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If Theresa May wishes to create some new working peers, I am quite happy to serve my party and country.0
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So am ITheScreamingEagles said:If Theresa May wishes to create some new working peers, I am quite happy to serve my party and country.
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She shouldn't create any new peers.
But only if a bunch of unrepresentative relic LDs are kicked out.0 -
Seems unlikely that new peers will be required. Labour have said they won't obstruct the bill if it gets sent back with the amendments removed.0
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I wonder how loyal TSE would be to a May government...TheScreamingEagles said:If Theresa May wishes to create some new working peers, I am quite happy to serve my party and country.
edit: Not as loyal as Big_G_NorthWales...
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Do you think that peers should be representative? Are you in favour of an elected upper chamber?ThreeQuidder said:She shouldn't create any new peers.
But only if a bunch of unrepresentative relic LDs are kicked out.0 -
Seriously folks, bugger the class system.0
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She could appoint a number of UKIP and DUP peers as well as conservatives0
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Wouldn't you be tarred with the brush of Osborne's stooge?TheScreamingEagles said:If Theresa May wishes to create some new working peers, I am quite happy to serve my party and country.
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I wouldn'tHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Wouldn't you be tarred with the brush of Osborne's stooge?TheScreamingEagles said:If Theresa May wishes to create some new working peers, I am quite happy to serve my party and country.
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I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Well saidRobD said:
I wonder how loyal TSE would be to a May government...TheScreamingEagles said:If Theresa May wishes to create some new working peers, I am quite happy to serve my party and country.
edit: Not as loyal as Big_G_NorthWales...0 -
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
That sounds reasonable. They've taken the opportunity to make their point, have listened to the PM and the Commons, and won't tie the hands of the negotiation team on such a major issue. So, despite the grandstanding on all sides, the process should work as expected.RobD said:Seems unlikely that new peers will be required. Labour have said they won't obstruct the bill if it gets sent back with the amendments removed.
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The Three Brexiteers are lined up for the Sunday shows.0
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But we could do without the scandals (UKIP) or the damage to the NI peace process (DUP).Big_G_NorthWales said:She could appoint a number of UKIP and DUP peers as well as conservatives
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I hope all the new found converts to Lords reform maintain their zeal after A50 is done and dusted there.Sandpit said:
That sounds reasonable. They've taken the opportunity to make their point, have listened to the PM and the Commons, and won't tie the hands of the negotiation team on such a major issue. So, despite the grandstanding on all sides, the process should work as expected.RobD said:Seems unlikely that new peers will be required. Labour have said they won't obstruct the bill if it gets sent back with the amendments removed.
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Does repealing the 99 act count as reform?Pulpstar said:
I hope all the new found converts to Lords reform maintain their zeal after A50 is done and dusted there.Sandpit said:
That sounds reasonable. They've taken the opportunity to make their point, have listened to the PM and the Commons, and won't tie the hands of the negotiation team on such a major issue. So, despite the grandstanding on all sides, the process should work as expected.RobD said:Seems unlikely that new peers will be required. Labour have said they won't obstruct the bill if it gets sent back with the amendments removed.
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I wish.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Wouldn't you be tarred with the brush of Osborne's stooge?TheScreamingEagles said:If Theresa May wishes to create some new working peers, I am quite happy to serve my party and country.
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Quite right Mike - the Lib Dems have a nifty little power base in the Lords and we wouldn't want that diluted would we.0
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LDs shouldn't use 'winning here' bar charts till they've actually 'won here'...0
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You couldn't take someone with THOSE shoes seriouslyHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Wouldn't you be tarred with the brush of Osborne's stooge?TheScreamingEagles said:If Theresa May wishes to create some new working peers, I am quite happy to serve my party and country.
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Lol No.RobD said:
Does repealing the 99 act count as reform?Pulpstar said:
I hope all the new found converts to Lords reform maintain their zeal after A50 is done and dusted there.Sandpit said:
That sounds reasonable. They've taken the opportunity to make their point, have listened to the PM and the Commons, and won't tie the hands of the negotiation team on such a major issue. So, despite the grandstanding on all sides, the process should work as expected.RobD said:Seems unlikely that new peers will be required. Labour have said they won't obstruct the bill if it gets sent back with the amendments removed.
