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I sympathise, I voted Labour in the 2003 locals to try and topple IDS.Freggles said:As a committed lefty, my duty is surely to vote Conservative and Liberal Democrat in the Tees Valley election.
The fact that the Tory candidate was a bellend also helped my decision.0 -
To be fair to the judge, the guy claimed he was being considered by Leicestershire, who aren’t the best equipped, player-wise, of counties these days. So HH MIGHT have thought there could be some truth in it.TOPPING said:
Judges have probably come to the learned conclusion that truth is inevitably stranger than fiction...FrancisUrquhart said:
Well this was a very very specific and should have your bullshit meter going off. It took me 5 seconds to check...and also this started by my question of why isn't the judge asking for any communications between the defendant and the club to be presented to him.TOPPING said:
IANAJ but surely the judiciary can't spend time on Google for each case to find out things that they could reasonably expect one side or the other to present in court?FrancisUrquhart said:
An amateur which a simple google search would show has played a total of one match at "professional" level in Pakistan in his whole career.DecrepitJohnL said:
An odd thing about the job offer is that no-one raised an eyebrow about a 34-year-old amateur suddenly being offered a county contract. 24 maybe.Alistair said:
Avoid jail as it would affect employment is a reasonably common thing I thought.Pulpstar said:
I'm reasonably confident Judge Richard Mansell's leniency is not to be found anywhere in the sentencing guidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:Wife beater spared jail because he 'would lose cricket contract' faces sentence review after club said claim was false
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/wife-beater-spared-jail-would-losecricket-contract-faces-sentence/
He needs to be thoroughly investigated, at the very least.
Wasn't here a case of a city banker avoiding jail recently after glassing someone as he plead loss of employment?
As a youth, I played high level UK amateur cricket in the UK and every team had an overseas pro, all of which either had proven track records at county / international level or they were on the way up and had played things like U19 international cricket.
Several of the overseas players I played against got snapped up by county teams. However none were 34 year old you nobodies.
If there were claims that a 70 year old reality tv star with no political experience was going to run for president...oh wait, shit thats ruined my argument.0 -
In your case, sounds of the 1860s? I trust the noble Lord is well enough at present?JackW said:I know the feeling ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-39500773
The Labour party too .... just ....0 -
They could require evidence though? If there was an offer of a job, shouldn't there be a letter confirming that that? Or his copy of the contract, for example?TOPPING said:
IANAJ but surely the judiciary can't spend time on Google for each case to find out things that they could reasonably expect one side or the other to present in court?FrancisUrquhart said:
An amateur which a simple google search would show has played a total of one match at "professional" level in Pakistan in his whole career.DecrepitJohnL said:
An odd thing about the job offer is that no-one raised an eyebrow about a 34-year-old amateur suddenly being offered a county contract. 24 maybe.Alistair said:
Avoid jail as it would affect employment is a reasonably common thing I thought.Pulpstar said:
I'm reasonably confident Judge Richard Mansell's leniency is not to be found anywhere in the sentencing guidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:Wife beater spared jail because he 'would lose cricket contract' faces sentence review after club said claim was false
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/wife-beater-spared-jail-would-losecricket-contract-faces-sentence/
He needs to be thoroughly investigated, at the very least.
Wasn't here a case of a city banker avoiding jail recently after glassing someone as he plead loss of employment?
As a youth, I played high level UK amateur cricket in the UK and every team had an overseas pro, all of which either had proven track records at county / international level or they were on the way up and had played things like U19 international cricket.
Several of the overseas players I played against got snapped up by county teams. However none were 34 year old you nobodies.0 -
I think the Cons could regain Oxfordshire by picking up 6 Lab wards (4 in Banbury, 1 in Didcot, 1 in Witney), while losing a couple to the LDs (Charlbury, Abingdon N). Con to UKIP switchers were heavily responsible for Lab gaining these wards in the first place.El_Capitano said:Oxfordshire.
