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This reminds me of Janet Street-Porter being appointed editor of the Independent on Sunday; a figurehead who'll require a phalanx of good deputies to get the actual paper out. Usually you'd expect a title like "editor-at-large" or "consultant editor", but that wouldn't terrify May etc. as I expect this will.
The world just gets weirder.0 -
When TM the PM fired Osborne, I wonder if he said "If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"0
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Brown made the mess.Richard_Nabavi said:
The main difference is that Blair made the mess and Osborne cleared it up. Why do you ask?Casino_Royale said:What's the difference between Osborne and Tony Blair?
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Breaking: BBC announces Jeremy Corbyn to present 'Gardeners World'.0
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It's probably a terrible decision all round, but it's extremely funny.0
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Osborne's appointment reminds us once more just how much Brexit has adversely affected the establishment.0
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It is absolutely unacceptable for him to remain as an MP. Like Blair, he has no sense of duty to party or country beyond how they feature in his career plans.0
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Mr. Pubgoer, that's rather good.
Can't see Javid as Skywalker, though.0 -
Michael Foot was also editor of The Standard during the 40s.
But wasn't an MP at the time.0 -
And a probable by-election to boot, though it's likely to be uncompetitive unless Martin Bell would like his old seat back.AlastairMeeks said:It's probably a terrible decision all round, but it's extremely funny.
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The Standard under Lebedev is a personal hobby horse.Pulpstar said:Behind the amusing tweets, you can sense this appointment has boiled Jim Waterson's piss. I expect every journalist who has done the profession for years is similiarly rolling their eyes right now.
I think this gets to the heart of a very key question though
Is the media there to report the news, or is it there to make the news. In the long run it is this type of appointment that weakens trust in the media as a reporting vehicle.
The Brexiteer side of the media is at it too, with their deliberate campaign to undermine Hammond as CoTE. That ain't just REPORTING the news either
A sad state of affairs.0 -
Where do I subscribe for this most excellent london based newspaper? I'm happy to pay full price for it even though I'm somewhat sticks-based.......
A must read for all of us once the big O takes the helm....0 -
Osborne is indeed taking over from a Tory who no-one has ever heard of because she is becoming editor of Today.Wulfrun_Phil said:
No, what it will do is to give legs to Labour claims that the public cannot trust anything they read in the Tory Standard, undermining the credence anything critical of Sadiq Khan whether factually correct or not. Much better for Labour to have Osborne as editor than a dyed-in-the -wool Tory who the public has never heard of.Big_G_NorthWales said:George Osborne editor of the Evening Standard and Rupert Murdoch taking over Sky will have labour in a spin.
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Well, Ozzie has rather overshadowed The PM at the Tories spring conference.
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What a coincidence.PlatoSaid said:Well, Ozzie has rather overshadowed The PM at the Tories spring conference.
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Being an MP has to be the cushiest job in the country, an 86 year old can do it, now a bloke can do it whilst editing a daily paper (amongst other things).
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Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Next in the weird news queue: Michael Gove to play James Bond.0 -
I'd heard he was playing Compo in the relaunch of Last of the Summer Wine? Hillary Benn as Foggy and xxxxxx as Nora Batty [redacted for confidentiality reasons]rottenborough said:Breaking: BBC announces Jeremy Corbyn to present 'Gardeners World'.
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Of course, our foreign secretary is a journalist. Granted, he is ridiculous in the role.0
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Manhole monthly?rottenborough said:Breaking: BBC announces Jeremy Corbyn to present 'Gardeners World'.
Or is that misogynistic?
