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Today’s YouGov poll for the Sunday Times has LAB lead at 6
Con 33%
Lab 39%
LD 9%
UKIP 12%
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FPT full details:
YouGov details don't seem to have been given here yet: 39/33/9/12, approval 27/59, the worst for a while. A generally grouchy sample - Cameron doing well -22 (down 7), Miliband doing well -31 (down 5), Clegg -52 (down 4),
Quick overview of findings:
The UK economy probably isn't growing (41-34) and certainly not in the respondent's area (55-22). Labour would be marginally better on the cost of living (26-24) but really everyone would be rubbish (37), all the energy ideas are popular, but if people have to choose they prefer the price freeze (39) to reducing green taxes (28) or a windfall tax (23). Green costs should continue but subsidised by "other taxes" instead of an energy levy (39 vs 34 cut the green subsidies and 15 carry on as now). Nobody is trusted to protect energy needs (38 - Con and Lab both 22). Spending money to help nuclear, wind, solar and tidal power all very popular (48/51/60/62). New nuke power station a good idea (49-30), but not with those horrid French and Chinese (28-55) or, contradicting the earlier finding, a Government subsidy (26-49).
The NHS has got worse but personal experience is good.The NHS should keep providing a 7-day service even for minor things, and nobody should be paid more to do it.0 -
Excess tax policies, windfall taxes, populist tripe from a party which has so few frontbenchers, SPADs, candidates who understand the importance of profit or have had work for firms which need profits to generate growth.
Time to run the last person to switch the lights off posters, if Labour gets back in, as a reminder that the lights will be blacked out due to the ill considered policies agreed by Miliband at Copenhagen.
How much power won't be generated by windfarms tonight? Cue for photographs of stumps in the water sans windmill blades.0 -
I'd just like to take a few moments to pay tribute to the 4% of voters polled who spotted that all three policies were ludicrous idiocy designed to appeal to the nation of gullible cretins whose votes the party leaders are unlucky enough to have to pander to and chose "None of the above".0
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Unsuprisingly Miliband's price freeze is popular with Labour and former Lib Dem voters and Cameron's reduction of green taxes is pleasurable to Tories and Ukip voters.
But if the Conservatives force the issue on green taxes it will put a lot of strain on the internal Lib Dem morale and unity. Government approval (according to the weekly YouGov polls) has decreased quite a bit over recent weeks, and this has mostly been driven by current Lib Dem voters.
Changes since 12/13 September (before conferences):
All -9
Con -5
Lab -5
LD -32
Ukip -11
C10 -5
L10 - 4
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@Tim
"That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake"
An opportunist certainly but so are all politicians. Having said that it must be the Labour party's prayer that they cut green taxes.
The opportunities to paint Cameron as the charlatans charlatan would be unprecedented. Every ad agency in London would be queuing up to have a go. The easiest awards they'll ever pick up and these'll make him look like a fake.0 -
Which of the three party leaders do you support the most in their approach to energy bills?
David Cameron (lowest tarriff and cut green taxes in order to reduce bills) - 40%
Ed Miliband (freeze energy bills and reform energy market) - 33%
Nick Clegg (retain green taxes, increase efficiency, and subsidise fuel poverty) - 7%
Don't know - 20%
http://survation.com/2013/10/the-great-uk-energy-debate-survation-take-a-detailed-look-for-the-mail-on-sunday/
I think this makes an interesting companion to the poll information above in the thread header. So ed's approach may not be so popular as implied above.0 -
I guess the upside is that he can ditch whatever he currently stands for for something that polls better without any adverse consequences, since the voters didn't think he believed what he was saying in the first place and their distrust is already in his ratings.tim said:Since becoming Conservative leader in 2005 David Cameron has spoken of his support for "green policies" and said he wants his government to be the greenest ever
Do you think David Cameron's support for environmental issues is because...
He genuinely believes that it is the right thing to do - 23%
He does not believe it is right, but is doing it for political reasons - 61%
That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake0 -
Millsy said:
Unsuprisingly Miliband's price freeze is popular with Labour and former Lib Dem voters and Cameron's reduction of green taxes is pleasurable to Tories and Ukip voters.
But if the Conservatives force the issue on green taxes it will put a lot of strain on the internal Lib Dem morale and unity. Government approval (according to the weekly YouGov polls) has decreased quite a bit over recent weeks, and this has mostly been driven by current Lib Dem voters.
Changes since 12/13 September (before conferences):
All -9
Con -5
Lab -5
LD -32
Ukip -11
C10 -5
L10 - 4
LD10 -10
The LD problem is clear - they want to govern and oppose at the same time - the result is even clearer as shown above.0 -
Sunday Times leader on Falkirk is distasteful but unsurprising.
A corrupt organisation run for the cabal at the top not the peons at the bottom.
And Unite aint much better it seems.0 -
In this case it's the opposite. Everybody knows it's better to tax energy consumption than alternative revenue sources like work. After the election whoever wins will quietly continue putting the taxes up. This is a dispute about electioneering, not governing.felix said:
The LD problem is clear - they want to govern and oppose at the same time - the result is even clearer as shown above.0 -
@fitalass "But what I find most worrying about all the recent scandals surrounding the BBC, is the fact that we now have a taxpayer funded media organisation which seems to have an inbuilt protection which makes it almost untouchable when it comes to being accountable for its actions."
This seems to me the area that should be reformed. Overall the BBC is very good - I think it does get biased from time-to-time, and I think that they have perhaps a wider footprint than they need to - but it's probably the best value for money I personally get in any area of my spending.
The accountability thing is tricky - you can't after all fine the BBC as you'll just finish up paying those fines yourself. Perhaps senior management should have a part of their packages liable to fines - a sort of reverse performance linked bonus.