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It looks like UKIP are doing far worse than expected in terms of nominating candidates all over the country for the local elections (not just in Oxfordshire). The Tories are probably going to pick up a lot of seats almost by default. The predicted Conservative national equivalent share of 31% is starting to look a bit on the low side IMO.0
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Thats a bit like saying Southampton are considering signing an unknown African striker whose only previous confirmed appearances at any level of football was a single run out for Blyth Spartans....OldKingCole said:
To be fair to the judge, the guy claimed he was being considered by Leicestershire, who aren’t the best equipped, player-wise, of counties these days. So HH MIGHT have thought there could be some truth in it.TOPPING said:
Judges have probably come to the learned conclusion that truth is inevitably stranger than fiction...FrancisUrquhart said:
Well this was a very very specific and should have your bullshit meter going off. It took me 5 seconds to check...and also this started by my question of why isn't the judge asking for any communications between the defendant and the club to be presented to him.TOPPING said:
IANAJ but surely the judiciary can't spend time on Google for each case to find out things that they could reasonably expect one side or the other to present in court?FrancisUrquhart said:
An amateur which a simple google search would show has played a total of one match at "professional" level in Pakistan in his whole career.DecrepitJohnL said:
An odd thing about the job offer is that no-one raised an eyebrow about a 34-year-old amateur suddenly being offered a county contract. 24 maybe.Alistair said:
Avoid jail as it would affect employment is a reasonably common thing I thought.Pulpstar said:
I'm reasonably confident Judge Richard Mansell's leniency is not to be found anywhere in the sentencing guidelines.FrancisUrquhart said:Wife beater spared jail because he 'would lose cricket contract' faces sentence review after club said claim was false
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/wife-beater-spared-jail-would-losecricket-contract-faces-sentence/
He needs to be thoroughly investigated, at the very least.
Wasn't here a case of a city banker avoiding jail recently after glassing someone as he plead loss of employment?
As a youth, I played high level UK amateur cricket in the UK and every team had an overseas pro, all of which either had proven track records at county / international level or they were on the way up and had played things like U19 international cricket.
Several of the overseas players I played against got snapped up by county teams. However none were 34 year old you nobodies.
If there were claims that a 70 year old reality tv star with no political experience was going to run for president...oh wait, shit thats ruined my argument.
Oh shit I have done it again...I am not good at probably these analogies.0 -
I'm enjoying a revival as I enter early middle age .....Tissue_Price said:
In your case, sounds of the 1860s? I trust the noble Lord is well enough at present?JackW said:I know the feeling ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-39500773
The Labour party too .... just ....
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If Livingstone genuinely feels he has been misrepresented in relation to his comments of a year ago , why has he not threatened to sue?0
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AndyJS said:
It looks like UKIP are doing far worse than expected in terms of nominating candidates all over the country for the local elections (not just in Oxfordshire). The Tories are probably going to pick up a lot of seats almost by default. The predicted Conservative national equivalent share of 31% is starting to look a bit on the low side IMO.
Do you have a sense of how many seats they are contesting (and what fraction that is of the number up for grabs)?0 -
Not yet, a lot of councils are still to publish their nominations.RobD said:AndyJS said:It looks like UKIP are doing far worse than expected in terms of nominating candidates all over the country for the local elections (not just in Oxfordshire). The Tories are probably going to pick up a lot of seats almost by default. The predicted Conservative national equivalent share of 31% is starting to look a bit on the low side IMO.
Do you have a sense of how many seats they are contesting (and what fraction that is of the number up for grabs)?0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
TBH that’s not too bad. Clubs in the Oldham are are probably better than average. You’d be better replacing Southampton with Ipswich Town, though.OldKingCole said:
Thats a bit like saying Southampton are considering signing an unknown African striker whose only previous confirmed appearances at any level of football was a single run out for Blyth Spartans....TOPPING said:
To be fair to the judge, the guy claimed he was being considered by Leicestershire, who aren’t the best equipped, player-wise, of counties these days. So HH MIGHT have thought there could be some truth in it.FrancisUrquhart said:
Judges have probably come to the learned conclusion that truth is inevitably stranger than fiction...TOPPING said:
Well this was a very very specific and should have your bullshit meter going off. It took me 5 seconds to check...and also this started by my question of why isn't the judge asking for any communications between the defendant and the club to be presented to him.FrancisUrquhart said:
IANAJ but surely the judiciary can't spend time on Google for each case to find out things that they could reasonably expect one side or the other to present in court?DecrepitJohnL said:
An amateur which a simple google search would show has played a total of one match at "professional" level in Pakistan in his whole career.Alistair said:
An odd thing about the job offer is that no-one raised an eyebrow about a 34-year-old amateur suddenly being offered a county contract. 24 maybe.Pulpstar said:FrancisUrquhart said:Wife beater spared jail because he 'would lose cricket contract' faces sentence review after club said claim was false
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/wife-beater-spared-jail-would-losecricket-contract-faces-sentence/
As a youth, I played high level UK amateur cricket in the UK and every team had an overseas pro, all of which either had proven track records at county / international level or they were on the way up and had played things like U19 international cricket.