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It has to be part of a bigger picture. I should add that I don't necessarily think it's a bad appointment. His access to inside stories about the government will be almost worth it in and of itself. However, from a practical point of view, his remaining an MP is a potential snag. As his his complete lack of relevant experience in the field.williamglenn said:
Osborne must have a game plan. Perhaps he sees some way of using it to become the Macron of the UK?Bojabob said:
I have just read the story. He is going to remain as an MP?! WTF?! The paper will become a europhile cell endlessly attacking the government. Surely May will just remove the whip? This is the most bizarre story I have heard for many a year.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think he once did a bit of freelance journalism, that's it. If I remember correctly after uni he wanted to be one but nobody would have him and he ended up temping for the Tories.Bojabob said:I though the Ozzy/Standard story was a spoof. That is bizarre! Does he have any journalistic or editorial credentials? An absolute hoot of an appointment.
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NASA are insisting on brand-new boosters for their manned flights to the ISS. I don't know whether they'd stick their oar in and insist on it for SpaceX's private manned flights.Sandpit said:Once they get a few back and can see how they deteriorate with each flight, it should be (relatively) straightforward to improve them over time to deal with the stresses of multiple flights. My guess it that they'll use new ones for all the manned launches and refurbs for all the unmanned ones over time.
Saturn V 1st stage flyback would have been doable, if bloody difficult with the 1960s flight computers they were using. It never went that high (c. 200,000' from memory) but was absolutely enormous compared to anything landed before or since.
SS fuel talk would have been nearly impossible to get back to Earth though, it detached after eight minutes already half way across the Atlantic and with ridiculous forward speed - and no engines!
The space shuttle was a very different beast when they were talking about full reusability - some of the early designs were beautiful:
http://www.nss.org/resources/library/shuttledecision/chapter08.htm
(That link contains some great pictures of how the shuttle's design changed over time).
It became bigger to cope with the military's requirements, and the larger size meant the flyback booster became a behemoth:
http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=11739
I do wonder how it would have ended up if Max Faget's original plans had been funded.0 -
Scrapheap_as_was said:
I'd heard he was playing Compo in the relaunch of Last of the Summer Wine? Hillary Benn as Foggy and xxxxxx as Nora Batty [redacted for confidentiality reasons]rottenborough said:Breaking: BBC announces Jeremy Corbyn to present 'Gardeners World'.
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Which would apply to pretty much all of his predecessors.Wulfrun_Phil said:
No, what it will do is to give legs to Labour claims that the public cannot trust anything they read in the Tory Standard, undermining the credence anything critical of Sadiq Khan whether factually correct or not. Much better for Labour to have Osborne as editor than a dyed-in-the -wool Tory who the public has never heard of.Big_G_NorthWales said:George Osborne editor of the Evening Standard and Rupert Murdoch taking over Sky will have labour in a spin.
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Jack Tindale
Meanwhile, Andy Burnham's been appointed Managing Director of Puzzler.0 -
The scale of the operations are fairly clear from leaked documents.HurstLlama said:"today's intelligence services capture, store, index, and transcribe essentially everything they can get their hands on"
Really? How do you know?
GCHQ's Tempora is a 200 * 10 Gb/s system, storing three days of full data, and 30 days of metadata. It's described as "full take" and an "internet buffer". That's just one system, from 2012, that feeds into XKeyscore, which is the tool for searching across various data sources.
Another tool, the NSA's Boundless Informant, showed they were collection over 200 billion records a month, coming from over 500 sources.
You have programme's like MYSTIC which was an NSA programme to capture all of the phone calls in a target country, or which there were several, and store them for 30 days.
MAINWAY was another NSA programme with trillions of call records.
Those are the tip of the iceberg, there are many more similar reports about other programmes.0 -
Exactly. Khan now has a free pass to dismiss anything the Standard print about him as "Tory Propaganda".Wulfrun_Phil said:
No, what it will do is to give legs to Labour claims that the public cannot trust anything they read in the Tory Standard, undermining the credence anything critical of Sadiq Khan whether factually correct or not. Much better for Labour to have Osborne as editor than a dyed-in-the -wool Tory who the public has never heard of.Big_G_NorthWales said:George Osborne editor of the Evening Standard and Rupert Murdoch taking over Sky will have labour in a spin.
