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Several people have been asking if Friday’s PB gathering is still going to take place. The answer is yes. It will start at the Lord Raglan pub, 61 St Martins le Grand, St Pauls EC1A 4ER from 6.30pm. An area downstairs called the Fireplace has been booked.
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First! It doesn`t often happen.....0
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Hope everyone has a great time!0
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Have fun.0
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Yes, nothing is strictly speaking unaffordable - but listen to people bleat about paying for anything, but also anything getting taken away if they aren't willing to pay for it. If it was politically so appealing to have it be free and cut other stuff, we'd never have gone down this route in the first place as no one likes the fees, so it must be more complicated and, in general, people must have accepted the principle of some fees.Alanbrooke said:
it's not unaffordable.kle4 said:
Probably are, but is the anger so bad they would, on that issue, vote for it even though it is (at least to my mind) unaffordable and unrealistic?Alanbrooke said:
and what about their parents ?Jason said:
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.kle4 said:
One of the more blatant electioneering stunt announcements- while I would be very happy if more young people voted for once, I would hope that unbelievable promise doesn't sway things too much.FrancisUrquhart said:No idea how significant in the context of normal GE numbers and given this don't auto register..
A record-breaking 250,000 young people signed up to vote yesterday after Labour promised an expensive election giveaway to students.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534290/Record-250-000-young-people-register-vote-24-hours.html
Big believer one significant driver of recent labour poll numbers is students / free uni policy.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
you dont think they are monstrously pissed off seeing their children drowning in a sea of debt before their lives have even started.
and all served up by a bunch of privileged Oxbridge brats for whom fees are loose change
we could slash the DFID budget and have free education.
it's a matter of choice.
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Why did they name a pub after Lord Raglan, I mean he should be pelted with rotten fruit for the charge of the light brigade.0
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Jason said:
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One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
They don't want to give an obvious bribe the oxygen of publicity... instead concentrate on the overall sums not adding up. Don't want to increase awareness among benefiting students, do we?0 -
Why would it not be going ahead?
(Not that I can make it, sadly.)0 -
Better than yet another Red Lion, The Bell or Rose and Crown.TheScreamingEagles said:Why did they name a pub after Lord Raglan, I mean he should be pelted with rotten fruit for the charge of the light brigade.
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In Upton Bishop in Herefordshire there is a pub that used to be called the Bishop's Arms. Then the owner had a major falling out with his wife and it was mysteriously renamed the Moody Cow.TheScreamingEagles said:Why did they name a pub after Lord Raglan, I mean he should be pelted with rotten fruit for the charge of the light brigade.
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Did they actually not turnoput. I seem to recall reading that the figures showe dreasonab;e levels.Baskerville said:FPT
Jason said:
» show previous quotes
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
They don't want to give an obvious bribe the oxygen of publicity... instead concentrate on the overall sums not adding up. Don't want to increase awareness among benefiting students, do we?
Not as high as my age group, admittedly.0 -
When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!0
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Probably from his Napoleonic war service - "At Waterloo he was wounded and his right arm had to be amputated. At the end of the surgery he told orderly not to take away his arm until he had removed a ring that his wife had given him."TheScreamingEagles said:Why did they name a pub after Lord Raglan, I mean he should be pelted with rotten fruit for the charge of the light brigade.
The basic problem was that he was far, far too old by the time of the Crimean war.0 -
Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?0 -
No it isntkle4 said:
Yes, nothing is strictly speaking unaffordable - but listen to people bleat about paying for anything, but also anything getting taken away if they aren't willing to pay for it. If it was politically so appealing to have it be free and cut other stuff, we'd never have gone down this route in the first place as no one likes the fees, so it must be more complicated and, in general, people must have accepted the principle of some fees.Alanbrooke said:
it's not unaffordable.kle4 said:
Probably are, but is the anger so bad they would, on that issue, vote for it even though it is (at least to my mind) unaffordable and unrealistic?Alanbrooke said:
and what about their parents ?Jason said:
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.kle4 said:
One of the more blatant electioneering stunt announcements- while I would be very happy if more young people voted for once, I would hope that unbelievable promise doesn't sway things too much.FrancisUrquhart said:No idea how significant in the context of normal GE numbers and given this don't auto register..
A record-breaking 250,000 young people signed up to vote yesterday after Labour promised an expensive election giveaway to students.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534290/Record-250-000-young-people-register-vote-24-hours.html
Big believer one significant driver of recent labour poll numbers is students / free uni policy.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
you dont think they are monstrously pissed off seeing their children drowning in a sea of debt before their lives have even started.
and all served up by a bunch of privileged Oxbridge brats for whom fees are loose change
we could slash the DFID budget and have free education.
it's a matter of choice.
its fairly straight forward we piss money up the wall so Cameron could play noblesse oblige with other peoples money.
we dont invest in our childrens future.0 -
It’s the sleeves.TheScreamingEagles said:Why did they name a pub after Lord Raglan, I mean he should be pelted with rotten fruit for the charge of the light brigade.
