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The answer would appear to be public sector pay restraint: -0.5% is a remarkable figure.OblitusSumMe said:Why is average earnings growth so weak?
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Perhaps our Tory supporting chums on here may now wish to revisit the way police forces have behaved in the past. It's good to see them catching up on what a lot of us have known for many a long year. If only there had been "Constant vigilance, democratic oversight, and a relentless focus on high ethical standards in public life" in the 1970s and 1980s we may not have had the Battle of Orgreave, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Hillsborough cover up and so on. Yes, my right-wing friends, it's been happening for years. And sometimes it has been done in a way that has been very helpful to the government of the day.0
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I think it says it all about the people who support the lying police...malcolmg said:
Shows how much people think the Tories need kicking , to be so unpopular that people support police lying rather than them. Says it all.CarlottaVance said:
We've seen that sentiment here too....fortunately it's very much a minority view...Charles said:
It's interesting to read the comments on that link. Clearly not the most neutral forum, but no one seems in the least bit concerned about the multiple police officers lying on several occasions. They are just about kicking the Tories. Sad, really.CarlottaVance said:"Which brings us to Ed Miliband. Mitchell has been good sport. Back in October the Labour Leader goaded David Cameron over the "double standard" that while someone "abusing police officers" in the street would be arrested, Mitchell was being protected. "While it’s a night in the cell for the yobs, it’s a night at the Carlton Club for the Chief Whip," he quipped.
If it now turns out that Mitchell is a wronged man, and is only guilty of the minor indiscretion of saying "I thought you lot were supposed to fucking help us" (his admitted remark) then he is entitled to feel aggrieved at what has happened to him. A quick return to the cabinet might not be on the cards, but speedy and earnest apologies should be. And Miliband should be first in line."
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2012/12/if-andrew-mitchell-cleared-ed-miliband-should-apologise
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Morris , just have a bit of fun , of course I agree it is not right , but if anyone thought the police were honest they are living on another planet. They have stitched people up over the years big time, if they can get a patsy for easy arrest they will take it. They prefer fish suppers and doughnuts to policing.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. G, I must entirely disagree with you, and am slightly surprised with your stance.
It is not acceptable, remotely, for the police to (allegedly) engineer the downfall of a cabinet minister to suit their own political agenda.0 -
Oh, I forgot about this. It is taking an awfully long time to come to a conclusion. Do you think that the resulting financial chaos if the US defaults on its debt will cause the publishers to pull out?SeanT said:For those interested - i.e. me, and John O, because he is obliged to pretend that he us interested - the German auction on my book is still ongoing. There are still four publishers in the chase, the highest bid at the moment is €60,000.
It's extremely difficult to work in these trying and distracting conditions. Some sympathy from my fellow pb-ers would not go amiss.
I wonder whether you might be best off accepting the €60,000 while it is still on the table..?0 -
Let's not forget the BBC's contribution to the lies about the Battle of Orgreave.SouthamObserver said:Perhaps our Tory supporting chums on here may now wish to revisit the way police forces have behaved in the past. It's good to see them catching up on what a lot of us have known for many a long year. If only there had been "Constant vigilance, democratic oversight, and a relentless focus on high ethical standards in public life" in the 1970s and 1980s we may not have had the Battle of Orgreave, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Hillsborough cover up and so on. Yes, my right-wing friends, it's been happening for years. And sometimes it has been done in a way that has been very helpful to the government of the day.
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Andrew Neil giving both Labour & Coalition a shellacking on housing....0
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Gordon Strachan is already planning for next summer's world cup.MikeSmithson said:
There speaks a true Scotsman.malcolmg said:
It would not be good value at 1000-1. First good team they meet will hammer them , mediocre team at best.Pulpstar said:
It sounds lik a mug punt but is the 33-1 on England any good Betfred is offering today. I'm not tempted at 25s but 33s...peter_from_putney said:How much is the feel good factor resulting from England's World Cup qualification worth to the Tories in the polls, at least in the short term?
0.5% ....1.0% ....1.5% ?
Of course, were England to win the tournament next July, well then you're really talking!
I've not checked but did Scotland qualify?
He's bought a new 50inch tv.0 -
Mr. G, my apologies. It can be hard to read moods over the internet, and I'm perhaps a little sleepy.0
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It's not about right or left, its about right and wrong !SouthamObserver said:Perhaps our Tory supporting chums on here may now wish to revisit the way police forces have behaved in the past. It's good to see them catching up on what a lot of us have known for many a long year. If only there had been "Constant vigilance, democratic oversight, and a relentless focus on high ethical standards in public life" in the 1970s and 1980s we may not have had the Battle of Orgreave, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Hillsborough cover up and so on. Yes, my right-wing friends, it's been happening for years. And sometimes it has been done in a way that has been very helpful to the government of the day.
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TSE,
I think you might be right about the timing of Plebgate. When there's mass sympathy for the police, it's not the time to carp.