Mrs May and the government on the other hand, can expect a very pro-EU agenda from the paper that everyone's reading on the way home, I imagine Osborne will get summoned to see the Chief Whip sooner rather than later. Evens on a by-election in Tatton this year?
With that all said, GO has no real journalistic experience - unlike say Michael Gove. What will he actually be doing on a day to day basis other than chairing a couple of meetings and watching the paper's budget?0 -
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And to think, the papers have to top this on April 1.0
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Seconded - anything which annoys the London twitterati is definitely to be welcomed. He is very bright and twas one of May's biggest mistakes to sack him.TOPPING said:I think it's great. He is an interesting, intelligent character who has immense experience and understanding of world views and also those of London.
Looking forward to his first editorial. I assume (and hope) the word "independence"will feature strongly.0 -
EM's transition to national treasure status is going quite well. I now wish I'd voted for him in 2015.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Not sure how anything as out in the open as GO's employments can be a conspiracy. All it means is that people think he still has influence now, or will have again in the future.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I think we can all take it that there won't be any kissing and making up between George and Theresa any time soon.PlatoSaid said:Well, Ozzie has rather overshadowed The PM at the Tories spring conference.
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"I've always been in favour of wordsearches, but on the other hand I don't think we should have any more wordsearches in future."PlatoSaid said:Jack Tindale
Meanwhile, Andy Burnham's been appointed Managing Director of Puzzler.0 -
Now that job requires talent so we know it's fake newsrottenborough said:Breaking: BBC announces Jeremy Corbyn to present 'Gardeners World'.
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I wonder if this means that the Standard is going to change into something completely different from the current mix? As it stands today, it's hard, verging on impossible, to see what attraction it would have for Osborne and what attraction Osborne would have for it.0
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Indeed, Mr Choose. To loosely quote Mr. Hacker: £70k a year for a job that requires no qualifications, has no compulsory hours of work and no performance criteria but provides a warm room, subsidised accommodation in London along with cheap food and booze. You could fill every vacancy twenty-times over even if people had to pay.freetochoose said:Being an MP has to be the cushiest job in the country, an 86 year old can do it, now a bloke can do it whilst editing a daily paper (amongst other things).
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There are a number of politicians out there (from all parties) who seem rather keen to piss on Theresa's parade.AlastairMeeks said:It's probably a terrible decision all round, but it's extremely funny.
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Osborne in danger of becoming laughing stock?0
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Mr. Ace, Miliband seems personally likeable, but he still would have been an atrocious PM (and likely would've been in Sturgeon's pocket into the bargain).
He was utterly inept as Energy Secretary, and his commodity price-fixing policy was rightly derided in the 4th century by Ammianus Marcellinus.0 -
I have a hard time understanding why people are lamenting the lack of trust in the media. There never should have been such trust. All information should be queried, regardless of source.Casino_Royale said:
The Standard under Lebedev is a personal hobby horse.Pulpstar said:Behind the amusing tweets, you can sense this appointment has boiled Jim Waterson's piss. I expect every journalist who has done the profession for years is similiarly rolling their eyes right now.
I think this gets to the heart of a very key question though
Is the media there to report the news, or is it there to make the news. In the long run it is this type of appointment that weakens trust in the media as a reporting vehicle.
The Brexiteer side of the media is at it too, with their deliberate campaign to undermine Hammond as CoTE. That ain't just REPORTING the news either
A sad state of affairs.
It is impossible for any journalist, or any news outlet, to be objective. We are all biased by our experience and world outlook, mostly subconsciously. The mere selection of stories, no matter how much those stories might be seen as being purely factual, biases the news.0 -
Back of the net, Jess:
Jess Phillips MP @jessphillips
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That rather comes with the job, although she has deliberately made things worse for herself.Casino_Royale said:
There are a number of politicians out there (from all parties) who seem rather keen to piss on Theresa's parade.AlastairMeeks said:It's probably a terrible decision all round, but it's extremely funny.