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https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2015OldKingCole said:
Did they actually not turnoput. I seem to recall reading that the figures showe dreasonab;e levels.Baskerville said:FPT
Jason said:
» show previous quotes
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
They don't want to give an obvious bribe the oxygen of publicity... instead concentrate on the overall sums not adding up. Don't want to increase awareness among benefiting students, do we?
Not as high as my age group, admittedly.
There appears to be no significant increase in turnout among young people, with 18-24s almost half as likely to vote as those aged 65+ (43% vs 78%; in 2010 estimated turnout for 18-24s was 44%).0 -
Woe betide any Islamic terrorists who comes between a PBer and his pint. - Have fun folks0
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A death ride has always had a strange appeal.TheScreamingEagles said:Why did they name a pub after Lord Raglan, I mean he should be pelted with rotten fruit for the charge of the light brigade.
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They might as well as named the pub after Arthur Percival0
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And yet people didn't throw him to the wolves for maintaining the 0.7% and university fees, so in general people cannot be that unhappy about that principle. It is demonstrably so. And May is expected to win while promising basically the same, and could win even bigger, a lot bigger, so once again people might not be that angry about it. Will sufficient numbers be angry to make a difference is a different question.Alanbrooke said:
No it isntkle4 said:
Yes,Alanbrooke said:
it's not unaffordable.kle4 said:
Probably are, but is the anger so bad they would, on that issue, vote for it even though it is (at least to my mind) unaffordable and unrealistic?Alanbrooke said:
and what about their parents ?Jason said:
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.kle4 said:
One of the more blatant electioneering stunt announcements- while I would be very happy if more young people voted for once, I would hope that unbelievable promise doesn't sway things too much.FrancisUrquhart said:No idea how significant in the context of normal GE numbers and given this don't auto register..
A record-breaking 250,000 young people signed up to vote yesterday after Labour promised an expensive election giveaway to students.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534290/Record-250-000-young-people-register-vote-24-hours.html
Big believer one significant driver of recent labour poll numbers is students / free uni policy.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
you dont think they are monstrously pissed off seeing their children drowning in a sea of debt before their lives have even started.
and all served up by a bunch of privileged Oxbridge brats for whom fees are loose change
we could slash the DFID budget and have free education.
it's a matter of choice.
its fairly straight forward we piss money up the wall so Cameron could play noblesse oblige with other peoples money.
we dont invest in our childrens future.0 -
Which half of that age group do you think is voting?RobD said:
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2015OldKingCole said:
Did they actually not turnoput. I seem to recall reading that the figures showe dreasonab;e levels.Baskerville said:FPT
Jason said:
» show previous quotes
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
They don't want to give an obvious bribe the oxygen of publicity... instead concentrate on the overall sums not adding up. Don't want to increase awareness among benefiting students, do we?
Not as high as my age group, admittedly.
There appears to be no significant increase in turnout among young people, with 18-24s almost half as likely to vote as those aged 65+ (43% vs 78%; in 2010 estimated turnout for 18-24s was 44%).
The half who made it to university or the half that did not?
I've never understood the meme that students do not vote. In 2001 I was living in a Halls of Residence as an 18 year old student and virtually everyone I spoke to that day voted. While young people as a whole do not turnout I imagine most who dropped out of education before uni are those not voting.0 -
A first? There have been quite a few "good" examples today....SandyRentool said:There is a comment down thread that caused me to swear out loud, with my venom directed towards the poster. This is a first.
I'm not going to say who it was.0 -
What are you on about?Jason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?0 -
With all due respect , you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutJason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?
Servers for any large City organisation are typical hosted AWAY from the centre of London in at least 2 buildings a minimum of 30 miles apart. Data is replicated between both locations so the company can continue with limited impact should a site go down.0 -
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
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Some PBers were keen on this Kent pub .... OGH wasn't enthusiastic :ydoethur said:
In Upton Bishop in Herefordshire there is a pub that used to be called the Bishop's Arms. Then the owner had a major falling out with his wife and it was mysteriously renamed the Moody Cow.TheScreamingEagles said:Why did they name a pub after Lord Raglan, I mean he should be pelted with rotten fruit for the charge of the light brigade.
http://www.barbersarms.co.uk/0 -
Would be interested to see some actual numbers on that, but I fear no analysis has been done.Philip_Thompson said:
Which half of that age group do you think is voting?RobD said:
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2015OldKingCole said:
Did they actually not turnoput. I seem to recall reading that the figures showe dreasonab;e levels.Baskerville said:FPT
Jason said:
» show previous quotes
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
They don't want to give an obvious bribe the oxygen of publicity... instead concentrate on the overall sums not adding up. Don't want to increase awareness among benefiting students, do we?
Not as high as my age group, admittedly.
There appears to be no significant increase in turnout among young people, with 18-24s almost half as likely to vote as those aged 65+ (43% vs 78%; in 2010 estimated turnout for 18-24s was 44%).
The half who made it to university or the half that did not?
