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Yes, I have just had the email telling me the national LibDem campaign is suspended, and asking that all local activity cease likewise. As far as the national campaign is concerned, we are probably better off if it stays suspended thru June 9th.

The national freepost deliveries are easy to suspend - one instruction from Royal Mail HQ telling Delivery Offices not to send their posties out with them and the job is done. They are kept separate at the DO - they don't come through with the ordinary mail.

You know what, Trump's response to this is actually exactly right. These people are losers, and they need to be driven out of our society.

Suspending the national campaigns is the right thing to do. We did the same unilaterally in Wakefield and Hemsworth Conservatives early this morning. I've since had an e-mail from the regional campaign office, with an attachment I can't open on my mobile, but which I assume instructs a cessation of campaigning at a local level too.

I don't intend to comment further on this. I'm sure others will discuss the implications, which on a betting site is fair enough, but I'm not in the mood for it.

bigjohnowls said:

PB is not the place for me today.

My first and only thoughts today are with victims and families.

Really cannot understand those respected posters who within a few hours of hearing the news wish to make Political Capital.

My view is thats disgusting but I don't want to get dragged down to their level so will go elsewhere for the day.

It is not making political capital to point to the very significant implications, during a general election, that an act of political terrorism might have for one political leader whose reputation has been severely damaged by his own reactions to terrorist related issues down the decades.

It is reality.

Yorkcity said:

CarlottaVance said:

Yorkcity said:

JackW said:

bigjohnowls said:

JackW said:

Monksfield said:

RochdalePioneers said:

I struggle with how some people are speculating on the political ramifications of this. Some kids went to a concert and aren't coming home again. Others have suffered gratuitous injuries. This event is NOT something where "Corbyn's in trouble now" fantasies are appropriate. Or May's in trouble for that matter given that ISIS operate regardless of who is in power.

This isn't the IRA, and comparisons to that civil war are lazy. With ISIS there is no-one to negotiate with. No rational cause. No army to target. These suicide bombers are so often radicalised citizens of the state they then attack. There will be a solution to this, and that solution will be talking rather than bombing.

Well said.

Utter nonsense.

This terrorist outrage is a political act and those who think there are no political implications are completely deluded.

The harsh and undoubted reality is that there is only one political leader who will be dangling in the wind through to polling day and his name is Corbyn.

Over the coming days and weeks as the spotlight moves from the initial outrage through to interviews with relatives of the dead and injured and injured themselves and funerals, the nation will be confronted with the weasel words of Jezza on terrorist outrages in the UK and overseas down the decades. Aided and abetted by his Shadow Home Secretary - Diane Abbott

ISIS Manchester Arena Bombing 2017
IRA Manchester Arndale Bombing 1996

The political juxtaposition is devastating.

Disgusting post you are an ARSE

If it's disgusting to state the truth of Corbyn's perfidy then I happily plead guilty.

In the light of last nights terrorist attack you as a Labour partisan may wish to dance on a pinhead to avoid confronting Corbyn's past and the implications of it for the general election.

So be it.

What is the truth Jack w can you spell it out .So we are all clear .

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3623934/ex-ira-killer-says-jeremy-corbyns-solidarity-encouraged-vicious-campaign-of-violence-and-without-his-support-terrorist-murders-and-torture-would-have-ended-much-earlier/

Carletta I was asking JackW as I respect what he thinks not the sun.As the sun is not a trustworthy source as many in Liverpool and Northern England are aware.

The Sun are quoting a former IRA member:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3623936/jeremy-corbyn-might-not-have-planted-a-bomb-but-he-made-it-easier-for-those-who-did-says-former-ira-man/

IanB2 said:

JackW said:

bigjohnowls said:

PB is not the place for me today.

My first and only thoughts today are with victims and families.

Really cannot understand those respected posters who within a few hours of hearing the news wish to make Political Capital.

My view is thats disgusting but I don't want to get dragged down to their level so will go elsewhere for the day.

It is not making political capital to point to the very significant implications, during a general election, that an act of political terrorism might have for one political leader whose reputation has been severely damaged by his own reactions to terrorist related issues down the decades.

It is reality.

You seem to misunderstand the meaning of "making political capital". Whether the accusation is "real" or not is irrelevant.

Incorrect.

The implication of "making political capital" is a deliberate and unworthy attempt to seek advantage.

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

SandyRentool said:

We can only hope that this was an isolated attack and not the first of a coordinated series between now and election day.