I assumed that the police would put it down to a few bad apples and move on. They may still be forced to do so.0 -
Is Plebgate and the obvious fiction produced by a cohort of dishonest officers in multiple locations the best advertisement for directly elected Police and Crime Commissioners?
The Police require scrutiny from outside the comfortable box that they inhabit.0 -
TSE, that was not what it was spent on , it was down to whether government should release guidance they are given and so was very valid spending. Purely spiteful politics by Labour losers. They have spent millions on FOI in Scotland and got ZERO results on the SNP government.TheScreamingEagles said:
All that taxpayers money wasted trying to hide the non-existent legal advice on an independent Scotland and the EU, it would be acceptable to infer he does have something to hide.malcolmg said:
Since he is not an erse and has nothing to hide , and he does not make a habit of cursing people out , he would have little to fear.CarlottaVance said:
So OK if they come after Eck then? Didnae think so!malcolmg said:
Morris, I am willing to excuse them when it is useless politicians they are stitching up , that should be seen as a benefit to the country and rewarded.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. G, regardless of whether Mitchell in general is an arse or not the issue is the police potentially stitching up a cabinet minister, which is clearly absolutely unacceptable.
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LOL ,, it would be armed robbery, I would get 10 -15 years in ParkhurstTissue_Price said:
Like Italy hammered England at the Euros? I'll take 100/1 (NB not 1000/1) for as much as you like, sir.malcolmg said:It would not be good value at 1000-1. First good team they meet will hammer them , mediocre team at best.
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you know tim's having a dodgy day when he pulls that old chestnut from his portfolio.tim said:David Waddington helping send down Stefan Kiszko then sitting on his appeal for a year when he inexplicably became Home Secretary will never be topped
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For our Japanese PBers
RT @PensionsJackal: Possibly the greatest snippet, I have *ever* read, in today's #Times... pic.twitter.com/VVeuYGI5ba0 -
I have better things to do with my moneyPulpstar said:
I assume you're going to lay your entire bank on England on Betfair then given you think the price is at least 40 times wrong ?malcolmg said:
It would not be good value at 1000-1. First good team they meet will hammer them , mediocre team at best.Pulpstar said:
It sounds lik a mug punt but is the 33-1 on England any good Betfred is offering today. I'm not tempted at 25s but 33s...peter_from_putney said:How much is the feel good factor resulting from England's World Cup qualification worth to the Tories in the polls, at least in the short term?
0.5% ....1.0% ....1.5% ?
Of course, were England to win the tournament next July, well then you're really talking!
EDit: I should add , what little I have left after the Tories have fleeced me0 -
Im just waiting for @tim to put @malcolmg in with the thick PB tories who know nothing about betting... c'mon tim, puntings not partisan!malcolmg said:
It would not be good value at 1000-1. First good team they meet will hammer them , mediocre team at best.Pulpstar said:
It sounds lik a mug punt but is the 33-1 on England any good Betfred is offering today. I'm not tempted at 25s but 33s...peter_from_putney said:How much is the feel good factor resulting from England's World Cup qualification worth to the Tories in the polls, at least in the short term?
0.5% ....1.0% ....1.5% ?
Of course, were England to win the tournament next July, well then you're really talking!0 -
Pay growth in the private sector is also down, from 2.0% to 1.1%.Neil said:
The answer would appear to be public sector pay restraint: -0.5% is a remarkable figure.OblitusSumMe said:Why is average earnings growth so weak?
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Mike , Your only consolation over recent tournaments re England getting humped is that Scotland did not qualify. Says it all about you. I merely speak the truth , England are mediocre in world terms , better than Scotland if that makes you happy , and will do nothing in the world cup as per normal.MikeSmithson said:
There speaks a true Scotsman.malcolmg said:
It would not be good value at 1000-1. First good team they meet will hammer them , mediocre team at best.Pulpstar said:
It sounds lik a mug punt but is the 33-1 on England any good Betfred is offering today. I'm not tempted at 25s but 33s...peter_from_putney said:How much is the feel good factor resulting from England's World Cup qualification worth to the Tories in the polls, at least in the short term?
0.5% ....1.0% ....1.5% ?
Of course, were England to win the tournament next July, well then you're really talking!
I've not checked but did Scotland qualify?
I meanwhile do not need to pretend that Scotland are world beaters.0 -
Surely you can go without the next bottle of Bucky?malcolmg said:
I have better things to do with my moneyPulpstar said:
I assume you're going to lay your entire bank on England on Betfair then given you think the price is at least 40 times wrong ?malcolmg said:
It would not be good value at 1000-1. First good team they meet will hammer them , mediocre team at best.Pulpstar said:
It sounds lik a mug punt but is the 33-1 on England any good Betfred is offering today. I'm not tempted at 25s but 33s...peter_from_putney said:How much is the feel good factor resulting from England's World Cup qualification worth to the Tories in the polls, at least in the short term?
0.5% ....1.0% ....1.5% ?
Of course, were England to win the tournament next July, well then you're really talking!
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It would be if any of the relevant directly elected Police and Crime Commissioners were to do anything about it. We await their response.philiph said:Is Plebgate and the obvious fiction produced by a cohort of dishonest officers in multiple locations the best advertisement for directly elected Police and Crime Commissioners?
