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  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited October 2013
    Boulton having a shouting match with West Midlands Police & Crime Commissioner...
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Danny Shaw ‏@DannyShawBBC 9m

    W Mids police & crime commissioner Bob Jones backs his Chief & officers saying it's "Westminster Club" v police on the ground re #plebgate

    A long time member of various policing boards and authorities.

    Also a Labour man in what wouldn't otherwise be a highly political issue.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    fitalass said:

    Interesting PMQ's. Ed Miliband's attempts to link Energy prices to his cost of living stick enabled Cameron to come back and highlight this Government's record pulling the poorest workers out of tax, freezing council tax and fuel duty. It also then opened the door for Cameron to bring Labour's own record in Office on fuel duty, council tax and that removal of the 10p tax in comparison. I would have added in the continued low interest rates that have kept mortgages manageable during these austere times. These are effective policies that this Government has implemented to help with the cost of living vs a promise from Ed Miliband.

    Miliband turned the ball away from the Government goals and dribbled it all the way back down the pitch to his own goals, and then he struck it squarely in the back of the net. We ended up talking about the last Labour Government's record in Office, not something that Miliband can defend. Someone from the Scottish Lab team in Holyrood should have given him the heads up on why this strategy is a gift to Cameron. I saw Salmond take up the invitation in the last Scottish FM questions.

    Subnormal interest rates are not a good thing. It rewards the reckless at the expense of the prudent.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    RodCrosby said:

    Bolton having a shouting match with West Midlands Crime Commissioner...

    That guy was really poor on the daily politics,he gives a bad name to police/crime commissioners.

  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    dr_spyn said:

    @Tim I'm sure the BBC News reporter said- he was a little known minister...

    As for Cameron's green tax stuff, he still appears to be wedded to it - gas, electricity, petrol, diesel, fuel duty...Does he have the gumption to scrap them?

    Will a market open up on which Labour Front bencher is first to apologise over plodgate?

    Have the Prime Minister and Home Secretary apologised?

    Labour is not involved -- that's the point many on pb miss.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:



    The PB Tories
    Always wrong.
    Never learn.

    Roger is a PB Tory now? He'll fit in at our cocktail parties.

    We're going to need a list of who isnt a PB Tory soon.
  • redcliffe62redcliffe62 Posts: 342
    edited October 2013
    I got arrested once. Police lied under oath and their false statements resembled each other. Cost me a great deal. Fact is, they do it and sometimes they do it for no rhyme or reason other than self promotion.
    When they get caught for similar as Mitchell had then I cannot help smiling.
    As I said, when they stitched me up, "it's not like this on the Bill is it?"
    Oh how they laughed.....
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013
    Neil said:

    Roger is a PB Tory now? He'll fit in at our cocktail parties.

    More a Champagne rather than a cocktail chap, though, isn't he? Still, in a spirit of cross-party inclusiveness, I can live with that.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    Great ad for Police Commissioners going on today.

    Almost as personal to Dave as the promise not to reorganise the NHS that one, no wonder it's going well

    I agree,with this labour commissioner,it seems to have gone political in his support of the police.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    tim said:



    The PB Tories
    Always wrong
    Never learn

    What I can't get over is the number of papers and commentators questioning why Cameron didn't release the CCTV immediately - I've heard and read nearly nothing else.. tim, you found the KEY issue, as ever
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    More a Champagne rather than a cocktail chap, though, isn't he?

    He can have bellinis.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Ha! Ha! The Con MP on WATO came armed with the unemployment stats (down 19%) for the Labour MP, Gloria De Piero......she's stayed on to talk about the Fabian Society plans for Labour spending.....absolutely guarantees the pensioner's triple lock.....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    tim said:

    Anyone would think from reading the PB Tories that Cameron smashed it out of the park

    "The energy price freeze is becoming the new 50p tax"

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/10/the-energy-price-freeze-is-becoming-the-new-50p-tax/

    The Spectator says

    The PB Tories
    Always wrong
    Never learn

    I would pay more attention to Forsyth or Fraser than Isabel
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:


    Anyone would think from reading the PB Tories that Cameron smashed it out of the park

    The Staggers ‏@TheStaggers 9m
    #PMQs review: Cameron still lacks answers on the living standards crisis, says @georgeeaton http://bit.ly/16a6RwZ

    The New Statesman says

    The PB Tories
    Always wrong
    Never learn

    The New Statesman says Miliband won?