House of Lords elected in thirds every 5 years by seats containing 5 members each in STV. 600 members to match the commons.
40 seats every 5 years (200 peers), 15 year terms. 1 term only per lifetime.0 -
Also, TSE, that was not a blistering attack.0
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I have no idea, but it seems to me a possibility that if the non-tory peers get the idea that she is trying to nullify the House by swamping it, they will close ranks against her, in which case just appointing a dozen or so is not going to be effective.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
No.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.
"The speaker of the House of Lords has warned Theresa May against stuffing the Chamber with new peers in a bid to get Brexit through.
Lord Fowler, a Tory peer until he took up the speaker's post in the Chamber, intervened after threats that ministers might "do a Lloyd George and create a thousand peers" to pass the Government’s Brexit legislation if those already in the Lords opposed it.
He said the upper chamber would not "sabotage" Brexit, while pointing out that the House is already too large and that Ms May should "move away from the example" of David Cameron when it came to approving large numbers of new peers."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/speaker-house-of-lords-theresa-may-lord-fowler-create-new-tory-peers-brexit-legislation-lloyd-george-a7512496.html0 -
Yeah, which is why I don't think she'll appoint any more than is normal. Don't expect any new LD nominations in the coming years thoughIshmael_Z said:
I have no idea, but it seems to me a possibility that if the non-tory peers get the idea that she is trying to nullify the House by swamping it, they will close ranks against her, in which case just appointing a dozen or so is not going to be effective.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform. 0 -
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
If they created a thousand new peers the Lords will be do nothing but introducing members for the rest of the Parliament!logical_song said:
No.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.
"The speaker of the House of Lords has warned Theresa May against stuffing the Chamber with new peers in a bid to get Brexit through.
Lord Fowler, a Tory peer until he took up the speaker's post in the Chamber, intervened after threats that ministers might "do a Lloyd George and create a thousand peers" to pass the Government’s Brexit legislation if those already in the Lords opposed it.
He said the upper chamber would not "sabotage" Brexit, while pointing out that the House is already too large and that Ms May should "move away from the example" of David Cameron when it came to approving large numbers of new peers."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/speaker-house-of-lords-theresa-may-lord-fowler-create-new-tory-peers-brexit-legislation-lloyd-george-a7512496.html0 -
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
I think with those already in the HOL they would be in good companylogical_song said:
But we could do without the scandals (UKIP) or the damage to the NI peace process (DUP).Big_G_NorthWales said:She could appoint a number of UKIP and DUP peers as well as conservatives
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She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Tory peers were among the first to demand Ms May let Parliament vote on the deal that she strikes with the EU.RobD said:
Yeah, which is why I don't think she'll appoint any more than is normal. Don't expect any new LD nominations in the coming years thoughIshmael_Z said:
I have no idea, but it seems to me a possibility that if the non-tory peers get the idea that she is trying to nullify the House by swamping it, they will close ranks against her, in which case just appointing a dozen or so is not going to be effective.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Paging alumni of Cowley Tech
More proof, if proof were needed, that Oxford University is a complete dump.
Three members of the Unite union with close links to Len McCluskey and Jeremy Corbyn “ran rings around the room” at a Labour National Executive Committee hearing into claims of antisemitism and bullying at Oxford University’s Labour Club.
https://www.thejc.com/news/news-features/unions-were-behind-oxford-probe-cover-up-1.4340790 -
I'm in favour of an upper chamber elected proportionally to Commons votes, with perhaps a very small number of appropriate crossbench specialists.logical_song said:
Do you think that peers should be representative? Are you in favour of an elected upper chamber?ThreeQuidder said:She shouldn't create any new peers.
But only if a bunch of unrepresentative relic LDs are kicked out.0 -
13 Tory peers voted for that amendment, 208 did not.logical_song said:
Tory peers were among the first to demand Ms May let Parliament vote on the deal that she strikes with the EU.RobD said:
Yeah, which is why I don't think she'll appoint any more than is normal. Don't expect any new LD nominations in the coming years thoughIshmael_Z said:
I have no idea, but it seems to me a possibility that if the non-tory peers get the idea that she is trying to nullify the House by swamping it, they will close ranks against her, in which case just appointing a dozen or so is not going to be effective.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform. 0 -
200 new peers should do it, with JohnO of this parish at the top of the list.0
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It would be a silly and petty reaction to the Lords being obstructive, when change should be undertaken with more care. But given Labour are committed to Brexit, how much ping pong will the Lords really engage in having made their point.logical_song said:
No.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.
