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edited March 2017 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Gloomy polling news for Mr. Corbyn from the pollster that’s returning to GB politics after 12 year absence

A new poll conducted by GfK, the first published GB political survey since GE2005 when it operated as NOP, has  Corbyn as unpopular among Brits as Trump.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    edited March 2017
    Six hours after first hearing of that Corbyn nearly as unpopular Trump, I still can't process.

    Is there no electoral low Corbyn won't sink to?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    And Corbyn didn't even get to grab any pussy....
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    It's just margin of error stuff from their previous poll...
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    nth
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    LibDems on 7%.

    I like these guys....
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,471
    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    MarqueeMark said:

    And Corbyn didn't even get to grab any pussy....

    Diane Abbott.
  • FormerToryOrangeFormerToryOrange Posts: 112
    SandyRentool said:

    It's just margin of error stuff from their previous poll...

    Should we be surprised Mike hasn't reported this as "Lib Dems drop 16 points with pollster who got their last election poll spot in!" ?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    If the Tories had elected Davis, we wouldn't be leaving the EU.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    I don't believe the Greens are on 6%.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,892
    Davis certainly didn't come across like he was ready for the huge task he faces in the near future. Not much to inspire any confidence at all.
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    FPT Keir Stammer's QT prep tonight

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXKlC8ph7mM
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    Is that the same David Davis that made Nick Clegg look a proper Charlie
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    SandyRentool said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    If the Tories had elected Davis, we wouldn't be leaving the EU.
    Rather counter intuitive. Why?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    Artist said:

    Davis certainly didn't come across like he was ready for the huge task he faces in the near future. Not much to inspire any confidence at all.

    Do not underestimate him. He may well surprise you
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    justin124 said:

    I don't believe the Greens are on 6%.

    Have you ever seen a poll you think is accurate?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited March 2017
    YossariansChild said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    And Corbyn didn't even get to grab any pussy....

    Diane Abbott.
    Saw the post you posted on last thread,hope things improve for you.
  • Fat_SteveFat_Steve Posts: 361
    It's interesting that government approve / disapprove rating is, give or take, 40 40. I vaguely recall that this sort of ratio is largely consistent in a western democracy and is somebody's principle, but can't remember whose.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    YossariansChild said:

    FPT Keir Stammer's QT prep tonight

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXKlC8ph7mM

    Kryton kept saying he has accepted the result, but that's not true. He has not, and neither have the SNP or the Lib Dems. Melanie Phillips was bang on with her closing statement.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    justin124 said:

    I don't believe the Greens are on 6%.

    Have you ever seen a poll you think is accurate?
    One that shows a Labour lead? (been a while I know)
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,111
    edited March 2017
    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    Labour as Red Dwarf characters.

    Kryton - Keir Stammer natch
    Dave Lister - Andy Burham - im from Liverpool doncha no
    Arnold Rimmer - No clue must be Corbyn
    Holly (1st one) - Yvette Cooper - sensible, bad hair.
    Cat - Tony Blair - kissing and licking himself as he looks in the mirror.
    Kochanski - Diane Abbott - the one the leader wants sexually but no one knows why.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    FPT.. @YossariansChild - thanks for the Red Dwarf clip... misses the funny apple/orange/banana bit though :p
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    justin124 said:

    I don't believe the Greens are on 6%.

    Have you ever seen a poll you think is accurate?
    I actually think this poll is fairly close to the mark for the main parties , but 6% for Greens looks far too high. I also suspect that the LibDems are being understated here .
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    Roger said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    If the Tories had elected Davis, we wouldn't be leaving the EU.
    Rather counter intuitive. Why?
    Because he wouldn't have won a majority in 2015.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,826
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    Is that the same David Davis that made Nick Clegg look a proper Charlie
    Well that certainly wasn't on Question Time tonight. Nick Clegg occasionally reminded us that he could have been a contender.....
  • wasdwasd Posts: 276
    YossariansChild said:

    Labour as Red Dwarf characters.

