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The swift way in which Angela Merkel has undermined Theresa May’s Article 50 invocation plan underlines how critical it is that Team GB needs the very best team in the coming two years.

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  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    First :smiley:
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    edited March 2017
    I thought Davis had received some praise for his handling of his post?

    I feel like we are being trolled by OGH :smiley:
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Not a chance and Merkel has not undermined Theresa May today.

    I think you should quote all the transcript from Merkel today as shown on the previous thread
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Why would we want newspaper editor negotiating our departure from the EU?
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Oooh - Theresa May felt the need to confirm that she voted remain. :D
  • Gallowgate
    Gallowgate Posts: 20,709
    Andrew Neil doing a good job.
  • TwistedFireStopper
    TwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    He's only got 6 jobs, I'm sure he can fit another one in.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    FPT
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Listening to Sky, BBC and ITV throughout the day to my surprise the BBC have been fair and balanced.

    Adam Boulton, Faisal Islam of Sky and Robert Peston of ITV both misquoting Merkel and both broadcasters having great difficulty in being balanced

    Hope the BBC continue in this vein. Andrew Neil up in 10 minutes of BBC with his interview with TM.

    Yes all credit to May been interviewed by Andrew Neil never remember Cameron doing the same.
    She's doing pretty well so far, as you say fair play to her for sitting down with Neil on a day like today.
    It's a bit dull really as a lot of this has been done to death and she's quite good at talking a lot without saying much at all. His interview with George Osborne was a lot more interesting as Osborne couldn't resist fighting back!
    I'd imagine that this interview will reach a much wider audience than usually pay attention to politics, Mrs May isnt saying much that we've not heard before, but a lot of people will be hearing this for the first time today. She's much better than someone like Osborne at dealing with a more combative interview technique.
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    Even if May bit the bullet & offered to hire him, I doubt we could pay him enough.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    And now the main event......
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Corbyn on now with Andrew Neil BBC1
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    The same man who managed to halve a EU bill by using a rebate that was going to be applied anyway?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    I'll say it again.

    Theresa May = Neville Chamberlain

    George Osborne = Sir Winston Churchill

    We just have to wait for Mrs May's Norway debate moment.
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    Now I know youre just trying to wind me up
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    edited March 2017
    Corbyn up with Neil now, hope he's better than the shouty ranter from the HoC earlier.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    I thought May handled that pretty well. Not easy to handle Andrew Neill. She can speak forever without giving an answer or anything specific but she set out her position clearly and held the line without any obvious distress.
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    I have always seen Osborne as a poundstore Mandelson. And there's no doubt which knows his way round Brussels better.
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,764
    Osborne was a political pygmy (as you put it) prior to becoming chancellor. He did ok in that job, but it was hardly a compelling performance. May shouldn't seek Osborne's help - she should though be talking to Cameron and Hague - but only as background - she's doing very well as it is.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Wow, JC almost sounding normal and sensible.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Oh dear. What's that saying about remaining silent and being thought a fool?
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    On topic I agree. This government would be considerably stronger with Osborne and indeed Gove in it. It is not a time for petty personality nonsense. We need our brightest and best on this. Personally I would like Mandelson involved as well (I appreciate this is a minority view).
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Sandpit said:

    Wow, JC almost sounding normal and sensible.

    Until he confused the Single Market with the Customs Union.
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    DavidL said:

    I thought May handled that pretty well. Not easy to handle Andrew Neill. She can speak forever without giving an answer or anything specific but she set out her position clearly and held the line without any obvious distress.

    Back to that Nick Robinson quote about him refusing to do interviews her when she was HS - he came out of the meeting knowing no more than he did when he walked in.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Wow, JC almost sounding normal and sensible.

