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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,966

    There is always this as an alternative

    image

    That's bad but really funny.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    edited February 2017

    When you are lying in a hospital bed, and your next of kin get to decide whether to switch off life support, would you rather it was your partner or your uncle who you last saw 15 years ago making the decision?
    Isn't that a bit unlikely ?

    I thought next of kin was as follows:

    Spouse -> Kids -> Parents -> Grandkids-> Grandparents -> Siblings -> Niblings -> Aunts/Uncles ?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256



    Sadly, it is spelt Twatt.

    http://tinyurl.com/j8zyjh5

    Donald is rumoured not to read too well. Apparently he promoted Bannon by accident because he signed whatever they put in front of him.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,626
    edited February 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Isn't that a bit unlikely ?

    I thought next of kin was as follows:

    Spouse -> Kids -> Parents -> Siblings -> Niblings -> Aunts/Uncles ?
    Without a spouse, I would jump straight to aunts/uncles.

    And once they've all gone, cousins.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,381

    There was a bizarre article in the Telegraph the other day about how Brexit would save marriage. Clearly a bonkers argument, but there were some interesting stats.

    In 1970 around 90% of children were born in wedlock, now it is about 40% for working class, while still around 90% for professionals. Presumably this reflects the decline of marriage in other situations too. It is right that the law starts to develop case law as to obligations in such circumstances.

    Incidentally, being born out of wedlock is a major factor in reduced social mobility, probably an indicator of other suboptimal domestic measures and irreligiosity. Sorting this out would do far more than grammar schools in improving social mobility.
    Very true. Middle class children tend to be living with both their biological parents when they reach adulthood; working class children tend not to be, a huge advantage for the former over the latter.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sean_F said:

    The impact of disease was certainly very significant in Mexico. I think that in North America, the natives would still have been overwhelmed by the sheer number of European immigrants.

    In sub-Saharan Africa, the diseases largely favoured the natives, and meant that European settlement wasn't significant outside South Africa.
    The slaughter of millions of bison was eye-boggling

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_hunting
  • I didn't say he shouldn't respond if shit blows up.
    Shit blows up all the time. Sure, he can - and should - schedule time off but the idea that he can take Monday afternoon off because he worked Sunday morning seems naive at best.
  • I've been speaking to someone who used to work for the UN, Mrs Sturgeon doesn't need a referendum to lawfully secede from the UK.

    She can put it in her manifesto for the next UK general election/or the next Scottish Parliament that if the SNP wins a majority of MPs/MSPs then Scotland will secede, and it will meet the UN tests for lawful secession.

    I plan to do a thread on it, once I've got some more details on it.
    As someone who wants a second referendum on Scottish Independence and would be very pleased if they attained it, I think such a plan would be suicidal. In exactly the same way that it would have been idiotic for a UK Government to just declare they were leaving the EU with no formal process, the same would apply to Scotland leaving the UK. None of the major issues which would need to be resolved to ensure independence was a success would be sorted out and there would be a significant minority verging on a majority of Scots who would be opposed to the plan.

    For all that the ill informed hot heads in both the Brexit and the Scots Independence movements might like the idea, unilateral declarations are no way to ensure the success of independence unless under the threat of violence and oppression from the existing state. Something that does not apply in the case of either Brexit or Scottish Independence.

    On the other hand May would be absolutely mad to deny the Scots a referendum if they apply for one. No one can deny the situation has materially changed quite dramatically since the last one.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,626
    I just read this comment on the web site of a Canadian newspaper:

    "Every country has a province or state that takes lots of money/grants, are opposed to almost everything, almost bankrupt, the bed of socialism, morally correct on all issues (in their own minds), special treatment, the universe of special interest groups, and so and so on. We have our Quebec and the U.S. has their California."

    I guess in the UK we have London.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    He'll probably stay on as the 'identity left' (Lead by Abbott) will fall out with the very hard left (Skinner, McDonnell) - who in turn will have the toys out the pram with the moderate left, and of course the continuity Blairites.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    edited February 2017

    Without a spouse, I would jump straight to aunts/uncles.

    And once they've all gone, cousins.
    The US has it all well defined

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_of_kin

    Our legal system, not so much. Whoever can afford the most lawyer fees I assume.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sean_F said:

    Very true. Middle class children tend to be living with both their biological parents when they reach adulthood; working class children tend not to be, a huge advantage for the former over the latter.
    It is also why working class immigrants from Asia, Africa and Eastern Europe tend to overtake their white British and Caribbean neighbours. A stable family home and being religious are good predictors of school performance.