I've never understood the meme that students do not vote. In 2001 I was living in a Halls of Residence as an 18 year old student and virtually everyone I spoke to that day voted. While young people as a whole do not turnout I imagine most who dropped out of education before uni are those not voting.0 -
The declaration of the end of the UK and the introduction of the Mayist Empire, surely?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
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But enough about the party manifestos.RobD said:
Would be interested to see some actual numbers on that, but I fear no analysis has been done.Philip_Thompson said:
Which half of that age group do you think is voting?RobD said:
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2015OldKingCole said:
Did they actually not turnoput. I seem to recall reading that the figures showe dreasonab;e levels.Baskerville said:FPT
Jason said:
» show previous quotes
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
They don't want to give an obvious bribe the oxygen of publicity... instead concentrate on the overall sums not adding up. Don't want to increase awareness among benefiting students, do we?
Not as high as my age group, admittedly.
There appears to be no significant increase in turnout among young people, with 18-24s almost half as likely to vote as those aged 65+ (43% vs 78%; in 2010 estimated turnout for 18-24s was 44%).
The half who made it to university or the half that did not?
I've never understood the meme that students do not vote. In 2001 I was living in a Halls of Residence as an 18 year old student and virtually everyone I spoke to that day voted. While young people as a whole do not turnout I imagine most who dropped out of education before uni are those not voting.0 -
kle4 said:
But enough about the party manifestos.RobD said:
Would be interested to see some actual numbers on that, but I fear no analysis has been done.Philip_Thompson said:
Which half of that age group do you think is voting?RobD said:
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2015OldKingCole said:
Did they actually not turnoput. I seem to recall reading that the figures showe dreasonab;e levels.Baskerville said:FPT
Jason said:
» show previous quotes
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
They don't want to give an obvious bribe the oxygen of publicity... instead concentrate on the overall sums not adding up. Don't want to increase awareness among benefiting students, do we?
Not as high as my age group, admittedly.
There appears to be no significant increase in turnout among young people, with 18-24s almost half as likely to vote as those aged 65+ (43% vs 78%; in 2010 estimated turnout for 18-24s was 44%).
The half who made it to university or the half that did not?
I've never understood the meme that students do not vote. In 2001 I was living in a Halls of Residence as an 18 year old student and virtually everyone I spoke to that day voted. While young people as a whole do not turnout I imagine most who dropped out of education before uni are those not voting.
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I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.-1
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Shame, I understand the beer's an absolute snip there.JackW said:
Some PBers were keen on this Kent pub .... OGH wasn't enthusiastic :ydoethur said:
In Upton Bishop in Herefordshire there is a pub that used to be called the Bishop's Arms. Then the owner had a major falling out with his wife and it was mysteriously renamed the Moody Cow.TheScreamingEagles said:Why did they name a pub after Lord Raglan, I mean he should be pelted with rotten fruit for the charge of the light brigade.
http://www.barbersarms.co.uk/
That is my one and only awful pun this evening.0 -
We have to be in the EU to get sympathy?Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
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Hopefully I'll be able to make it.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
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Nah, the walk of atonement for Nick Timothy.kle4 said:
The declaration of the end of the UK and the introduction of the Mayist Empire, surely?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
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Solidarity at tragic events will always be with us, political organisations or no.Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
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Yeah I was only sad after the Bataclan attacks because France is in the EURobD said:
We have to be in the EU to get sympathy?Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
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It is a pity they demolished Tommy Ducks - you lot would have loved it, especially the "collection" nailed to the ceilingTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
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I'm not sure its terribly wise to discuss what may or may not happen when our country is attacked in various ways.Beverley_C said:
What are you on about?Jason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?0 -
Idiot in Stroud suspended.
https://order-order.com/2017/05/23/stroud-labour-manchester-attack-wonderful-timing-for-may/0 -
I was thinking of holding it at Poptastic in The VillageBeverley_C said:
It is a pity they demolished Tommy Ducks - you lot would have loved it, especially the "collection" nailed to the ceilingTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
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Why would they not show solidarity? Even Putin's doing that!Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
Just because we are leaving the EU does not mean they will stop behaving like rational and decent human beings at events like this, as we will not if (when, sadly) the boot is on the other foot.0 -
Roger, with all due respect and the greatest will in the world: don't be a tit.Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
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Just spotted this in the Tory manifesto
We will prohibit councils from creating any new places in schools that have been rated either ‘inadequate’ or ‘requires improvement’ by Ofsted
That seems fraught with unintended difficulties, at first glance.0 -
No, you misunderstand the point I'm trying to make. In the event of such a disastrous occurrence, stock markets the world over would crash, wiping trillions off stocks and commodities. I'm not necessarily talking about the physical damage, which would be immense anyway, but the massive psychological damage and commercial/business sentiment.Tony said:
With all due respect , you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutJason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?
Servers for any large City organisation are typical hosted AWAY from the centre of London in at least 2 buildings a minimum of 30 miles apart. Data is replicated between both locations so the company can continue with limited impact should a site go down.
I'm really struggling to make it any simpler to understand than that.
