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There were many republicans who looked like that in the late 70s/early 80s though admittedly a few were in jail at that time. One prominent one of the time, Owen Carron, looked a bit like that though he tended to be better coiffured.0
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Before, started in July 2015RobD said:
No doubt this started the moment Corbyn became leader?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
He should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.0 -
I agree. Unless they held it back in case of an unexpected cock up, ie, social care?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.
Daily Mail and Sun headlines - 'Corbyn was pall bearer at IRA funeral'. Doesn't that have a nice ring about it?0 -
Is there a peak klaxon klaxon?Freggles said:
I think we have reached peak KlaxonJason said:
**Fires up the Pampers klaxon**surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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She might be knifed, but the idea she won't have a mandate for her manifesto is nonsense - if she gets a landslide, which is by no means certain (50-70 still favourite I'd say), it is what it is, and you don't have less of a mandate for things because you don't focus on them a lot, you'd never be able to focus on all you list in manifestos (not that they try).Pong said:
They haven't lost the campaign - they'll likely win - but what for?surbiton said:
120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
May will have a bigger majority, but has lost the one opportunity she had to get a viable personal mandate, a mandate for her manifesto and a mandate for her brexit.
She'll very likely be knifed in the back (and front, and sides) before 2020.
Keep an eye on Dacre.
He's key.
I haven't heard Labour talk about their intent to hold a public inquiry into British involvement in the raid on the Golden Temple in Amritsar, but it's a manifesto commitment, and if they were to win, Corbyn would have a mandate for it.0 -
The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.peter_from_putney said:
The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.nunu said:Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080
If the SNP creates such a stir in England, why do the English want to keep Scotland ?0 -
I doubt he has been to any IRA funerals, but I bet there are pictures out there of some marches, perhaps sympathizing with say a hunger striker out there or some sympathetic to the IRA/anti UK government policy in NI marches that he went to and he would be spotted.
If they can find it the damage would be huge, fatal perhaps. Maybe the press get hold of some friends of his who were tight with him back then but not now and have something.0 -
I was explaining to a 23 yr old over a curry today what the Birmingham pub bombings meant to my generation ( I remember a teacher explaining it to us as kids the day after) and comparing it to the awful Manchester events this week, and why it made the four 50 somethings around the table so incandescent that Abott Corbyn and McDonnell are a week and a half from possible power. She's not voting Jezza anyway but hopefully she'll spread the word amongst her generation.surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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Didn't Clinton's lie hold the support from his side long enough and strong enough to get him through the problem?MarqueeMark said:
That.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn saying he never met the IRA is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky
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Ah the "I didn't meet them. they met me" argument.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn saying he never met the IRA is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky
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Is this why Blair/ Campbell banned beards?RobD said:
Both the images are from the same event though, aren't they?Ishmael_Z said:
Again, that is the Sands funeral.foxinsoxuk said:
It looks like the pall bearer behind Gerry Adams in this pic. By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
https://twitter.com/Bhikkubodhi/status/868890966895284228
Actually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard_Liberation_Front
..Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn, who considered his beard "a form of dissent" against New Labour, defeated Rolf Harris to win 2001's award.
'Rolf Harris'... ha ha ha.0 -
Many people dislike the idea of the SNP having power in Westminster, not Scottish MPs. Currently the two are mostly aligned, but that won't always be the case (assuming the Union survives).surbiton said:
The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.peter_from_putney said:
The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.nunu said:Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080
If the SNP creates such a stir in England, why do the English want to keep Scotland ?
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And then get sued ?Jason said:
I agree. Unless they held it back in case of an unexpected cock up, ie, social care?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.
Daily Mail and Sun headlines - 'Corbyn was pall bearer at IRA funeral'. Doesn't that have a nice ring about it?0 -
Useful idiots?surbiton said:
The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.peter_from_putney said:
The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.nunu said:Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080
If the SNP creates such a stir in England, why do the English want to keep Scotland ?0 -
There must be some photographic evidence of this somewhere -jonny83 said:I doubt he has been to any IRA funerals, but I bet there are pictures out there of some marches, perhaps sympathizing with say a hunger striker out there or some sympathetic to the IRA/anti UK government policy in NI marches that he went to and he would be spotted.
If they can find it the damage would be huge, fatal perhaps. Maybe the press get hold of some friends of his who were tight with him back then but not now and have something.
From the Sunday Express, May 1987:
MP hails IRA dead
A Labour MP stood in silence for a minute yesterday to honour the eight IRA gunmen shot dead in an SAS ambush nine days ago.
Mr Jeremy Corbyn, 38, joined a 200-strong audience at London’s Conway Hall in paying tribute to the terrorists shot as they bombed Loughgall police station in County Armagh, Ulster…
He told a meeting of the Wolf Tone Society: “I’m happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland.”