  • Replace 'Corbyn' and 'McDonnell' with 'Blair' and 'Brown' and it works equally well. "Politicians discuss leader's departure" is not so much 'dog bites man' as 'dog eats dinner'.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    There was a bizarre article in the Telegraph the other day about how Brexit would save marriage. Clearly a bonkers argument, but there were some interesting stats.

    In 1970 around 90% of children were born in wedlock, now it is about 40% for working class, while still around 90% for professionals. Presumably this reflects the decline of marriage in other situations too. It is right that the law starts to develop case law as to obligations in such circumstances.

    Incidentally, being born out of wedlock is a major factor in reduced social mobility, probably an indicator of other suboptimal domestic measures and irreligiosity. Sorting this out would do far more than grammar schools in improving social mobility.
    No, it is significantly correlated with reduced social mobility. And what would sorting it out entail - a tax break worth 67p in the year of marriage - bearing in mind that being a net tax payer may currently be correlated with getting married?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    Ishmael_Z said:

    No, it is significantly correlated with reduced social mobility. And what would sorting it out entail - a tax break worth 67p in the year of marriage - bearing in mind that being a net tax payer may currently be correlated with getting married?
    What is this '67p' tax break ?

    Is it 67p in the pound or just 67p :o ?!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,544
    Macron edging towards first place in round one.

    https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/829078857022070784
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Pulpstar said:

    What is this '67p' tax break ?

    Is it 67p in the pound or just 67p :o ?!
    It is approximately, as far as I remember, the value of a tax break invented by David Cameron for the newly wed.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Donald is rumoured not to read too well. Apparently he promoted Bannon by accident because he signed whatever they put in front of him.
    I know you dislike immensely - however saying things like this adds zip to your argument.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,381
    Ishmael_Z said:

    It is approximately, as far as I remember, the value of a tax break invented by David Cameron for the newly wed.
    If one is well off, the tax breaks for getting married are huge.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,504

    Macron edging towards first place in round one.

    https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/829078857022070784

    That's without Bayrou. Hamon appears to be on the way down.
  • Mr. Glenn, cheers for those polling figures.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    Sean_F said:


    If one is well off, the tax breaks for getting married are huge.

    The only tax break I could see is if you have a non earning partner the personal allowance can be shipped over.
  • I'm sure Sarah Vine is battering her keyboard as I type.

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/829286458800369664
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Sean_F said:

    If one is well off, the tax breaks for getting married are huge.
    OK, but what we are after is an incentive for the underclass to marry.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,381
    Pulpstar said:

    The only tax break I could see is if you have a non earning partner the personal allowance can be shipped over.
    There are huge savings on Inheritance Tax and Capital Gains Tax.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711

    Macron edging towards first place in round one.

    https://twitter.com/europeelects/status/829078857022070784

    That is a rolling daily poll and is yesterday's result, today Macron has slipped back a notch. Fillon seems to be hanging on in there and seems to have stemmed the loss of support. Steady at 20 for the past three days in this poll.

    http://www.lesechos.fr/elections/presidentielle-2017/0211778028033-sondage-jour-j-pour-presitrack-notre-suivi-quotidien-de-la-presidentielle-2062958.php
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,552
    edited February 2017
    On topic: Excellent, as ever, Cyclefree and I broadly agree. You've never once written a piece that one could airily dismiss - even when I've disagreed, I would have had to pick apart points of disagreement line by line - and even with my tendency to verbosity that presents a challenge!

    Point 5 about holding Westernised democracies, including the US and - dare I say - Israel, to different, often higher, standards is a good one (although we perhaps sometimes excuse each other on military interventionism), and is the only prism through which one could argue, at this stage, for the exclusion of Trump.

    I like in point 6 how, having previously made strong points on the value of women, you feel able to use the 'playground full of teenage girls' analogy. I approve heartily - true political correctness should focussed on real human dignity, not the denial of difference or the eschewal of any piece of truth that might be gleaned from stereotype.

