of these specific potential changes is urgent and I am not willing to disrupt the work of this department by asking that these matters are brought forward."
The group replied: "We're at a loss to understand, how you had concluded that credible and independent evidence which had life safety implications, was NOT considered to be urgent.
"As a consequence the group wishes to point out to you that should a major fire tragedy, with loss of life, occur between now and 2017, in for example, a residential care facility or a purpose built block of flats, where the matters which had been raised here, were found to be contributory to the outcome, then the group would be bound to bring this to others' attention."
I wonder how George And Dave would have coped with recent events?
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....
They both party first.
Yep......
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:
Clegg: “It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happen
Clegg couldn't even remember which party he voted for in his first general election.
One truth that seems inescapable is that the Tories are really really crap and they've let a large swathe of the population down. The veneer of being the natural party of government is slipping away.
I expect that's why they're polling in the low thirties.....
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
OK I'll play.
So Johnny Mercer becomes Con leader and PM from the backbenches.
Then what? Will people stand for a PM they've never heard of? There would have to be an immediate election to give people their say surely?
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.
In December 2015, the all-party group wrote to the former Conservative minister James Wharton, and warned about the risk of fires spreading on the outside of buildings with cladding.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....
They both party first.
Yep......
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:
Clegg: “It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happen
He can't remember who of Cameron and Osborne. Probably Osborne, and I'd believe Clegg over Osborne any day of the week and twice on sundays. It is precisely the sort of cold political calculation Osborne would calculate in his head.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
OK I'll play.
So Johnny Mercer becomes Con leader and PM from the backbenches.
Then what? Will people stand for a PM they've never heard of? There would have to be an immediate election to give people their say surely?
No one had heard of Corbyn....
Yeah but he's LOTO and if he becomes PM he'll have to win a general election and secure a mandate from voters.
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
Johnny Mercer, nice chap though he is, is a "one trick pony." He never takes part in debates in the HoC's unless it is about defence. Also he is a very poor speaker. Sadly, I wish it was otherwise.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.
I see the Unions are planning a "Red October" strategy to get Corbyn into No 10 by the Autumn. I remember Diane Abbott saying something along the lines of "wait until the Autumn" when answering criticism of Corbyn. Obviously they have been planning this for a long time. I suppose it is too much to hope that the government are doing any contingency planning for this?
The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.
That would be just the start.
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similar
I recommend Guernsey as a closer alternative - you show me any town in the U.K. population 64,000 with two Waitrose supermarkets and three M&S food stores. Half an hour from Gatwick.
I see the Unions are planning a "Red October" strategy to get Corbyn into No 10 by the Autumn. I remember Diane Abbott saying something along the lines of "wait until the Autumn" when answering criticism of Corbyn. Obviously they have been planning this for a long time. I suppose it is too much to hope that the government are doing any contingency planning for this?
I'm not sure there will be much sympathy for Southern drivers turning down £75,000.
If it came to it would the SNP and LIb Dems risk putting Corbyn into number 10? Might they abstain on crucial votes to avoid this until the threat diminishes?
If it came to it would the SNP and LIb Dems risk putting Corbyn into number 10? Might they abstain on crucial votes to avoid this until the threat diminishes?
Even if they wanted to put Corbyn into Number 10 (the Lib Dems have said they won't, though if Vince gets in, who knows?) the DUP I've no doubt would take great pleasure in voting down the IRA Corbyn.
If it came to it would the SNP and LIb Dems risk putting Corbyn into number 10? Might they abstain on crucial votes to avoid this until the threat diminishes?
The SNP would. The Lib Dems would have a serious think
The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.
That would be just the start.
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similar
I recommend Guernsey as a closer alternative - you show me any town in the U.K. population 64,000 with two Waitrose supermarkets and three M&S food stores. Half an hour from Gatwick.
I have not been in Guernsey in years. Pre-teens IIRC. I thought they had an immigration policy which is highly exclusive? They might not let me in
The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.
