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There may not be another general election for 5 years, we know Brexit talks start tomorrow, Hammond is by far and away the best contendor to lead those and how the Brexit talks go will be a key factor in determining the next election resultkle4 said:Well, dull competence was what made TMay seem the best option last time, and things have not exactly worked out for the Tories. On the same reasoning I'd much prefer Hammond to Boris, and therefore the former is probably not the best option, alas - the people want someone to emote at them incoherently, clearly, and high risk that he is, Boris can manage that better than others. Plus as a former Remainer the headbanger crowd who have presumably been behind the rumours for months that Hammond was sidelined and going to be sacked, would not stand for it.
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Can I float two more options.
Lord Hague
and
Lord Howard
Both have led the party before. Both have the ministerial experience.
Both would, I think, be useful 'in a crisis' leaders.0 -
Both went down to defeat in General Elections on Eurosceptic platforms.Mortimer said:Can I float two more options.
Lord Hague
and
Lord Howard
Both have led the party before. Both have the ministerial experience.
Both would, I think, be useful 'in a crisis' leaders.0 -
Davis v Boris = happy with either.
Can't imagine the bedwetters will be though - which is a good sign.0 -
They would need to stand for the Commons on appointment. I see very little sign that Howard would want to do so, and probably not Hague. Plus the by-election would be fraught with dangers.Mortimer said:Can I float two more options.
Lord Hague
and
Lord Howard
Both have led the party before. Both have the ministerial experience.
Both would, I think, be useful 'in a crisis' leaders.0 -
There is absolutely zero chance of the province moving to the party system of the rest of the UK at this stage, possibly ever.nunuone said:
And Cameron in the southwest....Pulpstar said:
Oh no not Ed Davey >:Goupillon said:As I said a few days ago Ed Davey Leader and Jo Swinson Deputy Leader - as soon as possible because the Liberal Democrats need to be able to effectively express their views in this current very unstable time.
Better than Vince I suppose - but the party has to reach beyond Southwest London I think !
Check out the wholesale hollowing out job Ruth Davidson has done on the Lib Dem Highland vote.
I think at the next election Tories should really target N.Ireland seats, perhaps they cab do to the DUP what they did to the libdems.
Seriously, Cable should be leader, you need someone with a high profile right now.
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General election next scheduled for 2022, so.....williamglenn said:
Both went down to defeat in General Elections on Eurosceptic platforms.Mortimer said:Can I float two more options.
Lord Hague
and
Lord Howard
Both have led the party before. Both have the ministerial experience.
Both would, I think, be useful 'in a crisis' leaders.0 -
Neither will have the slightest interest in doing that, both have already been party leader and lost and it hardly sends much of a message to the EU if we have to get a leader to negotiate with them who the British people have already rejectedMortimer said:
General election next scheduled for 2022, so.....williamglenn said:
Both went down to defeat in General Elections on Eurosceptic platforms.Mortimer said:Can I float two more options.
Lord Hague
and
Lord Howard
Both have led the party before. Both have the ministerial experience.
Both would, I think, be useful 'in a crisis' leaders.0 -
It is an inside account of the 2016 leadership race and has had some very interesting insights into Team Boris, Team May, Team Gove and Team LeadsomTGOHF said:0 -
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The letter EPhilip_Thompson said:
What are the big differences between Macron and Cameron?HYUFD said:
He certainly would not be running for the leadership of Corbyn Labour or the Torieswilliamglenn said:
I can't help feeling that the last place a British Macron would find himself is running for the leadership of the Lib Dems.HYUFD said:
Pretty much, if Macron was running in the LD leadership race he would sweep to victoryJackW said:
French Independent Liberal Democrats Orange Bookers Winning Over There.HYUFD said:
A clear majority for Macron in the legislature to match his clear victory in the presidential election, so he has the mandate, he now needs to deliverJackW said:French Parliamentary Election - Turnout 43.5%
Projection 577 seats :
LREM - 355
LR - 125
PS - 49
LFI 30
FN - 8 (LePen Wins)0 -
Not Davis surely. Hammond is better.Scott_P said:0 -
Labour is never as weak or as strong as it looks. It was never going to be wiped off the map as some thought only a few months ago. It isn't a shoe in for the next election now.Stark_Dawning said:
Disagree. The Tories now have full ownership of Brexit, and there's not a single sensible commentator who says this won't result in a noticeable economic hit. So the Tories' reputation for dull-but-pragmatic competence has been sacrificed on the alter of ideology. Their only option now is to counter the Corbyn phenomenon with a rock star of their own. Dreary bank managers won't cut it.The_Apocalypse said:May's issue is not that she is dull, but that she is incompetent. Conservative leaders have never sold themselves as lovable or exciting figures. They have, however, sold themselves as competent figures, and when that falls apart the sh*t really does hit the fan for the party. This is why Hammond may not be such a bad choice - he is dull, but may well be far more competent than May was. I believe May's deficiencies led an increasing number of voters to take a second look at Jeremy Corbyn and Corbyn took advantage of that opportunity.