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Ah okay, completely different design philosophy, more like what Virgin Galactic are doing to get the weight off the ground. Thanks for the links, very cool.JosiasJessop said:
NASA are insisting on brand-new boosters for their manned flights to the ISS. I don't know whether they'd stick their oar in and insist on it for SpaceX's private manned flights.Sandpit said:Once they get a few back and can see how they deteriorate with each flight, it should be (relatively) straightforward to improve them over time to deal with the stresses of multiple flights. My guess it that they'll use new ones for all the manned launches and refurbs for all the unmanned ones over time.
Saturn V 1st stage flyback would have been doable, if bloody difficult with the 1960s flight computers they were using. It never went that high (c. 200,000' from memory) but was absolutely enormous compared to anything landed before or since.
SS fuel talk would have been nearly impossible to get back to Earth though, it detached after eight minutes already half way across the Atlantic and with ridiculous forward speed - and no engines!
The space shuttle was a very different beast when they were talking about full reusability - some of the early designs were beautiful:
http://www.nss.org/resources/library/shuttledecision/chapter08.htm
(That link contains some great pictures of how the shuttle's design changed over time).
It became bigger to cope with the military's requirements, and the larger size meant the flyback booster became a behemoth:
http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=11739
I do wonder how it would have ended up if Max Faget's original plans had been funded.
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What will last longer?
Osborne's pledge to remain an MP 1/3
Hammond's Class IV NIC rise 9/4
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Wulfrun_Phil said:
No, what it will do is to give legs to Labour claims that the public cannot trust anything they read in the Tory Standard, undermining the credence anything critical of Sadiq Khan whether factually correct or not. Much better for Labour to have Osborne as editor than a dyed-in-the -wool Tory who the public has never heard of.Big_G_NorthWales said:George Osborne editor of the Evening Standard and Rupert Murdoch taking over Sky will have labour in a spin.
All this tizzy about GO and his editorship seems completely overblown from this side of the pond.
Labour supporters would already have dismissed stories and sources that do not fit their world view. No change there.
GO had no problems disseminating his dissent in Tory and other circles before this. No change there.
So, he has a new title. Nothing else has changed.0 -
The announcement of this less than an hour before Theresa's big speech at the Tory Spring Forum - just 2 weeks before A50 is invoked - is no accident.Richard_Nabavi said:
That rather comes with the job, although she has deliberately made things worse for herself.Casino_Royale said:
There are a number of politicians out there (from all parties) who seem rather keen to piss on Theresa's parade.AlastairMeeks said:It's probably a terrible decision all round, but it's extremely funny.
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The Standard is a very low budget newspaper with a tiny reporting staff. Presumably, the thinking is that Osborne can boost its roster of freebie columnists and raise its profile, so boosting ad income.Richard_Nabavi said:I wonder if this means that the Standard is going to change into something completely different from the current mix? As it stands today, it's hard, verging on impossible, to see what attraction it would have for Osborne and what attraction Osborne would have for it.
For his part, Osborne gets something that has a circulation of over 800,000 in the richest, most influential part of the UK and one of the world's most important cities. he can be absolutely certain it will now be read religiously by absolutely everyone who matters in Westminster, the City and elsewhere. It looks to be a great roe for him.
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Given how Theresa May has behaved towards George Osborne, can you really blame him?Casino_Royale said:
There are a number of politicians out there (from all parties) who seem rather keen to piss on Theresa's parade.AlastairMeeks said:It's probably a terrible decision all round, but it's extremely funny.
He's now given her an almighty short term headache (what does she do about his pledge to remain an MP) and a long term headache (how does she handle a newspaper editor who she has gratuitously made an enemy of).0 -
They'll have to think up some George Osborne jokes fast and make sure she rehearses them.Casino_Royale said:
The announcement of this less than an hour before Theresa's big speech at the Tory Spring Forum - just 2 weeks before A50 is invoked - is no accident.Richard_Nabavi said:
That rather comes with the job, although she has deliberately made things worse for herself.Casino_Royale said:
There are a number of politicians out there (from all parties) who seem rather keen to piss on Theresa's parade.AlastairMeeks said:It's probably a terrible decision all round, but it's extremely funny.