    Personally, I'm relaxed on Trump's visit and his addressing of parliament - it's a distraction from the bigger concern about the sort of faustian deals we might do with him over the coming years. And a state visit, to sit him down and have a nonagenarian lady who lived through the blitz explain to him chapter and verse the ills of that age, sits well with my liberal liking for restorative justice :)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    edited February 2017

    As someone who wants a second referendum on Scottish Independence and would be very pleased if they attained it, I think such a plan would be suicidal. In exactly the same way that it would have been idiotic for a UK Government to just declare they were leaving the EU with no formal process, the same would apply to Scotland leaving the UK. None of the major issues which would need to be resolved to ensure independence was a success would be sorted out and there would be a significant minority verging on a majority of Scots who would be opposed to the plan.

    For all that the ill informed hot heads in both the Brexit and the Scots Independence movements might like the idea, unilateral declarations are no way to ensure the success of independence unless under the threat of violence and oppression from the existing state. Something that does not apply in the case of either Brexit or Scottish Independence.

    On the other hand May would be absolutely mad to deny the Scots a referendum if they apply for one. No one can deny the situation has materially changed quite dramatically since the last one.
    I wouldn't get bogged down in the details. In 10-20 years, whatever the chaos of UDI, the Scots will have settled down to their post-UK reality.

    The analogy being the likely disruption that any kind of Brexit will cause over the next 2-10 years. Thereafter we will be free and the ruining of this generation's economic well-being, should that transpire, will be seen as a necessary stage on our road to freedom.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    I just read this comment on the web site of a Canadian newspaper:

    "Every country has a province or state that takes lots of money/grants, are opposed to almost everything, almost bankrupt, the bed of socialism, morally correct on all issues (in their own minds), special treatment, the universe of special interest groups, and so and so on. We have our Quebec and the U.S. has their California."

    I guess in the UK we have London.

    Islington - to be precise - or, metaphorically you can find them twitterstorming.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    Sean_F said:

    There are huge savings on Inheritance Tax and Capital Gains Tax.
    Ah yes of course. You're better off being the offspring of married partners in the long term too iirc.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    DavidL said:

    That's bad but really funny.
    Or you may prefer this one

    image
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    edited February 2017

    Shit blows up all the time. Sure, he can - and should - schedule time off but the idea that he can take Monday afternoon off because he worked Sunday morning seems naive at best.
    I'll admit I've never led a her majesty's opposition. But if you're in a job where you have a team, you get to decide when they work and what they do, and you can't get through a typical 24 hour period without multiple things blowing up that nobody else is authorized to handle, you're doing it wrong.

    There are some exceptions to this, but they mostly involve jobs that were done by a dog or a rabbit in a Richard Scarry book.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,381
    TOPPING said:

    I wouldn't get bogged down in the details. In 10-20 years, whatever the chaos of UDI, the Scots will have settled down to their post-UK reality.

    The analogy being the likely disruption that any kind of Brexit will cause over the next 2-10 years. Thereafter we will be free and the ruining of this generation's economic well-being, should that transpire, will be seen as a necessary stage on our road to freedom.
    The question is whether Scots would feel under any obligation to obey a government that simply declared UDI. What if, say, the Court of Session (or the Supreme Court) ruled that UDI was illegal?
  • PlatoSaid said:

    I know you dislike immensely - however saying things like this adds zip to your argument.
    wonderful use of "apparently"
  • It is also why working class immigrants from Asia, Africa and Eastern Europe tend to overtake their white British and Caribbean neighbours. A stable family home and being religious are good predictors of school performance.

    Yes but amongst Asian groups, we can still see class effects, so religion and race are probably not causal factors.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647

    I'll admit I've never led a her majesty's opposition. But if you're in a job where you have a team, and you can't get through a typical 24 hour period without multiple things blowing up that nobody else is authorized to handle, you're doing it wrong.

    There are some exceptions to this, but they mostly involve jobs that were done by a dog or a rabbit in a Richard Scarry book.
    In the light of the makeup of the current shadow cabinet perhaps we should avoid rhetoric which employs the idea of things blowing up.
  • Pulpstar said:

    The only tax break I could see is if you have a non earning partner the personal allowance can be shipped over.
    If you die married, your spouse gets all the assets left to them free of IHT.