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It will be a shoe in with Davis as Tory leader.Recidivist said:
Labour is never as weak or as strong as it looks. It was never going to be wiped off the map as some thought only a few months ago. It isn't a shoe in for the next election now.Stark_Dawning said:
Disagree. The Tories now have full ownership of Brexit, and there's not a single sensible commentator who says this won't result in a noticeable economic hit. So the Tories' reputation for dull-but-pragmatic competence has been sacrificed on the alter of ideology. Their only option now is to counter the Corbyn phenomenon with a rock star of their own. Dreary bank managers won't cut it.The_Apocalypse said:May's issue is not that she is dull, but that she is incompetent. Conservative leaders have never sold themselves as lovable or exciting figures. They have, however, sold themselves as competent figures, and when that falls apart the sh*t really does hit the fan for the party. This is why Hammond may not be such a bad choice - he is dull, but may well be far more competent than May was. I believe May's deficiencies led an increasing number of voters to take a second look at Jeremy Corbyn and Corbyn took advantage of that opportunity.
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42% did not vote for Corbyn for a reasonchloe said:
It will be a shoe in with Davis as Tory leader.Recidivist said:
Labour is never as weak or as strong as it looks. It was never going to be wiped off the map as some thought only a few months ago. It isn't a shoe in for the next election now.Stark_Dawning said:
Disagree. The Tories now have full ownership of Brexit, and there's not a single sensible commentator who says this won't result in a noticeable economic hit. So the Tories' reputation for dull-but-pragmatic competence has been sacrificed on the alter of ideology. Their only option now is to counter the Corbyn phenomenon with a rock star of their own. Dreary bank managers won't cut it.The_Apocalypse said:May's issue is not that she is dull, but that she is incompetent. Conservative leaders have never sold themselves as lovable or exciting figures. They have, however, sold themselves as competent figures, and when that falls apart the sh*t really does hit the fan for the party. This is why Hammond may not be such a bad choice - he is dull, but may well be far more competent than May was. I believe May's deficiencies led an increasing number of voters to take a second look at Jeremy Corbyn and Corbyn took advantage of that opportunity.
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Not surprising to see you still hate the basic concept of democracy. You really are the most despicable of people.Chris_A said:
They weren't equipped to make the choice last year. Stupid Tories still let them though and are reaping the rewards. Shame we're all buggered with themDadge said:
I think offering another referendum would be too dangerous. If it's "Accept the terms / don't accept the terms", the public will probably vote against ANY terms. That's what the public are like. If the referendum is "Choose between these 2 or 3 Brexit options" you're asking non-experts to make a choice they're not equipped to make. Turn out would probably be low and not give a mandate. I think the chance of there being another referendum is virtually nil, unless there's a political consensus that the country has changed its mind.Stark_Dawning said:Boris should be anointed leader, and he should stand up and say the following: 'Look, the two-year timeline was ridiculous so we're asking our EU friends for an indefinite extension. If, after that, we haven't got a deal that pleases everyone, we'll have another referendum whose options are Dave's Deal or WTO'. If they did that the Tories would win the next GE with a landslide.
But assuming that Brexit goes ahead, going in to the next election as the party of Brexit will never give the Tories a good result.0