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Cameron's " conman " gibe against Edward Miliband has resonated because it's true.tim said:Since becoming Conservative leader in 2005 David Cameron has spoken of his support for "green policies" and said he wants his government to be the greenest ever
Do you think David Cameron's support for environmental issues is because...
He genuinely believes that it is the right thing to do - 23%
He does not believe it is right, but is doing it for political reasons - 61%
That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake
Seldom have we seen a faker representative of Labour's core voters than multi-millionaire opportunist EdM.
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Mail summarises what is behind the paywall
"Duped Ed"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477725/Miliband-duped-union-dirty-tricks-vote-rigging-probe.html
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Seems like Ineos have given the ST the emails off their work server.
Seems Ed was duped by an oufit not smart enough to get a gmail account.0 -
EdM would do well true remember Lincoln's wise words ; " You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "tim said:
Outside PB Toryworld the polling supports Miibands policy and overwhelmingly brands Cameron a fakeMonikerDiCanio said:
Cameron's " conman " gibe against Edward Miliband has resonated because it's true.tim said:Since becoming Conservative leader in 2005 David Cameron has spoken of his support for "green policies" and said he wants his government to be the greenest ever
Do you think David Cameron's support for environmental issues is because...
He genuinely believes that it is the right thing to do - 23%
He does not believe it is right, but is doing it for political reasons - 61%
That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake
Seldom have we seen a faker representative of Labour's core voters than multi-millionaire opportunist EdM.
EdM has been rumbled. He's a con and a fake.
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Evidence? Or just one of your hunches?MonikerDiCanio said:
EdM would do well true remember Lincoln's wise words ; " You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "tim said:
Outside PB Toryworld the polling supports Miibands policy and overwhelmingly brands Cameron a fakeMonikerDiCanio said:
Cameron's " conman " gibe against Edward Miliband has resonated because it's true.tim said:Since becoming Conservative leader in 2005 David Cameron has spoken of his support for "green policies" and said he wants his government to be the greenest ever
Do you think David Cameron's support for environmental issues is because...
He genuinely believes that it is the right thing to do - 23%
He does not believe it is right, but is doing it for political reasons - 61%
That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake
Seldom have we seen a faker representative of Labour's core voters than multi-millionaire opportunist EdM.
EdM has been rumbled. He's a con and a fake.
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Presumably the company own the email and so can publish without any legal issues? If so I would expect to be seeing lots of embarrassing stuff for unite and supportive stuff for the company on our screens shortly.TGOHF said:Seems like Ineos have given the ST the emails off their work server.
Seems Ed was duped by an oufit not smart enough to get a gmail account.
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Look a Rangers supporter...nice try but Unite up to their eyeballs in effluent. Downing not waving.0
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@tim
Outside PB Toryworld the polling supports Miibands policy and overwhelmingly brands Cameron a fake
oh dear tim did you miss this from Survation;
Which of the three party leaders do you support the most in their approach to energy bills?
David Cameron (lowest tarriff and cut green taxes in order to reduce bills) - 40%
Ed Miliband (freeze energy bills and reform energy market) - 33%
Nick Clegg (retain green taxes, increase efficiency, and subsidise fuel poverty) - 7%
Don't know - 20%
http://survation.com/2013/10/the-great-uk-energy-debate-survation-take-a-detailed-look-for-the-mail-on-sunday/
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54 % of those polled think that Ed's price freeze won't work. It was in the header for the previous thread.Bobajob said:
Evidence? Or just one of your hunches?MonikerDiCanio said:
EdM would do well true remember Lincoln's wise words ; " You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "tim said:
Outside PB Toryworld the polling supports Miibands policy and overwhelmingly brands Cameron a fakeMonikerDiCanio said:
Cameron's " conman " gibe against Edward Miliband has resonated because it's true.tim said:Since becoming Conservative leader in 2005 David Cameron has spoken of his support for "green policies" and said he wants his government to be the greenest ever
Do you think David Cameron's support for environmental issues is because...
He genuinely believes that it is the right thing to do - 23%
He does not believe it is right, but is doing it for political reasons - 61%
That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake
Seldom have we seen a faker representative of Labour's core voters than multi-millionaire opportunist EdM.
EdM has been rumbled. He's a con and a fake.
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P10 W10 right up you.tim said:
As Ed brought the police in it looks like the cops were duped and Ed was right.TGOHF said:Seems like Ineos have given the ST the emails off their work server.
Seems Ed was duped by an oufit not smart enough to get a gmail account.
In other news I'm sure this won't surprise you
"Two British army soldiers have been photographed standing in front of the Union Flag making Nazi-style salutes.
The pair, dressed in camouflage fatigues, have their right arms raised and hands out straight in the image, published in the Mail on Sunday (MoS).
But their gesture could be an apparent show of solidarity with Northern Irish Loyalists.
The Union Flag is inscribed with the words "Invicta Loyal", the name of a Kent-based Glasgow Rangers supporters club, and below it hangs the flag of Northern Ireland."
As for the police - this is NEW information.
dupEd or rED ?0 -
If you'd bothered to read the whole thread you'd have seen that there was a specific question about Ed being a con man. I'll direct you to those results.MonikerDiCanio said:
54 % of those polled think that Ed's price freeze won't work. It was in the header for the previous thread.Bobajob said:
Evidence? Or just one of your hunches?MonikerDiCanio said:
EdM would do well true remember Lincoln's wise words ; " You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "tim said:
Outside PB Toryworld the polling supports Miibands policy and overwhelmingly brands Cameron a fakeMonikerDiCanio said:
Cameron's " conman " gibe against Edward Miliband has resonated because it's true.tim said:Since becoming Conservative leader in 2005 David Cameron has spoken of his support for "green policies" and said he wants his government to be the greenest ever
Do you think David Cameron's support for environmental issues is because...