    Kryton - Keir Stammer natch
    Dave Lister - Andy Burham - im from Liverpool doncha no
    Arnold Rimmer - No clue must be Corbyn
    Holly (1st one) - Yvette Cooper - sensible, bad hair.
    Cat - Tony Blair - kissing and licking himself as he looks in the mirror.
    Kochanski - Diane Abbott - the one the leader wants sexually but no one knows why.

    That's a little unfair to Lister and Kochanski.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    YossariansChild said:

    Labour as Red Dwarf characters.

    Kryton - Keir Stammer natch
    Dave Lister - Andy Burham - im from Liverpool doncha no
    Arnold Rimmer - No clue must be Corbyn
    Holly (1st one) - Yvette Cooper - sensible, bad hair.
    Cat - Tony Blair - kissing and licking himself as he looks in the mirror.
    Kochanski - Diane Abbott - the one the leader wants sexually but no one knows why.

    Not Red Dwarf I know, but Angie Rayner has got to be Keith Lemon. 'Fwuu tut' keeyole'.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Are the full GfK datasets available yet?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,471
    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    And Corbyn didn't even get to grab any pussy....

    Diane Abbott.
    Saw the post you posted on last thread,hope things improve for you.
    Thank you sir. Went to Bradford at the end of last year. Was a shock. Completely sympathise with all you say on here. I think if more people (by that I mean London folk) went to see what is happening in Bradford, Dewsbury etc it would give much better understanding of where we are as a country. I know I could not have done what you are doing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Danny565 said:

    Are the full GfK datasets available yet?

    Not yet.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,471
    Roger said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    Is that the same David Davis that made Nick Clegg look a proper Charlie
    Well that certainly wasn't on Question Time tonight. Nick Clegg occasionally reminded us that he could have been a contender.....
    Except that of the panel he did more to create the conditions for Brexit than any other.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2017
    In other news, I assume this is yet another poll where "the party of Remain" Lib Dems are again 3rd among Remain voters.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Danny565 said:

    Are the full GfK datasets available yet?

    Not yet.
    Ok, thanks.

    (Writing "full GfK" was much harder than I thought it would be....)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Oh Lord.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846470664278196225
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    Jonathan said:

    Roger said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    Is that the same David Davis that made Nick Clegg look a proper Charlie
    Well that certainly wasn't on Question Time tonight. Nick Clegg occasionally reminded us that he could have been a contender.....
    Except that of the panel he did more to create the conditions for Brexit than any other.
    Yes. Nick Clegg went almost Trumpian with his knowledge of negotiating a deal. Yet no one turned round to him and said 'you negotiated the Coalition and how did that work out for you and the Lib Dems chummy?'
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,188
    Danny565 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Danny565 said:

    Are the full GfK datasets available yet?

    Not yet.
    Ok, thanks.

    (Writing "full GfK" was much harder than I thought it would be....)
    I call them Keiran's mob, much easier than typing GfK.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    Roger said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    Is that the same David Davis that made Nick Clegg look a proper Charlie
    Well that certainly wasn't on Question Time tonight. Nick Clegg occasionally reminded us that he could have been a contender.....
    It was towards the end when David Davis explained that he had said access to the single market and that is not the same as membership. Actually Nick Clegg is miles ahead of Tim Farron
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    The current Labour party is the worst Opposition this country has ever seen. Their front bench is an insult to British democracy. I'm not saying the Tories are brilliant either, far from it.
  • Torby_FennelTorby_Fennel Posts: 438
    edited March 2017
    Horrible graphics in the thread header! Is that white numbers on a white background in the Corbyn/Trump bit? :/
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,631
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh Lord.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846470664278196225

    Agreed - just unnecessary
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited March 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh Lord.

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846470664278196225

    Cracking down on health tourists is akin to the loft lagging army to save the economy !!!