The Police require scrutiny from outside the comfortable box that they inhabit.0 -
LOLTheScreamingEagles said:
Gordon Strachan is already planning for next summer's world cup.MikeSmithson said:
There speaks a true Scotsman.malcolmg said:
It would not be good value at 1000-1. First good team they meet will hammer them , mediocre team at best.Pulpstar said:
It sounds lik a mug punt but is the 33-1 on England any good Betfred is offering today. I'm not tempted at 25s but 33s...peter_from_putney said:How much is the feel good factor resulting from England's World Cup qualification worth to the Tories in the polls, at least in the short term?
0.5% ....1.0% ....1.5% ?
Of course, were England to win the tournament next July, well then you're really talking!
I've not checked but did Scotland qualify?
He's bought a new 50inch tv.0 -
I never understood why Hadrian used all those slaves to build the wall, he should have got a third rate European team to go to the border, the Scots would never have gotten past.0
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The heads of 10 of Europe’s biggest utilities said EU energy and environment policy was failing in its objectives and had raised the risk of the lights going out. "The risk of black-outs has never been higher," GDF Suez CEO Gerard Mestrallet said. Rising electricity bills that are damaging Europe's international competitiveness were the fault of political charges and misguided subsidies for solar and wind, rather than the fault of the energy companies, they said. Policymakers are expected to announce proposals for 2030 goals around year-end. They are expected to propose two goals, one for greenhouse emissions and one for renewables, while the CEOs want a single climate goal.
(Source: Reuters, European utilities urge policy reform to avert black-outs, 2013)0 -
The thing is...as before the conference season the Labour vote fell to 35%-37%...what is to say the same won't happen again? After all, clearly the Labour vote is bouncing around too....from as little as 35% to as much as 42%.
Also, with the Tories now regularly on 34-35% and UKIP on 10-13%....there is clearly a lot of room for the Tories to get up to the late 30s or early 40s in 2015.0 -
Morris , No problem , I usually exaggerate my opinions on here for a bit of fun and whilst not yourself, there are many who are so pompous and up their own erses they fail to see it. You are always a gentleman to discuss with.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. G, my apologies. It can be hard to read moods over the internet, and I'm perhaps a little sleepy.
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Am I the only one who thinks that Danny Wellbeck is a poor man's Emile Heskey?
What do you get if you cross a ball with Danny Welbeck? A goal kick.0 -
Always a humourless CHAV waiting to take down the tone of things.TheWatcher said:
Surely you can go without the next bottle of Bucky?malcolmg said:
I have better things to do with my moneyPulpstar said:
I assume you're going to lay your entire bank on England on Betfair then given you think the price is at least 40 times wrong ?malcolmg said:
It would not be good value at 1000-1. First good team they meet will hammer them , mediocre team at best.Pulpstar said:
It sounds lik a mug punt but is the 33-1 on England any good Betfred is offering today. I'm not tempted at 25s but 33s...peter_from_putney said:How much is the feel good factor resulting from England's World Cup qualification worth to the Tories in the polls, at least in the short term?
0.5% ....1.0% ....1.5% ?
Of course, were England to win the tournament next July, well then you're really talking!0 -
Well indeed. And it has been wrong for decades. It's just that a fair few people only just seem to have noticed it.Pulpstar said:
It's not about right or left, its about right and wrong !SouthamObserver said:Perhaps our Tory supporting chums on here may now wish to revisit the way police forces have behaved in the past. It's good to see them catching up on what a lot of us have known for many a long year. If only there had been "Constant vigilance, democratic oversight, and a relentless focus on high ethical standards in public life" in the 1970s and 1980s we may not have had the Battle of Orgreave, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Hillsborough cover up and so on. Yes, my right-wing friends, it's been happening for years. And sometimes it has been done in a way that has been very helpful to the government of the day.
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Don't get too cocky, LOLTheScreamingEagles said:I never understood why Hadrian used all those slaves to build the wall, he should have got a third rate European team to go to the border, the Scots would never have gotten past.
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EdM needs a new line of attack beyond energy0
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I'm not sure, but if that doesn't work the fallback is:tim said:
Does that work well when you go out on the pull?edmundintokyo said:
In the free software community it goes, "First they came for the Linux users, and I didn't speak, because I couldn't get my audio drivers to work with 3.0.4".tim said:
"First they came for the mime artists but I was not a mime, so I said nothing. In retrospect, I should have thought it through a bit more."CD13 said:
EiT,
Well said
Some on the left like to quote ....
"First they came for the communists ... etc"
But when push comes to shove, a few say ... "First they came for Mitchell but .. aw, he's only a godshite, so f*** him, let's blame Cameron instead."
I feel sorry for the good cops, tarred with the brush of a few idiotsThe worst part about the US government going into default is that you're gonna lose all your settings and preferences.
