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If they can't find anything IRA and Corbyn there is always a chance of something with Hamas and Hezbollah. It's not like Corbyn was that picky with his terrorist groups.0
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I like how many PBers now agree with me that Mrs May is crap. #VisionaryAlanbrooke said:
she'll U turnTheScreamingEagles said:
Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.Alanbrooke said:
ECHR innit ?TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698
doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?0 -
I's an oddly specific thing to put in a manifesto, but Labour's is full of a lot of very specific details, although the design is not as clear as LDs or Tories, so its a bit wall of texty at times. It doesn't explain why that one is in there, just that Labour remains committed to it. Big Sikh vote winner?TMA1 said:kle4 said:
She might be knifed, but the idea she won't have a mandate for her manifesto is nonsense - if she gets a landslide, which is by no means certain (50-70 still favourite I'd say), it is what it is, and you don't have less of a mandate for things because you don't focus on them a lot, you'd never be able to focus on all you list in manifestos (not that they try).Pong said:
They haven't lost the campaign - they'll likely win - but what for?surbiton said:
120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
May will have a bigger majority, but has lost the one opportunity she had to get a viable personal mandate, a mandate for her manifesto and a mandate for her brexit.
She'll very likely be knifed in the back (and front, and sides) before 2020.
Keep an eye on Dacre.
He's key.
I haven't heard Labour talk about their intent to hold a public inquiry into British involvement in the raid on the Golden Temple in Amritsar, but it's a manifesto commitment, and if they were to win, Corbyn would have a mandate for it.
But I am gobsmacked over this Amritsar thing. Just whats that about? It was in 1984, there was a report by the cabinet secretary and at 'worst', if there was a worst, we just gave early advice. Advice to a fellow democracy - the largest in the world and a fellow commonwealth member. it was otherwise nothing to do with the UK.
Master of disguise too, eh? Dastardly.surbiton said:0 -
Arguments over defence and security benefit the Conservatives in the same way arguments over the NHS benefit Labour. People reckon their hearts are in the right place.0
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Well I guess Jez's friends in Hezbollah are fighting against ISIS - so that's one positive I err errmsurbiton said:
Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.glw said:
I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.
The stench of hypocrisy.0 -
Not me. Brexit will do it because our free trade with the US and NZ and Australia will bankrupt them.Ishmael_Z said:
Like all the Welsh farmers should be bankrupted, for disagreeing with you.surbiton said:
Quite a few posters should be red-carded.TheScreamingEagles said:
He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.0 -
But "40+swing voter women" would only have been teenagers or younger still at the time of "the troubles" and it's doubtful therefore whether it would have the same resonance compared with those 10 years or more older.SeanT said:I reckon this IRA stuff will damage Corbyn with 40+ swing voter women, where he was starting to do well.
It turns him from cuddly old socialist who wants to make university free, into something much nastier and stranger.
It's not the IRA per se, it's his obsession with extreme and violent politics.0 -
Yikes.Pulpstar said:Lib Dems down to Mark Williams (Who is vulnerable to Plaid according to our welsh sources on the ground), Tim Farron (Who isn't entirely safe from a late Tory surge) and Carmichael (Who I damn well hope is safe as I've backed him around 4-9) according to Electoral calculus.
Mulholland and Clegg losing to Labour, paging @thescreamingeagles Two Labour posters up in Totley, and no diamonds on my round yesterday (Tory, and Diamonds a couple of each on the road up)
Still, that leaves them one in each nations they stand in!
It is feeling a lot like 2015 - 'No way they could lose X, go down to Y seats'. But if that's what the numbers keep saying, it could be true.
I'll call it as a decent night for them, standing still from 2015.