    Oh you are talking about the leg off...not the sort you get on the NHS.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    For all her other deficiencies, Mrs May has the much better legs IMO.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    Agreed but at least they're not actively evil like New Labour and its prime movers.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    wasd said:

    YossariansChild said:

    Labour as Red Dwarf characters.

    Kryton - Keir Stammer natch
    Dave Lister - Andy Burham - im from Liverpool doncha no
    Arnold Rimmer - No clue must be Corbyn
    Holly (1st one) - Yvette Cooper - sensible, bad hair.
    Cat - Tony Blair - kissing and licking himself as he looks in the mirror.
    Kochanski - Diane Abbott - the one the leader wants sexually but no one knows why.

    That's a little unfair to Lister and Kochanski.
    "Smoke me a Kipper, Bongo. I'll be back for breakfast!"
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_TJph3PrAZA
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,920
    Only a 13-point Tory lead???? They are at best a bronze standard ... :)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,939
    I don't remember a discussion of legs when Cameron met with Salmond.

    We still have some way to go.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    Back in the 1990s, my classmates ceremonially chucked out my school bag from a first floor window after they found Daily Mail clippings of "Britain's best legs" or whatever it was called back then :)

    How's that for a conversation stopper? :lol:
  • wasdwasd Posts: 276
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    wasd said:

    YossariansChild said:

    Labour as Red Dwarf characters.

    Kryton - Keir Stammer natch
    Dave Lister - Andy Burham - im from Liverpool doncha no
    Arnold Rimmer - No clue must be Corbyn
    Holly (1st one) - Yvette Cooper - sensible, bad hair.
    Cat - Tony Blair - kissing and licking himself as he looks in the mirror.
    Kochanski - Diane Abbott - the one the leader wants sexually but no one knows why.

    That's a little unfair to Lister and Kochanski.
    "Smoke me a Kipper, Bongo. I'll be back for breakfast!"
    'Mr. Flibble's very cross.'
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited March 2017
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    Utterly dismal? Come off it - you supported governments which included (just to take a few examples off the top of my head) Margaret Beckett as Foreign Secretary and disastrously in DEFRA, John Prescott as Deputy PM, Gordon Brown as Chancellor, Gordon Brown as PM, Geoff Hoon as Defence Secretary, Patricia Hewitt as Chief Sec, Des Browne as Defence Secretary - and Estelle Morris as Education Secretary, although she at least had the self-awareness to know that she wasn't up to the job. To make it even worse, ministers were shuffled around so frequently that even the decent ones had no chance to master their briefs, with the dire exception of Gordon Brown who, disastrously, was not shuffled out.

    This is, on balance, a medium-good government. Not up to the standard of the Cameron or first two Thatcher governments, admittedly, but not bad.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh Lord.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846470664278196225

    Agreed - just unnecessary
    That said, I've been pleasantly surprised about how little May being a woman has been commented about. The UK does seem to be almost completely unbothered about it.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    YossariansChild said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    And Corbyn didn't even get to grab any pussy....

    Diane Abbott.
    Saw the post you posted on last thread,hope things improve for you.
    Thank you sir. Went to Bradford at the end of last year. Was a shock. Completely sympathise with all you say on here. I think if more people (by that I mean London folk) went to see what is happening in Bradford, Dewsbury etc it would give much better understanding of where we are as a country. I know I could not have done what you are doing.
    Thanks.

    I put most posters on here in the well off category,so no sympathy ;-)

    It's where I was born and brought up but in the last year or so,the place where I live in my eyes is not safe for me and my family ,partly down to the new wave of immigration.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    edited March 2017
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    Utterly dismal? Come off it - you supported governments which included (just to take a few examples off the top of my head) Margaret Beckett as Foreign Secretary and disastrously in DEFRA, John Prescott as Deputy PM, Gordon Brown as Chancellor, Gordon Brown as PM, Geoff Hoon as Defence Secretary, Patricia Hewitt as Chief Sec, Des Browne as Defence Secretary - and Estelle Morris as Education Secretary, although she at least had the self-awareness to know that she wasn't up to the job. To make it even worse, ministers were shuffled around so frequently that even the decent ones had no chance to master their briefs, with the dire exception of Gordon Brown who, disastrously, was not shuffled out.