He genuinely believes that it is the right thing to do - 23%
He does not believe it is right, but is doing it for political reasons - 61%
That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake
Seldom have we seen a faker representative of Labour's core voters than multi-millionaire opportunist EdM.
EdM has been rumbled. He's a con and a fake.
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But seems dupEd was out of the loop and his "enquiry" missed what was really happening.tim said:
So the local Unite branch are proving Miliband right.dr_spyn said:Look a Rangers supporter...nice try but Unite up to their eyeballs in effluent. Downing not waving.
What a tragedy
No wonder you want to talk about a picture from 2008.0 -
ED MILIBAND is facing a crisis this weekend as a cache of bombshell emails exposes a concerted union plot involving threats, intimidation and dirty tricks to thwart his inquiry into alleged electoral corruption.
Remember folks, Falkirk is great news for Ed...
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That was from the Survation poll where a different form of question was asked.MonikerDiCanio said:
54 % of those polled think that Ed's price freeze won't work. It was in the header for the previous thread.Bobajob said:
Evidence? Or just one of your hunches?MonikerDiCanio said:
EdM would do well true remember Lincoln's wise words ; " You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "tim said:
Outside PB Toryworld the polling supports Miibands policy and overwhelmingly brands Cameron a fakeMonikerDiCanio said:
Cameron's " conman " gibe against Edward Miliband has resonated because it's true.tim said:Since becoming Conservative leader in 2005 David Cameron has spoken of his support for "green policies" and said he wants his government to be the greenest ever
Do you think David Cameron's support for environmental issues is because...
He genuinely believes that it is the right thing to do - 23%
He does not believe it is right, but is doing it for political reasons - 61%
That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake
Seldom have we seen a faker representative of Labour's core voters than multi-millionaire opportunist EdM.
EdM has been rumbled. He's a con and a fake.
The one above seeks to ran people's preferences to the 3 energy policies that are being discussed.
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Which of the three party leaders do you support the most in their approach to energy bills?
David Cameron (lowest tarriff and cut green taxes in order to reduce bills) - 40%
Ed Miliband (freeze energy bills and reform energy market) - 33%
Nick Clegg (retain green taxes, increase efficiency, and subsidise fuel poverty) - 7%
Don't know - 20%
http://survation.com/2013/10/the-great-uk-energy-debate-survation-take-a-detailed-look-for-the-mail-on-sunday/
A nice companion to the thread header methinks. Just for Tim as he keeps missing it despite his love for polling.0 -
What happens if someone supports two of these proposals: price freeze AND profits surcharge ?0
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YouGov polled each option individually for support or oppose, then polled which one you think is the best.surbiton said:What happens if someone supports two of these proposals: price freeze AND profits surcharge ?
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EdM probably shares his father's contempt for the British people and thinks they're easily conned . It's apparent that EdM has also inherited the family trait of being wrong about everything.Bobajob said:
If you'd bothered to read the whole thread you'd have seen that there was a specific question about Ed being a con man. I'll direct you to those results.MonikerDiCanio said:
54 % of those polled think that Ed's price freeze won't work. It was in the header for the previous thread.Bobajob said:
Evidence? Or just one of your hunches?MonikerDiCanio said:
EdM would do well true remember Lincoln's wise words ; " You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "tim said:
Outside PB Toryworld the polling supports Miibands policy and overwhelmingly brands Cameron a fakeMonikerDiCanio said:
Cameron's " conman " gibe against Edward Miliband has resonated because it's true.tim said:Since becoming Conservative leader in 2005 David Cameron has spoken of his support for "green policies" and said he wants his government to be the greenest ever
Do you think David Cameron's support for environmental issues is because...
He genuinely believes that it is the right thing to do - 23%
He does not believe it is right, but is doing it for political reasons - 61%
That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake
Seldom have we seen a faker representative of Labour's core voters than multi-millionaire opportunist EdM.
EdM has been rumbled. He's a con and a fake.
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Remember folks, Falkirk is great news for Ed...Scott_P said:ED MILIBAND is facing a crisis this weekend as a cache of bombshell emails exposes a concerted union plot involving threats, intimidation and dirty tricks to thwart his inquiry into alleged electoral corruption.
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1332704.ece
And of course Ed plans no changes to how much influence Unite has on policy and on choosing the leader.
An end to machine politics - yet Ed couldn't see 90% of the machine.0 -
Wee-Timmy: 2005 was then; 2013 is now. Or do you still swear by "Nae maor boom 'n bust"...?0
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Interesting poll by Newsnet , and funded by crowdfunding.
As readers will know because we always go on about it, we’re not very fussed about straight Yes/No polls this far out from the vote. We want to get right under the Scottish electorate’s skin, so for our second crowd-funded poll (as with the previous one) we asked for their opinion on all sorts of other stuff too.
But the media is boring and only cares about the simple bits. Headlines first, then.
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SHOULD SCOTLAND BE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY?
Yes 35%
No 43%
Undecided 20%
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Just an eight-point gap, which remains unchanged if you only include people who are at least 8/10 likely to vote – the numbers in that scenario move to Y37-N45-DK17. With the white paper still unpublished and 11 months to go, the Yes side needs a mere 4% swing to close the gap completely.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-gnats-chuff/0 -
Dunno what they think / thought but if you look at popular support as polled for proposals like price freezes that I, and probably you, can see are a scam, it's clear that the British people are in fact easy to con.MonikerDiCanio said:
EdM probably shares his father's contempt for the British people and thinks they're easily conned . It's apparent that EdM has also inherited the family trait of being wrong about everything.Bobajob said:
If you'd bothered to read the whole thread you'd have seen that there was a specific question about Ed being a con man. I'll direct you to those results.MonikerDiCanio said:
54 % of those polled think that Ed's price freeze won't work. It was in the header for the previous thread.Bobajob said:
Evidence? Or just one of your hunches?MonikerDiCanio said:
EdM would do well true remember Lincoln's wise words ; " You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "tim said:
Outside PB Toryworld the polling supports Miibands policy and overwhelmingly brands Cameron a fakeMonikerDiCanio said:
Cameron's " conman " gibe against Edward Miliband has resonated because it's true.tim said:Since becoming Conservative leader in 2005 David Cameron has spoken of his support for "green policies" and said he wants his government to be the greenest ever
Do you think David Cameron's support for environmental issues is because...