That would be just the start.
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similar
I recommend Guernsey as a closer alternative - you show me any town in the U.K. population 64,000 with two Waitrose supermarkets and three M&S food stores. Half an hour from Gatwick.
I have not been in Guernsey in years. Pre-teens IIRC. I thought they had an immigration policy which is highly exclusive? They might not let me in
You're thinking of Jersey. In Guernsey all you have to do is buy a house in the "Open Market" - 1700 properties reserved for non-locals - prices similar to South East England. No CGT & no IHT. When I went for my first visit I asked if there was much crime. "Oh yes, there was a car stolen last month....."
Sprinkler might not have stopped the fire going up the cladding but regarding the sprinkler recommendations the article says:
After further correspondence, then government minister Liberal Democrat Stephen Williams, replied: "I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that consideration of these specific potential changes is urgent and I am not willing to disrupt the work of this department by asking that these matters are brought forward."
The group replied: "We're at a loss to understand, how you had concluded that credible and independent evidence which had life safety implications, was NOT considered to be urgent.
"As a consequence the group wishes to point out to you that should a major fire tragedy, with loss of life, occur between now and 2017, in for example, a residential care facility or a purpose built block of flats, where the matters which had been raised here, were found to be contributory to the outcome, then the group would be bound to bring this to others' attention."
I wonder how George And Dave would have coped with recent events?
Perhaps the Evening Standard could look into the effect that budgetary cuts had on the provisioning of fire prevention measures.
Their Editor would know a bit more, having been the Chancellor responsible for Austerity.
The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
You're like a broken record. So boring. No one would take George back, he is damaged goods and despised. Perhaps you need to move on and look at talented future politicians rather than sleazy journalists.
Osborne's a guaranteed election loser. The man responsible for Austerity would lead the Tories to further disaster. One only has to remember the chorus of booing he received at the Olympics in 2012 to see that.
The difference is labour actually had a plan to pay for their no-death-tax.
Yes, find a rainbow and dig up the gold.
Your point was a good one: had Labour won, under Corbyn/McDonnell, a lot of the money they'd expect to squeeze out of the populace would have simply disappeared.
I had contingency plans to transfer £10k over to my cousin in Canada (who I trust implicitly) to hold for me in trust, and my parents in an offshore Jersey account.
I am now looking at selling my London flat and using the proceeds to buy a house in Barbados. Negligible transaction costs, no IHT, negligible income tax and closely tied to the dollar, so a good hedge for when the £ gets debauched.
That would be just the start.
It is more exotic that what I had in mind, but our plans are similar
I recommend Guernsey as a closer alternative - you show me any town in the U.K. population 64,000 with two Waitrose supermarkets and three M&S food stores. Half an hour from Gatwick.
I have not been in Guernsey in years. Pre-teens IIRC. I thought they had an immigration policy which is highly exclusive? They might not let me in
Depending on what one is spending, I think the aim should be to get citizenship as well as a property.
Grand Cayman is a bit awkward and wants you to live there for 9 years first. I haven't looked into getting Barbados citizenship, but for the price of my London flat, I can have a 4-bedroom house with a pool and sea views. A £600k property would cost £18k in transaction costs to buy versus £38k in London just on the stamp duty.
Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.
Davis caved over Brexit?
Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.
Is there a reason Cable is 1.64/1.9 on Betfair to be next Lib Dem leader?
Because he will in all probability win
There was a poll of over 2000 LD members, it's on Wikipedia showing Lamb 1% ahead of Cable if all potential candidates are included. If it's just down to Cable and Lamb with the others excluded, Lamb is 4% ahead of Cable.
Both Lamb and Cable are from the SDP wing of the party but I would have thought the majority of their members come from the old Liberal wing. Former leader Charles Kennedy also came from the SDP.
The argument for leaving the single market is often focused around the need to end the free movement of people. However, we argue, and many experts agree, that changes to our immigration system can be made while keeping us inside it.
Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.
Davis caved over Brexit?
Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.
You mean the EU timetable set out in April that Davis said there'd be a war about in May and agreed to yesterday?
Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.
Davis caved over Brexit?
Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.
You mean the EU timetable set out in April that Davis said there'd be a war about in May and agreed to yesterday?
I had thought the EU's initial position was that there would be no trade talks until the exit deal was signed?
The argument for leaving the single market is often focused around the need to end the free movement of people. However, we argue, and many experts agree, that changes to our immigration system can be made while keeping us inside it.
I've not seen any desire on the EU side to change FoM.
Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.
Davis caved over Brexit?
Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.
You mean the EU timetable set out in April that Davis said there'd be a war about in May and agreed to yesterday?
No, I mean the timetable which has now been modified, the one which claimed that we couldn't even START talking about a trade deal until after we have left. It now turns out that we can start in a few weeks' time. It's an unqualified victory for the UK, and of course for common sense, but it's helpful that the UK press is pandering to the illusion that this is a 'win' for the EU27. We need to make sure they get some meaningless or illusory 'wins'.
Verhofstadt mentioned the budget rebate. He doesn't decide, however. I think the budget rebate world likely go but I doubt we would have to join Schengen or the Euro. The EU wouldn't rang the disruption either.
Re the last thread, I think mass home-ownership as a thing in this country (for the future) is dead. As a nation we are going to have to change the way we see renting, and improve the situation for private renters, and it's as simple as that. Other European nations such as Germany have a high number of renters, and they don't seem to see it as a form of slavery - which is almost the way renting was characterised in the last thread.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....
They both party first.
Yep......
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:
Clegg: “It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happen
No way they said that. They were juniors in the party when the Shirley Porter scandal hit. I doubt they even thought it, but it would never have been said.
Yesterday. Davies caves over Brexit. Today the DUP demolish May over the "done deal" with the DUP.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.
Davis caved over Brexit?
Presumably he's referring to the EU27 accepting that the trade deal will form part of the Brexit talks, in stark contradiction to their starting position.
You mean the EU timetable set out in April that Davis said there'd be a war about in May and agreed to yesterday?
Yes. It's simply a lie to say that the EU's position was that the trade deal wouldn't form part of the Brexit talks. The issue was the sequencing of those talks, and yesterday the UK accepted the EU's position.
We should know not to expect the truth from Leavers, particularly when the lies are written on public service vehicles.
The argument for leaving the single market is often focused around the need to end the free movement of people. However, we argue, and many experts agree, that changes to our immigration system can be made while keeping us inside it.
I've not seen any desire on the EU side to change FoM.
There is none. We've already been through this with Cameron; he got the maximum which was available, which wasn't much on that specific point, although the package as a whole was pretty good.
Is there a reason Cable is 1.64/1.9 on Betfair to be next Lib Dem leader?
Because he will in all probability win
There was a poll of over 2000 LD members, it's on Wikipedia showing Lamb 1% ahead of Cable if all potential candidates are included. If it's just down to Cable and Lamb with the others excluded, Lamb is 4% ahead of Cable.
Both Lamb and Cable are from the SDP wing of the party but I would have thought the majority of their members come from the old Liberal wing. Former leader Charles Kennedy also came from the SDP.
We shall see , I think the Swinsonites will mostly back Cable as the way to a Swinson succession in 3 or so years time .
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
But they went off in a huff...so they can't.....
They both party first.
Yep......
Mrs May was intent on ripping up the 2015 manifesto (see grammar schools as an example) and Dave didn't want the story to be about him consistently voting against the Tories.
This is the main reason I'm in the Lib Dems and not the Tories:
Clegg: “It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
If he can't remember who said it then it didn't happen
No way they said that. They were juniors in the party when the Shirley Porter scandal hit. I doubt they even thought it, but it would never have been said.
Clegg is a liar
I doubt it; it is the way many Tories think. I have heard precisely the same sentiment expressed in private by a senior Tory councillor.
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The longer she stays the more likely it is Corbyn becomes PM.