I think its somewhere in the middle, it seems these people don't really coordinate but they're too frequent to be called isolated.

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

Mr. D, preventing every attack is impossible.

JackW said:

IanB2 said:

JackW said:

bigjohnowls said:

PB is not the place for me today.

My first and only thoughts today are with victims and families.

Really cannot understand those respected posters who within a few hours of hearing the news wish to make Political Capital.

My view is thats disgusting but I don't want to get dragged down to their level so will go elsewhere for the day.

It is not making political capital to point to the very significant implications, during a general election, that an act of political terrorism might have for one political leader whose reputation has been severely damaged by his own reactions to terrorist related issues down the decades.

It is reality.

You seem to misunderstand the meaning of "making political capital". Whether the accusation is "real" or not is irrelevant.

Incorrect.

The implication of "making political capital" is a deliberate and unworthy attempt to seek advantage.

Correct.

Your posts are deliberate and unworthy, and seek advantage. Whether they are based on truth, or not, is irrelevant. As I said.

FPT:

In defence of politicisation of these issues - I take the view that when there is a mass shooting in the US, all the NRA people saying that 'today is not the time for politics' or accusing the democrats of making political capital out of the shootings is pretty disgusting in my mind, because it just stops discussing the problems at hand. I have a feeling many people are the same as me in this regard.

Therefore, I cannot oppose the politicisation of other attacks - terrorism should be open for politicisation just as much as other issues. I happen to disagree with those on here who link the issue to Corbyn's IRA failings, I don't think this will massively affect his campaign. But you can't pretend these issues don't have a political aspect.

Slackbladder said:

You know what, Trump's response to this is actually exactly right. These people are losers, and they need to be driven out of our society.

How are they losing? The percentage of muslims in western states increases every year. That's winning.

Dura_Ace said:

Slackbladder said:

You know what, Trump's response to this is actually exactly right. These people are losers, and they need to be driven out of our society.

How are they losing? The percentage of muslims in western states increases every year. That's winning.

Only if you equate terrorism directly with the Muslim faith which thankfully most people do not.

Edit: and even there I have allowed myself to be sucked into your mistake of immediately assuming the attacker was Muslim. That may well be the case but the assumption based on no evidence is also we.

freetochoose said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

This will be the defining moments of their campaign, social care becomes irrelevant.

Let's see what they're made of.

If this determines the result of the election, then the terrorists are winning. Of course national security is an important issue, but so are all of the other issues that we have been debating.

SandyRentool said:

freetochoose said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

This will be the defining moments of their campaign, social care becomes irrelevant.

Let's see what they're made of.

If this determines the result of the election, then the terrorists are winning. Of course national security is an important issue, but so are all of the other issues that we have been debating.

This site is for politicos, the wider electorate go by gut feeling - can I vote for this person to govern the country? A penny on income tax is nothing when compared to the slaughter of children.

Fenster said:

Slackbladder said:

You know what, Trump's response to this is actually exactly right. These people are losers, and they need to be driven out of our society.

Agree with that. We should start calling them 'cowardly criminals'. Take the glamour away.

Absolute bastards. The children were near the merchandising area. It's terrible.

Fenster use criminals and any other word you like for their despicable acts However I never think cowards is the correct wording.

This is a totally unnecessary election and a waste of public money. I know some will say if the election is cancelled that means the bomber has won, but I think this is the best we can do, after all there may be more planned in the next 2 weeks and all the security on the election can be added to counter the attackers whoever they may be. Cancel the election I say.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Dura_Ace said:

Slackbladder said:

You know what, Trump's response to this is actually exactly right. These people are losers, and they need to be driven out of our society.

How are they losing? The percentage of muslims in western states increases every year. That's winning.

Only if you equate terrorism directly with the Muslim faith which thankfully most people do not.

Edit: and even there I have allowed myself to be sucked into your mistake of immediately assuming the attacker was Muslim. That may well be the case but the assumption based on no evidence is also we.

I get the whiff of the Rotherham investigation here. "Can't identify the nationality/religion of the perpetrators"

Ishmael_Z said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Dura_Ace said:

Slackbladder said:

You know what, Trump's response to this is actually exactly right. These people are losers, and they need to be driven out of our society.

How are they losing? The percentage of muslims in western states increases every year. That's winning.

Only if you equate terrorism directly with the Muslim faith which thankfully most people do not.