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It is a duel of the pygmies, neither could run a bath.MikeSmithson said:EdM needs a new line of attack beyond energy
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Absolutely. The notoriously left-wing, Marxist BBC stitched up the right wing NUM good and proper.TheScreamingEagles said:
Let's not forget the BBC's contribution to the lies about the Battle of Orgreave.SouthamObserver said:Perhaps our Tory supporting chums on here may now wish to revisit the way police forces have behaved in the past. It's good to see them catching up on what a lot of us have known for many a long year. If only there had been "Constant vigilance, democratic oversight, and a relentless focus on high ethical standards in public life" in the 1970s and 1980s we may not have had the Battle of Orgreave, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Hillsborough cover up and so on. Yes, my right-wing friends, it's been happening for years. And sometimes it has been done in a way that has been very helpful to the government of the day.
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I won't get cocky, as a Liverpool and England fan, in recent years, it has been more of a penance.malcolmg said:
Don't get too cocky, LOLTheScreamingEagles said:I never understood why Hadrian used all those slaves to build the wall, he should have got a third rate European team to go to the border, the Scots would never have gotten past.
Even England Rugby have been shite, thank God for the England cricket team and Great Britain's Andy Murray.0 -
Jeez, how poor can a man get? That's 1930s levels of impoverishment.TheScreamingEagles said:Danny Wellbeck is a poor man's Emile Heskey?
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He has gone from hug a hoodie to gas a badger - Ed M
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As the Hutton report showed, the BBC lied over the conduct of the Labour PM over Iraq.SouthamObserver said:
Absolutely. The notoriously left-wing, Marxist BBC stitched up the right wing NUM good and proper.TheScreamingEagles said:
Let's not forget the BBC's contribution to the lies about the Battle of Orgreave.SouthamObserver said:Perhaps our Tory supporting chums on here may now wish to revisit the way police forces have behaved in the past. It's good to see them catching up on what a lot of us have known for many a long year. If only there had been "Constant vigilance, democratic oversight, and a relentless focus on high ethical standards in public life" in the 1970s and 1980s we may not have had the Battle of Orgreave, the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the Hillsborough cover up and so on. Yes, my right-wing friends, it's been happening for years. And sometimes it has been done in a way that has been very helpful to the government of the day.
Time to smash the BBC.
Edit: Which reminds me, I have lunch with a BBC employee today.0 -
Hug a hoodie, hug a huskie? Who knows...0
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Back to the Victorian era of poverty.Theuniondivvie said:
Jeez, how poor can a man get? That's 1930s levels of impoverishment.TheScreamingEagles said:Danny Wellbeck is a poor man's Emile Heskey?
At least he's no Chris Iwelumo
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"He has gone from hug a hoodie to gas a badger - Ed M"
Isn't that nice, they're complimenting each other now.0 -
O/T
Bank accounting never ceases to amaze me.
Bank of America has just taken a $1.1bn charge related to the reduction in UK corporation tax rate. I assume this is down to the reduction in the NPV of their tax losses (haven't check the detail).
Tories socking it to the bankers. Much more effective than just wittering on about a bonus tax.0 -
So long as it isn't gas a hoodie....Slackbladder said:Hug a hoodie, hug a huskie? Who knows...
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Has Ed raised the issue of dodgy coppers?0
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I worry that the last few weeks might have been a false dawn. Ed very poor today. Clear victory for Cameron.0
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What about the Lions?TheScreamingEagles said:
I won't get cocky, as a Liverpool and England fan, in recent years, it has been more of a penance.malcolmg said:
Don't get too cocky, LOLTheScreamingEagles said:I never understood why Hadrian used all those slaves to build the wall, he should have got a third rate European team to go to the border, the Scots would never have gotten past.
Even England Rugby have been shite, thank God for the England cricket team and Great Britain's Andy Murray.
On the WC, tournament football is all about the big Mo. If England can get a decent start and drop into a comfortable rhythm of play it is not impossible they could get into a position to become contenders. What we do have are plenty of players with big game experience. They may not be that good technically, but if they feel they have a chance they may just surprise us. They probably won't. There are plenty of better sides. But you only need to win six or seven games to win the World Cup. You can get lucky with the draw; your much better opposition can have an off day; a fringe player can emerge; a written off one can regain his form; you can learn how to take penalties; and so on. Gerard and Rooney remain top class players. Build the team round them. Give young Andros the freedom to charge. And you never know. Well you do. But you have to live in hope.
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I think Ed's problem is that he was part of the last Labour government and the Energy Secretary therein.Roger said:I worry that the last few weeks might have been a false dawn. Ed very poor today. Clear victory for Cameron.
So when he raises the matters of the economy or energy prices, he is hoping the voters forget those two points.0 -
Vaz brings up IPCC report.0
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And Cameron will remind them every time.TheScreamingEagles said:
So when he raises the matters of the economy or energy prices, he is hoping the voters forget those two points.Roger said:I worry that the last few weeks might have been a false dawn. Ed very poor today. Clear victory for Cameron.
Vaz goes on plebgate.......
......Cameron agrees 100% with May's comments.....