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Will be fun when scon mp's cut the WHA to England but not Scotland.kle4 said:
Good point. Would Scottish Tory MPs be expected to liaise regularly with the SCON leader, or is she entirely bypassed? Does she have any particular say over how parliamentary candidates are selected for Westminster as the leader of SCON, so he's her candidate in that sense? It's more just an endorsement than him being a part of her team, should be be elected?alex. said:
It's bad enough SNP MPs being Nicola Sturgeon's candidates, and being whipped on her decisions. But at least it represents reality. What part does Ruth Davidson play at Westminster such that any Conservative MP can be described as "her candidate"?calum said:Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !
https://twitter.com/MilesBriggsMSP/status/868924011727785985
It's not devolved until 2019.0 -
"40+swing voter women" wants to go to bed with Corbyn.peter_from_putney said:
But "40+swing voter women" would only have been teenagers or younger still at the time of "the troubles" and it's doubtful therefore whether it would have the same resonance compared with those 10 years or more older.SeanT said:I reckon this IRA stuff will damage Corbyn with 40+ swing voter women, where he was starting to do well.
It turns him from cuddly old socialist who wants to make university free, into something much nastier and stranger.
It's not the IRA per se, it's his obsession with extreme and violent politics.0 -
There are far more people than alt-right concerned. I know two people who are were members who will not vote labour because of Corbyn. One of them was the first to tell me about Corbyn's past.surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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[citation needed]surbiton said:
Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.glw said:
I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.0 -
That's a lotta wurds.kle4 said:
Did you not see the second part of the sentence? It was about that it isn't an anti-scottish reaction, it is an anti-SNP reaction. If the Scots want to elect 59 SNP MPs knowing that England in particular might react against it that is their business, and indeed they very nearly did so and will once again elect a majority of SNP MPs this time. The question was why would England want to 'keep' Scotland if the SNP cause such a stir, and I was focusing on that it is indeed the SNP causing a stir, and the SNP won't always have 56/59 MPs in Scotland (for one because independence might well occur in the not too distant future), and that if it was SCON, SLAB or SLD being relied on to support English MPs at Westminster no one in England would care (I hope), and so the English would (again I hope) not want to 'lose' Scotland just because, currently, it is mostly represented by SNP MPs, even if it does not want to work with those MPs.Theuniondivvie said:
SNP MPs are Scottish MPs, that Scottish voters have had the temerity to elect.kle4 said:
Many people dislike the idea of the SNP having power in Westminster, not Scottish MPs. Currently the two are mostly aligned, but that won't always be the case (assuming the Union survives).surbiton said:
The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.peter_from_putney said:
The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.nunu said:Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080
If the SNP creates such a stir in England, why do the English want to keep Scotland ?
Strangely I seem to recall quite a stir about Scottish Labour MPs voting through university top-up fees. However I'm sure things are different now, and the wise and generous English voter would fulfill your hopes.0 -
The ECHR is an issue but its been around since the 50's.. Its our own Human Rights Act that facilitates it and allows british judges to make rulings which is the complicating factor.Alanbrooke said:
ECHR innit ?TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698
doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?
We can stay in the ECHR but repeal the HRA. I suspect the govt have many more fish to fry at the moment0 -
Suspect they'll abstain, or the provisions won't be enacted until 2019.OUT said:
Will be fun when scon mp's cut the WHA to England but not Scotland.kle4 said:
Good point. Would Scottish Tory MPs be expected to liaise regularly with the SCON leader, or is she entirely bypassed? Does she have any particular say over how parliamentary candidates are selected for Westminster as the leader of SCON, so he's her candidate in that sense? It's more just an endorsement than him being a part of her team, should be be elected?alex. said:
It's bad enough SNP MPs being Nicola Sturgeon's candidates, and being whipped on her decisions. But at least it represents reality. What part does Ruth Davidson play at Westminster such that any Conservative MP can be described as "her candidate"?calum said:Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !
https://twitter.com/MilesBriggsMSP/status/868924011727785985
It's not devolved until 2019.0 -
It is beginning to hurt , huh ? Otherwise, you would not have mentioned it.RobD said:
If you keep using the phrase alt-right like that, it loses all meaning.surbiton said:
Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.glw said:
I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.