Edit: and even there I have allowed myself to be sucked into your mistake of immediately assuming the attacker was Muslim. That may well be the case but the assumption based on no evidence is also we.

Well, I am very bloody happy to correlate terrorism directly with the Muslim faith (as are you, subject to your afterthought; you were right first time).

Nope I was answering the assumption made by Dura_Ace and if you equate terrorism and Islam in the way he did (the terrorists are winning because Islam is growing in Europe) then frankly you are a bloody fool

Trump's found the right words today :

LOSERS

Blue_rog said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Dura_Ace said:

Slackbladder said:

You know what, Trump's response to this is actually exactly right. These people are losers, and they need to be driven out of our society.

How are they losing? The percentage of muslims in western states increases every year. That's winning.

Only if you equate terrorism directly with the Muslim faith which thankfully most people do not.

Edit: and even there I have allowed myself to be sucked into your mistake of immediately assuming the attacker was Muslim. That may well be the case but the assumption based on no evidence is also we.

I get the whiff of the Rotherham investigation here. "Can't identify the nationality/religion of the perpetrators"

Not at all. I am sure it will be revealed very quickly. But making the kind of offensive connections that Dura just made helps no one.

Pulpstar said:

Trump's found the right words today :

LOSERS

I love the way he says it, too.

David_Evershed said:

SandyRentool said:

freetochoose said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

This will be the defining moments of their campaign, social care becomes irrelevant.

Let's see what they're made of.

If this determines the result of the election, then the terrorists are winning. Of course national security is an important issue, but so are all of the other issues that we have been debating.

Security trumps everything else.

Without security you have nothing.

I think having a cohesive society trumps everything. Security is a big part of that but not the only part.

Mr. Rentool, indeed.

theakes said:

This is a totally unnecessary election and a waste of public money. I know some will say if the election is cancelled that means the bomber has won, but I think this is the best we can do, after all there may be more planned in the next 2 weeks and all the security on the election can be added to counter the attackers whoever they may be. Cancel the election I say.

Are you mad? The terrorists have won unequivocally if we opt out of democracy.

Morning all,

Shocked at what happened in Manchester last night. Hearts go out to all the victims (a lot of them are going to be very young as well) and their families.

On the political side (and it seems nasty to say this) but this almost certainly stops Jezza's mini-revival in its tracks.

But we have more important things to worry about today...

David_Evershed said:

SandyRentool said:

freetochoose said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

This will be the defining moments of their campaign, social care becomes irrelevant.

Let's see what they're made of.

If this determines the result of the election, then the terrorists are winning. Of course national security is an important issue, but so are all of the other issues that we have been debating.

Security trumps everything else.

Without security you have nothing.

Alastair did a piece on that last year re the referendum:

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/14/alastair-meels-looks-at-the-theory-of-referendum-motivation/

theakes said:

This is a totally unnecessary election and a waste of public money. I know some will say if the election is cancelled that means the bomber has won, but I think this is the best we can do, after all there may be more planned in the next 2 weeks and all the security on the election can be added to counter the attackers whoever they may be. Cancel the election I say.

You are mad. Of course that would mean the bombers had won. It would be a national surrender to them.

Utterly horrifying news. On the political effects, I think the main one will be that when the campaigns start up again it will cool temperatures. The Tories and their press allies will be more careful about linking Corbyn to the IRA lest they be accused of crass opportunism. Likewise, the head of steam that was building on the left about May's alleged character flaws will dissipate as even the most partisan recognise the difficulty and importance of reacting well to events like these. It's a lot more difficult to hurl insults when there's more horrific things going on.

We know from the past that barring a cock-up (Bush, Katrina) coping with tragedies, terrorist outrages or otherwise, tend to politically help those tasked with coping with them. Which is fair enough really, as doing so proves a politician can perform the first duty of leader - to lead the nation against threats to our safety.

Thoughts with all those who were either at the Manchester Arena or were left worried about loved ones there.

JonathanD said:

David_Evershed said:

SandyRentool said:

freetochoose said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

This will be the defining moments of their campaign, social care becomes irrelevant.

Let's see what they're made of.

If this determines the result of the election, then the terrorists are winning. Of course national security is an important issue, but so are all of the other issues that we have been debating.

Security trumps everything else.

Without security you have nothing.

I think having a cohesive society trumps everything. Security is a big part of that but not the only part.

If a group of people are at war with you, you have to give that priority.