    Until he confused the Single Market with the Customs Union.
    Ha! Maybe I should have held my compliment for a few seconds longer!
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn on now with Andrew Neil BBC1

    Not in Scotland. We have some prat called Russell talking about, surprise, surprise, a referendum.
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    Has someone let the air out of the right side of Jezza's chair cushion?
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    DavidL said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn on now with Andrew Neil BBC1

    Not in Scotland. We have some prat called Russell talking about, surprise, surprise, a referendum.
    Channel 960 on Sky
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    I thought May handled that pretty well. Not easy to handle Andrew Neill. She can speak forever without giving an answer or anything specific but she set out her position clearly and held the line without any obvious distress.

    Back to that Nick Robinson quote about him refusing to do interviews her when she was HS - he came out of the meeting knowing no more than he did when he walked in.
    Yes. Its undoubtedly a political skill. But not an endearing one.
  • TOPPING
    TOPPING Posts: 44,060
    ISTM that Jezza is thinking deep down, maybe not so deep: "Yippee we've finally left that imperialist military-industrial complex! Yesss!"
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    No, you wouldn't.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Corbyn cannot answer free movement question

    Neil turning the screw on labours lack of control on free movement
  • Razedabode
    Razedabode Posts: 3,117
    Corbyn back on form now
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,291
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll say it again.

    Theresa May = Neville Chamberlain

    George Osborne = Sir Winston Churchill

    We just have to wait for Mrs May's Norway debate moment.

    Who will deliver the Leo Amery line?
  • Floater
    Floater Posts: 14,207
    hmm - those "skills" were somewhat lacking on occasion weren't they
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    DavidL said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn on now with Andrew Neil BBC1

    Not in Scotland. We have some prat called Russell talking about, surprise, surprise, a referendum.
    Channel 960 on Sky
    Thanks but enough. I am brexited out.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    williamglenn said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'll say it again.

    Theresa May = Neville Chamberlain

    George Osborne = Sir Winston Churchill

    We just have to wait for Mrs May's Norway debate moment.

    Who will deliver the Leo Amery line?
    Michael Gove or Ken Clarke.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Corbyn says Scot referendum if it takes place should happen after the Brexit negotiations have been completed
  • Baskerville
    Baskerville Posts: 391
    May is always going to be more comfortable with a 'serious' interview like this one than she would be on the This Morning sofa. At this stage, all she had to do was sound reasonable, serious and competent; she did that. The Andrew Neil interview on 28th March 2019 could be a belter.
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Oops... (Yes, I know that Twitter isn't Britain.)

    https://twitter.com/whitesweed/status/847136120580263936
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Tim Farron Nuttall and Greens now up on Neil
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited March 2017
    I think this thread has been posted three days early.
  • OUT
    OUT Posts: 569
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn says Scot referendum if it takes place should happen after the Brexit negotiations have been completed

    He's a prick.
  • logical_song
    logical_song Posts: 10,082
    Ishmael_Z said:

    I have always seen Osborne as a poundstore Mandelson. And there's no doubt which knows his way round Brussels better.

    So May should enlist the Prince of Darkness for our negotiations?
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    We probably wouldn't be leaving if it wasn't for George Osborne's REMAIN campaign.

    He and Cameron decided to play Russian Roulette with the electorate. And lost.
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited March 2017
    An arch Remainer would feel more comfortable with an arch Remainer involved... wow!

    Is this the same George Osborne who was enraged by the £1.7bn EU bill in 2014, said he'd never ever EVER pay it... then paid it?

    What a negotiator!


  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    OUT said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn says Scot referendum if it takes place should happen after the Brexit negotiations have been completed

    He's a prick.
    He is but on this it seems that only the SNP backed by the Greens are in favour of indy2 by 2019 and it simply will not pass the HOC or HOL before the end of Brexit
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    edited March 2017
    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    logical_song said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I have always seen Osborne as a poundstore Mandelson. And there's no doubt which knows his way round Brussels better.

    So May should enlist the Prince of Darkness for our negotiations?
    That was rather my point, yes.
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    chortle

    that's yesterdays news. The paddies were wailing they didnt get it. Theyre shifting a few jobs but Lloyds stays in London
  • OUT
    OUT Posts: 569
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    Tis but a flesh wound.
  • logical_song
    logical_song Posts: 10,082
    Ishmael_Z said:

    logical_song said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I have always seen Osborne as a poundstore Mandelson. And there's no doubt which knows his way round Brussels better.