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If anyone arrives in the area early with some time to kill, I recommend looking round the park opposite, the Postman's Park. It has a remarkable monument to heroic deaths in the late 19th century. It's both moving and in places unintentionally amusing.0
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Less so than you might imagine because most schools especially in the former category are undersubscribed anyway. The problem is usually paying for staff redundancies not creating more places.kle4 said:Just spotted this in the Tory manifesto
We will prohibit councils from creating any new places in schools that have been rated either ‘inadequate’ or ‘requires improvement’ by Ofsted
That seems fraught with unintended difficulties, at first glance.0 -
It's because you're not aware of the controls in place to stop something like that happening.Jason said:
No, you misunderstand the point I'm trying to make. In the event of such a disastrous occurrence, stock markets the world over would crash, wiping trillions off stocks and commodities. I'm not necessarily talking about the physical damage, which would be immense anyway, but the massive psychological damage and commercial/business sentiment.Tony said:
With all due respect , you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutJason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?
Servers for any large City organisation are typical hosted AWAY from the centre of London in at least 2 buildings a minimum of 30 miles apart. Data is replicated between both locations so the company can continue with limited impact should a site go down.
I'm really struggling to make it any simpler to understand than that.
They've already wargamed this into the system.0 -
Unfortunately, sympathy is not always shown where it should be.ydoethur said:
Why would they not show solidarity? Even Putin's doing that!Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
Just because we are leaving the EU does not mean they will stop behaving like rational and decent human beings at events like this, as we will not if (when, sadly) the boot is on the other foot.
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What's your general take on the 'education' offer, if I might ask?ydoethur said:
Less so than you might imagine because most schools especially in the former category are undersubscribed anyway. The problem is usually paying for staff redundancies not creating more places.kle4 said:Just spotted this in the Tory manifesto
We will prohibit councils from creating any new places in schools that have been rated either ‘inadequate’ or ‘requires improvement’ by Ofsted
That seems fraught with unintended difficulties, at first glance.0 -
Probably more to do with most voters (and MPs) having benefited from a fees-free University education, so not caring about making those who came after from payingkle4 said:
Yes, nothing is strictly speaking unaffordable - but listen to people bleat about paying for anything, but also anything getting taken away if they aren't willing to pay for it. If it was politically so appealing to have it be free and cut other stuff, we'd never have gone down this route in the first place as no one likes the fees, so it must be more complicated and, in general, people must have accepted the principle of some fees.Alanbrooke said:
it's not unaffordable.kle4 said:
Probably are, but is the anger so bad they would, on that issue, vote for it even though it is (at least to my mind) unaffordable and unrealistic?Alanbrooke said:
and what about their parents ?Jason said:
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.kle4 said:
One of the more blatant electioneering stunt announcements- while I would be very happy if more young people voted for once, I would hope that unbelievable promise doesn't sway things too much.FrancisUrquhart said:No idea how significant in the context of normal GE numbers and given this don't auto register..
A record-breaking 250,000 young people signed up to vote yesterday after Labour promised an expensive election giveaway to students.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534290/Record-250-000-young-people-register-vote-24-hours.html
Big believer one significant driver of recent labour poll numbers is students / free uni policy.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
you dont think they are monstrously pissed off seeing their children drowning in a sea of debt before their lives have even started.
and all served up by a bunch of privileged Oxbridge brats for whom fees are loose change
we could slash the DFID budget and have free education.
it's a matter of choice.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
I was thinking of holding it at Poptastic in The VillageBeverley_C said:
It is a pity they demolished Tommy Ducks - you lot would have loved it, especially the "collection" nailed to the ceilingTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
Perfect!0 -
Isn't Jason basically saying the FTSE would be a lot lower if someone detonated a dirty bomb in central London? Not that assets would literally be destroyed.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's because you're not aware of the controls in place to stop something like that happening.Jason said:
No, you misunderstand the point I'm trying to make. In the event of such a disastrous occurrence, stock markets the world over would crash, wiping trillions off stocks and commodities. I'm not necessarily talking about the physical damage, which would be immense anyway, but the massive psychological damage and commercial/business sentiment.Tony said:
With all due respect , you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutJason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?
Servers for any large City organisation are typical hosted AWAY from the centre of London in at least 2 buildings a minimum of 30 miles apart. Data is replicated between both locations so the company can continue with limited impact should a site go down.
I'm really struggling to make it any simpler to understand than that.
They've already wargamed this into the system.0 -
Nick Timothy wrote that section.kle4 said:Just spotted this in the Tory manifesto
We will prohibit councils from creating any new places in schools that have been rated either ‘inadequate’ or ‘requires improvement’ by Ofsted
That seems fraught with unintended difficulties, at first glance.0 -
We'd probably have less sympathy if we invaded and seized Calais (despite it being our rightful claim)Chelyabinsk said:
Unfortunately, sympathy is not always shown where it should be.ydoethur said:
Why would they not show solidarity? Even Putin's doing that!Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
Just because we are leaving the EU does not mean they will stop behaving like rational and decent human beings at events like this, as we will not if (when, sadly) the boot is on the other foot. 0 -
Personally I'd be more worried about the massive loss of life rather than the hit my pension pot might take.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's because you're not aware of the controls in place to stop something like that happening.Jason said:
No, you misunderstand the point I'm trying to make. In the event of such a disastrous occurrence, stock markets the world over would crash, wiping trillions off stocks and commodities. I'm not necessarily talking about the physical damage, which would be immense anyway, but the massive psychological damage and commercial/business sentiment.Tony said:
With all due respect , you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutJason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?