    This is, on balance, a medium-good government. Not up to the standard of the Cameron or first two Thatcher governments, admittedly, but not bad.
    You forgot Labour thought it ok to have a part time Defence Secretary at a time of war.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Danny565 said:

    For all her other deficiencies, Mrs May has the much better legs IMO.

    Sturgeon's got decent if rather muscular legs. May seems highly deluded about her physical attractiveness, I find her attempts at sexiness repulsive.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    Is that the same David Davis that made Nick Clegg look a proper Charlie
    Well that certainly wasn't on Question Time tonight. Nick Clegg occasionally reminded us that he could have been a contender.....
    It was towards the end when David Davis explained that he had said access to the single market and that is not the same as membership. Actually Nick Clegg is miles ahead of Tim Farron
    In the same way as Ed Miliband is miles ahead of Corbyn. Great in relative terms, but still utter shite in absolutes.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh Lord.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846470664278196225

    That really is rather poor
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207
    edited March 2017
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    Utterly dismal? Come off it - you supported governments which included (just to take a few examples off the top of my head) Margaret Beckett as Foreign Secretary and disastrously in DEFRA, John Prescott as Deputy PM, Gordon Brown as Chancellor, Gordon Brown as PM, Geoff Hoon as Defence Secretary, Patricia Hewitt as Chief Sec, Des Browne as Defence Secretary - and Estelle Morris as Education Secretary, although she at least had the self-awareness to know that she wasn't up to the job. To make it even worse, ministers were shuffled around so frequently that even the decent ones had no chance to master their briefs, with the dire exception of Gordon Brown who, disastrously, was not shuffled out.

    This is, on balance, a medium-good government. Not up to the standard of the Cameron or first two Thatcher governments, admittedly, but not bad.
    You forgot the woeful Foreign Secretary that was David Miliband.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,188
    I didn't watch the programme. Did David Davis identify anything worthwhile at all, which his department will deliver?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Newsnight now... the black activist who was born white speaks
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Westminster attacker Khalid Masood had interest in jihad, say police

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/27/westminster-attacker-khalid-masood-not-directed-by-isis-met-police

    Blow me down with a feather...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    Do we have only 45 minutes to save the Country?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    FF43 said:

    I didn't watch the programme. Did David Davis identify anything worthwhile at all, which his department will deliver?

    Brexit? :p
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    isam said:

    Newsnight now... the black activist who was born white speaks

    She isn't black or white...she is transracial.....
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    MarqueeMark said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    Utterly dismal? Come off it - you supported governments which included (just to take a few examples off the top of my head) Margaret Beckett as Foreign Secretary and disastrously in DEFRA, John Prescott as Deputy PM, Gordon Brown as Chancellor, Gordon Brown as PM, Geoff Hoon as Defence Secretary, Patricia Hewitt as Chief Sec, Des Browne as Defence Secretary - and Estelle Morris as Education Secretary, although she at least had the self-awareness to know that she wasn't up to the job. To make it even worse, ministers were shuffled around so frequently that even the decent ones had no chance to master their briefs, with the dire exception of Gordon Brown who, disastrously, was not shuffled out.

    This is, on balance, a medium-good government. Not up to the standard of the Cameron or first two Thatcher governments, admittedly, but not bad.
    You forgot the woeful Foreign Secretary that was David Miliband.
    Well, I could have gone on and on. Ed Miliband in Energy and Climate Change, for example.
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    And Corbyn didn't even get to grab any pussy....

    Diane Abbott.
    Saw the post you posted on last thread,hope things improve for you.
    Thank you sir. Went to Bradford at the end of last year. Was a shock. Completely sympathise with all you say on here. I think if more people (by that I mean London folk) went to see what is happening in Bradford, Dewsbury etc it would give much better understanding of where we are as a country. I know I could not have done what you are doing.
    Thanks.