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One of my Welsh friends say my criticism of Warren Gatland doesn't allow me to share in the glory of the Lions.SouthamObserver said:
What about the Lions?TheScreamingEagles said:
I won't get cocky, as a Liverpool and England fan, in recent years, it has been more of a penance.malcolmg said:
Don't get too cocky, LOLTheScreamingEagles said:I never understood why Hadrian used all those slaves to build the wall, he should have got a third rate European team to go to the border, the Scots would never have gotten past.
Even England Rugby have been shite, thank God for the England cricket team and Great Britain's Andy Murray.
On the WC, tournament football is all about the big Mo. If England can get a decent start and drop into a comfortable rhythm of play it is not impossible they could get into a position to become contenders. What we do have are plenty of players with big game experience. They may not be that good technically, but if they feel they have a chance they may just surprise us. They probably won't. There are plenty of better sides. But you only need to win six or seven games to win the World Cup. You can get lucky with the draw; your much better opposition can have an off day; a fringe player can emerge; a written off one can regain his form; you can learn how to take penalties; and so on. Gerard and Rooney remain top class players. Build the team round them. Give young Andros the freedom to charge. And you never know. Well you do. But you have to live in hope.
Re the world cup, we're not going to win it, the one thing that will destroy our chances (apart from the players aren't good enough) is the weather.
The heat will make it unsuitable for the European teams.0 -
SO , similar chance to Spurs winning the premiership, ie Bob Hope and No HopeSouthamObserver said:
What about the Lions?TheScreamingEagles said:
I won't get cocky, as a Liverpool and England fan, in recent years, it has been more of a penance.malcolmg said:
Don't get too cocky, LOLTheScreamingEagles said:I never understood why Hadrian used all those slaves to build the wall, he should have got a third rate European team to go to the border, the Scots would never have gotten past.
Even England Rugby have been shite, thank God for the England cricket team and Great Britain's Andy Murray.
On the WC, tournament football is all about the big Mo. If England can get a decent start and drop into a comfortable rhythm of play it is not impossible they could get into a position to become contenders. What we do have are plenty of players with big game experience. They may not be that good technically, but if they feel they have a chance they may just surprise us. They probably won't. There are plenty of better sides. But you only need to win six or seven games to win the World Cup. You can get lucky with the draw; your much better opposition can have an off day; a fringe player can emerge; a written off one can regain his form; you can learn how to take penalties; and so on. Gerard and Rooney remain top class players. Build the team round them. Give young Andros the freedom to charge. And you never know. Well you do. But you have to live in hope.0 -
I don't know,I thought they were both poor.Roger said:I worry that the last few weeks might have been a false dawn. Ed very poor today. Clear victory for Cameron.
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That would be a vote winner though,TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The high point of PMQs for me is Simon Kirby's haircut.0
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Ed was very proud of himself for the 'hug a huskie' line - and was determined to throw in the word 'crisis' as many times as he could. But he still couldn't put together a series of questions that actually placed any pressure on the PM.Roger said:I worry that the last few weeks might have been a false dawn. Ed very poor today. Clear victory for Cameron.
It was a weak performance without a doubt.
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Maybe, but I'm a frequent hoodie wearer.Slackbladder said:
That would be a vote winner though,TheScreamingEagles said:
(and no, that isn't a euphemism)0 -
Darren McCaffrey @DMcCaffreySKY 1m
Badgers quick to react to @Ed_Miliband's quip. via @JohnRentoul. #PMQs
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Interesting PMQ's. Ed Miliband's attempts to link Energy prices to his cost of living stick enabled Cameron to come back and highlight this Government's record pulling the poorest workers out of tax, freezing council tax and fuel duty. It also then opened the door for Cameron to bring Labour's own record in Office on fuel duty, council tax and that removal of the 10p tax in comparison. I would have added in the continued low interest rates that have kept mortgages manageable during these austere times. These are effective policies that this Government has implemented to help with the cost of living vs a promise from Ed Miliband.
Miliband turned the ball away from the Government goals and dribbled it all the way back down the pitch to his own goals, and then he struck it squarely in the back of the net. We ended up talking about the last Labour Government's record in Office, not something that Miliband can defend. Someone from the Scottish Lab team in Holyrood should have given him the heads up on why this strategy is a gift to Cameron. I saw Salmond take up the invitation in the last Scottish FM questions.0 -
I heard "hug a husky to gas a badger" not hug a hoody.
Dave had his tail up, but difficult not to when such a feeble attack from the opposition. Its like facing San Marino at present.Slackbladder said:He has gone from hug a hoodie to gas a badger - Ed M
What a utterly pathetic line.0 -
You don't need to be the best side to win a cup though. See Wigan...0
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Ed's biggest weakness at PMQs is that he says his 6 questions off script without adjusting to what Cam is saying.
If he wins its because he strikes lucky on an area where Cam isn't prepared - not due to a sparkling wit on the hoof.