SandyRentool said:

David_Evershed said:

SandyRentool said:

freetochoose said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

This will be the defining moments of their campaign, social care becomes irrelevant.

Let's see what they're made of.

If this determines the result of the election, then the terrorists are winning. Of course national security is an important issue, but so are all of the other issues that we have been debating.

Security trumps everything else.

Without security you have nothing.

There is a balance between liberty and security. I would not want to live in a secure totalitarian state.

Which is a fallacy anyway. The most deadly terrorist attacks in recent years have come in countries with authoritarian governments - though it is partly chicken-and-egg where terrorists already exist, and the most totalitarian countries the biggest terrorist is the state itself.

JackW said:

IanB2 said:

Correct.

Your posts are deliberate and unworthy, and seek advantage. Whether they are based on truth, or not, is irrelevant. As I said.

My posts are clearly deliberate but perhaps you might clarify why they are "unworthy" and why I would "seek advantage" for a particular party?

I worry that you cannot see how seeking to use the murder of innocent teenagers, just hours after the event, the victims as yet unidentified and for reasons still unknown, to advance your argument for not voting for a particular party in the coming election is both seeking advantage and unworthy.

Your original post has already attracted sufficient responses to indicate you are fighting a losing battle with this one.

COBRA meeting over.

By coincidence I happen to be reading The Looming Tower - Al Qaeda's Road To 9/11 by Lawrence Wright. I am sure there will be other PBers who will confirm what an excellent account of the background to Islamic Terrorism this is.

Anybody reading it will have their understanding of the source of such outrages greatly enhanced. This particular reader was to surprised however to find himself reacting not with less disdain but more towards the perpetrators. They are not a single body, and vary hugely in character and outlook, but you cannot be struck by the prevalence of intolerance, self-indulgence and often downright childishness amongst the culprits.

It is right we should try to understand. Understanding always helps, but it need not imply indulgence.

Btw, I should add that it is not yet known what the religion or background of the culprit was. We are entitled to suspect Islam, on the evidence of similar previous attacks, but for the moment it would be as well not to jump to conclusions.

David_Evershed said:

JonathanD said:

David_Evershed said:

SandyRentool said:

freetochoose said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

This will be the defining moments of their campaign, social care becomes irrelevant.

Let's see what they're made of.

If this determines the result of the election, then the terrorists are winning. Of course national security is an important issue, but so are all of the other issues that we have been debating.

Security trumps everything else.

Without security you have nothing.

I think having a cohesive society trumps everything. Security is a big part of that but not the only part.

If a group of people are at war with you, you have to give that priority.

Well, surely if security and safety trump everything, you should instantly surrender in any war.

david_herdson said:

David_Evershed said:

SandyRentool said:

freetochoose said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

This will be the defining moments of their campaign, social care becomes irrelevant.

Let's see what they're made of.

If this determines the result of the election, then the terrorists are winning. Of course national security is an important issue, but so are all of the other issues that we have been debating.

Security trumps everything else.

Without security you have nothing.

Alastair did a piece on that last year re the referendum:

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/14/alastair-meels-looks-at-the-theory-of-referendum-motivation/

Maslow's heirarchy of needs proposes that the first priority of people after breathing and eating is security - not social cohesiveness.

IanB2 said:

JackW said:

IanB2 said:

Correct.

Your posts are deliberate and unworthy, and seek advantage. Whether they are based on truth, or not, is irrelevant. As I said.

My posts are clearly deliberate but perhaps you might clarify why they are "unworthy" and why I would "seek advantage" for a particular party?

I worry that you cannot see how seeking to use the murder of innocent teenagers, just hours after the event, the victims as yet unidentified and for reasons still unknown, to advance your argument for not voting for a particular party in the coming election is both seeking advantage and unworthy.

Your original post has already attracted sufficient responses to indicate you are fighting a losing battle with this one.

This site is to post regarding the politics, and the betting. I'd expect to be utterly lynched and defriended by alot of people if I posted such analysis onto Facebook.
No this site is for hard headed thinking about what might happen on Betfair and other places.
@JackW is entitled to his views on the consequences thereof.
@MJW Has expressed well my thoughts on the consequences of this

"On the political effects, I think the main one will be that when the campaigns start up again it will cool temperatures. The Tories and their press allies will be more careful about linking Corbyn to the IRA lest they be accused of crass opportunism. Likewise, the head of steam that was building on the left about May's alleged character flaws will dissipate as even the most partisan recognise the difficulty and importance of reacting well to events like these. It's a lot more difficult to hurl insults when there's more horrific things going on."