"The speaker of the House of Lords has warned Theresa May against stuffing the Chamber with new peers in a bid to get Brexit through.
Lord Fowler, a Tory peer until he took up the speaker's post in the Chamber, intervened after threats that ministers might "do a Lloyd George and create a thousand peers" to pass the Government’s Brexit legislation if those already in the Lords opposed it.
He said the upper chamber would not "sabotage" Brexit, while pointing out that the House is already too large and that Ms May should "move away from the example" of David Cameron when it came to approving large numbers of new peers."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/speaker-house-of-lords-theresa-may-lord-fowler-create-new-tory-peers-brexit-legislation-lloyd-george-a7512496.html
As for not doing it until the elections stuff is cleared up, well, given how long it takes and how much there is to look into, she'd have to wait a long time.0 -
First blood to Ireland. These midnight evening kickoffs are annoying though.0
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I have a concern.
It seems to me that betting on politics may become a little like betting on clown racing. I imagine others, like I, have a certain social standing to maintain, and as such the current crowd of politicians is becoming something of a liability.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
According to my current plan the purveyors of false mustaches should be in for a killing.0 -
Clearly Ukip need greater representation in the Lords. I am very much available if the PM doesn't want to stuff the Lords with Tories.0
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IDS calling for an NI hike review.
More proof if it was needed that it is an excellent idea.0 -
The Tory whipping of the Lords (ooh, err!) has been very good indeed over the past couple of years. Could be a late night for them on Monday though, hope they've all booked a room in their club.RobD said:
13 Tory peers voted for that amendment, 208 did not.logical_song said:
Tory peers were among the first to demand Ms May let Parliament vote on the deal that she strikes with the EU.RobD said:
Yeah, which is why I don't think she'll appoint any more than is normal. Don't expect any new LD nominations in the coming years thoughIshmael_Z said:
I have no idea, but it seems to me a possibility that if the non-tory peers get the idea that she is trying to nullify the House by swamping it, they will close ranks against her, in which case just appointing a dozen or so is not going to be effective.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
I agree.Pulpstar said:IDS calling for an NI hike review.
More proof if it was needed that it is an excellent idea.
Stick to your guns Phil!0 -
You don't have to go all the way to Oxford to find antisemitism. I'm fairly confident you'd find it closer to home if you cared to look.TheScreamingEagles said:Paging alumni of Cowley Tech
More proof, if proof were needed, that Oxford University is a complete dump.
Three members of the Unite union with close links to Len McCluskey and Jeremy Corbyn “ran rings around the room” at a Labour National Executive Committee hearing into claims of antisemitism and bullying at Oxford University’s Labour Club.
https://www.thejc.com/news/news-features/unions-were-behind-oxford-probe-cover-up-1.4340790 -
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
At the best university in Cambridge after Anglia Ruskin, they do anti-semitism off their own bat - Labour party input not required: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/antisemitic-attack-victims-demand-apology-from-cambridge-university-authorities-1.148004TheScreamingEagles said:Paging alumni of Cowley Tech
More proof, if proof were needed, that Oxford University is a complete dump.
Three members of the Unite union with close links to Len McCluskey and Jeremy Corbyn “ran rings around the room” at a Labour National Executive Committee hearing into claims of antisemitism and bullying at Oxford University’s Labour Club.