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Toenails picks up on Miliband's prediction of 'the disappearance of a million jobs' while a million have been created.....0
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Ed Miliband is no David Blanchflower thoughCarlottaVance said:Toenails picks up on Miliband's prediction of 'the disappearance of a million jobs' while a million have been created.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/6224723/Tory-public-spending-cuts-could-push-unemployment-to-5-million.html
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Yes.SeanT said:Did Ed Miliband really say
"he's gone from hug a huskie to gas a badger"??!
That line is so breathtakingly bad on so MANY levels. Wow.
Remember Ed is the person who at the last election, thought comparing David Cameron to Gene Hunt would be a voter winner.
To be fair, it was a vote winner, for Dave.0 -
Labour should pick their back bench fodder better when asking 'Housing Bubble' questions....sending in a Scottish MP, where prices fell.....0
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The Million Jobs, Millions Reasons line is a powerful one. A treble for the person who came up with that one.0
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Are you suggesting Cameron should make an announcement on a particular tax before the Autumn statement ?tim said:@iainmartin1: For weeks Tory leadership has been grandstanding against green taxes it voted for and will not and *cannot* axe. #PMQs
Some nice quotes from Cameron and Osborne urging Labour to go further on green taxes
The PB Tories don't want to acknowledge this, it's in the "to be ignored" file along with Goves Madrassa and rising spending
That would be "unusual".
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It'll be autumn moving into winter in Brazil. If we get to play in Sao Paolo or Porto Alegre (or even Rio) it will be fine. The further north we go, though, the worse it will be. When I was over there in August I was told that England might end up in Boa Vista. That would be lethal.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my Welsh friends say my criticism of Warren Gatland doesn't allow me to share in the glory of the Lions.SouthamObserver said:
What about the Lions?TheScreamingEagles said:
I won't get cocky, as a Liverpool and England fan, in recent years, it has been more of a penance.malcolmg said:
Don't get too cocky, LOLTheScreamingEagles said:I never understood why Hadrian used all those slaves to build the wall, he should have got a third rate European team to go to the border, the Scots would never have gotten past.
Even England Rugby have been shite, thank God for the England cricket team and Great Britain's Andy Murray.
On the WC, tournament football is all about the big Mo. If England can get a decent start and drop into a comfortable rhythm of play it is not impossible they could get into a position to become contenders. What we do have are plenty of players with big game experience. They may not be that good technically, but if they feel they have a chance they may just surprise us. They probably won't. There are plenty of better sides. But you only need to win six or seven games to win the World Cup. You can get lucky with the draw; your much better opposition can have an off day; a fringe player can emerge; a written off one can regain his form; you can learn how to take penalties; and so on. Gerard and Rooney remain top class players. Build the team round them. Give young Andros the freedom to charge. And you never know. Well you do. But you have to live in hope.
Re the world cup, we're not going to win it, the one thing that will destroy our chances (apart from the players aren't good enough) is the weather.
The heat will make it unsuitable for the European teams.
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I don't understand this badger cull or have strong views either way, and tim will of course know this more than most I'm sure, but it appears in the rural areas I go that it is believed that farmers kill the badgers (who knows how... I doubt humanely) and then leave them by the roadside so as to appear as roadkill....0
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@SouthamObserver
Thanks, my South American weather knowledge is lacking.
What about the riots/protests in Brazil, that might have a bearing on where England end up?
Did you see any whilst you were out there?0 -
A quick google tells me that the dispatch boxes themselves contain holy texts, but what are the bound books in between the two dispatch boxes?0
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Erm just seen this from Owen Jones - I think 'doubted him' is rather weak if one looks at guido's blog showing one of his tweets at the time...
Owen Jones@OwenJones845s
Spot on from @Markfergusonuk. Pretty clear Andrew Mitchell was stitched up, and I'm sorry I and others doubted him http://labourlist.org/2013/10/andrew-mitchell-has-been-wronged-and-the-labour-movement-should-defend-him/ …0 -
Copies of Erskine MayOblitusSumMe said:A quick google tells me that the dispatch boxes themselves contain holy texts, but what are the bound books in between the two dispatch boxes?
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The black marks on the dispatch box are Gordon Brown's vandalismOblitusSumMe said:A quick google tells me that the dispatch boxes themselves contain holy texts, but what are the bound books in between the two dispatch boxes?
Dispatch Box vandal caught in the act and culprit is Prime Minister Gordon Brown
Officials are used to finding graffiti on the priceless fixtures and fittings in the House of Commons chamber. Teams of French polishers regularly repair damage caused by tourists.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2652416/Dispatch-Box-vandal-caught-in-the-act-and-culprit-is-Prime-Minister-Gordon-Brown.html0 -
Oh dear, now Owen's jumped into the lifeboat.Scrapheap_as_was said:Erm just seen this from Owen Jones - I think 'doubted him' is rather weak if one looks at guido's blog showing one of his tweets at the time...
Owen Jones@OwenJones845s
Spot on from @Markfergusonuk. Pretty clear Andrew Mitchell was stitched up, and I'm sorry I and others doubted him http://labourlist.org/2013/10/andrew-mitchell-has-been-wronged-and-the-labour-movement-should-defend-him/ …
Poor Wee Timmy's left all alone on the burning deck.