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If Salman Abedi been called Paddy O'Reilly Corbyn would have supported him.
Its fine when Whites bomb Manchester but when BME bomb Manchester he gets offended. #racist #Islamophobe0 -
Corbyn has been to Republican memorials. These were not memorials for all people in the conflict because Republicans don't organise memorials for all people in the conflict.0
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I always chuckle at public sector workers that pretend they know how markets work. Its very easy, BMWs sell because people want to buy them, likewise KFC and Sean T books. Nobody has ever, ever, bucked the market.
Its why Man Utd charge more than Mansfield. govt doesn't need to interfere.
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Usual misleading rubbish from you.surbiton said:
Why not ? They voted for Brexit.foxinsoxuk said:
Do you think that we should put the Welsh hill farmers out of business by importing cheap NZ lamb?Alanbrooke said:
and 40% isnt and we consume most of it ourselvesfoxinsoxuk said:
We are lamb exporters too. 60% of our lamb is exported to the EU.Alanbrooke said:
thats because of the CAPfoxinsoxuk said:
New Zealand too. Their lamb is Halal and exported to the Middle East, their dairy to China.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
We buy some of their wine, but have little interest in their other exports.
The Welsh hill famers are in Ceredigion, Gwynedd, Meirionnydd & Powys. The first three voted Remain, only Powys voted Leave by a narrow margin.
It was all the Welsh Labour seats that voted Leave. Every single Welsh Labour seat (expect the Cardiff ones) voted to Leave.
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Another low level campaign of Jeremy's which has led to public success later as beards came back into fashion.TMA1 said:
Is this why Blair/ Campbell banned beards?RobD said:
Both the images are from the same event though, aren't they?Ishmael_Z said:
Again, that is the Sands funeral.foxinsoxuk said:
It looks like the pall bearer behind Gerry Adams in this pic. By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
https://twitter.com/Bhikkubodhi/status/868890966895284228
Actually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard_Liberation_Front
..Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn, who considered his beard "a form of dissent" against New Labour, defeated Rolf Harris to win 2001's award.0 -
Photos of Corbyn meeting some Stasi officials during his motorcycle trip round the DDR might not help.jonny83 said:I doubt he has been to any IRA funerals, but I bet there are pictures out there of some marches, perhaps sympathizing with say a hunger striker out there or some sympathetic to the IRA/anti UK government policy in NI marches that he went to and he would be spotted.
If they can find it the damage would be huge, fatal perhaps. Maybe the press get hold of some friends of his who were tight with him back then but not now and have something.0 -
I was referring to the export destinations of the 5 Anglosphere nations, you could just have easily added the EU and Mexico too as non Anglosphrre trade destinationssurbiton said:
I didn't know China and Japan and us shared a language and a legal system. In fcat, I am not sure China has a legal system.HYUFD said:
Canada sends most of its exports to the US, the US to Canada and Mexico, the UK to the US and EU, Australia to China and Japan, New Zealand to Australia and China but they all share a language, culture, legal and political system and with the exception of the US, a monarchrcs1000 said:
Nations don't have friends, they have interests.SeanT said:
Merkel isn't talking about trade, she's talking about security, clearly. And there she's right. It's us and them, and always was. Friendly but not entirely linked.rcs1000 said:
Having spent a lot of time with Australians, I think you'd find them now more likely to join an Asian free trade zone than a US or UK led one. Asian countries account for more than 60% of their exports, and are growing fast. The US expects you to keep your intellectual property law in lock step with it, and gives US based ISDS tribunals the right to overrule local law.SeanT said:
Yep. The western world is realigning. The Anglosphere and the EU. It should always have been thus.AlastairMeeks said:
She's miles ahead in the polls and stratospherically popular. To Germans she's just stating the obvious.foxinsoxuk said:https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/868859435401261058
An interesting bit of politicking from Germany. Their election is shortly due. Sounds more like the Brexit election than our own.
She's right as well, isn't she?
USA, Canada, Oz, UK, NZ - and the EU.
Trade between the free liberal democracies of the West will continue largely as before.
Relatedly, this is a great piece on Brexit by the new Canadian conservative leader, Andrew Scheer. Written four days before the vote.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-scheer-a-strong-britain-is-an-independent-britain
Pretty much inarguable. This is why we Left.