The stench of hypocrisy.
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Fuck off then !Tykejohnno said:-1 -
You think I am alt-right?surbiton said:
It is beginning to hurt , huh ? Otherwise, you would not have mentioned it.RobD said:
If you keep using the phrase alt-right like that, it loses all meaning.surbiton said:
Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.glw said:
I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.
The stench of hypocrisy.0 -
lolsurbiton said:
Fuck off then !Tykejohnno said:0 -
and yet shes less crap than Cameron and Osborne. On the crapometer they are near the top,TheScreamingEagles said:
I like how many PBers now agree with me that Mrs May is crap. #VisionaryAlanbrooke said:
she'll U turnTheScreamingEagles said:
Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.Alanbrooke said:
ECHR innit ?TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698
doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?
Mrs M will come in with a majority larger than Cameron ever got even after a dismal campaign.
This is the type of polling Cameron could have got if he hadnt spent so much time pissing off his own supporters.
If Mrs M delivers say a majority of 80 with a recovery in Scotland and that makes her crap, then Cameron must be porcine diarrhoea0 -
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Love that - thank you!GeoffM said:
This would be one of my Desert Island Discs:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Owen Carron was Bobby Sands' election agent in 1981, and himself won the Fermanagh and South Tyrone seat in the by-election caused by Sands' death. He lost to Ken Maginnis in 1983.kle4 said:
Owen Carron huh?alex. said:Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.
If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.
Would you like to try a cheese burger Bobby Sands?0 -
They let me down a lot, as it happens, but if there is a situation where people are angry about Scottish MPs voting on things swaying matters in Westminster, I would criticise that. It's a United Kingdom, mostly. Scottish MPs are as entitled as any other MPs.Theuniondivvie said:
That's a lotta wurds.kle4 said:
DidTheuniondivvie said:
SNP MPs are Scottish MPs, that Scottish voters have had the temerity to elect.kle4 said:
Many people dislike the idea of the SNP having power in Westminster, not Scottish MPs. Currently the two are mostly aligned, but that won't always be the case (assuming the Union survives).surbiton said:
The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.peter_from_putney said:
The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.nunu said:Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080
If the SNP creates such a stir in England, why do the English want to keep Scotland ?
Strangely I seem to recall quite a stir about Scottish Labour MPs voting through university top-up fees. However I'm sure things are different now, and the wise and generous English voter would fulfill your hopes.
A situation wherein that vote is on something which doesn't affect Scotland because it is a devolved matter, well, that's a little more complex but if the rules say they get a vote they get a vote.0 -
Labour really are the nasty party, aren't they?surbiton said:
Fuck off then !Tykejohnno said:0 -
Shia-Sunni situation, I presume?Pulpstar said:
Hezbollah are fighting against ISISsurbiton said:
Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.glw said:
I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.
The stench of hypocrisy.
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In this case it would be a badge of pridesurbiton said:
Quite a few posters should be red-carded.TheScreamingEagles said:
He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/labour-party-knew-corbyn-made-leader-now-country-knows/
''Telegraph reports that Corbyn’s activism on behalf of a United Ireland extended to sharing a platform with Angelo Fusco, an IRA terrorist on the run from his trial for the murder of an SAS officer. (He was convicted in absentia.) The paper also alleges that he petitioned Margaret Thatcher for better prison conditions for Hugh Doherty, a member of the murderous Balcombe Street gang who was serving 11 life sentences. As well as bombing pubs in Guildford and Woolwich, they assassinated television personality Ross McWhirter ''
''Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell attended a 2003 memorial for Bobby Sands, a republican terrorist who committed suicide by starvation in 1981. McDonnell told the crowd:
‘It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.''