https://www.thejc.com/news/news-features/unions-were-behind-oxford-probe-cover-up-1.4340790 -
The lib dems are reported to be bringing in 90 bunk bedsSandpit said:
The Tory whipping of the Lords (ooh, err!) has been very good indeed over the past couple of years. Could be a late night for them on Monday though, hope they've all booked a room in their club.RobD said:
13 Tory peers voted for that amendment, 208 did not.logical_song said:
Tory peers were among the first to demand Ms May let Parliament vote on the deal that she strikes with the EU.RobD said:
Yeah, which is why I don't think she'll appoint any more than is normal. Don't expect any new LD nominations in the coming years thoughIshmael_Z said:
I have no idea, but it seems to me a possibility that if the non-tory peers get the idea that she is trying to nullify the House by swamping it, they will close ranks against her, in which case just appointing a dozen or so is not going to be effective.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
All for naught if Labour concede after the first ping/pong.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The lib dems are reported to be bringing in 90 bunk bedsSandpit said:
The Tory whipping of the Lords (ooh, err!) has been very good indeed over the past couple of years. Could be a late night for them on Monday though, hope they've all booked a room in their club.RobD said:
13 Tory peers voted for that amendment, 208 did not.logical_song said:
Tory peers were among the first to demand Ms May let Parliament vote on the deal that she strikes with the EU.RobD said:
Yeah, which is why I don't think she'll appoint any more than is normal. Don't expect any new LD nominations in the coming years thoughIshmael_Z said:
I have no idea, but it seems to me a possibility that if the non-tory peers get the idea that she is trying to nullify the House by swamping it, they will close ranks against her, in which case just appointing a dozen or so is not going to be effective.RobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
She's stuck between a trade bloc and a hard Brexit.Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
Your coat, sir!williamglenn said:
She's stuck between a trade bloc and a hard Brexit.Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Can't believe all the brexiteers going wibbly over what might happen. They need to man up.williamglenn said:
She's stuck between a trade bloc and a hard Brexit.Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Their projected share in 2013 was just 29% so you'd expect them to gain seats this time I think. Not sure who thought they'd lose them.RobD said:
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
I can't see the Tories losing anything in England. These elections are the Brexitshire heartlands.RobD said:
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
I think MarkSenior's head would explode...AndyJS said:
Their projected share in 2013 was just 29% so you'd expect them to gain seats this time I think. Not sure who thought they'd lose them.RobD said:
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2% 0 -
Both Our Genial Host, and the Crosby prophet reckon it is very very difficult for May to get out of the FTPA. I have been laying an election this year mainly on their dual wisdom.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Damn straight. I'd like to be Baron Leveson Gower of Knaphill and St Johns.Pulpstar said:
I think you should definitely get something for hitting the woodwork in terms of aristocratic/landed gentry happenstance.tlg86 said:Clearly Ukip need greater representation in the Lords. I am very much available if the PM doesn't want to stuff the Lords with Tories.
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They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
His trousers certainly wouldRobD said:
I think MarkSenior's head would explode...AndyJS said:
Their projected share in 2013 was just 29% so you'd expect them to gain seats this time I think. Not sure who thought they'd lose them.RobD said:
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
If 2/3 of the Commons (434 MPs) vote for the motion, then an election we shall have. It's unlikely to pass only because this is the only time in living memory that the official opposition don't want one!Pulpstar said:
Both Our Genial Host, and the Crosby prophet reckon it is very very difficult for May to get out of the FTPA. I have been laying an election this year mainly on their dual wisdom.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.
FWIW I agree with you that - if the A50 bill goes through next week - the 2017 election is a lay. I've backed 2019 and 2020.0 -
People over 23 getting excited about where they went to college need to closely examine their lives....TheScreamingEagles said:Paging alumni of Cowley Tech
More proof, if proof were needed, that Oxford University is a complete dump.
Three members of the Unite union with close links to Len McCluskey and Jeremy Corbyn “ran rings around the room” at a Labour National Executive Committee hearing into claims of antisemitism and bullying at Oxford University’s Labour Club.
https://www.thejc.com/news/news-features/unions-were-behind-oxford-probe-cover-up-1.4340790 -
Look at Tony Blair's woeful underperformance in 1997. Shockingly poor vote he got.TheScreamingEagles said:ttps://twitter.com/drjennings/status/840147227335041024
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It is an important story about current politics given influence of Len McCluskey on Jeremy Corbyn.matt said:
People over 23 getting excited about where they went to college need to closely examine their lives....TheScreamingEagles said:Paging alumni of Cowley Tech
More proof, if proof were needed, that Oxford University is a complete dump.