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They do not add up to your claim though. Indexing and transcribing that amount of data would be an impossible task, just think how many people it would need. Someone up-thread described this bulk data collection as capturing the haystack in case you subsequently want to search for the needle, that seems a lot more reasonable than the idea that there is a hidden army of people indexing and transcribing billions of gigabytes of data.glw said:
The scale of the operations are fairly clear from leaked documents.HurstLlama said:"today's intelligence services capture, store, index, and transcribe essentially everything they can get their hands on"
Really? How do you know?
GCHQ's Tempora is a 200 * 10 Gb/s system, storing three days of full data, and 30 days of metadata. It's described as "full take" and an "internet buffer". That's just one system, from 2012, that feeds into XKeyscore, which is the tool for searching across various data sources.
Another tool, the NSA's Boundless Informant, showed they were collection over 200 billion records a month, coming from over 500 sources.
You have programme's like MYSTIC which was an NSA programme to capture all of the phone calls in a target country, or which there were several, and store them for 30 days.
MAINWAY was another NSA programme with trillions of call records.
Those are the tip of the iceberg, there are many more similar reports about other programmes.
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But that's rather my point - as the paper stands at the moment, it's not particularly strong on political comment (though there is some), it's more a generalist mix with a large chunk of property-related stuff. So does this herald a transition to it becoming something different?SouthamObserver said:For his part, Osborne gets something that has a circulation of over 800,000 in the richest, most influential part of the UK and one of the world's most important cities. he can be absolutely certain it will now be read religiously by absolutely everyone who matters in Westminster, the City and elsewhere. It looks to be a great roe for him.
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It's done by software, not people. Think of it as an army of robots if you like.HurstLlama said:
They do not add up to your claim though. Indexing and transcribing that amount of data would be an impossible task, just think how many people it would need. Someone up-thread described this bulk data collection as capturing the haystack in case you subsequently want to search for the needle, that seems a lot more reasonable than the idea that there is a hidden army of people indexing and transcribing billions of gigabytes of data.glw said:
The scale of the operations are fairly clear from leaked documents.HurstLlama said:"today's intelligence services capture, store, index, and transcribe essentially everything they can get their hands on"
Really? How do you know?
GCHQ's Tempora is a 200 * 10 Gb/s system, storing three days of full data, and 30 days of metadata. It's described as "full take" and an "internet buffer". That's just one system, from 2012, that feeds into XKeyscore, which is the tool for searching across various data sources.
Another tool, the NSA's Boundless Informant, showed they were collection over 200 billion records a month, coming from over 500 sources.
You have programme's like MYSTIC which was an NSA programme to capture all of the phone calls in a target country, or which there were several, and store them for 30 days.
MAINWAY was another NSA programme with trillions of call records.
Those are the tip of the iceberg, there are many more similar reports about other programmes.0 -
Since Tatton is part of the Greater Manchester hinterland, could there be some wider ramifications up there not least for the forthcoming mayoral election? Osborne is reportedly quite happy to carry on pocketing his MP salary while patently taking up a full time job on a newspaper that seeks to speak for the interests of Londoners.0
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The machine is watching you, it sees everythingglw said:
The scale of the operations are fairly clear from leaked documents.HurstLlama said:"today's intelligence services capture, store, index, and transcribe essentially everything they can get their hands on"
Really? How do you know?
GCHQ's Tempora is a 200 * 10 Gb/s system, storing three days of full data, and 30 days of metadata. It's described as "full take" and an "internet buffer". That's just one system, from 2012, that feeds into XKeyscore, which is the tool for searching across various data sources.
Another tool, the NSA's Boundless Informant, showed they were collection over 200 billion records a month, coming from over 500 sources.