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Mark Ferguson blogs in Labour list:
"If the Labour Party – and the wider Labour movement – can do one small thing today, it should be to apologise to Andrew Mitchell for jumping on him when the facts were unclear. But more than that – if others believe, as I now do, that Mitchell has clearly been the victim of police wrongdoing, then we need to stand up for him, defend him and – yes – campaign for him.
Because the police need to be held to account whenever and wherever the overstep their authority. That’s something the Labour movement has always been good at, but if we’re being consistent we need to do it whoever the victim is. Even if it’s a former Tory Cabinet Minister.
Perhaps especially when it’s a former Tory Cabinet Minister."
http://labourlist.org/2013/10/andrew-mitchell-has-been-wronged-and-the-labour-movement-should-defend-him/0 -
No, it was pretty calm when I was there. But if Rio is anything to go by, logistically the event is going to be a nightmare. Getting around is just horrible. And a lot of people are going to get robbed, The Maracana is pretty impressive though and Rio is beautiful, of course. The one that would worry me a lot more is the Olympics. I just cannot see how they are going to be ready for those.TheScreamingEagles said:@SouthamObserver
Thanks, my South American weather knowledge is lacking.
What about the riots/protests in Brazil, that might have a bearing on where England end up?
Did you see any whilst you were out there?
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Depressingly true in this case
"Misrepresenting evidence has now become so commonplace amongst British police officers they no longer recognise they are doing it. There is an incredible passage in the transcript of the meeting between the Police Federation and Andrew Mitchell in which the officers expound on the importance of honesty and integrity to them and their service. Stuart Hinton explains to Mitchell: “Honesty and integrity, as I have said a number of times over the last couple of days, is a central tenor to the police core value and if that wasn’t the case anything could happen … to have a senior government figure suggesting that an officer's account of events is inaccurate and possibly untruthful has wider implications, not just for that incident but for the police service in general”. Then, having delivered this powerful and moving soliloquy on the importance of police officers giving truthful accounts of their actions, Hinton and his colleagues got up, walked out, and gave a wholly distorted account of their meeting to the waiting press." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100241644/theres-only-one-way-the-police-can-regain-respect-after-plebgate-start-telling-the-truth/0 -
Incidentally, is America actually going to end up defaulting because its Congress is packed with stubborn imbeciles?
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Tokyo ha
Tokyo has a remarkably similiar climate to Rio in July and June. Except Rio can get alot hotter (On average the humidity/heat is the same though) and Brazil won in 2002.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my Welsh friends say my criticism of Warren Gatland doesn't allow me to share in the glory of the Lions.SouthamObserver said:
What about the Lions?TheScreamingEagles said:
I won't get cocky, as a Liverpool and England fan, in recent years, it has been more of a penance.malcolmg said:
Don't get too cocky, LOLTheScreamingEagles said:I never understood why Hadrian used all those slaves to build the wall, he should have got a third rate European team to go to the border, the Scots would never have gotten past.
Even England Rugby have been shite, thank God for the England cricket team and Great Britain's Andy Murray.
On the WC, tournament football is all about the big Mo. If England can get a decent start and drop into a comfortable rhythm of play it is not impossible they could get into a position to become contenders. What we do have are plenty of players with big game experience. They may not be that good technically, but if they feel they have a chance they may just surprise us. They probably won't. There are plenty of better sides. But you only need to win six or seven games to win the World Cup. You can get lucky with the draw; your much better opposition can have an off day; a fringe player can emerge; a written off one can regain his form; you can learn how to take penalties; and so on. Gerard and Rooney remain top class players. Build the team round them. Give young Andros the freedom to charge. And you never know. Well you do. But you have to live in hope.
Re the world cup, we're not going to win it, the one thing that will destroy our chances (apart from the players aren't good enough) is the weather.
The heat will make it unsuitable for the European teams.
So you might well have a point.
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If England end up in Porto Alegre, you'll need to take thermals.SouthamObserver said:
It'll be autumn moving into winter in Brazil. If we get to play in Sao Paolo or Porto Alegre (or even Rio) it will be fine. The further north we go, though, the worse it will be. When I was over there in August I was told that England might end up in Boa Vista. That would be lethal.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my Welsh friends say my criticism of Warren Gatland doesn't allow me to share in the glory of the Lions.SouthamObserver said:
What about the Lions?TheScreamingEagles said:
I won't get cocky, as a Liverpool and England fan, in recent years, it has been more of a penance.malcolmg said:
Don't get too cocky, LOLTheScreamingEagles said:I never understood why Hadrian used all those slaves to build the wall, he should have got a third rate European team to go to the border, the Scots would never have gotten past.
Even England Rugby have been shite, thank God for the England cricket team and Great Britain's Andy Murray.