Your mistake is to think that the interests of the Anglosphere are aligned.0 -
glw said:
Ah the "I didn't meet them. they met me" argument.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn saying he never met the IRA is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky
Hmm. I made that comparison 2 threads back. Sniff...Quincel said:
Didn't Clinton's lie hold the support from his side long enough and strong enough to get him through the problem?MarqueeMark said:
That.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn saying he never met the IRA is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky
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I think the Daily Mail is wrong on this one, but it's strange for them to go so strong on it unless they were confident. I guess there are any number of people who know for sure.SeanT said:
Spotted, Sir! Looks like the same man, to be sure, to be sureRobD said:
Could be the pallbearer behind Adams here:SeanT said:
It's a blurry pic, and he has a face a bit like Corbyn's, and a very similar beard, but everyone had a beard like that in those days.Jason said:
Who is it if it's not the venerable Corbyn?SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
To me this character looks too short to be Corbyn and, perhaps more importantly, I don't think even Gelignite "Jez" Corbyn would have gone to an IRA military funeral with the full Armalite salute.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/19/20/046EE0BE0000044D-3087763-Denial_Gerry_Adams_pictured_carrying_the_coffin_of_IRA_hunger_st-a-30_1432064589141.jpg0 -
It doesn't even have to be that. They could run this photo with the headline "WAS CORBYN AT IRA FUNERAL?"Jason said:
I agree. Unless they held it back in case of an unexpected cock up, ie, social care?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.
Daily Mail and Sun headlines - 'Corbyn was pall bearer at IRA funeral'. Doesn't that have a nice ring about it?
(See page 31.)
Page 31 No. But he could have been....0 -
Yes, enough people swallowed Clinton's stuff.Quincel said:
Didn't Clinton's lie hold the support from his side long enough and strong enough to get him through the problem?MarqueeMark said:
That.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn saying he never met the IRA is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky
But it left a bad taste in the mouth for so many.
OMG - I think I could a thread on this.
Corbyn should take this on the chin.0 -
What about gifted children from poor backgrounds who go to bog standard comprehensives?Richard_Nabavi said:
On the contrary, he's a great advert - living proof that, with help from a top school, even the most bone-headed can get on quite well in life.SouthamObserver said:Seamus Milne earns £100,000 a year. He went to Winchester. Not a great advert for our elite public schools, is he?
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I think we can cut CCHQ a bit of slack here, the timing of this looks pretty clever to me. The closer to D Day, the less time for Lab to put together a coherent rebuttal. And the Abbott video consists largely of stuff from this morning's Marr.Jason said:
I agree. Unless they held it back in case of an unexpected cock up, ie, social care?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.
Daily Mail and Sun headlines - 'Corbyn was pall bearer at IRA funeral'. Doesn't that have a nice ring about it?0 -
And just for clarity from someone who knows, Jeremy Corbyn had no significant role whatsoever in the NI peace and subsequent political process and didn't in anyway persuade the Provos to change tack.
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The Daily Mail wasn't making the claim, just a random twitterer.peter_from_putney said:
I think the Daily Mail is wrong on this one, but it's strange for them to go so strong on it unless they were confident. I guess there are any number of people who know for sure.SeanT said:
Spotted, Sir! Looks like the same man, to be sure, to be sureRobD said:
Could be the pallbearer behind Adams here:SeanT said:
It's a blurry pic, and he has a face a bit like Corbyn's, and a very similar beard, but everyone had a beard like that in those days.Jason said:
Who is it if it's not the venerable Corbyn?SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
To me this character looks too short to be Corbyn and, perhaps more importantly, I don't think even Gelignite "Jez" Corbyn would have gone to an IRA military funeral with the full Armalite salute.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/19/20/046EE0BE0000044D-3087763-Denial_Gerry_Adams_pictured_carrying_the_coffin_of_IRA_hunger_st-a-30_1432064589141.jpg0 -
Yeah, if he's going to face slanted headlines, they should at least be based on things he might actually have done (even if people quibble over the interpretation and context).surbiton said:
And then get sued ?Jason said:
I agree. Unless they held it back in case of an unexpected cock up, ie, social care?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.
Daily Mail and Sun headlines - 'Corbyn was pall bearer at IRA funeral'. Doesn't that have a nice ring about it?0 -
Thank you for your welcome. I might add that I was born in Belfast and brought up in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, so I have a particular dislike of sectarian violence of the sort that Corbyn long advocated. It is nonsense for some of his supporters to pretend that he was an early pioneer of the peace process. Just the opposite is true. His support for the IRA and hostility to the British security forces were an obstacle to peace.RobD said:
Is there a peak klaxon klaxon?Freggles said:
I think we have reached peak KlaxonJason said:
**Fires up the Pampers klaxon**surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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I reckon they'd happily be sued if it stopped Corbyn becoming the PM. A price worth paying, as they say.surbiton said:
And then get sued ?Jason said:
I agree. Unless they held it back in case of an unexpected cock up, ie, social care?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.