The last sentence is surely the most disgusting ever uttered by a sitting British MP.0 -
i was picking up a curry earlier at an excellent Sikh takeaway (best samosas in town 10 for £3, and more curry and roti than you can eat for about £5 per head. bargain).kle4 said:
I's an oddly specific thing to put in a manifesto, but Labour's is full of a lot of very specific details, although the design is not as clear as LDs or Tories, so its a bit wall of texty at times. It doesn't explain why that one is in there, just that Labour remains committed to it. Big Sikh vote winner?TMA1 said:kle4 said:
She might be knifed, but the idea she won't have a mandate for her manifesto is nonsense - if she gets a landslide, which is by no means certain (50-70 still favourite I'd say), it is what it is, and you don't have less of a mandate for things because you don't focus on them a lot, you'd never be able to focus on all you list in manifestos (not that they try).Pong said:
They haven't lost the campaign - they'll likely win - but what for?surbiton said:
120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
May will have a bigger majority, but has lost the one opportunity she had to get a viable personal mandate, a mandate for her manifesto and a mandate for her brexit.
She'll very likely be knifed in the back (and front, and sides) before 2020.
Keep an eye on Dacre.
He's key.
I haven't heard Labour talk about their intent to hold a public inquiry into British involvement in the raid on the Golden Temple in Amritsar, but it's a manifesto commitment, and if they were to win, Corbyn would have a mandate for it.
But I am gobsmacked over this Amritsar thing.
Master of disguise too, eh? Dastardly.surbiton said:
They always have Sikh TV on, but this time also had Keith Vaz* flyers alongside their immigration lawyer ones. I expect that this is the target demographic.
*though 2 miles outside his constituency!0 -
I have a feeling that Plaid will take Ceredigion - there seems to be far more signs/placards for them than Lib Dems and when i speak to friends about amountof Lib dem stuff we have had through letter box they say it smacks of desperation!Pulpstar said:Lib Dems down to Mark Williams (Who is vulnerable to Plaid according to our welsh sources on the ground), Tim Farron (Who isn't entirely safe from a late Tory surge) and Carmichael (Who I damn well hope is safe as I've backed him around 4-9) according to Electoral calculus.
Mulholland and Clegg losing to Labour, paging @thescreamingeagles Two Labour posters up in Totley, and no diamonds on my round yesterday (Tory, and Diamonds a couple of each on the road up)0 -
Wonder if there's a tape recording of him saying that...TMA1 said:
In this case it would be a badge of pridesurbiton said:
Quite a few posters should be red-carded.TheScreamingEagles said:
He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/labour-party-knew-corbyn-made-leader-now-country-knows/
''Telegraph reports that Corbyn’s activism on behalf of a United Ireland extended to sharing a platform with Angelo Fusco, an IRA terrorist on the run from his trial for the murder of an SAS officer. (He was convicted in absentia.) The paper also alleges that he petitioned Margaret Thatcher for better prison conditions for Hugh Doherty, a member of the murderous Balcombe Street gang who was serving 11 life sentences. As well as bombing pubs in Guildford and Woolwich, they assassinated television personality Ross McWhirter ''
''Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell attended a 2003 memorial for Bobby Sands, a republican terrorist who committed suicide by starvation in 1981. McDonnell told the crowd:
‘It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.''
The last sentence is surely the most disgusting ever uttered by a sitting British MP.
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Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?0
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Yes, people can only respond to things if that thing directly applies to them.surbiton said:
It is beginning to hurt , huh ? Otherwise, you would not have mentioned it.RobD said:
If you keep using the phrase alt-right like that, it loses all meaning.surbiton said:
Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.glw said:
I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.
The stench of hypocrisy.
This is why I got mistaken for a Corbyn fan last week for 'defending' him.0 -
How you doing Mr Yossar,hope things looking up for you.YossariansChild said:
Love that - thank you!GeoffM said:
This would be one of my Desert Island Discs:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Owen Carron was Bobby Sands' election agent in 1981, and himself won the Fermanagh and South Tyrone seat in the by-election caused by Sands' death. He lost to Ken Maginnis in 1983.kle4 said:
Owen Carron huh?alex. said:Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.