    I put most posters on here in the well off category,so no sympathy ;-)

    It's where I was born and brought up but in the last year or so,the place where I live in my eyes is not safe for me and my family ,partly down to the new wave of immigration.
    Oh im far from well off - JSA sign on Thursday.. got screwed over with UC - a great idea but put into practice it needs work and I was one of the guinea pigs..

    I can understand what you say. From what I see of places like Bradford, Dewsbury and parts of Hull I have no desire for where I was brought up - Exeter and parts of Devon to go the same way. It's why I admire you - we have a lot of 'Westies' where I am now (in East Riding) and fear I would not have had your courage and stayed. Continue to post here your views always resonate.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    isam said:

    Newsnight now... the black activist who was born white speaks

    She isn't black or white...she is transracial.....
    She left the white world to find happiness in the black world

    But she doesn't recognise race :confounded:
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,197
    SeanT said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Danny565 said:

    For all her other deficiencies, Mrs May has the much better legs IMO.

    Sturgeon's got decent if rather muscular legs. May seems highly deluded about her physical attractiveness, I find her attempts at sexiness repulsive.
    She's 61
    No excuse
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,582
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    Utterly dismal? Come off it - you supported governments which included (just to take a few examples off the top of my head) Margaret Beckett as Foreign Secretary and disastrously in DEFRA, John Prescott as Deputy PM, Gordon Brown as Chancellor, Gordon Brown as PM, Geoff Hoon as Defence Secretary, Patricia Hewitt as Chief Sec, Des Browne as Defence Secretary - and Estelle Morris as Education Secretary, although she at least had the self-awareness to know that she wasn't up to the job. To make it even worse, ministers were shuffled around so frequently that even the decent ones had no chance to master their briefs, with the dire exception of Gordon Brown who, disastrously, was not shuffled out.

    This is, on balance, a medium-good government. Not up to the standard of the Cameron or first two Thatcher governments, admittedly, but not bad.

    I would put any of those names you mention up against the mediocrities, non-entities and deadweights that populate the current cabinet. What an utterly dismal and untalented collection of characters they are.

  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    17pct including tories who think jezza is doing just fine...
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited March 2017
    Jacqui Smith! How the hell did I miss her out?

    I think I've largely erased the horrendous memories of the Blair/Brown years from my mind. I suppose most people have, it's a natural way of coping.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    MarqueeMark said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    Utterly dismal? Come off it - you supported governments which included (just to take a few examples off the top of my head) Margaret Beckett as Foreign Secretary and disastrously in DEFRA, John Prescott as Deputy PM, Gordon Brown as Chancellor, Gordon Brown as PM, Geoff Hoon as Defence Secretary, Patricia Hewitt as Chief Sec, Des Browne as Defence Secretary - and Estelle Morris as Education Secretary, although she at least had the self-awareness to know that she wasn't up to the job. To make it even worse, ministers were shuffled around so frequently that even the decent ones had no chance to master their briefs, with the dire exception of Gordon Brown who, disastrously, was not shuffled out.

    This is, on balance, a medium-good government. Not up to the standard of the Cameron or first two Thatcher governments, admittedly, but not bad.
    You forgot the woeful Foreign Secretary that was David Miliband.
    not to mention about 50 pension ministers so woeful was the attention to that vital issue...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    17pct including tories who think jezza is doing just fine...

    I somehow doubt it is because of his desire for a maximum wage and a wealth tax...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    SeanT said:

    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Danny565 said:

    For all her other deficiencies, Mrs May has the much better legs IMO.

    Sturgeon's got decent if rather muscular legs. May seems highly deluded about her physical attractiveness, I find her attempts at sexiness repulsive.
    She's 61
    PMILF
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,582
    Jason said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mortimer said:

    Jonathan said:

    British politics is in a dire state. The worst in my lifetime by far. Fortunately we have no big decisions looming.

    Oh dear.