Three members of the Unite union with close links to Len McCluskey and Jeremy Corbyn “ran rings around the room” at a Labour National Executive Committee hearing into claims of antisemitism and bullying at Oxford University’s Labour Club.
https://www.thejc.com/news/news-features/unions-were-behind-oxford-probe-cover-up-1.4340790 -
She needs the agreement of either Labour or the Lords.Pulpstar said:
Both Our Genial Host, and the Crosby prophet reckon it is very very difficult for May to get out of the FTPA. I have been laying an election this year mainly on their dual wisdom.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
That would count as, and be seen as, voting against.justin124 said:
They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
I don't think I've found a single model or past historical precedent that is any good for Corbyn so far.Sandpit said:
Look at Tony Blair's woeful underperformance in 1997. Shockingly poor vote he got.TheScreamingEagles said:ttps://twitter.com/drjennings/status/840147227335041024
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Yes, for this particular vote an abstention is a vote against. They'd take the day off and moan about the Tories wasting valuable Parliamentary time with a vanity project - or some such flowery language as to why they don't want to let the people have their say. Could be close if the SNP were in favour of the election though, a couple of dozen Lab 'rebels' could see the motion pass.justin124 said:
They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Sandpit said:
Look at Tony Blair's woeful underperformance in 1997. Shockingly poor vote he got.TheScreamingEagles said:ttps://twitter.com/drjennings/status/840147227335041024
Blair = Icarus.
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Cowley Tech rather gave the game away.TheScreamingEagles said:
It is an important story about current politics given influence of Len McCluskey on Jeremy Corbyn.matt said:
People over 23 getting excited about where they went to college need to closely examine their lives....TheScreamingEagles said:Paging alumni of Cowley Tech
More proof, if proof were needed, that Oxford University is a complete dump.
Three members of the Unite union with close links to Len McCluskey and Jeremy Corbyn “ran rings around the room” at a Labour National Executive Committee hearing into claims of antisemitism and bullying at Oxford University’s Labour Club.
https://www.thejc.com/news/news-features/unions-were-behind-oxford-probe-cover-up-1.4340790 -
Such rebels would be effectively deselected by being denied NEC endorsement.Sandpit said:
Yes, for this particular vote an abstention is a vote against. They'd take the day off and moan about the Tories wasting valuable Parliamentary time with a vanity project - or some such flowery language as to why they don't want to let the people have their say. Could be close if the SNP were in favour of the election though, a couple of dozen Lab 'rebels' could see the motion pass.justin124 said:
They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
"Reasons to vote for Democrats" tops Amazon bestseller list.
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Not all of them. Kent, Essex, the Midlands, Devon, Cornwall, the North and Midlands, certainly. But, parts of the Home Counties, and the M3 and M4 corridors had high Remain votes, and should be good for the Lib Dems.Pulpstar said:
I can't see the Tories losing anything in England. These elections are the Brexitshire heartlands.RobD said:
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
I really don't believe that Brexit is going to be a major factor in determining how people vote.Sean_F said:
Not all of them. Kent, Essex, the Midlands, Devon, Cornwall, the North and Midlands, certainly. But, parts of the Home Counties, and the M3 and M4 corridors had high Remain votes, and should be good for the Lib Dems.Pulpstar said:
I can't see the Tories losing anything in England. These elections are the Brexitshire heartlands.RobD said:
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
You're obsessed with rules; politics is all about pushing boundaries.justin124 said:
Such rebels would be effectively deselected by being denied NEC endorsement.Sandpit said:
Yes, for this particular vote an abstention is a vote against. They'd take the day off and moan about the Tories wasting valuable Parliamentary time with a vanity project - or some such flowery language as to why they don't want to let the people have their say. Could be close if the SNP were in favour of the election though, a couple of dozen Lab 'rebels' could see the motion pass.justin124 said:
They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
Oh for goodness sake. Get a grip. Theresa May is PM. The election result is not going to be overturned.0
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DavidL said:
Oh for goodness sake. Get a grip. Theresa May is PM. The election result is not going to be overturned.
But if it was overturned, would that mean that everything done since May 2015 would be null and void?
Then maybe the referendum never happened, and the result overturned!
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It'd be like that bit in Dallas when a whole series had just been a dream.MarkHopkins said:DavidL said:Oh for goodness sake. Get a grip. Theresa May is PM. The election result is not going to be overturned.
But if it was overturned, would that mean that everything done since May 2015 would be null and void?