    If you have a house worth £0.5M plus in SE England, that's worth a lot...
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Pulpstar said:

    The only tax break I could see is if you have a non earning partner the personal allowance can be shipped over.
    I thought that only applied if the earner was below the higher tax threshold
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited February 2017
    Sean_F said:

    There are huge savings on Inheritance Tax and Capital Gains Tax.
    When Randolph Churchill stood for parliament in Devonport in 1950, some of his London friends helpfully canvassed for him by knocking on doors (in one of the very poorest parts of the country) and asking "do you want to carry on paying super tax at nineteen shillings and six in the £ for the rest of your life?" Same problem here, if we are talking about incentives to the underclass.
  • That jam won't make itself.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    Sean_F said:

    The question is whether Scots would feel under any obligation to obey a government that simply declared UDI. What if, say, the Court of Session (or the Supreme Court) ruled that UDI was illegal?
    Yes well of course no one is saying it isn't fraught with risk.
  • I just read this comment on the web site of a Canadian newspaper:

    "Every country has a province or state that takes lots of money/grants, are opposed to almost everything, almost bankrupt, the bed of socialism, morally correct on all issues (in their own minds), special treatment, the universe of special interest groups, and so and so on. We have our Quebec and the U.S. has their California."

    I guess in the UK we have London.

    Surely California (and London) are subsidising most of the rest of the country.
  • Mr. Urquhart, be fair. Corbyn only ever said he wanted to stand as a potential prime minister. He never said he wanted to work Sundays.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,615

    I just read this comment on the web site of a Canadian newspaper:

    "Every country has a province or state that takes lots of money/grants, are opposed to almost everything, almost bankrupt, the bed of socialism, morally correct on all issues (in their own minds), special treatment, the universe of special interest groups, and so and so on. We have our Quebec and the U.S. has their California."

    I guess in the UK we have London.

    California pays more in federal taxes than it gets back in spending.
  • Mr. Urquhart, be fair. Corbyn only ever said he wanted to stand as a potential prime minister. He never said he wanted to work Sundays.

    Union rules / European time directive say no more than average of 3x hrs a week...
  • An interesting set of Tory backbenchers for PMQs

    Johnny Mercer
    Theresa Villiers
    Sarah Wollaston
    Graham Brady
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Are we due a Jez quitting in 2017 betting thread?
  • I'm sure Lewis would move to the centre. This is the other thing about him: He's the only person who can move to the centre and take the left with him.


    Any hint that he might do that and the membership would not vote for him.

    I suspect Labour is stuffed until the membership die off or leave.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    Scott_P said:

    The spin line from the Zoomers this morning is that this polling comes after "no campaigning for Indy since 2014"
    getting worried Scott, your thinking re Nicola not wanting another referendum being reconsidered perhaps.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,098
    edited February 2017

    An interesting set of Tory backbenchers for PMQs

    Johnny Mercer
    Theresa Villiers
    Sarah Wollaston
    Graham Brady

    Do you see them as people, or as entries in a next Tory leader/PM ledger ?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Twitter has totally lost the plot

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Another one bites the dust. 1.3 million followers and now gone. Thou shalt not offend feminists. https://t.co/O518UAf7cg
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited February 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    When Randolph Churchill stood for parliament in Devonport in 1950, some of his London friends helpfully canvassed for him by knocking on doors (in one of the very poorest parts of the country) and asking "do you want to carry on paying super tax at nineteen shillings and six in the £ for the rest of your life?" Same problem here, if we are talking about incentives to the underclass.
    At the bottom end of the income scale, the incentives of housing benefit and tax credits work against couples living together - often massively so, to the tune of hundreds of pounds a week. Fixing that isn't going to be an easy job though.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Do you see them as people, or as entries in a next Tory leader/PM ledger ?
    People! They're all people. The money is for fun.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    HYUFD said:

    So even despite Brexit and the UK leaving the single market even on the most favourable poll for the Yes side NO would still win and effectively kill off independence for a generation. Of course Yes actually led with yougov a fortnight before the first indyref vote before losing 55% to 45%
    Lol you are an optimistic unionist for sure, wind in your face , less than MOE , trend against you and yetyou tyink you will win, crazy. Do you actually watch what si happening , Tories are slapping Scotland in the face daily , they obviously want a referendum or are stupid.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Do you see them as people, or as entries in a next Tory leader/PM ledger ?
    I'm on team Mercer.

    Have I ever mentioned by humongous man crush on Mr Mercer?
  • Norm said:

    Are we due a Jez quitting in 2017 betting thread?