    So May should enlist the Prince of Darkness for our negotiations?
    That was rather my point, yes.
    Pretty astute political antennae.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Ishmael_Z said:

    logical_song said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I have always seen Osborne as a poundstore Mandelson. And there's no doubt which knows his way round Brussels better.

    So May should enlist the Prince of Darkness for our negotiations?
    That was rather my point, yes.
    Yay, 2 for Mandelson. Any more?
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,764
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    "Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe."

    You might equally phrase that as

    "Lloyd's of London opens outpost in cut off Europe"


  • Alistair
    Alistair Posts: 23,670
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn says Scot referendum if it takes place should happen after the Brexit negotiations have been completed

    So agrees with Sturgeon then?
  • calum
    calum Posts: 3,046
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    OUT said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn says Scot referendum if it takes place should happen after the Brexit negotiations have been completed

    He's a prick.
    He is but on this it seems that only the SNP backed by the Greens are in favour of indy2 by 2019 and it simply will not pass the HOC or HOL before the end of Brexit
    Farron on making a good case for Indyref2 !
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,291
    DavidL said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    logical_song said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I have always seen Osborne as a poundstore Mandelson. And there's no doubt which knows his way round Brussels better.

    So May should enlist the Prince of Darkness for our negotiations?
    That was rather my point, yes.
    Yay, 2 for Mandelson. Any more?
    No, the risk of him succeeding is too great.
  • Roger
    Roger Posts: 20,744
    If anyone wants to REALLY depress themselves switch on CH4. Theyre doing a studio programme with a cross section of the residents of Hull discussing Brexit.

    You could divide the audience by IQ and nothing else.

    Not age nor class.


  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Tim Farron says A50 is revocable - is this the case?
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited March 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    Lloyds Of London becomes Lloyd's Of... Brussels?

    Doesn't have quite the same ring but I guess they know best! :smiley:
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Tim Farron Nuttall and Greens now up on Neil

    Oh the humiliation. I remember the days when we would have had wall to wall Uncle Vince from the BBC on something like this. Now they get put with the Greens.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    williamglenn said:

    DavidL said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    logical_song said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I have always seen Osborne as a poundstore Mandelson. And there's no doubt which knows his way round Brussels better.

    So May should enlist the Prince of Darkness for our negotiations?
    That was rather my point, yes.
    Yay, 2 for Mandelson. Any more?
    No, the risk of him succeeding is too great.
    Success here is a win win deal for the UK and the EU. And I agree he might well succeed.
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    DavidL said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Tim Farron Nuttall and Greens now up on Neil

    Oh the humiliation. I remember the days when we would have had wall to wall Uncle Vince from the BBC on something like this. Now they get put with the Greens.
    Not sure what the Greens have done to get promoted to the second tier?
  • calum
    calum Posts: 3,046
    tlg86 said:

    Tim Farron says A50 is revocable - is this the case?

    Only if EU council agree unanimously - so Malta cld vote it down !
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Alanbrooke said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    chortle

    that's yesterdays news. The paddies were wailing they didnt get it. Theyre shifting a few jobs but Lloyds stays in London
    They only have 10% of their business in Europe
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    edited March 2017
    ThreeQuidder said:

    DavidL said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Tim Farron Nuttall and Greens now up on Neil

    Oh the humiliation. I remember the days when we would have had wall to wall Uncle Vince from the BBC on something like this. Now they get put with the Greens.
    Not sure what the Greens have done to get promoted to the second tier?
    You think the Lib Dems are still second tier? Labour barely manage that these days.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    tlg86 said:

    Tim Farron says A50 is revocable - is this the case?

    We need a court case to find out the following

    1) Is it revocable

    2) If so, Is it revocable by the UK alone or does it require unanimity as well from EU27?
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Roger said:

    If anyone wants to REALLY depress themselves switch on CH4. Theyre doing a studio programme with a cross section of the residents of Hull discussing Brexit.