Servers for any large City organisation are typical hosted AWAY from the centre of London in at least 2 buildings a minimum of 30 miles apart. Data is replicated between both locations so the company can continue with limited impact should a site go down.
I'm really struggling to make it any simpler to understand than that.
They've already wargamed this into the system.0 -
What time is the Corbyn interview on...do we control the TV remote...0
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Is he the manifesto equivalent of an Alan Smithee film?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nick Timothy wrote that section.kle4 said:Just spotted this in the Tory manifesto
We will prohibit councils from creating any new places in schools that have been rated either ‘inadequate’ or ‘requires improvement’ by Ofsted
That seems fraught with unintended difficulties, at first glance.
It's all approved at the top, who wrote bits is immaterial.0 -
Indeed, and we should be ashamed of ourselves.Chelyabinsk said:
Unfortunately, sympathy is not always shown where it should be.ydoethur said:
Why would they not show solidarity? Even Putin's doing that!Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
Just because we are leaving the EU does not mean they will stop behaving like rational and decent human beings at events like this, as we will not if (when, sadly) the boot is on the other foot.0 -
It's worthless, I'd be happy to see such demonstrations of solidarity come to an end.Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
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Nope, there's controls in place.RobD said:
Isn't Jason basically saying the FTSE would be a lot lower if someone detonated a dirty bomb in central London? Not that assets would literally be destroyed.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's because you're not aware of the controls in place to stop something like that happening.Jason said:
No, you misunderstand the point I'm trying to make. In the event of such a disastrous occurrence, stock markets the world over would crash, wiping trillions off stocks and commodities. I'm not necessarily talking about the physical damage, which would be immense anyway, but the massive psychological damage and commercial/business sentiment.Tony said:
With all due respect , you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutJason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?
Servers for any large City organisation are typical hosted AWAY from the centre of London in at least 2 buildings a minimum of 30 miles apart. Data is replicated between both locations so the company can continue with limited impact should a site go down.
I'm really struggling to make it any simpler to understand than that.
They've already wargamed this into the system.
I mean you do know stock markets can be suspended in emergencies? Just look at what happened on/the days after 9/110 -
Odd conversation this morning with an officer of the local Labour Party. He was canvvassed a couple of days ago by by the LibDem .... hasn’t a poster in his window yet ..... who was, apparently, at Oxford with May. (as she subsequently became!)
May .... easier .... apparently spent most of her time around the Conservative Association rather than either doing more than just enough work, or socialising with other students, who might have had different views.
Or both!0 -
Have a beer for me everyone. Remember those who will no longer be able to enjoy lifes simple pleasures.
@TSE - I would be up for a Manchester get together.0 -
A vigil in Birmingham for the Manchester Arena victims has been interrupted after a man apparently armed with a large knife and a baseball bat was detained nearby, Press Association reports.0
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I haven't had a chance to look at any other than Labour's in any detail, to be honest.kle4 said:
What's your general take on the 'education' offer, if I might ask?ydoethur said:
Less so than you might imagine because most schools especially in the former category are undersubscribed anyway. The problem is usually paying for staff redundancies not creating more places.kle4 said:Just spotted this in the Tory manifesto
We will prohibit councils from creating any new places in schools that have been rated either ‘inadequate’ or ‘requires improvement’ by Ofsted
That seems fraught with unintended difficulties, at first glance.
If that was meant seriously, then Rayner is actually even stupider than she looks. It wasn't even unworkable, it was actually deliberately dishonest (in terms of its funding - in effect, every spending commitment was unfunded).
Looking in more detail will have to wait a few days until I am a bit less busy.0 -
Well played Dubai!SeanT said:
We got similar gestures of solidarity from Australia, Israel, Canada, Dubai, etc etc etcRoger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
Dubai was really rather impressive
https://twitter.com/AthleticsDrLeon/status/867066054085943300
I trust our friendships go beyond the politics of a trading bloc0 -
See that's why you're a Lib Dem, and I'm a ToryPulpstar said:Personally I'd be more worried about the massive loss of life rather than the hit my pension pot might take.
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I wouldn't even take issue with most of that, there's more truth there than you will here from most of the press who are already following the very script he listed.SeanT said:Whatever you think of the politics, the alt right has mastered graphics, production values and presentation skills. This stuff is powerful, and watched by millions.
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To be fair to Nick Timothy he's got a lot of experience in the schools/educational sector.kle4 said:
Is he the manifesto equivalent of an Alan Smithee film?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nick Timothy wrote that section.kle4 said:Just spotted this in the Tory manifesto
We will prohibit councils from creating any new places in schools that have been rated either ‘inadequate’ or ‘requires improvement’ by Ofsted
That seems fraught with unintended difficulties, at first glance.