He genuinely believes that it is the right thing to do - 23%
He does not believe it is right, but is doing it for political reasons - 61%
That's Camerons political problem in a nutshell - he's a fake
Seldom have we seen a faker representative of Labour's core voters than multi-millionaire opportunist EdM.
EdM has been rumbled. He's a con and a fake.
That means at least one thing in your post must be wrong - my guess would be that it's your "Ed Miliband is wrong about everything" theory.0 -
I'm considering subscribing to the Times online.
I feel dirty.0 -
Which of the three party leaders do you support the most in their approach to energy bills?
David Cameron (lowest tarriff and cut green taxes in order to reduce bills) - 40%
Ed Miliband (freeze energy bills and reform energy market) - 33%
Nick Clegg (retain green taxes, increase efficiency, and subsidise fuel poverty) - 7%
Don't know - 20%
http://survation.com/2013/10/the-great-uk-energy-debate-survation-take-a-detailed-look-for-the-mail-on-sunday/
Once more with feeling just for tim:)))))))0 -
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Interesting snippet in the Mail (about the police officer who apparently said something unkind about Theresa May):
The last member of the public to be summoned to the bar was former Sunday Express editor Sir John Junor in January 1957, after he published an article criticising politicians’ petrol allowances. He was rebuked by MPs for failing to ‘establish the truth of the article’ and not being willing to ‘admit its obvious implications’. He apologised and no further action was taken.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477569/MPs-Plebgate-row-officer-trial-Detective-man-50-years-hauled-Commons.html
Wouldn't dare do that to a journalist these days!0 -
Just reading the Grangemouth emails story - 1000+ emails sent from his work account re Labour Party basis?!
Blinking hell - it'd take days to type them if nothing else. What a numpty using his own work email account. If nothing else he deserves the D Hat for that alone.0 -
The numpty that duped Miliband ?Plato said:Just reading the Grangemouth emails story - 1000+ emails sent from his work account re Labour Party basis?!
Blinking hell - it'd take days to type them if nothing else. What a numpty using his own work email account. If nothing else he deserves the D Hat for that alone.0 -
From the Survation details I spotted a couple of interesting (to me, anyway) things.
In response to this question "Ed Miliband has pledged to freeze energy bills by law for the first two years after the next election, whilst he restructures the energy market Which of the following best describes your view of this policy?", the only region that had a majority agreeing it would work was Scotland, in all the other regions less than 40% agreed.
The "con-man" question didn't ask if the respondents 'agree the policy is a con'; it asked "David Cameron has described Ed Miliband’s policy to freeze energy bills as a “con” Would you, or would you not, use this phrase yourself to describe the policy?" - 'would you use the phrase yourself' is a very different question.
The very last question amused me somewhat; the region most strongly against having a wind farm built in their local area was London. I imagine London is the least likely region to have a wind farm built in it.0 -
Can I go back to the Populus polling which Mike says shows large numbers of switchers from LibDem to Labour?
I looked at the recent Populus data and just don't get their figures. For example, their dataset in the latest online poll is a sample of 2,018 respondents. Of these, 571 said they voted Con at the 2010 General Election, 386 said they voted Lab and 378 said they voted LibDem. Populus then weighted these so that the figures became 556, 369 and 390 respectively. That simply cannot be right - a weighting that results in more 2010 LibDems than Lab. At the 2010 election, the actual voting shares were 40%/28%/24% (England) and 36%/29%/23% (UK).
Of the notional 390 who 'voted' LibDem in 2010, Populus say that 89 should now be added to the Lab column. This group would more than account for the headline Lab majority over Con.
Is there something I have missed with the Populus weighting? Or could there be another explanation - such as very large numbers of 'shy' ex-Lab voters who 'misremember' voting LibDem last time - but who in fact actually voted Lab in 2010?
Either way, the Populus figures look odd to me.
Just in case, I looked at the Populus data for November 2008 (i.e. 1.5 years before the 2010 election, equivalent to where we are now). The pattern for 2005 LidDem 'voters' was very different indeed.
I'm not saying has not been a large switch from LibDem to Lab since 2010 - I'm just trying to understand the data that underpins the point.0 -
EdM's political hero is Tony Benn. Len McLuskey was a Militant Tendency sympathiser.tim said:A message to all Labour supporting PB'ers
The next few weeks are going to be dominated by the reputational damage to Ed Miliband from Grangemouth Unite branch, this is PB Tory truth, we may as well give up.
LOL.
Labour is in deep trouble.
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Yet your contribution to the debate was to post a link to a picture of some soldiers from 2008 ?tim said:
March actually.TGOHF said:
I think you mean months - conference not until May...tim said:A message to all Labour supporting PB'ers
The next few weeks are going to be dominated by the reputational damage to Ed Miliband from Grangemouth Unite branch, this is PB Tory truth, we may as well give up.
LOL.
And that will be a tragedy too, oh god the local Unite branch at Grangemouth has undermined Miliband by proving him right to have suspended the branch and calling in the cops, how will he ever cope.
And he's weak weak weak you know, while Dave dances to his tune on Syria,Energy prices and now HS2.