Daily Mail and Sun headlines - 'Corbyn was pall bearer at IRA funeral'. Doesn't that have a nice ring about it?0 -
There will be a far bigger swing from the SNP to the Tories in Scotland next month than there will be from Labour to the Tories in Englandsurbiton said:
The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.peter_from_putney said:
The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.nunu said:Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080
If the SNP creates such a stir in England, why do the English want to keep Scotland ?0 -
Not a DM story afaik, the DM is simply the source of the pictures.peter_from_putney said:
I think the Daily Mail is wrong on this one, but it's strange for them to go so strong on it unless they were confident. I guess there are any number of people who know for sure.SeanT said:
Spotted, Sir! Looks like the same man, to be sure, to be sureRobD said:
Could be the pallbearer behind Adams here:SeanT said:
It's a blurry pic, and he has a face a bit like Corbyn's, and a very similar beard, but everyone had a beard like that in those days.Jason said:
Who is it if it's not the venerable Corbyn?SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
To me this character looks too short to be Corbyn and, perhaps more importantly, I don't think even Gelignite "Jez" Corbyn would have gone to an IRA military funeral with the full Armalite salute.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/19/20/046EE0BE0000044D-3087763-Denial_Gerry_Adams_pictured_carrying_the_coffin_of_IRA_hunger_st-a-30_1432064589141.jpg0 -
Didn't seem to harm the Donald!dr_spyn said:
Photos of Corbyn meeting some Stasi officials during his motorcycle trip round the DDR might not help.jonny83 said:I doubt he has been to any IRA funerals, but I bet there are pictures out there of some marches, perhaps sympathizing with say a hunger striker out there or some sympathetic to the IRA/anti UK government policy in NI marches that he went to and he would be spotted.
If they can find it the damage would be huge, fatal perhaps. Maybe the press get hold of some friends of his who were tight with him back then but not now and have something.0 -
You save the best till last.Jason said:
I agree. Unless they held it back in case of an unexpected cock up, ie, social care?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.
Daily Mail and Sun headlines - 'Corbyn was pall bearer at IRA funeral'. Doesn't that have a nice ring about it?0 -
That's another thing,foreign policy under corbyn,he wants to cut ties from saudi arabia,what will that mean for our weapons industry and security information betwwen our two countries ?surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
And you could say the same with Americans,a far left terrorist sympathiser and a far right patriot,what will that mean on security information between our countries ?
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a civilian was caught up in the Loughgall shoot out and killed by accident,Jason said:
There must be some photographic evidence of this somewhere -jonny83 said:I doubt he has been to any IRA funerals, but I bet there are pictures out there of some marches, perhaps sympathizing with say a hunger striker out there or some sympathetic to the IRA/anti UK government policy in NI marches that he went to and he would be spotted.
If they can find it the damage would be huge, fatal perhaps. Maybe the press get hold of some friends of his who were tight with him back then but not now and have something.
From the Sunday Express, May 1987:
MP hails IRA dead
A Labour MP stood in silence for a minute yesterday to honour the eight IRA gunmen shot dead in an SAS ambush nine days ago.
Mr Jeremy Corbyn, 38, joined a 200-strong audience at London’s Conway Hall in paying tribute to the terrorists shot as they bombed Loughgall police station in County Armagh, Ulster…
He told a meeting of the Wolf Tone Society: “I’m happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland.”
I wonder if Jezza ran a memorial for him ?0 -
When you hear the sound of the Klaxon Orchestra, head for the deep shelters....RobD said:
Is there a peak klaxon klaxon?Freggles said:
I think we have reached peak KlaxonJason said:
**Fires up the Pampers klaxon**surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.0
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I think we did a pretty good job of debunking them.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
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Corbyn first up with Paxo tomorrow after a coin toss.0
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From Britt to True Brit.ThomasNashe said:
From Maggie May to Theresa May.calum said:0 -
You say that like they are bad things...Tykejohnno said:
That's another thing,foreign policy under corbyn,he wants to cut ties from saudi arabia,what will that mean for our weapons industry and sercurity information betwwen our two countries ?surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
And you could say the same with Americans,a far left terrorist sympathiser and a far right patriot,what will that mean on sercurity information between our countries ?0 -
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He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.0 -
Louder.leomckinstry said:
Thank you for your welcome. I might add that I was born in Belfast and brought up in Northern Ireland during the Troubles, so I have a particular dislike of sectarian violence of the sort that Corbyn long advocated. It is nonsense for some of his supporters to pretend that he was an early pioneer of the peace process. Just the opposite is true. His support for the IRA and hostility to the British security forces were an obstacle to peace.RobD said:
Is there a peak klaxon klaxon?Freggles said:
I think we have reached peak KlaxonJason said:
**Fires up the Pampers klaxon**surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
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Indeed -kle4 said:
Yeah, if he's going to face slanted headlines, they should at least be based on things he might actually have done (even if people quibble over the interpretation and context).surbiton said:
And then get sued ?Jason said:
I agree. Unless they held it back in case of an unexpected cock up, ie, social care?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.