    You could divide the audience by IQ and nothing else.

    Not age nor class.


    Sneering at Labour's working class voters again Roger? - And then you wonder why Labour is unelectable.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Alistair said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn says Scot referendum if it takes place should happen after the Brexit negotiations have been completed

    So agrees with Sturgeon then?
    No - consideration will not take place until after Brexit. So no indy2 before 2020 GE
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim Farron says A50 is revocable - is this the case?

    We need a court case to find out the following

    1) Is it revocable

    2) If so, Is it revocable by the UK alone or does it require unanimity as well from EU27?
    Sounds like it needs the 27 to agree:

    http://tinyurl.com/loug3mr

    A very odd state of affairs.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,764
    tlg86 said:

    Tim Farron says A50 is revocable - is this the case?

    Well clearly. Nothing happened today - in theory the nothing that happened can be reversed. When something actually happens as a result of this decision then it becomes harder to revoke.

  • Restharrow
    Restharrow Posts: 233
    Roger said:

    If anyone wants to REALLY depress themselves switch on CH4. Theyre doing a studio programme with a cross section of the residents of Hull discussing Brexit.

    You could divide the audience by IQ and nothing else.

    Not age nor class.

    Are they "broken down by age and sex"?
  • OUT
    OUT Posts: 569
    Roger said:

    If anyone wants to REALLY depress themselves switch on CH4. Theyre doing a studio programme with a cross section of the residents of Hull discussing Brexit.

    You could divide the audience by IQ and nothing else.

    Not age nor class.


    City of culture don't ya know.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Alistair said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn says Scot referendum if it takes place should happen after the Brexit negotiations have been completed

    So agrees with Sturgeon then?
    No - consideration will not take place until after Brexit. So no indy2 before 2020 GE
    In reality we will have an Indy2 if the SNP get a majority or pretty damn close to it in 2021. If they don't we won't.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    edited March 2017
    What programme were the Andrew Neil interviews with May and Corbyn on?

    Is there a link to them?
  • Beverley_C
    Beverley_C Posts: 6,256
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim Farron says A50 is revocable - is this the case?

    We need a court case to find out the following

    1) Is it revocable

    2) If so, Is it revocable by the UK alone or does it require unanimity as well from EU27?
    Apparently there is one in progress in Dublin
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    MikeL said:

    What programme were the Andrew Neil interviews with May and Corbyn on?

    Is there a link to them?

    BBC1 - should be on the iPlayer.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    MikeL said:

    What programme were the Andrew Neil interviews with May and Corbyn on?

    Is there a link to them?

    They were on BBC1, a special. No doubt they will be on iPlayer shortly.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    MikeL said:

    What programme were the Andrew Neil interviews with May and Corbyn on?

    Is there a link to them?

    IPlayer is your friend

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08mhh5c/britain-the-eu-the-brexit-interviews-brexit-what-next-the-andrew-neil-interviews

    I'm going to catch up in a hour.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Many thanks to you all!
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    Oh, any sightings of the anticipated Four Horsemen? :)
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Faisal Islam still being economical with Merkels statement.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Faisal Islam still being economical with Merkels statement.

    What has she actually said?
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    DavidL said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Alistair said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Corbyn says Scot referendum if it takes place should happen after the Brexit negotiations have been completed

    So agrees with Sturgeon then?
    No - consideration will not take place until after Brexit. So no indy2 before 2020 GE
    In reality we will have an Indy2 if the SNP get a majority or pretty damn close to it in 2021. If they don't we won't.
    I think that is where the indy2 debate is heading
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    edited March 2017
    tlg86 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Faisal Islam still being economical with Merkels statement.

    What has she actually said?
    He said that Merkel said Nein to trade deal until after agreement on divorce when she said that a broad agreement would need to take place and then to move on, hopefully soon, to the trade discussions. Islam only said she had said Nein to trade discussions
  • calum
    calum Posts: 3,046
    The Council voting rules are interesting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2017
    There will be a lot of cross border transferring as individual businesses adapt.