Then maybe the referendum never happened, and the result overturned!0 -
I am sure that if 30 Tory MPs refused to vote for such a motion they would face difficulties with their associations or Tory Central Office.Mortimer said:
You're obsessed with rules; politics is all about pushing boundaries.justin124 said:
Such rebels would be effectively deselected by being denied NEC endorsement.Sandpit said:
Yes, for this particular vote an abstention is a vote against. They'd take the day off and moan about the Tories wasting valuable Parliamentary time with a vanity project - or some such flowery language as to why they don't want to let the people have their say. Could be close if the SNP were in favour of the election though, a couple of dozen Lab 'rebels' could see the motion pass.justin124 said:
They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
SeanT said:
Top tier international rugby is probably the most entertaining TV sport on the planet. Discuss.
Well, after Beach Volleyball I suppose.
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Don't you believe it - the funding cuts to councils are going to hit them hard...Lib Dems will do well in their areas but not so sure about Labour areasPulpstar said:
I can't see the Tories losing anything in England. These elections are the Brexitshire heartlands.RobD said:
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
The Cheltenham Festival starts Tuesday.SeanT said:Top tier international rugby is probably the most entertaining TV sport on the planet. Discuss.
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Does that mean that I need to pay back my Brexit winnings ?MarkHopkins said:DavidL said:Oh for goodness sake. Get a grip. Theresa May is PM. The election result is not going to be overturned.
But if it was overturned, would that mean that everything done since May 2015 would be null and void?
Then maybe the referendum never happened, and the result overturned!0 -
tlg86 said:
It'd be like that bit in Dallas when a whole series had just been a dream.MarkHopkins said:DavidL said:Oh for goodness sake. Get a grip. Theresa May is PM. The election result is not going to be overturned.
But if it was overturned, would that mean that everything done since May 2015 would be null and void?
Then maybe the referendum never happened, and the result overturned!
But who will emerge from the shower?
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No.MarkHopkins said:DavidL said:Oh for goodness sake. Get a grip. Theresa May is PM. The election result is not going to be overturned.
But if it was overturned, would that mean that everything done since May 2015 would be null and void?
Then maybe the referendum never happened, and the result overturned!0 -
I'd hope that'd resonate more than it probably will do.TheKrakenAwakes said:
Don't you believe it - the funding cuts to councils are going to hit them hard...Lib Dems will do well in their areas but not so sure about Labour areasPulpstar said:
I can't see the Tories losing anything in England. These elections are the Brexitshire heartlands.RobD said:
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
Wouldn't that just make it even funnier (or more farcical, depending on your point of view)?justin124 said:
Such rebels would be effectively deselected by being denied NEC endorsement.Sandpit said:
Yes, for this particular vote an abstention is a vote against. They'd take the day off and moan about the Tories wasting valuable Parliamentary time with a vanity project - or some such flowery language as to why they don't want to let the people have their say. Could be close if the SNP were in favour of the election though, a couple of dozen Lab 'rebels' could see the motion pass.justin124 said:
They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.
Imagine the conversation: "Sorry, we are suspending you for voting to hold an election". It would have the potential to cause big splits, with rejected MPs standing as incumbent independents, possibly turning safe seats into marginals.0 -
OGH is talking out of his bar chart.
Lord Scrap of Heap (proposed)0 -
If you're getting a peerage, I wanted to be ennobled as a Duke.Scrapheap_as_was said:OGH is talking out of his bar chart.
Lord Scrap of Heap (proposed)0 -
Scrapheap_as_was said:
OGH is talking out of his bar chart.
Lord Scrap of Heap (proposed)
Tory MPs are not frit.justin124 said:
I am sure that if 30 Tory MPs refused to vote for such a motion they would face difficulties with their associations or Tory Central Office.Mortimer said:
You're obsessed with rules; politics is all about pushing boundaries.justin124 said:
Such rebels would be effectively deselected by being denied NEC endorsement.Sandpit said:
Yes, for this particular vote an abstention is a vote against. They'd take the day off and moan about the Tories wasting valuable Parliamentary time with a vanity project - or some such flowery language as to why they don't want to let the people have their say. Could be close if the SNP were in favour of the election though, a couple of dozen Lab 'rebels' could see the motion pass.justin124 said:
They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0 -
But that would not be the political reality. They would almost certainly end up being expelled for voting for an election at a time when Labour faced being massacred.Sandpit said:
Wouldn't that just make it even funnier (or more farcical, depending on your point of view)?justin124 said:
Such rebels would be effectively deselected by being denied NEC endorsement.Sandpit said:
Yes, for this particular vote an abstention is a vote against. They'd take the day off and moan about the Tories wasting valuable Parliamentary time with a vanity project - or some such flowery language as to why they don't want to let the people have their say. Could be close if the SNP were in favour of the election though, a couple of dozen Lab 'rebels' could see the motion pass.justin124 said:
They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.