Daily Mail and Sun headlines - 'Corbyn was pall bearer at IRA funeral'. Doesn't that have a nice ring about it?
It doesn't even have to be that. They could run this photo with the headline "WAS CORBYN AT IRA FUNERAL?"0 -
How can anyone know if we are not seeing theses ads.RobD said:
I think we did a pretty good job of debunking them.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
I have seen nothing bar the Abbott attack video. She is an utterly loathsome individual anyway, but I am not CCHQ's target audience.0 -
SNP MPs are Scottish MPs, that Scottish voters have had the temerity to elect.kle4 said:
Many people dislike the idea of the SNP having power in Westminster, not Scottish MPs. Currently the two are mostly aligned, but that won't always be the case (assuming the Union survives).surbiton said:
The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.peter_from_putney said:
The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.nunu said:Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080
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We bomb ISIS. We gives arms to Saudi Arabia who funds ISIS.Tykejohnno said:
That's another thing,foreign policy under corbyn,he wants to cut ties from saudi arabia,what will that mean for our weapons industry and security information betwwen our two countries ?surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
And you could say the same with Americans,a far left terrorist sympathiser and a far right patriot,what will that mean on security information between our countries ?-1 -
It is if the yanks and saudi's have information of a terrorist plot in this country and decide to hold back because of trust or falling out.foxinsoxuk said:
You say that like they are bad things...Tykejohnno said:
That's another thing,foreign policy under corbyn,he wants to cut ties from saudi arabia,what will that mean for our weapons industry and sercurity information betwwen our two countries ?surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
And you could say the same with Americans,a far left terrorist sympathiser and a far right patriot,what will that mean on sercurity information between our countries ?0 -
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I agree about the mandate and the political hit is worth it if it means something thats needed but difficult gets done - assuming a victory.kle4 said:
She might be knifed, but the idea she won't have a mandate for her manifesto is nonsense - if she gets a landslide, which is by no means certain (50-70 still favourite I'd say), it is what it is, and you don't have less of a mandate for things because you don't focus on them a lot, you'd never be able to focus on all you list in manifestos (not that they try).Pong said:
They haven't lost the campaign - they'll likely win - but what for?surbiton said:
120% sure that is not Corbyn. This is desperation stuff. It proves one thing. The Tories have lost the campaign. Why are they not talking about their manifesto ? Maybe they have not got anything to talk about.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
May will have a bigger majority, but has lost the one opportunity she had to get a viable personal mandate, a mandate for her manifesto and a mandate for her brexit.
She'll very likely be knifed in the back (and front, and sides) before 2020.
Keep an eye on Dacre.
He's key.
I haven't heard Labour talk about their intent to hold a public inquiry into British involvement in the raid on the Golden Temple in Amritsar, but it's a manifesto commitment, and if they were to win, Corbyn would have a mandate for it.
But I am gobsmacked over this Amritsar thing. Just whats that about? It was in 1984, there was a report by the cabinet secretary and at 'worst', if there was a worst, we just gave early advice. Advice to a fellow democracy - the largest in the world and a fellow commonwealth member. it was otherwise nothing to do with the UK.
The 'raid' was a terrorist event so I suppose Corbyn was upset when the Indian Government reacted to take the Temple back. Indian Jingoism is a well known trait of that people.
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See the manager to collect your voucher for a year of free admission to pb.com....TMA1 said:glw said:
Ah the "I didn't meet them. they met me" argument.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn saying he never met the IRA is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky
Hmm. I made that comparison 2 threads back. Sniff...Quincel said:
Didn't Clinton's lie hold the support from his side long enough and strong enough to get him through the problem?MarqueeMark said:
That.TheScreamingEagles said:Jeremy Corbyn saying he never met the IRA is a bit like Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky
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And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:Tykejohnno said:
It is if the yanks and saudi's have information of a terrorist plot in this country and decide to hold back because of trust or falling out.foxinsoxuk said:
You say that like they are bad things...Tykejohnno said:
That's another thing,foreign policy under corbyn,he wants to cut ties from saudi arabia,what will that mean for our weapons industry and sercurity information betwwen our two countries ?surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
And you could say the same with Americans,a far left terrorist sympathiser and a far right patriot,what will that mean on sercurity information between our countries ?