Weak weak weak I tell you.
The PB Tories, if they didn't exist you could never invent them
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It's not a matter of being paid more to do it - that's a really stupid statement. If you are really suggesting that the same workforce should provide 2 extra days of routine service with the same resources and no reduction of service in the other 5 days then you are living in la-la land.NickPalmer said:FPT full details:
YouGov details don't seem to have been given here yet: 39/33/9/12, approval 27/59, the worst for a while. A generally grouchy sample - Cameron doing well -22 (down 7), Miliband doing well -31 (down 5), Clegg -52 (down 4),
Quick overview of findings:
The UK economy probably isn't growing (41-34) and certainly not in the respondent's area (55-22). Labour would be marginally better on the cost of living (26-24) but really everyone would be rubbish (37), all the energy ideas are popular, but if people have to choose they prefer the price freeze (39) to reducing green taxes (28) or a windfall tax (23). Green costs should continue but subsidised by "other taxes" instead of an energy levy (39 vs 34 cut the green subsidies and 15 carry on as now). Nobody is trusted to protect energy needs (38 - Con and Lab both 22). Spending money to help nuclear, wind, solar and tidal power all very popular (48/51/60/62). New nuke power station a good idea (49-30), but not with those horrid French and Chinese (28-55) or, contradicting the earlier finding, a Government subsidy (26-49).
The NHS has got worse but personal experience is good.The NHS should keep providing a 7-day service even for minor things, and nobody should be paid more to do it.0 -
Calm down tim. No 'PB Tory' has claimed that this story is on a par with the earth shattering badgergate, man cries at funeral or East Coast re-privatisation (which seems to have passed with very little comment) scandals. Stories that had the whole nation talking!tim said:A message to all Labour supporting PB'ers
The next few weeks are going to be dominated by the reputational damage to Ed Miliband from Grangemouth Unite branch, this is PB Tory truth, we may as well give up.
LOL.0 -
Although I have not looked at the numbers, I have a feeling that Labour's average YG share may be slightly up on where it was before the party's conference. I could be wrong, but if I am not doesn't that indicate that, in fact, Ed's little wheeze has "produced better voting numbers", at least as far as the YG polling is concerned?0
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The reinstatement of two Labour Party members following allegations of vote-rigging by the Unite union in a parliamentary selection contest in Falkirk forced Ed Miliband to make an embarrassing retreat last night.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-falkirk-row-ed-miliband-retreats-over-allegations-against-unite-union-after-voterigging-claims-withdrawn-8802613.html
Ed capitulating to the unions can only be good for Ed
New evidence showing that Ed should never have capitulated to the unions can only be good for Ed.
PB Kinnocks, well aaalllllrrriiiiiggghhhhhhhtttt!0 -
Is the Unite story getting much coverage on the BBC? I barely watch it or listen any more.
I prefer ITV, Twitter and Sky.0 -
It really is bizarre how many times David Miliband is appearing on the Marr show.
He really is like the boyfriend who has been jilted but keeps appearing on the scene hoping his ex will split from her current boyfriend to get back with him.0 -
@MatthewdAncona: The Leader of the Banned, @JohnRentoul, is a must-read on why the Tories will win in 2015 http://t.co/Bsjhvk8sdv0
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It was getting absolutely no coverage at all on Sky this morning - at least on the version I can see here in Barcelona.Plato said:Is the Unite story getting much coverage on the BBC? I barely watch it or listen any more.
I prefer ITV, Twitter and Sky.
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Outside PB Toryworld the polling supports Miibands policy and overwhelmingly brands Cameron a fakefelix said:
oh dear tim did you miss this from Survation;
Which of the three party leaders do you support the most in their approach to energy bills?
David Cameron (lowest tarriff and cut green taxes in order to reduce bills) - 40%
Ed Miliband (freeze energy bills and reform energy market) - 33%
Nick Clegg (retain green taxes, increase efficiency, and subsidise fuel poverty) - 7%
Don't know - 20%
http://survation.com/2013/10/the-great-uk-energy-debate-survation-take-a-detailed-look-for-the-mail-on-sunday/
You are a fairly new recruit. Another Tea Party Tory !0 -
John Rentoul on why the Tories will win in 2015: Was it DP Hodges who told him or was it Blair when he was licking his a*** ?Scott_P said:@MatthewdAncona: The Leader of the Banned, @JohnRentoul, is a must-read on why the Tories will win in 2015 http://t.co/Bsjhvk8sdv
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Meanwhile Grants Shapps the man with two identities tells the BBC to be transparent.Is this a joke?0
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Unite are still telling Ed to keep quiet and stay in his box
Unite was the subject of entirely unjustified attacks in relation to the Labour parliamentary selection in Falkirk. Both the Labour Party and Police Scotland investigated the issue and found that neither the law nor the Party’s rules were broken by the union. The email exchanges, apparently leaked by an employer for its own purposes, do nothing to change that.
http://labourlist.org/2013/10/falkirk-selection-sunday-times-accuses-unite-of-dirty-tricks-over-leaked-emails/
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Can’t find anything on BBC on-line – this will be another test on their ‘impartiality’ imho. My betting is that they will hold off reporting anything until the serious papers are covering it, then tuck it away on their business page as per usual.Plato said:Is the Unite story getting much coverage on the BBC? I barely watch it or listen any more.
I prefer ITV, Twitter and Sky.0 -
Have you got Fitalass' job for the morning shift ?MonikerDiCanio said:
EdM's political hero is Tony Benn. Len McLuskey was a Militant Tendency sympathiser.tim said:A message to all Labour supporting PB'ers
The next few weeks are going to be dominated by the reputational damage to Ed Miliband from Grangemouth Unite branch, this is PB Tory truth, we may as well give up.
LOL.