You have programme's like MYSTIC which was an NSA programme to capture all of the phone calls in a target country, or which there were several, and store them for 30 days.
MAINWAY was another NSA programme with trillions of call records.
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Yep, sorry. I guess it must do. More politics and more Chelsea.Richard_Nabavi said:
But that's rather my point - as the paper stands at the moment, it's not particularly strong on political comment (though there is some), it's more a generalist mix with a large chunk of property-related stuff. So does this herald a transition to it becoming something different?SouthamObserver said:For his part, Osborne gets something that has a circulation of over 800,000 in the richest, most influential part of the UK and one of the world's most important cities. he can be absolutely certain it will now be read religiously by absolutely everyone who matters in Westminster, the City and elsewhere. It looks to be a great roe for him.
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Incidentally, whilst the Standard may be read in London and by the great and the good elsewhere, if it becomes an EU-phile paper constantly trying to undermine May [severe conjecture, I know, but that's what we're doing before we see what happens], it may serve more to deepen the sense of division between London and the rest of England, between the great unwashed and the liberal metropolitan elite.
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Who said this then?
"If you vote for the SNP you are not voting for independence you are not even voting for another independence referendum
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-04-13/sturgeon-a-vote-for-snp-is-not-a-vote-for-independence/0 -
Perhaps he's looking to use it as a spring board to Mayor of London? Given May's reported antipathy towards him, it may be the closest he gets to power before 2025.Richard_Nabavi said:
But that's rather my point - as the paper stands at the moment, it's not particularly strong on political comment (though there is some), it's more a generalist mix with a large chunk of property-related stuff. So does this herald a transition to it becoming something different?SouthamObserver said:For his part, Osborne gets something that has a circulation of over 800,000 in the richest, most influential part of the UK and one of the world's most important cities. he can be absolutely certain it will now be read religiously by absolutely everyone who matters in Westminster, the City and elsewhere. It looks to be a great roe for him.
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So we will have Boris/Telegraph undermining Hammond and Standard/Osborne undermining May as the official opposition, and the official opposition now :> ?0
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No, I don't think that most Labour supporters do dismiss everything the Standard says. The Standard like all monopolistic regional papers can only maximise its sales by appealing across the political spectrum, and that moderates somewhat its overt political bias. Appointing Osborne - one of the most well known Tories and a highly unpopular one to boot - amounts to the Standard shouting its political bias from the rooftops and thus it will clearly carry a bit less clout from now on because it will be so easy to dismiss what is written in its pages.MTimT said:Wulfrun_Phil said:
No, what it will do is to give legs to Labour claims that the public cannot trust anything they read in the Tory Standard, undermining the credence anything critical of Sadiq Khan whether factually correct or not. Much better for Labour to have Osborne as editor than a dyed-in-the -wool Tory who the public has never heard of.Big_G_NorthWales said:George Osborne editor of the Evening Standard and Rupert Murdoch taking over Sky will have labour in a spin.
All this tizzy about GO and his editorship seems completely overblown from this side of the pond.
Labour supporters would already have dismissed stories and sources that do not fit their world view. No change there.
GO had no problems disseminating his dissent in Tory and other circles before this. No change there.
So, he has a new title. Nothing else has changed.
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Of course I'm not talking about people doing the indexing and transcribing, computers do it, the only reason this bulk collection of data can work is because computers automate it, it would be completely impractical if human beings were required to do the heavy lifting.HurstLlama said:Indexing and transcribing that amount of data would be an impossible task, just think how many people it would need. Someone up-thread described this bulk data collection as capturing the haystack in case you subsequently want to search for the needle, that seems a lot more reasonable than the idea that there is a hidden army of people indexing and transcribing billions of gigabytes of data.
It is clear though that a huge amount of data is collected and stored permanently. Essentially every type of data passing through every network is a target. The collection is not targeted, the analysis of the data is only useful if the collection is as complete as is possible. Which is why phrases like "full take" are often used to describe programmes.