If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.
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I don't think so. Survation in the next few days, apparently.Sunil_Prasannan said:Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?
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I bumped into an old friend from Aberystwyth at a meeting the other day. He reckons LD hold. Williams knows his pavement politics.marke09 said:
I have a feeling that Plaid will take Ceredigion - there seems to be far more signs/placards for them than Lib Dems and when i speak to friends about amountof Lib dem stuff we have had through letter box they say it smacks of desperation!Pulpstar said:Lib Dems down to Mark Williams (Who is vulnerable to Plaid according to our welsh sources on the ground), Tim Farron (Who isn't entirely safe from a late Tory surge) and Carmichael (Who I damn well hope is safe as I've backed him around 4-9) according to Electoral calculus.
Mulholland and Clegg losing to Labour, paging @thescreamingeagles Two Labour posters up in Totley, and no diamonds on my round yesterday (Tory, and Diamonds a couple of each on the road up)0 -
@juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting0
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F*ck!Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting
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@juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting
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Well according to the Telegraph he apologised on Newsnight for saying it. So he definitely said it and for me he still believes it.RobD said:
Wonder if there's a tape recording of him saying that...TMA1 said:
In this case it would be a badge of pridesurbiton said:
Quite a few posters should be red-carded.TheScreamingEagles said:
He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/labour-party-knew-corbyn-made-leader-now-country-knows/
''Telegraph reports that Corbyn’s activism on behalf of a United Ireland extended to sharing a platform with Angelo Fusco, an IRA terrorist on the run from his trial for the murder of an SAS officer. (He was convicted in absentia.) The paper also alleges that he petitioned Margaret Thatcher for better prison conditions for Hugh Doherty, a member of the murderous Balcombe Street gang who was serving 11 life sentences. As well as bombing pubs in Guildford and Woolwich, they assassinated television personality Ross McWhirter ''
''Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell attended a 2003 memorial for Bobby Sands, a republican terrorist who committed suicide by starvation in 1981. McDonnell told the crowd:
‘It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.''
The last sentence is surely the most disgusting ever uttered by a sitting British MP.
The Spectator article says ''Jeremy Corbyn has a three-decades-long career of siding with and sucking up to reactionary bigots and violent thugs.''
Well, they may say so, I could not possibly comment.''0 -
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and he's not even the target audience. I hope the Tories are microtargetting the ads properly.SeanT said:
People are seeing the adsSquareRoot said:
How can anyone know if we are not seeing theses ads.RobD said:
I think we did a pretty good job of debunking them.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
I have seen nothing bar the Abbott attack video. She is an utterly loathsome individual anyway, but I am not CCHQ's target audience.
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Hold the front pages.Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting
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Even testing missiles, North Korea could not have intended to hit Japan, surely?!0
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Uh oh.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
So much for any Corbyn stuff leading the news.OUT said:
Hold the front pages.Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting
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Japanese jingoism in action again I see...SeanT said:
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Survation phone poll will be out late Monday night.RobD said:
I don't think so. Survation in the next few days, apparently.Sunil_Prasannan said:Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?