Labour is in deep trouble.0 -
Sunday Times has 1,000 emails from Unite re Falkirksurbiton said:
What is this Unite story ?Plato said:Is the Unite story getting much coverage on the BBC? I barely watch it or listen any more.
I prefer ITV, Twitter and Sky.
More than 1,000 emails reveal how Unite chiefs subverted an inquiry ordered by the Labour leader into allegations that the union had rigged votes in Falkirk to get its nominee selected as the party’s parliamentary candidate.
The dossier of emails was passed to police last week. It reveals how Unite chiefs:
■ Told the union’s PR team to dig out “nasty stuff” on key Labour party figures
■ Wrote witnesses’ testimony withdrawing key evidence of alleged wrongdoing, with the new statements approved by the official implicated in the scandal
■ Tracked Labour investigators as they interviewed witnesses in Falkirk and boasted how one witness had told them to “F*** off”
■ Planned to use senior union and Labour figures to intimidate and disrupt Miliband’s investigation team.
In a nutshell, conman Ed duped by UNITE.0 -
It's easy for you in Surbiton. Just keep on voting LibDem , tactically.surbiton said:
Have you got Fitalass' job for the morning shift ?MonikerDiCanio said:
EdM's political hero is Tony Benn. Len McLuskey was a Militant Tendency sympathiser.tim said:A message to all Labour supporting PB'ers
The next few weeks are going to be dominated by the reputational damage to Ed Miliband from Grangemouth Unite branch, this is PB Tory truth, we may as well give up.
LOL.
Labour is in deep trouble.
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No, nothing on Sky that I've seen. But we're not to worry about the storm as it's 'sunny in Yorkshire'.SouthamObserver said:
It was getting absolutely no coverage at all on Sky this morning - at least on the version I can see here in Barcelona.Plato said:Is the Unite story getting much coverage on the BBC? I barely watch it or listen any more.
I prefer ITV, Twitter and Sky.
I'm pretty close to the seafront in Brighton in a pretty exposed position - talking the house here - so maybe I should be more concerned. We go down to the beach for storms when we can, but this could be one to stay in for.0 -
So, Ed was instinctively right after all. It seems the police who were duped !SimonStClare said:
Sunday Times has 1,000 emails from Unite re Falkirksurbiton said:
What is this Unite story ?Plato said:Is the Unite story getting much coverage on the BBC? I barely watch it or listen any more.
I prefer ITV, Twitter and Sky.
More than 1,000 emails reveal how Unite chiefs subverted an inquiry ordered by the Labour leader into allegations that the union had rigged votes in Falkirk to get its nominee selected as the party’s parliamentary candidate.
The dossier of emails was passed to police last week. It reveals how Unite chiefs:
■ Told the union’s PR team to dig out “nasty stuff” on key Labour party figures
■ Wrote witnesses’ testimony withdrawing key evidence of alleged wrongdoing, with the new statements approved by the official implicated in the scandal
■ Tracked Labour investigators as they interviewed witnesses in Falkirk and boasted how one witness had told them to “F*** off”
■ Planned to use senior union and Labour figures to intimidate and disrupt Miliband’s investigation team.
In a nutshell, conman Ed duped by UNITE.0 -
Anyway the BBC licence fee is only due for renewal in 2016 and by that time Grant Shapps or Michael Green or whoever will be back in the opposition benches and can go back to conjuring up magic money or selling insurance or whatever!tim said:
Three identities, he was Sebastian Fox as well.SMukesh said:Meanwhile Grants Shapps the man with two identities tells the BBC to be transparent.Is this a joke?
Four if you count his time as Gus O'Donnell
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/07/gus-odonnell-letter-john-prescott-dclg-criticism-censored/
Five if you count his time as a Lib Dem activist
http://www.libdemvoice.org/grant-shapps-991.html
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I cannot imagine if anyone else's children [ other than Roma ] were taken away and given back 48 hours later with the words "we are sorry" !tim said:@Southam.
Not covered on ITV either.
to be fair they've all got Storm Hysteria since the Gypsies stopped stealing blonde children.
Ian Birrell @ianbirrell
This grim history is no fairy tale - my piece in today's Independent on Sunday on age-old & shameful Roma persecution http://ind.pn/HoSQQ8
I am not sure even if those words were uttered. Pure racism !
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On this logic that Ed was right and Ed was righteous and strong yet wronged - the question is what does Labour do now having been so abused?surbiton said:
So, Ed was instinctively right after all. It seems the police who were duped !SimonStClare said:
Sunday Times has 1,000 emails from Unite re Falkirksurbiton said:
What is this Unite story ?Plato said:Is the Unite story getting much coverage on the BBC? I barely watch it or listen any more.
I prefer ITV, Twitter and Sky.
More than 1,000 emails reveal how Unite chiefs subverted an inquiry ordered by the Labour leader into allegations that the union had rigged votes in Falkirk to get its nominee selected as the party’s parliamentary candidate.
The dossier of emails was passed to police last week. It reveals how Unite chiefs:
■ Told the union’s PR team to dig out “nasty stuff” on key Labour party figures
■ Wrote witnesses’ testimony withdrawing key evidence of alleged wrongdoing, with the new statements approved by the official implicated in the scandal
■ Tracked Labour investigators as they interviewed witnesses in Falkirk and boasted how one witness had told them to “F*** off”
■ Planned to use senior union and Labour figures to intimidate and disrupt Miliband’s investigation team.
In a nutshell, conman Ed duped by UNITE.0 -
If you mean conman Ed was played by UNITE and then caved in when union funding was threatened, then you would be correct.surbiton said:
So, Ed was instinctively right after all. It seems the police who were duped !SimonStClare said:
Sunday Times has 1,000 emails from Unite re Falkirksurbiton said:
What is this Unite story ?Plato said:Is the Unite story getting much coverage on the BBC? I barely watch it or listen any more.
