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Juncker: "We will work side by side… to fight back against those who seek to destroy our way of life" #manchester https://t.co/mYk0A2gIEN
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Yes, I have just had the email telling me the national LibDem campaign is suspended, and asking that all local activity cease likewise. As far as the national campaign is concerned, we are probably better off if it stays suspended thru June 9th.
The national freepost deliveries are easy to suspend - one instruction from Royal Mail HQ telling Delivery Offices not to send their posties out with them and the job is done. They are kept separate at the DO - they don't come through with the ordinary mail.
I don't intend to comment further on this. I'm sure others will discuss the implications, which on a betting site is fair enough, but I'm not in the mood for it.
Absolute bastards. The children were near the merchandising area. It's terrible.
It is reality.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3623936/jeremy-corbyn-might-not-have-planted-a-bomb-but-he-made-it-easier-for-those-who-did-says-former-ira-man/
The implication of "making political capital" is a deliberate and unworthy attempt to seek advantage.
Are they Chamberlin or Churchill?
Probably better than the Suns 'your money or your life' headline.
It’s very sad. The election was already depressing enough.
After a respite to allow tempers to cool, it seems completely inevitable that this terrorist act will become embroiled in the Election.
JackW is simply stating the logical conclusion & the consequences.
As for political consequences, there obviously will be but that is for another time.
Your posts are deliberate and unworthy, and seek advantage. Whether they are based on truth, or not, is irrelevant. As I said.
In defence of politicisation of these issues - I take the view that when there is a mass shooting in the US, all the NRA people saying that 'today is not the time for politics' or accusing the democrats of making political capital out of the shootings is pretty disgusting in my mind, because it just stops discussing the problems at hand. I have a feeling many people are the same as me in this regard.
Therefore, I cannot oppose the politicisation of other attacks - terrorism should be open for politicisation just as much as other issues. I happen to disagree with those on here who link the issue to Corbyn's IRA failings, I don't think this will massively affect his campaign. But you can't pretend these issues don't have a political aspect.
Let's see what they're made of.
This is all for another day. The debate can wait.
Edit: and even there I have allowed myself to be sucked into your mistake of immediately assuming the attacker was Muslim. That may well be the case but the assumption based on no evidence is also we.
Without security you have nothing.
It's no good relying on hope.
What is needed is the capability to weed out the potential criminals before they can strike.
We can narrow down the search to Muslims.
Would you rather live in Turkey or Libya?
LOSERS
The IRA (and their apologists) disgust me - I (and the PM) lost a friend to them.
For once the parallel with the IRA is relevant; the 'persecution'. through discrimination, exclusion and violence, of the catholic population clearly didn't starve the IRA of recruits; indeed interviews with former members indicate that in many cases being on the receiving end of such during their teenage years is the reason many give for their joining. History is littered with examples of such failures.
Shocked at what happened in Manchester last night. Hearts go out to all the victims (a lot of them are going to be very young as well) and their families.
On the political side (and it seems nasty to say this) but this almost certainly stops Jezza's mini-revival in its tracks.
But we have more important things to worry about today...
What would stop terrorists acting in a similar fashion during the new general election ..... and so on?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/14/alastair-meels-looks-at-the-theory-of-referendum-motivation/
We know from the past that barring a cock-up (Bush, Katrina) coping with tragedies, terrorist outrages or otherwise, tend to politically help those tasked with coping with them. Which is fair enough really, as doing so proves a politician can perform the first duty of leader - to lead the nation against threats to our safety.
Thoughts with all those who were either at the Manchester Arena or were left worried about loved ones there.
If a group of people are at war with you, you have to give that priority.
Just plain "criminals" would do, surely?
Though I also agree that Trump of all people seems to have found the mot juste. Odd that.
Your original post has already attracted sufficient responses to indicate you are fighting a losing battle with this one.
I really hope that May does not use the phrase 'Strong and Stable' in her statement today. Not today.
Anybody reading it will have their understanding of the source of such outrages greatly enhanced. This particular reader was to surprised however to find himself reacting not with less disdain but more towards the perpetrators. They are not a single body, and vary hugely in character and outlook, but you cannot be struck by the prevalence of intolerance, self-indulgence and often downright childishness amongst the culprits.
It is right we should try to understand. Understanding always helps, but it need not imply indulgence.
Btw, I should add that it is not yet known what the religion or background of the culprit was. We are entitled to suspect Islam, on the evidence of similar previous attacks, but for the moment it would be as well not to jump to conclusions.
ffs if praying worked this wouldn't have happened
Maslow's heirarchy of needs proposes that the first priority of people after breathing and eating is security - not social cohesiveness.
No this site is for hard headed thinking about what might happen on Betfair and other places.
@JackW is entitled to his views on the consequences thereof.
@MJW Has expressed well my thoughts on the consequences of this
"On the political effects, I think the main one will be that when the campaigns start up again it will cool temperatures. The Tories and their press allies will be more careful about linking Corbyn to the IRA lest they be accused of crass opportunism. Likewise, the head of steam that was building on the left about May's alleged character flaws will dissipate as even the most partisan recognise the difficulty and importance of reacting well to events like these. It's a lot more difficult to hurl insults when there's more horrific things going on."
Of course the attack is utterly disgusting and carried out by life's losers. But we all know that.
It's almost the best speech she gave. She argued that it couldn't be done by censorship. Indeed, that would be helping to do the bastards' work for them. Read her words.
Yes - but which God should we pray to?
If you're only going to pick a single response then there are plenty of better candidates would carry more legitimacy and relevance.
But it's a trivial niggle on my part and of no significance, so I'll leave it there.
It was very touching. Maybe today we can all be Mancunians.
https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/844588769177206784
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4/1, perhaps?
Sorry. Inappropriate
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