Several of the overseas players I played against got snapped up by county teams. However none were 34 year old you nobodies.
If there were claims that a 70 year old reality tv star with no political experience was going to run for president...oh wait, shit thats ruined my argument.
Oh shit I have done it again...I am not good at probably these analogies.0 -
13th April deadlineAndyJS said:
Not yet, a lot of councils are still to publish their nominations.RobD said:AndyJS said:It looks like UKIP are doing far worse than expected in terms of nominating candidates all over the country for the local elections (not just in Oxfordshire). The Tories are probably going to pick up a lot of seats almost by default. The predicted Conservative national equivalent share of 31% is starting to look a bit on the low side IMO.
Do you have a sense of how many seats they are contesting (and what fraction that is of the number up for grabs)?0 -
Ah OK, UKIP could be a bit on the slow side?Pulpstar said:
13th April deadlineAndyJS said:
Not yet, a lot of councils are still to publish their nominations.RobD said:AndyJS said:It looks like UKIP are doing far worse than expected in terms of nominating candidates all over the country for the local elections (not just in Oxfordshire). The Tories are probably going to pick up a lot of seats almost by default. The predicted Conservative national equivalent share of 31% is starting to look a bit on the low side IMO.
Do you have a sense of how many seats they are contesting (and what fraction that is of the number up for grabs)?0 -
On Topic.
The chart above strikes me as a waste of Mikes enormous brain, especially without saying when these most "recent" elections took place. It could presumably be anything between one & four years ago - not just useless but actually misleading.
I would expect The Libdems to do at least 8% better than 2016, for example. UKIP will tank everywhere.
Basically, we dont know.0 -
They've managed to put candidates up in each ward near me. These thing are done very much on a local level (At least for the LDs they are), mind.RobD said:
Ah OK, UKIP could be a bit on the slow side?Pulpstar said:
13th April deadlineAndyJS said:
Not yet, a lot of councils are still to publish their nominations.RobD said:AndyJS said:It looks like UKIP are doing far worse than expected in terms of nominating candidates all over the country for the local elections (not just in Oxfordshire). The Tories are probably going to pick up a lot of seats almost by default. The predicted Conservative national equivalent share of 31% is starting to look a bit on the low side IMO.
Do you have a sense of how many seats they are contesting (and what fraction that is of the number up for grabs)?0 -
That was always an absurdly low prediction.AndyJS said:It looks like UKIP are doing far worse than expected in terms of nominating candidates all over the country for the local elections (not just in Oxfordshire). The Tories are probably going to pick up a lot of seats almost by default. The predicted Conservative national equivalent share of 31% is starting to look a bit on the low side IMO.
R&T (it was them, I think?) look to me to have been dazzled by the Lib Dems' ability to fight by-elections. The organisation and resources needed for widespread elections are quite different, though they could use similar techniques to target specific wards. My own guess would be a LD NEV of 16%.0 -
Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).0
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This Fake News thing really is a problem...
The BBC reported earlier today that veteran BBC broadcaster Brian Matthew had died aged 88.
However, the broadcaster has now been forced to put out a correction after it was found that the presenter, who hosted Sounds of the 60s on BBC Radio 2, was not in fact dead.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/bbc-radio-presenter-brian-matthew-dies-aged-88/0 -
Haven't seen much discussion of who the people making the decision on Ken are.FrancisUrquhart said:Ken tells Guido that no one from Corbyn’s office has been in touch today and says “Maybe Shami hasn’t read what I’ve actually said and has just been reading these dishonest tweets”. He says a new investigation would not change last night’s legal outcome. Ken only mentioned Hitler once in our two minute phone call.
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Guido has just broken the news of Corbyn’s statement over the phone to Ken. His response to the news that Jez has referred him to the NEC:
“That’ll be interesting. It doesn’t matter at the end of the day because we are subject to British law. You’re not going to get a British judge to rule against me for telling the truth. It may be that they have been following all the tweets accusing me of being anti-Semitic, I’ll find out when I speak to Jeremy.”
https://order-order.com/2017/04/05/shami-throws-ken-bus/
What a clusterf##k...no that isn't a strong enough word.