Imagine the conversation: "Sorry, we are suspending you for voting to hold an election". It would have the potential to cause big splits, with rejected MPs standing as incumbent independents, possibly turning safe seats into marginals.0 -
I disagree. Not a main factor maybe, but certainly a major one. I think there'll be quite a few unusual swings because of the local feeling on Brexit, and because of the attitude of the local MP to Brexit. UK politics is in for a bumpy ride because of Brexit, and the 2020 GE will be in the wake of the actual departure. If things have gone well, there'll still be resentment from the pro-EU people, and if things have gone badly the impact will be great across the board.justin124 said:
I really don't believe that Brexit is going to be a major factor in determining how people vote.Sean_F said:
Not all of them. Kent, Essex, the Midlands, Devon, Cornwall, the North and Midlands, certainly. But, parts of the Home Counties, and the M3 and M4 corridors had high Remain votes, and should be good for the Lib Dems.Pulpstar said:
I can't see the Tories losing anything in England. These elections are the Brexitshire heartlands.RobD said:
Isn't the perceived wisdom that the Tories would lose seats/councils at the upcoming locals? with a vote share of 45% that would be quite hard!AndyJS said:FPT:
I suppose they might have a chance of hitting 24% in the English shire counties, but the actual vote shares will include local elections in Scotland and Wales and I can't see the LDs doing particularly well there.rcs1000 said:
I would be staggered if the LDs did that well.Pulpstar said:Actual vote totals I can see being something like :
Conservative 45%
Lib Dems 24%
Labour 15%
UKIP 9%
Greens 2%0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHbZD15zaAQDecrepitJohnL said:
The Cheltenham Festival starts Tuesday.SeanT said:Top tier international rugby is probably the most entertaining TV sport on the planet. Discuss.
Went down there specifically to see this last year. Utterly brilliant.
£50 each way at 5-1 was a nice bonus too.0 -
Could have fooled me.Mortimer said:Scrapheap_as_was said:OGH is talking out of his bar chart.
Lord Scrap of Heap (proposed)
Tory MPs are not frit.justin124 said:
I am sure that if 30 Tory MPs refused to vote for such a motion they would face difficulties with their associations or Tory Central Office.Mortimer said:
You're obsessed with rules; politics is all about pushing boundaries.justin124 said:
Such rebels would be effectively deselected by being denied NEC endorsement.Sandpit said:
Yes, for this particular vote an abstention is a vote against. They'd take the day off and moan about the Tories wasting valuable Parliamentary time with a vanity project - or some such flowery language as to why they don't want to let the people have their say. Could be close if the SNP were in favour of the election though, a couple of dozen Lab 'rebels' could see the motion pass.justin124 said:
They would just abstain.Sandpit said:
I think Mrs May should lay the motion that Parliament be dissolved for an election on May 4th - just to watch the complete farce that would be the Opposition voting against it!nunu said:
even with that farcical situation she would still crush corbyn tho so whats the problem.RobD said:
Sorry, "call for". Agreed it is far from certain she would have the numbers to do that in the Commons without the farcical situation of Tory MPs voting for no confidence in a Tory government. Have I mentioned how much I don't like the FTPA...Pulpstar said:
She can't. FTPA.RobD said:
I think she would call an election rather than appoint new peers if that happened.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If the HOL's pings the bill back again do not be surprisedRobD said:
Are there reports that she is thinking about appointing 200 new peers?Ishmael_Z said:I am not clear who is going to do the not allowing. The obiter dicta of OGH are of considerable persuasive authority, but not binding on anybody.
If she does do this it will take the upper house close to or over the 1,000 member barrier, which must surely to god trigger a proper reform.0