I prefer ITV, Twitter and Sky.
More than 1,000 emails reveal how Unite chiefs subverted an inquiry ordered by the Labour leader into allegations that the union had rigged votes in Falkirk to get its nominee selected as the party’s parliamentary candidate.
The dossier of emails was passed to police last week. It reveals how Unite chiefs:
■ Told the union’s PR team to dig out “nasty stuff” on key Labour party figures
■ Wrote witnesses’ testimony withdrawing key evidence of alleged wrongdoing, with the new statements approved by the official implicated in the scandal
■ Tracked Labour investigators as they interviewed witnesses in Falkirk and boasted how one witness had told them to “F*** off”
■ Planned to use senior union and Labour figures to intimidate and disrupt Miliband’s investigation team.
In a nutshell, conman Ed duped by UNITE.
When will Ed release his report on the investigation – We’re still waiting.
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Seeing the shenanigans these Unions get up to , I think EdM should call a public inquiry into EdM's surprising election to Labour Party leadership.surbiton said:
So, Ed was instinctively right after all. It seems the police who were duped !SimonStClare said:
Sunday Times has 1,000 emails from Unite re Falkirksurbiton said:
What is this Unite story ?Plato said:Is the Unite story getting much coverage on the BBC? I barely watch it or listen any more.
I prefer ITV, Twitter and Sky.
More than 1,000 emails reveal how Unite chiefs subverted an inquiry ordered by the Labour leader into allegations that the union had rigged votes in Falkirk to get its nominee selected as the party’s parliamentary candidate.
The dossier of emails was passed to police last week. It reveals how Unite chiefs:
■ Told the union’s PR team to dig out “nasty stuff” on key Labour party figures
■ Wrote witnesses’ testimony withdrawing key evidence of alleged wrongdoing, with the new statements approved by the official implicated in the scandal
■ Tracked Labour investigators as they interviewed witnesses in Falkirk and boasted how one witness had told them to “F*** off”
■ Planned to use senior union and Labour figures to intimidate and disrupt Miliband’s investigation team.
In a nutshell, conman Ed duped by UNITE.
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All this usual guff on the BBC is missing the point.
It would just be yet another flog-off story, by and to the types who come out worst in the trust surveys.
Whatever the - justifiable - hits taken by the Beeb etc, people trust the alternative less. Plus there's a sense - arguably misguided - of ownership/accountability.
People feel the ground is shifting under them for a variety of reasons, but all boil down to losing power/control over their own circumstances... something they see mirrored at the national level.0 -
1,000 plus e mails on behalf of Labour?Plato said:Just reading the Grangemouth emails story - 1000+ emails sent from his work account re Labour Party basis?!
Blinking hell - it'd take days to type them if nothing else. What a numpty using his own work email account. If nothing else he deserves the D Hat for that alone.
pah, less than 2 weeks work for our tim.0 -
Compare and contrast Cameron and Miliband over Plebgate and Falkirk
One has resulted in police investigation handed to the CPS, HoC select committees and vindication, the other was swept under the carpet to keep the unions happy0 -
The BBC system is illogical but popular. It should therefore be left alone.0
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Antifrank
It is also not worth a drop of political capital from the right wing. It will only send them down the path of the unelectable tea party esque loonism.0 -
@GdnPolitics: Labour urged to reopen Falkirk vote-rigging inquiry http://t.co/1LairpEisS
after Ed swiftly and decisively closed it down.
Will he stand up to Len this time?0 -
A short story by Marf's father is on Radio4extra, only about 5 mins left0
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It is also interesting that while the public prefer buying right-wing newspapers ,they prefer BBC News to ITV news or Skynews massively.There`s a paradox!0
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History repeating itself. In September 1992 Lamont had to clean up another mess left by Major after we were dragged into the ERM by Dear John and it all went horribly wrong. I think those same descriptions of "arbitrary, unpredictable and damaging" could have been applied to that little Majorite initiative as well.tim said:All the big Tory vote winners being wheeled out now
Vincent Moss @vincentmoss 4m
Lord Lamont rubbishes John Major's idea for windfall tax on energy firms as "arbitrary, unpredictable and damaging". #Murnaghan
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PoliticsHome@politicshome1m
Energy UK’s Angela Knight tells #murnaghan “price freezes give completely the wrong results - they have never worked and never will"
If you are in an industry - don't ever recruit Angela Knight to represent you it seems - formerly head of the British Bankers Association from April 2007 until April 2012 and since then head of Energy UK....
where next for her then.... Unite spokeswoman?0 -
Both right-wing newspapers and the BBC are relying upon reputations made many decades ago which are no longer justified. The public is extraordinarily slow to switch allegiance when it comes to long standing national institutions.SMukesh said:It is also interesting that while the public prefer buying right-wing newspapers ,they prefer BBC News to ITV news or Skynews massively.There`s a paradox!
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There's no Adverts not paradox.SMukesh said:It is also interesting that while the public prefer buying right-wing newspapers ,they prefer BBC News to ITV news or Skynews massively.There`s a paradox!
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Do you EVER post anything here that isn't about Tim in some way or other ?Floater said:
1,000 plus e mails on behalf of Labour?Plato said:Just reading the Grangemouth emails story - 1000+ emails sent from his work account re Labour Party basis?!
Blinking hell - it'd take days to type them if nothing else. What a numpty using his own work email account. If nothing else he deserves the D Hat for that alone.
pah, less than 2 weeks work for our tim.0 -
Are there any TV channels that allow you to pay more for no adverts? It's pretty common with websites. I'd happily pay to watch specific progs with no ad breaks. Of course TVR boxes have eliminated lots of ads if you're prepared to wait a little time to view as it is.Scrapheap_as_was said:
There's no Adverts not paradox.SMukesh said:It is also interesting that while the public prefer buying right-wing newspapers ,they prefer BBC News to ITV news or Skynews massively.There`s a paradox!