Does anyone know?0 -
I saw this in my NEST pension scheme, and thought of you Jack!:JackW said:
I'm enjoying a revival as I enter early middle age .....Tissue_Price said:
In your case, sounds of the 1860s? I trust the noble Lord is well enough at present?JackW said:I know the feeling ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-39500773
The Labour party too .... just ....
Your current NEST retirement date is *30 **** 2044
When your age will be 94 years and 364 days0 -
This cannot come as a surprise. It may be different in other parts of the country but in the SE UKIP had one purpose and that has now been achieved.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
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Checked the nominations for Essex and it looks like the Kippers have candidates in about 66% of wards. LibDems are fighting all but one ...... ironically one which, back when I was involved with these things there, they won ..... and Greens most. The Kippers also used, IIRC, to have an alliance with the Canvey Island Independence Party, but that seems to have broken down.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
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The Hertsmere bit of Herts seems to have a good number of UKIP candidates.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
Not that I'm expecting them to achieve much more than single digit spoiler status.
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4m GE votes up for grabs...it is the key to the next election.HurstLlama said:
This cannot come as a surprise. It may be different in other parts of the country but in the SE UKIP had one purpose and that has now been achieved.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
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I see we have an hour panorama special this evening on CUTTTTTSSSSSSSSSS...has been a while seen the BBC banged on about evil Tory cuts. Back to Wigan Pier and all that.0
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I wonder if they’ll just go back to ‘non-voting’?DavidL said:
4m GE votes up for grabs...it is the key to the next election.HurstLlama said:
This cannot come as a surprise. It may be different in other parts of the country but in the SE UKIP had one purpose and that has now been achieved.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
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I think ukip should only stand in Eurosceptic (as defined by Brexit vote) seats against Remain MPsDavidL said:
4m GE votes up for grabs...it is the key to the next election.HurstLlama said:
This cannot come as a surprise. It may be different in other parts of the country but in the SE UKIP had one purpose and that has now been achieved.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
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No kipper standing against me in Hersham Division for Surrey for the first time in several years, though they are contesting six of the nine Elmbridge seats.0
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Want me to come campaign for you ?JohnO said:No kipper standing against me in Hersham Division for Surrey for the first time in several years, though they are contesting six of the nine Elmbridge seats.
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Why no Sheffield City region mayoral election by the way ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Want me to come campaign for you ?JohnO said:No kipper standing against me in Hersham Division for Surrey for the first time in several years, though they are contesting six of the nine Elmbridge seats.
I was looking forward to giving you my 2nd pref.0 -
Yes, RA chap (who beat me last year though the boundaries are different for County). Lab, LibDem and Greens also standing.Pulpstar said:
Any threats ?JohnO said:No kipper standing against me in Hersham Division for Surrey for the first time in several years, though they are contesting six of the nine Elmbridge seats.
Lib Dems or Residents Association ?0 -
RED SHOES A MUST - they'll love you in Whiteley Village. You and JackW can pair off for a canvassing extravaganza.TheScreamingEagles said:
Want me to come campaign for you ?JohnO said:No kipper standing against me in Hersham Division for Surrey for the first time in several years, though they are contesting six of the nine Elmbridge seats.
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Too dangerous. It would give them secessionist ideas.Pulpstar said:
Why no Sheffield City region mayoral election by the way ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Want me to come campaign for you ?JohnO said:No kipper standing against me in Hersham Division for Surrey for the first time in several years, though they are contesting six of the nine Elmbridge seats.
I was looking forward to giving you my 2nd pref.0 -
Some undoubtedly will but if 2m go to the Tories they won't be missing the odd metrosexual that Cameron and Osborne converted. Given the way the party is going, its lack of finance, its appalling leadership and its served purpose I will be astonished if they even stand in half the seats next time out.OldKingCole said:
I wonder if they’ll just go back to ‘non-voting’?DavidL said:
4m GE votes up for grabs...it is the key to the next election.HurstLlama said:
This cannot come as a surprise. It may be different in other parts of the country but in the SE UKIP had one purpose and that has now been achieved.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
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Had a quick look at Cornwall. I think only the LDs are running a full slate of candidates. The Conservatives are swerving Camelford and at least one of the Bodmin wards (perhaps in favour of pro-Conservative Independents).AndyJS said:Not yet, a lot of councils are still to publish their nominations.