I bet the party would take back Dave and George in a heartbeat.
Diane Abbot , Returning Officer
[Edit: pipped at the post! And I was trying to cover all possibilities]
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This is the very same Laura K who predicted that a deal would be clinched on the afternoon of June 13 – a week ago...
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Perhaps DUP wanted more money than Philip Hammond was willing to provide ?
The Tories might not want to be held to ransom even for a short period and decide to continue as a minority. Not as if the numbers make it viable for Labour to form a government.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/jun/20/serpentine-pavilion-2017-francis-kere
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/873978710038388737
Theresa May will be gone by the Tory party conference in October and be replaced by someone who can unite the party. As a total wildcard, Johnny Mercer the ex Army Captain might be a popular choice, if he decided to stand. Probbably better than Bojo or Hammond or any of the current frontrunners.
Enjoy!
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/grenfell-tower-ministers-were-warned-of-a-tower-block-tragedy-if-no-sprinklers-fitted-a3568526.html
Sprinkler might not have stopped the fire going up the cladding but regarding the sprinkler recommendations the article says:
After further correspondence, then government minister Liberal Democrat Stephen Williams, replied: "I have neither seen nor heard anything that would suggest that consideration of these specific potential changes is urgent and I am not willing to disrupt the work of this department by asking that these matters are brought forward."
The group replied: "We're at a loss to understand, how you had concluded that credible and independent evidence which had life safety implications, was NOT considered to be urgent.
"As a consequence the group wishes to point out to you that should a major fire tragedy, with loss of life, occur between now and 2017, in for example, a residential care facility or a purpose built block of flats, where the matters which had been raised here, were found to be contributory to the outcome, then the group would be bound to bring this to others' attention."
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Clegg:
“It would have been in a Quad meeting, so either Cameron or Osborne. One of them – I honestly can’t remember whom – looked genuinely nonplussed and said, ‘I don’t understand why you keep going on about the need for more social housing – it just creates Labour voters.’ They genuinely saw housing as a petri dish for voters. It was unbelievable,” he said.
Shocking, talk about party before country.
Cameron: 10,703,754
May: 13,667,213
So Johnny Mercer becomes Con leader and PM from the backbenches.
Then what? Will people stand for a PM they've never heard of? There would have to be an immediate election to give people their say surely?
It is precisely the sort of cold political calculation Osborne would calculate in his head.
May is indeed crap. Cameron was clearly even worse.
Indeed Cameron was so crap he even got 1.5 million less votes than Corbyn. That is how atrociously bad your heroes were.
In December 2015, the all-party group wrote to the former Conservative minister James Wharton, and warned about the risk of fires spreading on the outside of buildings with cladding.
pigmies
Johnny Mercer, nice chap though he is, is a "one trick pony." He never takes part in debates in the HoC's unless it is about defence. Also he is a very poor speaker. Sadly, I wish it was otherwise.
Their Editor would know a bit more, having been the Chancellor responsible for Austerity.
Nicola binning Named Person, or Patrick whining that the Tories voted with the SNP on air duty
I did say that picking Farron was a mistake last time. The Lib Dems should go for Lamb.
Strong and stable with Theresa May. Oh yes.
Grand Cayman is a bit awkward and wants you to live there for 9 years first. I haven't looked into getting Barbados citizenship, but for the price of my London flat, I can have a 4-bedroom house with a pool and sea views. A £600k property would cost £18k in transaction costs to buy versus £38k in London just on the stamp duty.
It's not worth what it costs to live here.
Both Lamb and Cable are from the SDP wing of the party but I would have thought the majority of their members come from the old Liberal wing. Former leader Charles Kennedy also came from the SDP.
The argument for leaving the single market is often focused around the need to end the free movement of people. However, we argue, and many experts agree, that changes to our immigration system can be made while keeping us inside it.
Clegg is a liar
We should know not to expect the truth from Leavers, particularly when the lies are written on public service vehicles.