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Fake news?SeanT said:
??!!Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting
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Kim Jong-un doing his best to help Mrs May win this electionSeanT said:
Sounds like a test gone wrong. Not World War 3. Yet.RobD said:https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/868947408671080449
And on the mainland, too.0 -
Considering Julia MacFarlane is a BBC reporter I doubt it.AndyJS said:
Fake news?SeanT said:
??!!Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting
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TBF Japanese foreign policy in Korea over the last century did leave rather a lot to be desired.TMA1 said:
Japanese jingoism in action again I see...SeanT said:
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@SkyNewsBreak: Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan0
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Wildly off topic but hey, no polls today: does anyone have a link to a typical IFRS standard annual company report? I'm doing a 30000-word translation of a German annual report, and I've been asked to use IFRS terminology where possible. Some of what I've found seems non-intuitive to me (e.g. corporate revenue seems to have become "comprehensive income") and I'd like to get it right, but all the links I've found discuss the IFRS rather than simply presenting it.-1
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You'd have thought any missile on course for Japan would get shot down pronto.Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting
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The Corbster must have said something nice about North Korea at some point, right?TheScreamingEagles said:
Kim Jong-un doing his best to help Mrs May win this electionSeanT said:
Sounds like a test gone wrong. Not World War 3. Yet.RobD said:https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/868947408671080449
And on the mainland, too.0 -
OK, that's totally different from landing IN Japan.Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan
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Just surprised that it hasn't appeared on BBC News Channel or Sky News so far.Pulpstar said:
Considering Julia MacFarlane is a BBC reporter I doubt it.AndyJS said:
Fake news?SeanT said:
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Sky News NewsdeskVerified account @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
Replying to @SkyNewsBreak
Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan
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No, he would not do that, I am sure. His campaign chief has though, according to reports.blueblue said:
The Corbster must have said something nice about North Korea at some point, right?TheScreamingEagles said:
Kim Jong-un doing his best to help Mrs May win this electionSeanT said:
Sounds like a test gone wrong. Not World War 3. Yet.RobD said:https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/868947408671080449
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Thanks - for those wot missed it this morning:RobD said:
I don't think so. Survation in the next few days, apparently.Sunil_Prasannan said:Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?
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@juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"0
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I think the exact pledge was 'not whilst involved with Brexit', or similarTheScreamingEagles said:
Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.Alanbrooke said:
ECHR innit ?TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698
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In the sea? Well, that's something at least - even if accidental (which is surely is, as accidental as testing missiles can be), a hit on the land, with far higher chance of hitting something, escalates things significantly.marke09 said:Sky News NewsdeskVerified account @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
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Thank you Tykester - more down today due to Exeter's play-off failure today - something I know that we can share - so alcohol imbibed gives me the confidence to surface. Appreciate your words though - thank you.Tykejohnno said:
How you doing Mr Yossar,hope things looking up for you.YossariansChild said:
Love that - thank you!GeoffM said:
This would be one of my Desert Island Discs:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Owen Carron was Bobby Sands' election agent in 1981, and himself won the Fermanagh and South Tyrone seat in the by-election caused by Sands' death. He lost to Ken Maginnis in 1983.kle4 said:
Owen Carron huh?alex. said:Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.
If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.
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Reuters:
North Korea fired an unidentified projectile on Monday from the region of Wonsan on its east coast in an easterly direction, South Korea's military said.
The launch was immediately reported to President Moon Jae-in, who called a meeting of the National Security Council at 7:30 a.m. (2230 GMT Sunday), the South Korean office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a statement.
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Which is 200 miles. No cause for alarm.Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"
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Narrowing all the time.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Thanks - for those wot missed it this morning:RobD said:
I don't think so. Survation in the next few days, apparently.Sunil_Prasannan said:Were there any polls subsequent to ICM?
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"Landed in Japan" became "Landed in the Sea of Japan" became "Landed in Japan's EEZ"
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Nothing on Reuters' Japan page.0
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Phew! Translation issue perhaps - 'In Japan' for 'In Japan's territory including the sea'?RobD said:
Which is 200 miles. No cause for alarm.Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"
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We will not bring the European Union’s Charter of Fundamental Rights into UK law. WeTMA1 said:
I think the exact pledge was 'not whilst involved with Brexit', or similarTheScreamingEagles said:
Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.Alanbrooke said:
ECHR innit ?TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698
doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?