I think there are fewer UKIP candidates in Cornwall than in 2013 but I'll rely on your wisdom.
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Seems a tad early to me ....Icarus said:
I saw this in my NEST pension scheme, and thought of you Jack!:JackW said:
I'm enjoying a revival as I enter early middle age .....Tissue_Price said:
In your case, sounds of the 1860s? I trust the noble Lord is well enough at present?JackW said:I know the feeling ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-39500773
The Labour party too .... just ....
Your current NEST retirement date is *30 **** 2044
When your age will be 94 years and 364 days0 -
What is the Never Ending story? Livingstone I presume.
Labour launches fresh probe into Ken Livingstone Hitler remarks
http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-labour-to-review-ken-livingstones-grossly-insensitive-remarks-10826175
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FWIW I think that point has been reached at the non-member supporters level - the embittered band of SLAB careerists all expecting to be in WM won't wake up until they drop below 10% !!malcolmg said:0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
The nation eagerly awaits the glorious triumph of Chairman Corbyn!0 -
Apparently Chesterfield residents weren't fully consulted so the election has been delayed.Pulpstar said:
Why no Sheffield City region mayoral election by the way ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Want me to come campaign for you ?JohnO said:No kipper standing against me in Hersham Division for Surrey for the first time in several years, though they are contesting six of the nine Elmbridge seats.
I was looking forward to giving you my 2nd pref.0 -
What concilliatory, judicious & consultative actions by the UK government with regard to Brexit & Scotland have the SNP heartlessly ignored just so they can carry on complaining?RobD said:
No matter what the UK government does, the SNP will find something to complain about!williamglenn said:A prominent Scottish Labour voice: "If the UK does not show flexibility then the UK will not exist any longer."
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It's a good idea; you should mention it to whoever is in charge of the party.isam said:
I think ukip should only stand in Eurosceptic (as defined by Brexit vote) seats against Remain MPsDavidL said:
4m GE votes up for grabs...it is the key to the next election.HurstLlama said:
This cannot come as a surprise. It may be different in other parts of the country but in the SE UKIP had one purpose and that has now been achieved.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
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We can but hope the 1997 election will be shown perhaps on Good Friday. I'm sure that's a repeat most on here won't want to miss.marke09 said:reminder that BBC Parliament are showing the 1992 General Election results programme this Saturday from 9am
Whatever happened to the "dodgy dozen" ?
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I fear Mrs JackW might conclude I had a mistress (apart from PB) if I spent the day with a sequined and bejeweled individual shod in red.JohnO said:
RED SHOES A MUST - they'll love you in Whiteley Village. You and JackW can pair off for a canvassing extravaganza.TheScreamingEagles said:
Want me to come campaign for you ?JohnO said:No kipper standing against me in Hersham Division for Surrey for the first time in several years, though they are contesting six of the nine Elmbridge seats.
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https://www.ft.com/content/5fef7796-1914-11e7-a53d-df09f373be87
I quote from the article a very small piece to avoid (legal) trouble.
"an absurd amount of Commonwealth nostalgia"0 -
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Sorry. ErrorTheuniondivvie said:
What concilliatory, judicious & consultative actions by the UK government with regard to Brexit & Scotland have the SNP heartlessly ignored just so they can carry on complaining?RobD said:
No matter what the UK government does, the SNP will find something to complain about!williamglenn said:A prominent Scottish Labour voice: "If the UK does not show flexibility then the UK will not exist any longer."