    We are, but events dear boy means I keep on having to revise it.
  • Mr. Eagles, you mention it more often than I mention differential front end grip.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,626
    Jezza goes with Health...


  • Any hint that he might do that and the membership would not vote for him.

    I suspect Labour is stuffed until the membership die off or leave.
    He wouldn't move to the centre until he got the job, silly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    edited February 2017

    Jezza goes with Health...

    My live stream is 30s behind....no spoilers please...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    There's James Hewitt on the front bench again.
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    OK, but what we are after is an incentive for the underclass to marry.
    Free meerkat stuffed toys?
  • Jezza goes with Health...

    Safety zone.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,399

    I'm only an interested observer in politics, but it was obvious at the time that Blair had decided to go to war in Iraq and that the 45 minutes 'dodgy dossier' was a fig leaf. I can't imagine that any MP 'voted honestly with the information available at the time'. I'm sure that they voted politically.
    Yes I'm sure you are right. I worded that badly (wrong in fact), but I don't think this (unlike other events) makes Bercow a hypocrite and no more than most other MPs who also voted the same. The dodgy dossier may have been dishonest, but the MPs I assume voted honestly believing this to be the correct course of action.

    I can't believe I'm actually defending Bercow and the Iraq war decision here as I beleive both are/were wrong, but one has to show they are wrong with proper evidence. The link between Bercow's Iraq debate voting and his comments on Trump is non existant.


  • Any hint that he might do that and the membership would not vote for him.

    I suspect Labour is stuffed until the membership die off or leave.

    We are well passed peak-Corbyn, hence all the rumours. It's worth remembering that the 40% or so who voted against him last September were mainly long-term members, the ones least likely to leave. When he stands down, Corbyn will take a lot of keyboard members with him.

    My best guess right now is that the next leadership battle will be a relatively polite one between Lisa Nandy and Clive Lewis.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    Not exactly pithy, is he, our Jezza.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited February 2017
    Norm said:

    Are we due a Jez quitting in 2017 betting thread?

    Betfair have a market on JC exit date which they've split into quarters. Unfortunately it's not really got going yet. Q3 '17 is 5.3, which pays if he goes at Conference.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/#/politics/event/28051208/market?marketId=1.120629015
  • TOPPING said:

    There's James Hewitt on the front bench again.

    That's Ben Gummer, he dodged a bullet, it was his sister that ended up eating that burger at the height of the BSE crisis.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647

    My live stream is 30s behind....no spoilers please...
    Wow - Jezza leaping over the despatch box to grab Theresa by the throat.

    Didn't see that coming.
  • Sean_F said:

    The question is whether Scots would feel under any obligation to obey a government that simply declared UDI. What if, say, the Court of Session (or the Supreme Court) ruled that UDI was illegal?
    There are all sorts of things like that. Who is the legitimate authority for any number of areas?

    For that matter, who or what, for example, would be underpinning the financial system? Where would a Scottish government get it's money from, immediately post-UDI? To what extent are Scottish public sector computer sysytems reliant on the UK?
  • We are well passed peak-Corbyn, hence all the rumours. It's worth remembering that the 40% or so who voted against him last September were mainly long-term members, the ones least likely to leave. When he stands down, Corbyn will take a lot of keyboard members with him.

    My best guess right now is that the next leadership battle will be a relatively polite one between Lisa Nandy and Clive Lewis.

    I do hope so.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/10/02/next-labour-leader-lets-do-the-time-warp-again/
  • TOPPING said:

    Wow - Jezza leaping over the despatch box to grab Theresa by the throat.

    Didn't see that coming.
    :lol:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,544
    May: The decision on whether to hold a referendum in Surrey is entirely a matter for Surrey County Council.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    Tezza at her best in this, her leaning forward, sincere, collaborative mode.

    No need for jokes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,252
    edited February 2017
    Mr Speaker: asking an MP to stop bellowing "You're supposed to be a senior statesman".

    Much mirth in the chamber....
  • We are well passed peak-Corbyn, hence all the rumours. It's worth remembering that the 40% or so who voted against him last September were mainly long-term members, the ones least likely to leave. When he stands down, Corbyn will take a lot of keyboard members with him.

    My best guess right now is that the next leadership battle will be a relatively polite one between Lisa Nandy and Clive Lewis.