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You mean the Yanks won't leak it ? As far as the Saudis , did their intelligence stop 9/11 ? Most probably they funded it.Tykejohnno said:
It is if the yanks and saudi's have information of a terrorist plot in this country and decide to hold back because of trust or falling out.foxinsoxuk said:
You say that like they are bad things...Tykejohnno said:
That's another thing,foreign policy under corbyn,he wants to cut ties from saudi arabia,what will that mean for our weapons industry and sercurity information betwwen our two countries ?surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
And you could say the same with Americans,a far left terrorist sympathiser and a far right patriot,what will that mean on sercurity information between our countries ?0 -
That is devastating. Not only Jeremy Corbyn carrying the coffin, but a young Tim Farron just behind him, and - unless I'm very much mistaken - Nicola Sturgeon is the third masked figure on the left.foxinsoxuk said:
It looks like the pall bearer behind Gerry Adams in this pic. By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
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And the Tories that Scottish voters have the temerity to elect to replace them will also be Scottish MPs, despite the protestations of the ZoomersTheuniondivvie said:SNP MPs are Scottish MPs, that Scottish voters have had the temerity to elect.
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Nah. Just hunched up, trying to hide from Special Branch cameras....surbiton said:0 -
We "give" arms to Saudi Arabia do we? We don't sell them to them?surbiton said:
We bomb ISIS. We gives arms to Saudi Arabia who funds ISIS.Tykejohnno said:
That's another thing,foreign policy under corbyn,he wants to cut ties from saudi arabia,what will that mean for our weapons industry and security information betwwen our two countries ?surbiton said:
I don't think so. No one gives a shit outside the Alt-Right. In the meantime, Theresa May shakes hand with the Saudi ruling family, the financier of Islamist terrorism and provides arms to them.leomckinstry said:
Well, I know Corbyn pretty well. I was in his Islington North Labour Party for 10 years -and his support for violent Republicanism sickened me even then. But I never thought for a moment he would advance from the wilderness of the extreme left to the Labour leadership. Now his past his returning to haunt him, justifiably.surbiton said:
Do you know anyone who votes Labour ?leomckinstry said:Just looking at twitter feeds and other commentaries on the web, it really seems that the IRA stuff is gaining traction with the electorate. Is this a turning point after the weeks of a Labour surge? The polls began to change in 1992 just 10 days out from the election. Was Diane Abbot's appearance on the Andrew Marr show the 2017 Sheffield moment?
And you could say the same with Americans,a far left terrorist sympathiser and a far right patriot,what will that mean on security information between our countries ?
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Is that why Diane dumped himsurbiton said:
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Fair comment.SeanT said:
No, it doesn't help Corbyn at all. No one sees politics in that sophisticated way.TheScreamingEagles said:
He does, repeated posters of fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
All they will hear is the leader of the Labour party having to deny he was at a military, gun-toting funeral for IRA terrorists, during their campaign to bomb Britain into submission. And why is he having to deny this? - because there is a genuine question mark over his loyalty to this country, and his apparent support for IRA killers.
It's like the "do you fuck goats" thing. If you're explaining, you're losing.0 -
Michael Foot is the third guy.Chris said:
That is devastating. Not only Jeremy Corbyn carrying the coffin, but a young Tim Farron just behind him, and - unless I'm very much mistaken - Nicola Sturgeon is the third masked figure on the left.foxinsoxuk said:
It looks like the pall bearer behind Gerry Adams in this pic. By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
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Lol, "Hell yes" just replayed on Sky News.0
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Owen Carron was Bobby Sands' election agent in 1981, and himself won the Fermanagh and South Tyrone seat in the by-election caused by Sands' death. He lost to Ken Maginnis in 1983.kle4 said:
Owen Carron huh?alex. said:Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.
If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.0 -
"Was Corbyn at IRA funeral"SeanT said:
No, it doesn't help Corbyn at all. No one sees politics in that sophisticated way.TheScreamingEagles said:
He does, repeated posters of fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
All they will hear is the leader of the Labour party having to deny he was at a military, gun-toting funeral for IRA terrorists, during their campaign to bomb Britain into submission. And why is he having to deny this? - because there is a genuine question mark over his loyalty to this country, and his apparent support for IRA killers.
It's like the "do you fuck goats" thing. If you're explaining, you're losing.
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He was there via video linkJason said:
Indeed -kle4 said:
Yeah, if he's going to face slanted headlines, they should at least be based on things he might actually have done (even if people quibble over the interpretation and context).surbiton said:
And then get sued ?Jason said:
I agree. Unless they held it back in case of an unexpected cock up, ie, social care?TheScreamingEagles said:
Then Mrs May really is crap.Jason said:CCHQ are as we speak probably trawling through every photographic souce they can get their hands on to see if they can pin Corbyn to an IRA funeral or commemoration. God help Labour if they are successful.