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To be fair I have probably copied it from Arron Banks.TOPPING said:
It's a good idea; you should mention it to whoever is in charge of the party.isam said:
I think ukip should only stand in Eurosceptic (as defined by Brexit vote) seats against Remain MPsDavidL said:
4m GE votes up for grabs...it is the key to the next election.HurstLlama said:
This cannot come as a surprise. It may be different in other parts of the country but in the SE UKIP had one purpose and that has now been achieved.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
It makes sense though. No money, not enough good candidates. Rather than being all things to all people they should just be themselves where it will go down well, without compromise. Why stand in Brighton, Hackney, etc as some kind of ukip lite?0 -
Assuming you can find someone.TOPPING said:
It's a good idea; you should mention it to whoever is in charge of the party.isam said:
I think ukip should only stand in Eurosceptic (as defined by Brexit vote) seats against Remain MPsDavidL said:
4m GE votes up for grabs...it is the key to the next election.HurstLlama said:
This cannot come as a surprise. It may be different in other parts of the country but in the SE UKIP had one purpose and that has now been achieved.Richard_Nabavi said:Very interesting comment by @El_Capitano about UKIP failing to stand candidates in many wards in Oxfordshire. I've just checked here in East Sussex and it's the same story. They've largely disappeared from the Hasting areas, and from much of Wealden. This includes some wards they actually won last time, and many wards where they were on vote shares of 20% to 30%. Overall, they have disappeared from something like three quarters of the wards (last time they have a complete slate apart from one ward where they screwed up the nomination).
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I believe 1997 is scheduled for May 1st.stodge said:
We can but hope the 1997 election will be shown perhaps on Good Friday. I'm sure that's a repeat most on here won't want to miss.marke09 said:reminder that BBC Parliament are showing the 1992 General Election results programme this Saturday from 9am
Whatever happened to the "dodgy dozen" ?0 -
A new spin on an old drinking game...by the end of the interview...hiiiick...Scott_P said:0 -
Mr. Isam, could be a special new problem for Labour if they did that. Labour constituencies were mostly Leave, Labour MPs mostly Remain, aren't/weren't they?0
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There are people who conflate all criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews, this is true. It is, however, at the least matched if not exceeded by those who pretend that all those condemning criticism of Jews are also trying to prevent criticism of Israel.Roger said:
It is the aim and objective of all Zionist groups and more recently most Jewish groups to conflate criticism of Israel with anti semitism. It is thus almost impossible to discuss anything to do with Israel-including their deliberate scuppering of any possibility of a Palestinian State by building the first settlement on the West Bank for 26 years-without being tarred a racist.Cyclefree said:
Roger: why do find it so difficult to condemn anti-Semitism here? It is possible to be against anti-Semitism and the attacks on Jews here in Europe and also critical of the current policies of the Israeli government without descending into Holocaust historical revisionism and Jew-baiting. But it is something which seems to be beyond Livingstone and many of his and Corbyn's friends and allies. You are not a stupid man. Does it not ever occur to you that the reason it may be beyond them is because their intent is not to make a reasoned critique of a particular Israeli government and its policies but something more malicious and sinister?Roger said:
.SouthamObserver said:Well, I have left the Labour party. I can't share it with Livingstone and his Jew-baiting apologists. I have joined the Jewish Labour Movement instead to show some solidarity at a really shitty time for Jews on the left (and others too, I imagine).
Before following the knee jerk reactions of those reacting to the stupid (and possibly anti semitic) rantings of an old time lefty I'd read more about it.
Even allowing people as clumsy as Ken to be crucified just cowers everyone else into submission and means support for the Palestinians is painted as anti semitism which is the clear objective of the Israeli government
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@jonwalker121: Ken is speaking to LBC about Hitler right now and complaining that journalists are turning up at his home as he does it0
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https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/849640641726382080FrancisUrquhart said:
A new spin on an old drinking game...by the end of the interview...hiiiick...Scott_P said:0 -
The dock for Livingstone I presume0
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Who's paying for these endless investigations into Ken?0
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I don't have any more wisdom than anyone else on this subject, it's just a case of looking at the council webpages to see who's standing.stodge said:
Had a quick look at Cornwall. I think only the LDs are running a full slate of candidates. The Conservatives are swerving Camelford and at least one of the Bodmin wards (perhaps in favour of pro-Conservative Independents).AndyJS said:Not yet, a lot of councils are still to publish their nominations.
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@PolhomeEditor: Ken Livingstone: "I only mention Hitler when I'm asked a question about him."
@GuidoFawkes: Ken "Hitler" Count: 12
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Hiiiiick....Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/849640641726382080FrancisUrquhart said:
A new spin on an old drinking game...by the end of the interview...hiiiick...Scott_P said:0 -
@rowenamason: Ken Livingstone repeats claim that antisemitism row was whipped up to cause trouble for Corbyn -doesnt believe Jewish members leaving Labour0
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The question is whether there will be a tipping point when wider the Scottish political class begins to see it as inevitable. It's quite plausible to imagine a scenario in which the next referendum is almost a formality.calum said:0 -
In Wiltshire back of a fag packet figures looks like UKIP are standing in fewer than 10 of 98 seats after standing in 54 last time, where they were the only opposition in many seats.stodge said:
Had a quick look at Cornwall. I think only the LDs are running a full slate of candidates. The Conservatives are swerving Camelford and at least one of the Bodmin wards (perhaps in favour of pro-Conservative Independents).AndyJS said:Not yet, a lot of councils are still to publish their nominations.