    Alsico - army clothing manufacturer - have shifted work back from Italy to Northern England: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-4349030/Brexit-boost-uniforms-return-UK.html

    A little more of the food production moves to the UK according to Rabobank: http://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Manufacturing/UK-food-manufacturers-could-benefit-from-Brexit?utm_source=RSS_text_news&utm_medium=RSS_feed&utm_campaign=RSS_Text_News

    Specific mention of us adopting the New Zealand model - essentially zero tariff rating products for the entire world.

    It's going to be a fluid situation with businesses making individual judgements.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    calum said:

    The Council voting rules are interesting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

    I think everything relating to Brexit will be done under unanimity.
  • Omnium
    Omnium Posts: 11,764
    So earlier in the evening we have Mike telling the Tories that they've gone wrong. We've now had a performance by Farron. It's gone strangely quiet.
  • kjohnw
    kjohnw Posts: 1,456
    GIN1138 said:

    Roger said:

    If anyone wants to REALLY depress themselves switch on CH4. Theyre doing a studio programme with a cross section of the residents of Hull discussing Brexit.

    You could divide the audience by IQ and nothing else.

    Not age nor class.


    Sneering at Labour's working class voters again Roger? - And then you wonder why Labour is unelectable.
    quite, what is it with the champagne socialists sneering at the working classes from their tuscan villas. no wonder labour is screwed .
  • calum
    calum Posts: 3,046
    RobD said:

    calum said:

    The Council voting rules are interesting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

    I think everything relating to Brexit will be done under unanimity.
    QM for some

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-17-648_en.htm
  • MTimT
    MTimT Posts: 7,034
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    tlg86 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Faisal Islam still being economical with Merkels statement.

    What has she actually said?
    He said that Merkel said Nein to trade deal until after agreement on divorce when she said that a broad agreement would need to take place and then to move on, hopefully soon, to the trade discussions. Islam only said she had said Nein to trade discussions
    Which is all by the by. The real thing is that there will be no deal until there is a whole deal. That is how complex negotiations work.
  • ThreeQuidder
    ThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tim Farron says A50 is revocable - is this the case?

    We need a court case to find out the following

    1) Is it revocable

    2) If so, Is it revocable by the UK alone or does it require unanimity as well from EU27?
    Unilateral revocability is irrelevant after May's speech today.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    DavidL said:

    On topic I agree. This government would be considerably stronger with Osborne and indeed Gove in it. It is not a time for petty personality nonsense. We need our brightest and best on this. Personally I would like Mandelson involved as well (I appreciate this is a minority view).

    Gove blabs. He leaks. He plays games. And that is exactly what is not required for the next two years.

    We need silent types with a good poker face.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    tlg86 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Faisal Islam still being economical with Merkels statement.

    What has she actually said?
    He said that Merkel said Nein to trade deal until after agreement on divorce when she said that a broad agreement would need to take place and then to move on, hopefully soon, to the trade discussions. Islam only said she had said Nein to trade discussions
    Thanks, not surprised it's being reported in sensationalist terms.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,611
    calum said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:

    The Council voting rules are interesting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

    I think everything relating to Brexit will be done under unanimity.
    QM for some

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-17-648_en.htm
    Even for the final deal! I thought that would have required unanimity as it is relating to membership.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,459
    Restharrow said:

    Roger said:

    If anyone wants to REALLY depress themselves switch on CH4. Theyre doing a studio programme with a cross section of the residents of Hull discussing Brexit.

    You could divide the audience by IQ and nothing else.

    Not age nor class.

    Are they "broken down by age and sex"?
    Has SeanT been broken down by too many years and too much sex?
  • NickPalmer
    NickPalmer Posts: 21,724
    By the way, Valls (the losing candidate in the Socialist election) has endorsed Macron. Meanwhile, Melanchon (far left) has inched up again, to 15%. He has a shot at coming 3rd above Fillon (who is in the 17-20 range) but Macron or Le Pen (on 25-26) would need to melt down spectacularly to get him into 2nd.
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