will not repeal or replace the Human Rights Act while the process of Brexit is underway
but we will consider our human rights legal framework when the process of leaving the
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Landing in the sea of Japan has happened before, and Japan has protested. They have even landed close to Russia. I suppose it depends how close.kle4 said:
In the sea? Well, that's something at least - even if accidental (which is surely is, as accidental as testing missiles can be), a hit on the land, with far higher chance of hitting something, escalates things significantly.marke09 said:Sky News NewsdeskVerified account @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
Replying to @SkyNewsBreak
Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan
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@juliamacfarlane: Japanese govt spokesman says NKorea missile launch poses threat to Japanese ships and planes0
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It might not be - but as you are determined not to give a feck about his friendships lets ask someone with a little less skin in the game.surbiton said:
120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
Sean T for instance.0 -
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Well the missile thing doesnt make BBC News ticker but is on SKY's0
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Orchestral Manoeuvres in Pyongyang.TMA1 said:
Landing in the sea of Japan has happened before, and Japan has protested. They have even landed close to Russia. I suppose it depends how close.kle4 said:
In the sea? Well, that's something at least - even if accidental (which is surely is, as accidental as testing missiles can be), a hit on the land, with far higher chance of hitting something, escalates things significantly.marke09 said:Sky News NewsdeskVerified account @SkyNewsBreak 2m2 minutes ago
Replying to @SkyNewsBreak
Japanese government spokesman says a missile launched by North Korea appears to have landed in the Sea of Japan
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Not sure I would like a missile landing in our 200 mile limit. Suppose we launched a missile and it landed within 200 miles of Cork.RobD said:
Which is 200 miles. No cause for alarm.Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"
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Wow arent I the lucky one - can choose 7 different results night programmes on TV0
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Well, no cause undue alarm of an impending war, it's happened before.TMA1 said:
Not sure I would like a missile landing in our 200 mile limit. Suppose we launched a missile and it landed within 200 miles of Cork.RobD said:
Which is 200 miles. No cause for alarm.Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: @LiberPatriot Correction: Missile reportedly landed in Japan's "exclusive economic zone"
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Are they real on the bottom left.Tykejohnno said:
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Have we ever seen Mrs Corbyn? I wonder if she turns up to The One Show with him on Tuesday0
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Well, now it doesn't look as though war may be imminent, I guess I shall be able to sleep tonight!
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That was my question too. Those heels are bloody enormous.TMA1 said:
Are they real on the bottom left.Tykejohnno said:twitter.com/TheSun/status/868937552656576512
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Labour have had a bad weekend. The IRA stuff has been badly handled, despite the fact they knew it was coming. No change in my forecast: Tory majority of 95.0
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You can read it in the NYT...kle4 said:Well, now it doesn't look as though war may be imminent, I guess I shall be able to sleep tonight!
In case WW3 does start, put it in a thread header, or I won't notice.
@JenniferJJacobs: "The United States government is aware. The president has been briefed," one of Trump's National Security Council a… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/8689529308330967040 -
Yes. If you think ISIS hate us, see what they have to say about the Shi'a...not to mention more minor sects.kle4 said:
Shia-Sunni situation, I presume?Pulpstar said:
Hezbollah are fighting against ISISsurbiton said:
Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.glw said:
I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.
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And to many other places. Japan is a democracy and is our ally now. We all had different hairstyles that far back.foxinsoxuk said:
TBF Japanese foreign policy in Korea over the last century did leave rather a lot to be desired.TMA1 said:
Japanese jingoism in action again I see...SeanT said:
??!!Scott_P said:@juliamacfarlane: #Breaking Japan goverment spokesman says North Korean missile appears to have landed in Japan; SKorea convening emergency cabinet meeting
A serious speculation might be had about what Corbyn's policy might be if either China or N Korea became aggressive towards Japan. My suggestion is that he would demand the withdrawal of 'provocative' US bases and the 7th Fleet.0 -
Memo to Lynton Crosby, stop putting Michael Fallon up as the caring face of the Tory Party, interviewers are having too much fun making him look stupid.0
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Corbyn isn't stupid: he's refused to go into coalition with Nicola Sturgeon despite her offer of a "progresssive alliance".0
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