It's all approved at the top, who wrote bits is immaterial.0 -
I cried when I saw the picture of the eight year old, did I cry when many women and children died as a result our middle east bombing, probably not but it has made me think0
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That takes me back. women's knickers wasn't it?Beverley_C said:
It is a pity they demolished Tommy Ducks - you lot would have loved it, especially the "collection" nailed to the ceilingTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
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This.AlastairMeeks said:If anyone arrives in the area early with some time to kill, I recommend looking round the park opposite, the Postman's Park. It has a remarkable monument to heroic deaths in the late 19th century. It's both moving and in places unintentionally amusing.
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It simply hasnt gone tits up yetkle4 said:
And yet people didn't throw him to the wolves for maintaining the 0.7% and university fees, so in general people cannot be that unhappy about that principle. It is demonstrably so. And May is expected to win while promising basically the same, and could win even bigger, a lot bigger, so once again people might not be that angry about it. Will sufficient numbers be angry to make a difference is a different question.Alanbrooke said:
No it isntkle4 said:
Yes,Alanbrooke said:
it's not unaffordable.kle4 said:
Probably are, but is the anger so bad they would, on that issue, vote for it even though it is (at least to my mind) unaffordable and unrealistic?Alanbrooke said:
and what about their parents ?Jason said:
One thing I found curious about this announcement was the total lack of scrutiny from either the Tories or the media. As you say, one of the most naked electoral bribes I can ever remember, coming in at an eye watering 10 billion quid a year. As I mentioned earlier, the scrutiny of Labour's manifesto (and Mr Corbyn) has been woefully lacking because nobody took it seriously. That cannot be allowed to continue.kle4 said:
One of the more blatant electioneering stunt announcements- while I would be very happy if more young people voted for once, I would hope that unbelievable promise doesn't sway things too much.FrancisUrquhart said:No idea how significant in the context of normal GE numbers and given this don't auto register..
A record-breaking 250,000 young people signed up to vote yesterday after Labour promised an expensive election giveaway to students.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534290/Record-250-000-young-people-register-vote-24-hours.html
Big believer one significant driver of recent labour poll numbers is students / free uni policy.
We all know the voting history of 18-24 year olds, so the Tories needn't worry too much, I feel. They didn't even turn out for the EU referendum in any great number, and I expect the same at this election.
you dont think they are monstrously pissed off seeing their children drowning in a sea of debt before their lives have even started.
and all served up by a bunch of privileged Oxbridge brats for whom fees are loose change
we could slash the DFID budget and have free education.
it's a matter of choice.
its fairly straight forward we piss money up the wall so Cameron could play noblesse oblige with other peoples money.
we dont invest in our childrens future.
but the scheme is unsustainable and people will get pissed off0 -
I think it acts as a displacement for doing useful things, and we use it as a way of damping down justified anger, so I wouldn't agree that it is harmless.kle4 said:0 -
One oil company commissioned a report into what would happen if it's London HQ was completely destroyed (staff, records - the lot). The foolish consultants provided a report that said - no noticeable effect on world wide operations.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's because you're not aware of the controls in place to stop something like that happening.Jason said:
No, you misunderstand the point I'm trying to make. In the event of such a disastrous occurrence, stock markets the world over would crash, wiping trillions off stocks and commodities. I'm not necessarily talking about the physical damage, which would be immense anyway, but the massive psychological damage and commercial/business sentiment.Tony said:
With all due respect , you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutJason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?
Servers for any large City organisation are typical hosted AWAY from the centre of London in at least 2 buildings a minimum of 30 miles apart. Data is replicated between both locations so the company can continue with limited impact should a site go down.
I'm really struggling to make it any simpler to understand than that.
They've already wargamed this into the system.
Strangely, no further work was commissioned to them from the London office....0 -
Re late electoral registrations:
The interesting and relevant figure will be the total electorate this time compared to 2015 GE and 2016 EU ref.
Of course this GE's figure won't be available yet until all the late applications have been processed.0 -
We don't put our flags at half mast when they have a bombing or shootings in Iraq or Libya or Israel or the US or Russia or Tunisia. It's something we do with those closest to us and something those close do to us.Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
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Yes. However, for the avoidance of doubt, none of them belonged to meRoger said:
That takes me back. women's knickers wasn't it?Beverley_C said:
It is a pity they demolished Tommy Ducks - you lot would have loved it, especially the "collection" nailed to the ceilingTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
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You are confusing people because two of your three named cities contain a major bourse; perhaps try Berlin, Washington, Rome as examples? And a big enough atrocity to collapse the world's stock markets would probably have graver and more lasting consequences than just the collapse of the world's stock markets. Buy physical gold, and tinned beans, if that makes you any happier.Jason said:
No, you misunderstand the point I'm trying to make. In the event of such a disastrous occurrence, stock markets the world over would crash, wiping trillions off stocks and commodities. I'm not necessarily talking about the physical damage, which would be immense anyway, but the massive psychological damage and commercial/business sentiment.Tony said:
With all due respect , you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutJason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?