On the WC, tournament football is all about the big Mo. If England can get a decent start and drop into a comfortable rhythm of play it is not impossible they could get into a position to become contenders. What we do have are plenty of players with big game experience. They may not be that good technically, but if they feel they have a chance they may just surprise us. They probably won't. There are plenty of better sides. But you only need to win six or seven games to win the World Cup. You can get lucky with the draw; your much better opposition can have an off day; a fringe player can emerge; a written off one can regain his form; you can learn how to take penalties; and so on. Gerard and Rooney remain top class players. Build the team round them. Give young Andros the freedom to charge. And you never know. Well you do. But you have to live in hope.
Re the world cup, we're not going to win it, the one thing that will destroy our chances (apart from the players aren't good enough) is the weather.
The heat will make it unsuitable for the European teams.0 -
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MT @daily_politics: Bookie says @NadineDorriesMP outsider for deputy Speaker job, they'd only received 1 bet on her (for 50p) #bbcdp0 -
Southam, thanks again.
Judging by the Times article, England are planning to base themselves in Rio and commute to the games.
Edit: The telegraph has the story as well, they're going to base themselves in the Urca district of Rio
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10382842/England-make-plans-for-friendlies-training-camps-and-accommodation-ahead-of-World-Cup-2014-in-Brazil.html0 -
You could use the arguement that Republicans are doing their job in 'opposing'.Morris_Dancer said:Incidentally, is America actually going to end up defaulting because its Congress is packed with stubborn imbeciles?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24543581
But yeah, they're idiots.0 -
An interesting response
RT @ToryTreasury: @JohnRentoul not true - real disposable income over last 4 quarters was higher than in any year under Labour0 -
As someone said, they're playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded machine gunMorris_Dancer said:Incidentally, is America actually going to end up defaulting because its Congress is packed with stubborn imbeciles?
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bbc news little known minister -
Mitchell was in the Cabinet.0 -
Urca is very nice. I know the base they are talking about. There's a beach just by there which is spectacular. If I knew how to do it, I'd post a few pictures of the place. It's a bit of a schlep to the hotel they are talking about though. Could be well over an hour each way if the traffic is crap, but maybe they'll get a police escort.TheScreamingEagles said:Southam, thanks again.
Judging by the Times article, England are planning to base themselves in Rio and commute to the games.
Edit: The telegraph has the story as well, they're going to base themselves in the Urca district of Rio
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10382842/England-make-plans-for-friendlies-training-camps-and-accommodation-ahead-of-World-Cup-2014-in-Brazil.html
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Comrades! Capitalism isn't working!TheScreamingEagles said:
As someone said, they're playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded machine gunMorris_Dancer said:Incidentally, is America actually going to end up defaulting because its Congress is packed with stubborn imbeciles?
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The bit that Ed keeps forgetting to mention.
From growth to stagnation: the path of UK real wages
'It is widely known that the 2008-09 recession has had a significant, negative impact on the real value of wages. But evidence of wage-trends over the longer term reveals that median
wages in the UK had already stopped growing before the 2008-09 downturn was in sight.
When long-term trends in wages are charted from 1970, three fairly distinct periods of wage
growth emerge (Figure 12): a period of moderate growth for men and strong growth for
women throughout the 1970s; a period of strong growth for most people (but fast-rising
inequality) in the 1980s and 1990s; and a period of stagnation from 2003, beginning in a time
of economic growth, and now set to continue as real wages fall in the aftermath of the
2008-09 recession, and recover only slowly to 2015.51
51.
www.resolutionfoundation.org/media/.../Growth_without_gain_-_Web.p..
by J Plunkett - 2011 - Cited by 12 - Related articles
to living standards in the UK over the last thirty years? In absolute terms ... was strong from 1977 to 2003 but from 2003-08 – before the 2008-09 recession, and.0 -
That's part of the problem. The other part is that they let a bunch of incompetent morons write a constitution for them, then made a weird kind of secular religion around the results of their incompetence that prevents them from fixing it.Morris_Dancer said:Incidentally, is America actually going to end up defaulting because its Congress is packed with stubborn imbeciles?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24543581
That said these things seem to follow a familiar pattern, and we're at the second-to-last step:
- House Republicans take an uncompromising stand.
- Everybody frets for a while.
- Senate make a deal.
- Boehner tries get House Republicans to vote for a more right-wing version of the deal that Senate Democrats won't accept, so he can blame it on them.
- Right-wing House Republicans refuse to vote for it. <- We are here
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Cameron v miliband PMQ's -SeanT said:Did Ed Miliband really say
"he's gone from hug a huskie to gas a badger"??!
That line is so breathtakingly bad on so MANY levels. Wow.
If you want to hear miliband say hug a huskie/gas a badger quote,turn on at 6:45
http://audioboo.fm/boos/1664610-pmqs-cameron-vs-miliband#t=0m3s
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@Tim I'm sure the BBC News reporter said- he was a little known minister...
As for Cameron's green tax stuff, he still appears to be wedded to it - gas, electricity, petrol, diesel, fuel duty...Does he have the gumption to scrap them?
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I'm wincing here
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges
Watching West Midlands police commissioner on Sky. The police service is in the middle of a full scale public relations meltdown.0