    Good grief, hyperbole much?

    At least we're not about to invade a foreign power based on 'intelligence'.
    This government and this Parliament are utterly dismal.
    The current Labour party is the worst Opposition this country has ever seen. Their front bench is an insult to British democracy. I'm not saying the Tories are brilliant either, far from it.

    Totally agree. When mediocrity takes on downright incompetence mediocrity will always win. The Tories are very lucky to be facing Team Corbyn. It's very bad news for the country, though.

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,582
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Six hours after first hearing of that Corbyn nearly as unpopular Trump, I still can't process.

    Is there no electoral low Corbyn won't sink to?

    I see it more as a comment on how unpopular Trump is in the UK.

  • PeterMannionPeterMannion Posts: 712
    SeanT said:

    Roger said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    Is that the same David Davis that made Nick Clegg look a proper Charlie
    Well that certainly wasn't on Question Time tonight. Nick Clegg occasionally reminded us that he could have been a contender.....
    Clegg is the most awful lying c*nt. Promised an EU referendum in his manifesto, then decided that same referendum was a terrible, evil idea

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/eu-referendum-leaflet-will-haunt-clegg-today

    That's about as bad and basic a lie as you can get, in democratic politics. Clegg should leave British politics.
    You're very good at telling people you don't agree with to leave

    Can you take it as well as dish it out?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SeanT said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    And Corbyn didn't even get to grab any pussy....

    Diane Abbott.
    Saw the post you posted on last thread,hope things improve for you.
    Thank you sir. Went to Bradford at the end of last year. Was a shock. Completely sympathise with all you say on here. I think if more people (by that I mean London folk) went to see what is happening in Bradford, Dewsbury etc it would give much better understanding of where we are as a country. I know I could not have done what you are doing.
    Thanks.

    I put most posters on here in the well off category,so no sympathy ;-)

    It's where I was born and brought up but in the last year or so,the place where I live in my eyes is not safe for me and my family ,partly down to the new wave of immigration.
    I missed it, could you repost?
    You didn't miss much ;-)

    Just pointing things out sean that not all Eastern European immigration is hard working play by the rules great people like some on here think.
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    Fuck! I go to post on here after QT and leave my TV on and Mrs Browns Boys comes on - you sadistic bastards! Anyway turned to BBC4 for a doc on US prisons and solitary confinement - more laughs there..
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    PeterMannion said:

    SeanT said:

    Roger said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    Is that the same David Davis that made Nick Clegg look a proper Charlie
    Well that certainly wasn't on Question Time tonight. Nick Clegg occasionally reminded us that he could have been a contender.....
    Clegg is the most awful lying c*nt. Promised an EU referendum in his manifesto, then decided that same referendum was a terrible, evil idea

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/eu-referendum-leaflet-will-haunt-clegg-today

    That's about as bad and basic a lie as you can get, in democratic politics. Clegg should leave British politics.
    You're very good at telling people you don't agree with to leave

    Can you take it as well as dish it out?
    Sean for all his faults can take as good as he gives, and give as good as he takes.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Jacqui Smith! How the hell did I miss her out?

    I think I've largely erased the horrendous memories of the Blair/Brown years from my mind. I suppose most people have, it's a natural way of coping.

    Who did you rate John Reid ?
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    SeanT said:

    YossariansChild said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    And Corbyn didn't even get to grab any pussy....

    Diane Abbott.
    Saw the post you posted on last thread,hope things improve for you.
    Thank you sir. Went to Bradford at the end of last year. Was a shock. Completely sympathise with all you say on here. I think if more people (by that I mean London folk) went to see what is happening in Bradford, Dewsbury etc it would give much better understanding of where we are as a country. I know I could not have done what you are doing.
    Thanks.

    I put most posters on here in the well off category,so no sympathy ;-)

    It's where I was born and brought up but in the last year or so,the place where I live in my eyes is not safe for me and my family ,partly down to the new wave of immigration.
    Oh im far from well off - JSA sign on Thursday.. got screwed over with UC - a great idea but put into practice it needs work and I was one of the guinea pigs..