She should have this stuff already sourced before she called the election.
Daily Mail and Sun headlines - 'Corbyn was pall bearer at IRA funeral'. Doesn't that have a nice ring about it?
It doesn't even have to be that. They could run this photo with the headline "WAS CORBYN AT IRA FUNERAL?"0 -
See this might damage Mrs May and the government
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And Leanne Wood sang at the chapel. Lovely voice an all that.Chris said:
That is devastating. Not only Jeremy Corbyn carrying the coffin, but a young Tim Farron just behind him, and - unless I'm very much mistaken - Nicola Sturgeon is the third masked figure on the left.foxinsoxuk said:
It looks like the pall bearer behind Gerry Adams in this pic. By the clothes I would guess a hunger striker funeral circa 1980-1.SeanT said:
I'm 99.9% sure that's not Jezza. If it is, he's finished. But it isn't.Tykejohnno said:https://twitter.com/ViveCharlieMag/status/868864634756907008
I Really wanted to vote labour but I can't vote for those3 at top of the party.
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Quite a few posters should be red-carded.TheScreamingEagles said:
He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.-1 -
It's bad enough SNP MPs being Nicola Sturgeon's candidates, and being whipped on her decisions. But at least it represents reality. What part does Ruth Davidson play at Westminster such that any Conservative MP can be described as "her candidate"?calum said:Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !
https://twitter.com/MilesBriggsMSP/status/868924011727785985
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Did you not see the second part of the sentence? It was about that it isn't an anti-scottish reaction, it is an anti-SNP reaction. If the Scots want to elect 59 SNP MPs knowing that England in particular might react against it that is their business, and indeed they very nearly did so and will once again elect a majority of SNP MPs this time. The question was why would England want to 'keep' Scotland if the SNP cause such a stir, and I was focusing on that it is indeed the SNP causing a stir, and the SNP won't always have 56/59 MPs in Scotland (for one because independence might well occur in the not too distant future), and that if it was SCON, SLAB or SLD being relied on to support English MPs at Westminster no one in England would care (I hope), and so the English would (again I hope) not want to 'lose' Scotland just because, currently, it is mostly represented by SNP MPs, even if it does not want to work with those MPs.Theuniondivvie said:
SNP MPs are Scottish MPs, that Scottish voters have had the temerity to elect.kle4 said:
Many people dislike the idea of the SNP having power in Westminster, not Scottish MPs. Currently the two are mostly aligned, but that won't always be the case (assuming the Union survives).surbiton said:
The SNP wants the Tories to win in Westminster. They deliberately said this in 2015 knowing what the reaction would be in England.peter_from_putney said:
The corresponding cartoon certainly did wonders in helping the Tories to win in 2015.nunu said:Could CCHQ's day get any better? Should help Tories in Scotland sew up the Unionist vote aswell.
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/868926098377134080
If the SNP creates such a stir in England, why do the English want to keep Scotland ?
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Had Corbyn had his way, there'd be no such powers.TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/8689399899288616980 -
Tea in parliament if Jez gets in.TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
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This would be one of my Desert Island Discs:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Owen Carron was Bobby Sands' election agent in 1981, and himself won the Fermanagh and South Tyrone seat in the by-election caused by Sands' death. He lost to Ken Maginnis in 1983.kle4 said:
Owen Carron huh?alex. said:Photo looks like a man called Owen Carron, btw.
If you move the letters around, add some other ones and remove others, and what does it spell? Jeremy Corbyn. His aliases don't fool me.
Would you like to try a cheese burger Bobby Sands?
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ECHR innit ?TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698
doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?0 -
Like all the Welsh farmers should be bankrupted, for disagreeing with you.surbiton said:
Quite a few posters should be red-carded.TheScreamingEagles said:
He does, posters who repeatedly post fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.0 -
Spot on. The mere fact we're discussing the possibility of Corbyn attending an IRA funeral is a somewhat damning indictment.SeanT said:
No, it doesn't help Corbyn at all. No one sees politics in that sophisticated way.TheScreamingEagles said:
He does, repeated posters of fake news get smote.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
Take the Corbyn at the funeral pic, I think that helps Corbyn.
Most PBers thought it wasn't Corbyn, and looked for evidence one way or the other, and the consensus it isn't Corbyn.
All they will hear is the leader of the Labour party having to deny he was at a military, gun-toting funeral for IRA terrorists, during their campaign to bomb Britain into submission. And why is he having to deny this? - because there is a genuine question mark over his loyalty to this country, and his apparent support for IRA killers.