Servers for any large City organisation are typical hosted AWAY from the centre of London in at least 2 buildings a minimum of 30 miles apart. Data is replicated between both locations so the company can continue with limited impact should a site go down.
I'm really struggling to make it any simpler to understand than that.0 -
Why, was it closed?Malmesbury said:
One oil company commissioned a report into what would happen if it's London HQ was completely destroyed (staff, records - the lot). The foolish consultants provided a report that said - no noticeable effect on world wide operations.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's because you're not aware of the controls in place to stop something like that happening.Jason said:
No, you misunderstand the point I'm trying to make. In the event of such a disastrous occurrence, stock markets the world over would crash, wiping trillions off stocks and commodities. I'm not necessarily talking about the physical damage, which would be immense anyway, but the massive psychological damage and commercial/business sentiment.Tony said:
With all due respect , you don't have a clue what you're talking aboutJason said:Jason said:
No, no, no, I'm not talking about physically blowing up computer servers. Stock markets can crash without someone unplugging a machine.TheScreamingEagles said:
No they fucking wouldn't.Jason said:Consider this nightmare scenario.
Imagine if a group of these psychos got hold of some fissile material - highly unlikely, not even probable, but a tiny possibility in a globalised world.
A dirty atomic weapon, however crude, detonated in the centre of London, Paris, Berlin, etc, would probably bring down our entire system overnight. It would crash every stock market in the world, trillions of pounds would disappear in an instant, and all of our stocks, shares, pension funds, etc, would be wiped out.
We could potentially end up going back a hundred years, at least in the short term. It's a horrifying thought, but let's not kid ourselves about this - if they could make this happen, they would.
Places like the Bank of England, the Stock Exchange all have off site back ups well away from London to stop the nightmare scenario you're fantasising about.
And it's hardly a fucking fantasy, now is it?
Servers for any large City organisation are typical hosted AWAY from the centre of London in at least 2 buildings a minimum of 30 miles apart. Data is replicated between both locations so the company can continue with limited impact should a site go down.
I'm really struggling to make it any simpler to understand than that.
They've already wargamed this into the system.
Strangely, no further work was commissioned to them from the London office.... 0 -
Europe will remain close to us, in or out of the EU - we'd do it for Norway. Geographically close, culturally close, these things remain true, even if politically we separate and even if you feel culturally we are drifting away.Roger said:
We don't put our flags at half mast when they have a bombing or shootings in Iraq or Libya or Israel or the US or Russia or Tunisia. It's something we do with those closest to us and something those close do to us.Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
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She looks - and sounds - like Keith Lemon. Only he's funny and she isn't.ydoethur said:
I haven't had a chance to look at any other than Labour's in any detail, to be honest.kle4 said:
What's your general take on the 'education' offer, if I might ask?ydoethur said:
Less so than you might imagine because most schools especially in the former category are undersubscribed anyway. The problem is usually paying for staff redundancies not creating more places.kle4 said:Just spotted this in the Tory manifesto
We will prohibit councils from creating any new places in schools that have been rated either ‘inadequate’ or ‘requires improvement’ by Ofsted
That seems fraught with unintended difficulties, at first glance.
If that was meant seriously, then Rayner is actually even stupider than she looks. It wasn't even unworkable, it was actually deliberately dishonest (in terms of its funding - in effect, every spending commitment was unfunded).
Looking in more detail will have to wait a few days until I am a bit less busy.0 -
I assume you go commando ?Beverley_C said:
Yes. However, for the avoidance of doubt, none of them belonged to meRoger said:
That takes me back. women's knickers wasn't it?Beverley_C said:
It is a pity they demolished Tommy Ducks - you lot would have loved it, especially the "collection" nailed to the ceilingTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm hoping to arrange a PB meet in Manchester in October to coincide with the Tory conference.SandyRentool said:When is the next PB meet in Yorkshire? Cycling World Championships? A bit of a way off!
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Marvellous that they were able to get past the distorting burden of their religion.SeanT said:
We got similar gestures of solidarity from Australia, Israel, Canada, Dubai, etc etc etcRoger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
Dubai was really rather impressive
https://twitter.com/AthleticsDrLeon/status/867066054085943300
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Especially its 'memorial to heroic self sacrifice'.AlastairMeeks said:If anyone arrives in the area early with some time to kill, I recommend looking round the park opposite, the Postman's Park. It has a remarkable monument to heroic deaths in the late 19th century. It's both moving and in places unintentionally amusing.