Most of those I talk with outside the UK use time-shifting to record their fav shows without them. Surely it can't be long before this really is the norm here as well?0 -
Do you ever criticize Tim for posting links to tweets?HortenceWithering said:
Do you EVER post anything here that isn't about Tim in some way or other ?Floater said:
1,000 plus e mails on behalf of Labour?Plato said:Just reading the Grangemouth emails story - 1000+ emails sent from his work account re Labour Party basis?!
Blinking hell - it'd take days to type them if nothing else. What a numpty using his own work email account. If nothing else he deserves the D Hat for that alone.
pah, less than 2 weeks work for our tim.
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Compare and contrast Milibands behaviour with Camerons over the Plebgate affair.
One called the police in, the other sat on the evidence and deliberately did not inform the police.
Tim, R4 ran a protracted interview with Mitchell's daughter, Hannah this morning. Gist of it was that he was unable to defend himself properly because No. 10 made him rewrite his press release. It's pretty clear that he knew he had been stitched up by the Police and holds Cameron responsible for the faqct that he was forced to resign.0 -
What's It called when people can't foster because they support UKIP?surbiton said:
I cannot imagine if anyone else's children [ other than Roma ] were taken away and given back 48 hours later with the words "we are sorry" !tim said:@Southam.
Not covered on ITV either.
to be fair they've all got Storm Hysteria since the Gypsies stopped stealing blonde children.
Ian Birrell @ianbirrell
This grim history is no fairy tale - my piece in today's Independent on Sunday on age-old & shameful Roma persecution http://ind.pn/HoSQQ8
I am not sure even if those words were uttered. Pure racism !
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I still like the lad despite his reliance on a now vastly enriched adviser - come home Gareth!!
Forget Barcelona, you could have Hull today!!! He won't be applauded just for walking up to take a corner as we used to....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/sportvideo/footballvideo/10404073/Today-on-YouTube-Gareth-Bale-is-depicted-as-Forrest-Gump-by-Catalan-press-ahead-of-El-Classico.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/la-liga/10406535/Barcelona-2-Real-Madrid-1-match-report.html0 -
This Angela Knight who disapproves of Ed Miliband's proposal is the same Angela Knight who was the Conservative Member of Parliament for Erewash from 1992 - 1997. Funny that.Scrapheap_as_was said:PoliticsHome@politicshome1m
Energy UK’s Angela Knight tells #murnaghan “price freezes give completely the wrong results - they have never worked and never will"
If you are in an industry - don't ever recruit Angela Knight to represent you it seems - formerly head of the British Bankers Association from April 2007 until April 2012 and since then head of Energy UK....
where next for her then.... Unite spokeswoman?0 -
Children being snatched from their parents, or taken into care, to put it in less emotive terms is commonplace but normally for better reasons than the scientifically illiterate belief that dark-haired parents cannot have blonde daughters; and in this country we had satanic abuse scares and "reflex anal dilation" hysteria in the 1980s and 90s.surbiton said:
I cannot imagine if anyone else's children [ other than Roma ] were taken away and given back 48 hours later with the words "we are sorry" !tim said:@Southam.
Not covered on ITV either.
to be fair they've all got Storm Hysteria since the Gypsies stopped stealing blonde children.
Ian Birrell @ianbirrell
This grim history is no fairy tale - my piece in today's Independent on Sunday on age-old & shameful Roma persecution http://ind.pn/HoSQQ8
I am not sure even if those words were uttered. Pure racism !
Hysteria and ignorance, certainly, but not necessarily racism.0 -
What do you make of the fact that not only did THFC lose Bale, the transfer also enabled Ozil's move to Arsenal. Wonderful example of good disinterested neighbourly beghaviour, I'd say.Scrapheap_as_was said:I still like the lad despite his reliance on a now vastly enriched adviser - come home Gareth!!
Forget Barcelona, you could have Hull today!!! He won't be applauded just for walking up to take a corner as we used to....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/sportvideo/footballvideo/10404073/Today-on-YouTube-Gareth-Bale-is-depicted-as-Forrest-Gump-by-Catalan-press-ahead-of-El-Classico.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/la-liga/10406535/Barcelona-2-Real-Madrid-1-match-report.html0 -
You don't say..... thanks for that.HortenceWithering said:
This Angela Knight who disapproves of Ed Miliband's proposal is the same Angela Knight who was the Conservative Member of Parliament for Erewash from 1992 - 1997. Funny that.Scrapheap_as_was said:PoliticsHome@politicshome1m
Energy UK’s Angela Knight tells #murnaghan “price freezes give completely the wrong results - they have never worked and never will"
If you are in an industry - don't ever recruit Angela Knight to represent you it seems - formerly head of the British Bankers Association from April 2007 until April 2012 and since then head of Energy UK....
where next for her then.... Unite spokeswoman?0 -
Are you implying that a different spokesman for the energy industry, who hadn't been a Tory MP, would approve of Miliband's proposal? Or, if you're not, what point are you making?HortenceWithering said:
This Angela Knight who disapproves of Ed Miliband's proposal is the same Angela Knight who was the Conservative Member of Parliament for Erewash from 1992 - 1997. Funny that.Scrapheap_as_was said:PoliticsHome@politicshome1m
Energy UK’s Angela Knight tells #murnaghan “price freezes give completely the wrong results - they have never worked and never will"
If you are in an industry - don't ever recruit Angela Knight to represent you it seems - formerly head of the British Bankers Association from April 2007 until April 2012 and since then head of Energy UK....
where next for her then.... Unite spokeswoman?0