It's like the "do you fuck goats" thing. If you're explaining, you're losing.
It's obviously not Corbyn, but Surbiton was sufficiently worried to even compare relative heights of the two men.
What a predicament to be in 10 days before a general election. Tragic.
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Good point. Would Scottish Tory MPs be expected to liaise regularly with the SCON leader, or is she entirely bypassed? Does she have any particular say over how parliamentary candidates are selected for Westminster as the leader of SCON, so he's her candidate in that sense? It's more just an endorsement than him being a part of her team, should be be elected?alex. said:
It's bad enough SNP MPs being Nicola Sturgeon's candidates, and being whipped on her decisions. But at least it represents reality. What part does Ruth Davidson play at Westminster such that any Conservative MP can be described as "her candidate"?calum said:Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !
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Personality cult taking over the Tories.alex. said:
It's bad enough SNP MPs being Nicola Sturgeon's candidates, and being whipped on her decisions. But at least it represents reality. What part does Ruth Davidson play at Westminster such that any Conservative MP can be described as "her candidate"?calum said:Miles about to be squashed by his Barchart !
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I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
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Oh.. I am sure they are but I haven't seen one bar the Dianne Abbot one posted on here. So its difficult to judge their effect. There was a post about significant up tic in Conservative support in the marginal too(this morning), but difficult to asses this on the ground as I am not canvassing any more.SeanT said:
People are seeing the adsSquareRoot said:
How can anyone know if we are not seeing theses ads.RobD said:
I think we did a pretty good job of debunking them.alex. said:The Facebook Ads are effective because they skewer the Labour leadership with their own words, and largely words that appear to be pretty much taken "in context". The sort of nonsense with the photographs is basically fake news and should not be peddled. In fact I think Mike should clamp down.
I have seen nothing bar the Abbott attack video. She is an utterly loathsome individual anyway, but I am not CCHQ's target audience.
https://twitter.com/PaulCharisse/status/8689387485867540500 -
Apparently ... allegedly .... oh what the hell? Just state it as fact, who cares?Scott_P said:0 -
I don't think it is him, at least not at the same funeral. The pall bearer in my picture has light coloured trousers, and a more heart shaped jaw.alex. said:0 -
Never mind that he went out of his way to Africa to lay a wreath at the grave of anti Semitic terrorist ...Scott_P said:
No its the news that he now says he... 'met with “former prisoners who have told me they were not in the IRA”.'
'...they told me...' Ha ha ha, Mandy Rice Davis where are you now!0 -
Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.Alanbrooke said:
ECHR innit ?TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698
doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?0 -
Lib Dems down to Mark Williams (Who is vulnerable to Plaid according to our welsh sources on the ground), Tim Farron (Who isn't entirely safe from a late Tory surge) and Carmichael (Who I damn well hope is safe as I've backed him around 4-9) according to Electoral calculus.
Mulholland and Clegg losing to Labour, paging @thescreamingeagles Two Labour posters up in Totley, and no diamonds on my round yesterday (Tory, and Diamonds a couple of each on the road up)0 -
Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.glw said:
I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.
The stench of hypocrisy.
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she'll U turnTheScreamingEagles said:
Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.Alanbrooke said:
ECHR innit ?TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698
doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?0 -
A few up in Dore.Pulpstar said:Lib Dems down to Mark Williams (Who is vulnerable to Plaid according to our welsh sources on the ground), Tim Farron (Who isn't entirely safe from a late Tory surge) and Carmichael (Who I damn well hope is safe as I've backed him around 4-9) according to Electoral calculus.
Mulholland and Clegg losing to Labour, paging @thescreamingeagles Two Labour posters up in Totley, and no diamonds on my round yesterday.0 -
If you keep using the phrase alt-right like that, it loses all meaning.surbiton said:
Exactly. They sleep with their enemy.glw said:
I was just about to post about that myself. Even the Israeli's work with the Saudi's on intelligence and security matters.RobD said:And has been instrumental in stopping at least one attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Alt-Right PBers denounce Islamist ISIS violence. They keep quite when Saudis behead people in public squares.
The stench of hypocrisy.0 -
Doesn't matter if we don't get out straight away. We will escape that later.TheScreamingEagles said:
Thank goodness Mrs May has said we're saying in the ECHR.Alanbrooke said:
ECHR innit ?TheScreamingEagles said:See this might damage Mrs May and the government
https://twitter.com/DJack_Journo/status/868939989928861698
doesnt matter if it is or isnt who can prove it in 8 days ?
We've already tunneled under the wire and past the guards.
Leaving the EHCR and a few other things are the final bit of escaping through Vichy France.0