    The keyboard Corbynista have hit a blockage in their adulation: his lukewarm efforts on Brexit. Most are Remainers I would guess.

    Any general membership numbers from Labour recently? Other than the 8,000 who left last week over the 3-line whip.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    edited February 2017
    Team jezza with a good setup of a leak but is this not the wrong week to bring it up as it will be buried by brexit vote.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,626
    I like Jezza's approach of reminding everyone of the question he had asked - which Tezza of course hadn't answered.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,252
    Jezza going on about the old and the vulnerable. No irony there....
  • Team jezza with a good setup of a leak but is this not the wrong week to bring it up as it will be buried by brexit vote.

    Au contraire, this is Corbyn's best PMQs at a time when he really needs it.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,376
    Mr Observer,

    "My best guess right now is that the next leadership battle will be a relatively polite one between Lisa Nandy and Clive Lewis."

    That would doom Ukip in the North.

    Jezza has a whiff of "What Macclesfield desperately needs in more transgender toilets."

    Other Northern towns are available.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    PMQs again showing why the politics needs to be taken out of healthcare - this petty point-scoring on both sides isn't doing anything to address the issues.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Unless there is an up-front deal to get a 'better' lefty on the ballot

    (Like I've been advocating for a year and a half!)
    The only figure who fits that bill is Clive Lewis. Given that the two men have fallen out it doesn't look likely. Nandy is an outside option, but she quit under him so hard to envisage.
  • That's Ben Gummer, he dodged a bullet, it was his sister that ended up eating that burger at the height of the BSE crisis.
    John Selwyn is a man of principle, I'm sure he force-fed raw spinal cord to all his kids in the privacy of his own home.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Jezza not shit. Weird.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited February 2017

    wonderful use of "apparently"
    I enjoy 'so', followed by absolutist hyperbole statement - *not an argument*

    Honestly, I expect much better from the sensible PBers - my definition being those who refrain from playground bullying as a default position.
  • Sandpit said:

    PMQs again showing why the politics needs to be taken out of healthcare - this petty point-scoring on both sides isn't doing anything to address the issues.

    The only way to take politics out of healthcare is to have a private system with no public involvement - and not even America does that. Otherwise we will always have public involvement and therefore political involvement.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    That's actually a good idea, people operate better with two days a week of time off to relax and chew things over.
    Yes. I was wondering what was so weird about it too!
  • I get don't this belief that Clive Lewis is the answer for labour. Yes he is a good back story, but he was sacked by local bbc for being thick as two short planks. Labours current labour is equally thick and it shows.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,607
    Thanks to all for your comments/birthday wishes etc.

    And to darling Roger: I wrote those paragraphs for free. Even lawyers have a heart. :)

    Re civil rights in the US this PBS documentary is very well worth seeing - Eyes on the Prize - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092999/. It uses a lot of film from the time and is both shocking (in the violence it shows) and uplifting in showing how the campaigners kept on going.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    weejonnie said:

    Or you may prefer this one

    image
    The media IMO is being totally irresponsible - I'm much more worried by their inflammatory rhetoric and imagery than Trump.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,504

    That's Ben Gummer, he dodged a bullet, it was his sister that ended up eating that burger at the height of the BSE crisis.
    She survived, didn't she? :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    Jobabob said:

    The only figure who fits that bill is Clive Lewis. Given that the two men have fallen out it doesn't look likely. Nandy is an outside option, but she qmunder him so hard to envisage.
    Lewis backs Trident, Nandy backed Owen Smith. Why would current Labour members vote for them now?

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,252

    John Selwyn is a man of principle, I'm sure he force-fed raw spinal cord to all his kids in the privacy of his own home.
    So, dining just like the French then?
  • tlg86 said:

    She survived, didn't she? :D
    She did, but Ben Gummer's political career would have been haunted by that clip.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    TOPPING said:

    Wow - Jezza leaping over the despatch box to grab Theresa by the throat.

    Didn't see that coming.
    Lol
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    PlatoSaid said:

    I enjoy 'so', followed by absolutist hyperbole statement - *not an argument*

    Honestly, I expect much better from the sensible PBers - my definition being those who refrain from playground bullying as a default position.
    Well then, take it up with this lot

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-steve-bannon-nsc-national-security-council-order-a7565191.html

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