I think there are fewer UKIP candidates in Cornwall than in 2013 but I'll rely on your wisdom.
In fairness they only won 1 last time anyway.
Greens increasing candidates four or five fold, and Labour increasing numbers as well.
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@GuidoFawkes: Biit of a stewards inquiry about a mumbled "Hitler", the official count adjudication is that Ken said 12 "Hitlers" in 15 minutes.0
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It probably is, there's just a lot haggling over when.williamglenn said:
The question is whether there will be a tipping point when wider the Scottish political class begins to see it as inevitable. It's quite plausible to imagine a scenario in which the next referendum is almost a formality.calum said:0 -
After playing the Ken drinking game for just one interview....
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AndyJS said:
Who's paying for these endless investigations into Ken?
I presume the Labour party.
Which gets Short money.
Which comes from the taxpayers.
So it seems you are paying for them...
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Not the first time, Ken, if I recall.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Ken Livingstone: "I only mention Hitler when I'm asked a question about him."
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He said that ITN were there already and a few more were turning up in half an hour or so! How's he know!?!Scott_P said:@jonwalker121: Ken is speaking to LBC about Hitler right now and complaining that journalists are turning up at his home as he does it
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Off topic but very relevant to political betting:
https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/849279739579772929
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@smashmorePH: Iain Dale of @LBC asks Ken Livingstone if he's concerned about people leaving Labour because of him?
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It is also not true that it is the aim of Jewish groups to conflate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. There have been plenty of prominent Jews and indeed the Israeli Ambassador himself who have made clear that they accept the right of others to criticize the Israeli government. Rather, too many people who want to elide the difference between criticizing the government and criticizing Jews allege that it is their opponents who are trying to prevent them.kle4 said:
There are people who conflate all criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews, this is true. It is, however, at the least matched if not exceeded by those who pretend that all those condemning criticism of Jews are also trying to prevent criticism of Israel.Roger said:
It is the aim and objective of all Zionist groups and more recently most Jewish groups to conflate criticism of Israel with anti semitism. It is thus almost impossible to discuss anything to do with Israel-including their deliberate scuppering of any possibility of a Palestinian State by building the first settlement on the West Bank for 26 years-without being tarred a racist.Cyclefree said:
Roger: why do find it so difficult to condemn anti-Semitism here? It is possible to be against anti-Semitism and the attacks on Jews here in Europe and also critical of the current policies of the Israeli government without descending into Holocaust historical revisionism and Jew-baiting. But it is something which seems to be beyond Livingstone and many of his and Corbyn's friends and allies. You are not a stupid man. Does it not ever occur to you that the reason it may be beyond them is because their intent is not to make a reasoned critique of a particular Israeli government and its policies but something more malicious and sinister?Roger said:
Even allowing people as clumsy as Ken to be crucified just cowers everyone else into submission and means support for the Palestinians is painted as anti semitism which is the clear objective of the Israeli government
It is perfectly possible to criticize the Israeli government. You talk about the Israeli government. You don't need to use the word Jews or Zionists. This is not hard. The fact that so many people find it difficult to make the distinction tells you something.
Support for the Palestinians is not automatically anti-Semitism. But those who do support the current Palestinian leadership should ask themselves if they are happy with the lurid and anti-Semitic language used by many on the Palestinian side about Israel and about Jews in general. See, for instance, the Hamas Charter. Do they think that this is a way calculated to build the trust needed to get a solution that works for both groups?0 -
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@GuidoFawkes: Stats: Ken averaged 1 "Hitler" every 73 seconds. Over a sustained interview period we think this is a new personal best for him.0
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@smashmorePH: Iain Dale of @LBC asks Ken Livingstone if he's concerned about people leaving Labour because of him?
"I'll believe it when I see it"
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He played himself in though. Didn't get off the mark until very late on then unleashed a flurryScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Stats: Ken averaged 1 "Hitler" every 73 seconds. Over a sustained interview period we think this is a new personal best for him.