    I can understand what you say. From what I see of places like Bradford, Dewsbury and parts of Hull I have no desire for where I was brought up - Exeter and parts of Devon to go the same way. It's why I admire you - we have a lot of 'Westies' where I am now (in East Riding) and fear I would not have had your courage and stayed. Continue to post here your views always resonate.
    Muslim immigration should end tomorrow. All of it. Unless Islam Enlightens, we should be encouraging them to LEAVE.

    I am pretty sure the LEAVE vote was in many ways a proxy for No More Muslims. Cruel and brutal as that may be, that is the case. People weren't allowed to say Stop Muslim Immigration they were only allowed to pull one silly lever with Take Back Control of Migration - so they pulled it.

    Without that, Remain would have won.

    British parents do not lie awake worrying about Spanish kids taking all the jobs in Pret. They do - I do - worry about Should I take my kid into Westminster, Why does my daughter look scared by women in the local supermarket in niqabs, etc
    Yup agree. But shhh some of us arent as well off as you and cant voice that openly.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2017
    Floater said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh Lord.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846470664278196225

    That really is rather poor
    Says quite a lot about Paul Dacre.

    In a way, it's interesting he's deciding to sexualise/feminise TM - It doesn't really fit with the *woman with balls* narrative they had going for a while.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Yorkcity said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Jacqui Smith! How the hell did I miss her out?

    I think I've largely erased the horrendous memories of the Blair/Brown years from my mind. I suppose most people have, it's a natural way of coping.

    Who did you rate John Reid ?
    John Reid was a talented minister, or at least I think he was. But Blair kept moving him around so he never got the opportunity to make any real impact.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Yorkcity said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Jacqui Smith! How the hell did I miss her out?

    I think I've largely erased the horrendous memories of the Blair/Brown years from my mind. I suppose most people have, it's a natural way of coping.

    Who did you rate John Reid ?
    John Reid was a talented minister, or at least I think he was. But Blair kept moving him around so he never got the opportunity to make any real impact.
    Also depends how much he had had to drink that day.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Pong said:

    Floater said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Oh Lord.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/846470664278196225

    That really is rather poor
    Says quite a lot about Paul Dacre.
    In what way ?
  • YossariansChildYossariansChild Posts: 536
    PeterMannion said:

    SeanT said:

    Roger said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    If Keir Starmer is the best Labour have got God help them. Having said that Remainers were by a distance the most persuasive.

    The Tories dodged a bullet when they didn't elect Davis.

    Is that the same David Davis that made Nick Clegg look a proper Charlie
    Well that certainly wasn't on Question Time tonight. Nick Clegg occasionally reminded us that he could have been a contender.....
    Clegg is the most awful lying c*nt. Promised an EU referendum in his manifesto, then decided that same referendum was a terrible, evil idea

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/eu-referendum-leaflet-will-haunt-clegg-today

    That's about as bad and basic a lie as you can get, in democratic politics. Clegg should leave British politics.
    You're very good at telling people you don't agree with to leave

    Can you take it as well as dish it out?
    Werent you killed in a shower whilst you soaped yourself up? Voice of London and all that? Or have I confused my peripheral characters?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2017
    The world has gone mad. 15 mins of prime time tv discussing whether this white woman is black or not

    https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/846465595105333252
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    isam said:

    The world has gone mad

    twitter.com/bbcworld/status/846465595105333252

    Is there a reason why they are giving this liar a platform?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    YossariansChild said:

    SeanT said:

    YossariansChild said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    YossariansChild said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    And Corbyn didn't even get to grab any pussy....

    Diane Abbott.
    Saw the post you posted on last thread,hope things improve for you.
    Thank you sir. Went to Bradford at the end of last year. Was a shock. Completely sympathise with all you say on here. I think if more people (by that I mean London folk) went to see what is happening in Bradford, Dewsbury etc it would give much better understanding of where we are as a country. I know I could not have done what you are doing.
    Thanks.