The point I'm making is this hoovering up of every bit of data they can get their hands on is not "mass surveillance" if you believe the people who do it. That is a barmy assertion in my opinion.0 -
Let's face it, the "Official" Official Opposition appear to be neglecting their role somewhat at the moment!Pulpstar said:So we will have Boris/Telegraph undermining Hammond and Standard/Osborne undermining May as the official opposition, and the official opposition now :> ?
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Carlotta
Even by your standards that is poor. Nicola's mandate is based on the 2016 manifesto i.e. 300 days ago which was not only clear but a major party of the debate.
In a week where manifesto commitments have been rather important it is pretty conclusive.
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Yes, they are useless. The SNP, Telegraph&Tombstoners and now Osborne/Standard are picking up various batons.Sandpit said:
Let's face it, the "Official" Official Opposition appear to be neglecting their role somewhat at the moment!Pulpstar said:So we will have Boris/Telegraph undermining Hammond and Standard/Osborne undermining May as the official opposition, and the official opposition now :> ?
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I do wonder if, as the next few days rumble on and especially if the BBC run with it, that George's position as an MP will become untenable and he'll be forced to resign and trigger a by-election.0
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So Nicola lied in the TV interview but told the truth in the manifesto?scotslass said:Carlotta
Even by your standards that is poor. Nicola's mandate is based on the 2016 manifesto i.e. 300 days ago which was not only clear but a major party of the debate.
In a week where manifesto commitments have been rather important it is pretty conclusive.
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Mr. Valiant, a by-election seems eminently possible.
Welcome to pb.com, by the way.
It already feels like we've had the most by-elections in a Parliament for some time, and we're not even two years into it.0 -
Given comments about the unease of the Tory MP's I wonder if instead he'll say - "As Editor I not only need to be independent, but be seen to be independant - I am thus resigning the Tory whip but will continue to sit as the MP for Tatton as an Independant"TheValiant said:I do wonder if, as the next few days rumble on and especially if the BBC run with it, that George's position as an MP will become untenable and he'll be forced to resign and trigger a by-election.
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Looks like George Osborne took Theresa May's advice and learned some emotional intelligence, that's why he's so much in demand, first BlackRock now The Standard.0
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Different manifestos !CarlottaVance said:
So Nicola lied in the TV interview but told the truth in the manifesto?scotslass said:Carlotta
Even by your standards that is poor. Nicola's mandate is based on the 2016 manifesto i.e. 300 days ago which was not only clear but a major party of the debate.
In a week where manifesto commitments have been rather important it is pretty conclusive.
That's the argument is it?0 -
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"I've always been in favour of wordsearches, but on the other hand I don't think we should have any more wordsearches in future."PlatoSaid said:Jack Tindale
Meanwhile, Andy Burnham's been appointed Managing Director of Puzzler.
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That wouldn't resolve the two jobs issue, which I think is more likely to annoy the public.Lennon said:
Given comments about the unease of the Tory MP's I wonder if instead he'll say - "As Editor I not only need to be independent, but be seen to be independant - I am thus resigning the Tory whip but will continue to sit as the MP for Tatton as an Independant"TheValiant said:I do wonder if, as the next few days rumble on and especially if the BBC run with it, that George's position as an MP will become untenable and he'll be forced to resign and trigger a by-election.
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In 2015.CarlottaVance said:Who said this then?
"If you vote for the SNP you are not voting for independence you are not even voting for another independence referendum
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-04-13/sturgeon-a-vote-for-snp-is-not-a-vote-for-independence/0 -
Do you believe the words you type or are you actively trolling?CarlottaVance said:
So Nicola lied in the TV interview but told the truth in the manifesto?scotslass said:Carlotta
Even by your standards that is poor. Nicola's mandate is based on the 2016 manifesto i.e. 300 days ago which was not only clear but a major party of the debate.
In a week where manifesto commitments have been rather important it is pretty conclusive.
That's the argument is it?0