PB'ers task for the evening is to identify some additonal political nominees for such commemoration,0 -
The SNP occupation government would be incapable of honoring the Union flag so.Theuniondivvie said:
Marvellous that they were able to get past the distorting burden of their religion.SeanT said:
We got similar gestures of solidarity from Australia, Israel, Canada, Dubai, etc etc etcRoger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
Dubai was really rather impressive
https://twitter.com/AthleticsDrLeon/status/867066054085943300
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lol. I'd suggest our bond with the Americans is much deeper than with Europe.Roger said:
We don't put our flags at half mast when they have a bombing or shootings in Iraq or Libya or Israel or the US or Russia or Tunisia. It's something we do with those closest to us and something those close do to us.Roger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
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I'd also be up for this, if we are thinking of non-London PB events.CommanderShepard said:Have a beer for me everyone. Remember those who will no longer be able to enjoy lifes simple pleasures.
@TSE - I would be up for a Manchester get together.0 -
I share what @TudorRose wrote on the previous thread about how to tackle Corbyn.
Perhaps some comments from Labour types might help:-
Exhibit 1 below: a vignette from September 2016 – the first formal day of the Conference.
9:46am: Corbyn tells Jewish peer who quit Labour over anti-Semitism to “reflect“.
9:56am: Corbyn says he backs war crimes investigations into British troops.
10:00am: Corbyn says he opposes giving more resources to MI6.
10:22am: McDonnell defends calling Esther McVey “a stain on humanity”.
10:40am: Yvette Cooper tells McDonnell to apologise.
11:06am: McDonnell doubles down, says “yes I do” think they were the right words.
11:15pm: Derek Hatton spotted in the conference hall.
11:52am: Ken Livingstone talks about Hitler on the BBC.
1:42am: Delegate rants about “Jewish MPs” and “Jewish plot to oust Corbyn”.
1:50pm: Fringe speaker compares Tory welfare policy to Nazis’ Arbeit Macht Frei.
5:00pm: Momentum host speaker call for a Jewish man’s throat to be cut.
5:25pm: Anti-war merchandise mocking injured British soldiers on sale.
6:00pm: Jackie Walker says anti-Semitism in Labour is “exaggerated“.
6:30pm: Leaflets circulated: “Jewish Labour Movement does not belong in Labour” at a meeting held to discuss anti-Semitism within the Labour party.
And this – Exhibit 2 – from a former Labour councillor in Portsmouth. Perhaps it should now be plastered all over Tory posters.
"I cannot advocate to voters that they elect a Labour Government with Jeremy Corbyn at the helm. Indeed, I would be morally obliged to campaign against any administration that included Corbyn and John McDonnell, given my belief that they would seriously imperil our nation's national security if ever given the reins of power."
Mind you, it simply echoes what Jeff (now Lord) Rooker said last year at the time of the Syria bombing vote.
"My party leader cannot be accused, like the prime minister, of misleading anyone. He has never, to my knowledge, agreed to protect the realm, the British way of life, or western liberal democracies – and he won't. We need to get rid of him before we face the electorate and have a leader fit and proper to offer themselves as our prime minister….
The case is clear, Daesh is coming for us. They try to use our innate tolerance to undermine us – exactly the same way as the anti-British Trots in the Labour party are using our tolerance to try and get control. The history of Munich tells me not to give in to the easy route. If you don't fight when under attack, you lose – and we are under attack."
Ouch, ouch….
Plus Diane Abbott, a woman Corbyn is putting forward as Home Secretary.
How any decent person can – in all good conscience – now support Labour beats me.
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George Osborne has been very busy, editing a paper and sticking up posters as well
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Money and less culture than an empty yoghurt pot?Theuniondivvie said:
Marvellous that they were able to get past the distorting burden of their religion.SeanT said:
We got similar gestures of solidarity from Australia, Israel, Canada, Dubai, etc etc etcRoger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
Dubai was really rather impressive
https://twitter.com/AthleticsDrLeon/status/867066054085943300
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Its not a viral ad for some gym is it?TheScreamingEagles said:George Osborne has been very busy, editing a paper and sticking up posters as well
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well he's got so much time on his hands these days .....TheScreamingEagles said:George Osborne has been very busy, editing a paper and sticking up posters as well
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http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-flags-flying-in-holyrood-outside-the-parliament-building-looking-towards-32909416.htmlMonikerDiCanio said:
The SNP occupation government would be incapable of honoring the Union flag so.Theuniondivvie said:
Marvellous that they were able to get past the distorting burden of their religion.SeanT said:
We got similar gestures of solidarity from Australia, Israel, Canada, Dubai, etc etc etcRoger said:I went to the Cannes film festival today and they had the British the French and the EU flags at half mast. It was quite moving. I think we're going to miss this solidarity more than we can imagine in the months and years ahead.
Dubai was really rather impressive
https://twitter.com/AthleticsDrLeon/status/867066054085943300
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You miss him don't you.Alanbrooke said:
well he's got so much time on his hands these days .....TheScreamingEagles said:George Osborne has been very busy, editing a paper and sticking up posters as well
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/867094028801757185
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Indeed - he was planning on being an MP half the time, and a newspaper editor half the time, so he really needs another job.Alanbrooke said:
well he's got so much time on his hands these days .....TheScreamingEagles said:George Osborne has been very busy, editing a paper and sticking up posters as well
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/8670940288017571850