Of course the attack is utterly disgusting and carried out by life's losers. But we all know that.

SandyRentool said:

I wasn't suggesting that totalitarian states ARE secure, merely highlighting the value of liberty in addition to security.

I really hope that May does not use the phrase 'Strong and Stable' in her statement today. Not today.

She's not that silly.

KentRising said:

SandyRentool said:

I wasn't suggesting that totalitarian states ARE secure, merely highlighting the value of liberty in addition to security.

I really hope that May does not use the phrase 'Strong and Stable' in her statement today. Not today.

She's not that silly.

Well, last week gives me pause for thought.

david_herdson said:

SandyRentool said:

David_Evershed said:

SandyRentool said:

freetochoose said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

I appreciate emotions are running high and I agree that general campaigning should pause but I'm afraid I DO want to see May and Corbyn today. I want to see how the two PM candidates react to a national disaster.

Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?

May in 30-60 mins after COBRA in Downing Street. Corbyn, sometime after I would expect for a statement to the cameras.

This will be the defining moments of their campaign, social care becomes irrelevant.

Let's see what they're made of.

If this determines the result of the election, then the terrorists are winning. Of course national security is an important issue, but so are all of the other issues that we have been debating.

Security trumps everything else.

Without security you have nothing.

There is a balance between liberty and security. I would not want to live in a secure totalitarian state.

Which is a fallacy anyway. The most deadly terrorist attacks in recent years have come in countries with authoritarian governments - though it is partly chicken-and-egg where terrorists already exist, and the most totalitarian countries the biggest terrorist is the state itself.

Yes exactly - North Korea has never suffered a terrorist attack on its soil, must be the most secure state there is. Still not a ringing endorsement to go live there.

Ah, statement within the next few hours. So maybe not too imminent.

YBarddCwsc said:

The problem is that the terrorist act itself was political, so there is no real way it can be divorced form the day-to-day politics of the General Election, or the beliefs of the participants.

It’s very sad. The election was already depressing enough.

After a respite to allow tempers to cool, it seems completely inevitable that this terrorist act will become embroiled in the Election.

JackW is simply stating the logical conclusion & the consequences.

"Crime is crime. It is NOT political!" - Maggie, 1981.

David_Evershed said:

freetochoose said:

BBC have just shown a big screen saying PRAY FOR MANCHESTER.

ffs if praying worked this wouldn't have happened

Yes - but which God should we pray to?

Well if you are Laurie Penny, you send your 'atheist prayers' (she tweeted that after the Westminster attack)

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/844588769177206784

Paristonda said:

David_Evershed said:

freetochoose said:

BBC have just shown a big screen saying PRAY FOR MANCHESTER.

ffs if praying worked this wouldn't have happened

Yes - but which God should we pray to?

Well if you are Laurie Penny, you send your 'atheist prayers' (she tweeted that after the Westminster attack)

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/844588769177206784

Ugh, totally unnecessary.

Peter_the_Punter said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

BBC have just shown a big screen saying PRAY FOR MANCHESTER.

ffs if praying worked this wouldn't have happened

Keep calm and carry on would have been better IMO.

Following the London July bombings, Bertrand Delanoë, mayor of Paris, referred to the disappointment Parisians had felt at losing out the previous day on the city's Olympic bid. 'Yesterday', he said, 'we were competitors. Today, we're all Londoners".

It was very touching. Maybe today we can all be Mancunians.

Reminds me of a joke that did the rounds soon after about someone of the tube saying 'I knew the French were upset about the Olympic bid but this is ridiculous'

Shows British humour shines through in the greatest tragedy.

Peter_the_Punter said:

RobD said:

freetochoose said:

BBC have just shown a big screen saying PRAY FOR MANCHESTER.

ffs if praying worked this wouldn't have happened

Keep calm and carry on would have been better IMO.

Following the London July bombings, Bertrand Delanoë, mayor of Paris, referred to the disappointment Parisians had felt at losing out the previous day on the city's Olympic bid. 'Yesterday', he said, 'we were competitors. Today, we're all Londoners".

It was very touching. Maybe today we can all be Mancunians.

Well said I remember driving to work hearing the word London on the radio announcing the Olympic bid.Then the terrible news the next day.