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Unlike Sir Geoffry who used to like to play himself in, Ken doesn't worry about going hard at balls traditionally thought of as being in the corridor of uncertainty.isam said:
He played himself in though. Didn't get off the mark until very late on then unleashed a flurryScott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Stats: Ken averaged 1 "Hitler" every 73 seconds. Over a sustained interview period we think this is a new personal best for him.
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To make room for Ken?Scott_P said:0 -
That makes it sound like scoring a 147 break. "I think he's lining up a Pol Pot..."Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Stats: Ken averaged 1 "Hitler" every 73 seconds. Over a sustained interview period we think this is a new personal best for him.
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@GuidoFawkes: On BBC News channel Ken delivers a mere 3 "Hitlers" in 8 minutes. An average of one every 160 seconds. Not up to his best form.0
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Just finished a Graun "omnibus survey" - everything from what I think of their coverage of the French elections to what food I buy. Asked me some personal questions also. V disappointed not to be asked what gender I identify as.0
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Might come back strong after a short drinks break...Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: On BBC News channel Ken delivers a mere 3 "Hitlers" in 8 minutes. An average of one every 160 seconds. Not up to his best form.
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@charlotteahenry: @GuidoFawkes It was 6.Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: On BBC News channel Ken delivers a mere 3 "Hitlers" in 8 minutes. An average of one every 160 seconds. Not up to his best form.
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Which is fair comment. It may come to that. It may not. We shall see.williamglenn said:
The question is whether there will be a tipping point when wider the Scottish political class begins to see it as inevitable. It's quite plausible to imagine a scenario in which the next referendum is almost a formality.calum said:
Question: As Mr Farron and others have wanted on the EU, should, in your view, there be one or two referendums? One on the principle of independence, and one on the exit terms when agreed with rUK? Or just one and let's see what we negotiate.
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Mr. Pulpstar, Betdaq does pretty much the same thing as Betfair, right?0
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Good post. It’s very difficult for people to criticise the Israeli Government as those who oppose them on other matters immediately accuse the speaker of anti-semitism, thereby promoting themselves as ‘of the light’.Cyclefree said:
It is also not true that it is the aim of Jewish groups to conflate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. There have been plenty of prominent Jews and indeed the Israeli Ambassador himself who have made clear that they accept the right of others to criticize the Israeli government. Rather, too many people who want to elide the difference between criticizing the government and criticizing Jews allege that it is their opponents who are trying to prevent them.kle4 said:
There are people who conflate all criticism of Israel with criticism of Jews, this is true. It is, however, at the least matched if not exceeded by those who pretend that all those condemning criticism of Jews are also trying to prevent criticism of Israel.Roger said:
.Cyclefree said:
Roger: why do find it so difficult to condemn anti-Semitism here? It is possible to be against anti-Semitism and the attacks on Jews here in Europe and also critical of the current policies of the Israeli government without descending into Holocaust historical revisionism and Jew-baiting. But it is something which seems to be beyond Livingstone and many of his and Corbyn's friends and allies. You are not a stupid man. Does it not ever occur to you that the reason it may be beyond them is because their intent is not to make a reasoned critique of a particular Israeli government and its policies but something more malicious and sinister?Roger said:
Even allowing people as clumsy as Ken to be crucified just cowers everyone else into submission and means support for the Palestinians is painted as anti semitism which is the clear objective of the Israeli government
It is perfectly possible to criticize the Israeli government. You talk about the Israeli government. You don't need to use the word Jews or Zionists. This is not hard. The fact that so many people find it difficult to make the distinction tells you something.
Support for the Palestinians is not automatically anti-Semitism. But those who do support the current Palestinian leadership should ask themselves if they are happy with the lurid and anti-Semitic language used by many on the Palestinian side about Israel and about Jews in general. See, for instance, the Hamas Charter. Do they think that this is a way calculated to build the trust needed to get a solution that works for both groups?0 -
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Yes.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, Betdaq does pretty much the same thing as Betfair, right?
2 big differences though
1) Not so many markets & less liquidity
2) No premium charge.0 -
Ignoring the fact that Lab would "lose seats" also so it's a price worth paying for the Cons.williamglenn said:
I'm happy if the LDs get some traction. Who knows, in 40 years time we might rejoin the EU.0