    Case closed then......

    And it was Roger who first awarded it to Dave.....

  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    tim said:



    The PB Tories
    Always wrong
    Never learn

    What I can't get over is the number of papers and commentators questioning why Cameron didn't release the CCTV immediately - I've heard and read nearly nothing else.. tim, you found the KEY issue, as ever
    To be serious, there is almost certainly more footage that has not been released.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''He's been criticised in the past for not following up with ideas that work, he'll carry on long after we are bored on here, but thats when it starts to sink in among the public.
    You can sense the Sun knows that''

    Are you saying the Sun supports Milliband now simply because he proposed a fundamentally dishonest price freeze in energy prices? goodness me, Trevor Kavanagh's got way more sense than that.

    The Sun's just using ed as a stick to beat the government because it knows this is something that really concerns its readers.

    Cameron's painted himself into a corner on this, as you've pointed out, but that isn't going to stop the right wing media trying.
  • Re; the topic and vote share, doesn't a leading and respected poller say that it is the share of the vote and its consistency that matters rather than the day to day fluctuations in poll leads that seem to generate so much shrieking and hysteria here ?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    tim said:


    Anyone would think from reading the PB Tories that Cameron smashed it out of the park

    The Staggers ‏@TheStaggers 9m
    #PMQs review: Cameron still lacks answers on the living standards crisis, says @georgeeaton http://bit.ly/16a6RwZ

    The New Statesman says

    The PB Tories
    Always wrong
    Never learn

    The New Statesman says Miliband won?

    Case closed then......

    And it was Roger who first awarded it to Dave.....

    I may agree with Cameron lacks answers on living standards but bringing on little lord Fauntleroy George eaton does make me laugh,the guy is so up miliband he should get a job as a labour spin doctor.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Charles said:

    tim said:

    Anyone would think from reading the PB Tories that Cameron smashed it out of the park

    "The energy price freeze is becoming the new 50p tax"

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/10/the-energy-price-freeze-is-becoming-the-new-50p-tax/

    The Spectator says

    The PB Tories
    Always wrong
    Never learn

    I would pay more attention to Forsyth or Fraser than Isabel
    I think Isabel is right - the price freeze/50p tax are economically illiterate policies which sound good....they do need to come up with a good "retail offer".
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    tim said:

    Hurrah for the PB Tories, Dave did indeed smash it out of the park and anyone who disagrees is biased.

    1. Roger
    2.
    3.
    4.

    Care to fill in the rest?

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    they do need to come up with a good "retail offer".

    Wrong. The last thing Cameron should be doing is getting into a price war on undeliverable living cost promises with ed.

    The public will see through it, just as they see through offers to consolidate loans, transfer bank accounts, switch energy suppliers and even place free bets.

    You might save initially, but they always get it back in the end. And Ed would get it back in the end - big time.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    Well thats the Sun, Spectator and the News Staesman's verdicts dispatched then
    Hurrah for the PB Tories, Dave did indeed smash it out of the park and anyone who disagrees is biased.

    God tim,you use to be better than this,now you going on ed did win PMQ's and trying to prove it = lol

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,192
    I thought PMQs were a lot more heat than light to be honest. Cameron had a lot of stats at his disposal today, by far the best of which is the 1m jobs line.

    Ed's attack on cost of living crisis really did not work at all. He did better on the energy issues by pointing out the support given by the tories to his energy bill. There is quite a bit more mileage in this one for him I suspect.

    The hug a huskie line was just terrible.

    Cameron clearly had the advantage today but not in a way that is likely to win him many votes. If he gets the 1m jobs line on the news it will be job well done. If he doesn't I suspect it was all a bit of a waste of effort.

    For Labour MPs it was a bit of a come down. Rightly or wrongly Ed has been making the political weather since his conference speech. That may have ended.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    @taffys - the governments problem is they are clearly winning on a pretty abstract concept "the economy" - but are floundering on a more concrete one "cost of living" - where a lot of their "wins" are things that didn't happen - Council tax increases, fuel duty & so on. They need a sharper story - and pronto.
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  • What is the SUN to do. Hypocritical to the end, it will jump on the Miliband bandwagon a few weeks before it is absolutely certain that he is going to win. The it will announce that "It was the SUN wot won it". Cameron is dead in the water.
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