    I put most posters on here in the well off category,so no sympathy ;-)

    It's where I was born and brought up but in the last year or so,the place where I live in my eyes is not safe for me and my family ,partly down to the new wave of immigration.
    Oh im far from well off - JSA sign on Thursday.. got screwed over with UC - a great idea but put into practice it needs work and I was one of the guinea pigs..

    I can understand what you say. From what I see of places like Bradford, Dewsbury and parts of Hull I have no desire for where I was brought up - Exeter and parts of Devon to go the same way. It's why I admire you - we have a lot of 'Westies' where I am now (in East Riding) and fear I would not have had your courage and stayed. Continue to post here your views always resonate.
    Muslim immigration should end tomorrow. All of it. Unless Islam Enlightens, we should be encouraging them to LEAVE.

    I am pretty sure the LEAVE vote was in many ways a proxy for No More Muslims. Cruel and brutal as that may be, that is the case. People weren't allowed to say Stop Muslim Immigration they were only allowed to pull one silly lever with Take Back Control of Migration - so they pulled it.

    Without that, Remain would have won.

    British parents do not lie awake worrying about Spanish kids taking all the jobs in Pret. They do - I do - worry about Should I take my kid into Westminster, Why does my daughter look scared by women in the local supermarket in niqabs, etc
    Yup agree. But shhh some of us arent as well off as you and cant voice that openly.
    There's nothing controversial about Sean's opinion. It's shared by the President of the USA.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    isam said:

    The world has gone mad

    twitter.com/bbcworld/status/846465595105333252

    Is there a reason why they are giving this liar a platform?
    Got a book out, Carswellesque
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    isam said:

    The world has gone mad

    twitter.com/bbcworld/status/846465595105333252

    Is there a reason why they are giving this liar a platform?
    Got a book out, Carswellesque
    So if I tell some massive lies and then write a book, can I get an interview on the BBC to promote it? Bad Al seemed to do quite well out of that strategy.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    isam said:

    The world has gone mad

    twitter.com/bbcworld/status/846465595105333252

    Is there a reason why they are giving this liar a platform?
    Got a book out, Carswellesque
    So if I tell some massive lies and then write a book, can I get an interview on the BBC to promote it? Bad Al seemed to do quite well out of that strategy.
    It seems she had a horrific childhood that may have...

    Fuck me I'm falling for it!
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    isam said:

    The world has gone mad. 15 mins of prime time tv discussing whether this white woman is black or not

    It can only be a matter of time before they start treating the people who think they are animals the same way.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    isam said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    isam said:

    The world has gone mad

    twitter.com/bbcworld/status/846465595105333252

    Is there a reason why they are giving this liar a platform?
    Got a book out, Carswellesque
    So if I tell some massive lies and then write a book, can I get an interview on the BBC to promote it? Bad Al seemed to do quite well out of that strategy.
    It seems she had a horrific childhood that may have...

    Fuck me I'm falling for it!
    I don't think it is in doubt she is a very troubled individual.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    glw said:

    isam said:

    The world has gone mad. 15 mins of prime time tv discussing whether this white woman is black or not

    It can only be a matter of time before they start treating the people who think they are animals the same way.
    Quack quack....I believe that species are a lie...I am trans-species.
  • augustus_carpaugustus_carp Posts: 224
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    glw said:

    isam said:

    The world has gone mad. 15 mins of prime time tv discussing whether this white woman is black or not

    It can only be a matter of time before they start treating the people who think they are animals the same way.
    Quack quack....I believe that species are a lie...I am trans-species.
    ....and my wife and I are wildebeests.
    (Fake Gnus)
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    SeanT said:

    Starmer is abysmal.

    Yet he's the 5.75 favourite with Betfair to become the next Labour Leader.

    The somewhat more encouraging news is that in the same market, Betfair has the dreadful Ms Long-Bailey as having weakened out to 21.
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