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First like Bercow in the morning news.0
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@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when0
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@PlatoSaid
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Plato, I've done a little scurrying around the field of truth that is Google.
Looks like I was wrong, the subject of this lady's documentary was no problem, the problem was the lady herself. Not a lot of people seem to like her. Strange0 -
Ideal candidate a certain Mr J BercowTheScreamingEagles said:
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Summer 2018. I thought McDonnell's "we'll be ahead in the polls in a year" comment was very telling.Scott_P said:@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when
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Hearing that the surrey council tax referendum might be off0
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O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.0
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Bugger, I wanted to see what the vote would have been like in the referendumJohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
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It's hard to see how the hard left get enough nominations. A unity candidate like Nandy from the soft left might be a better bet for the plotters.DanSmith said:
Summer 2018. I thought McDonnell's "we'll be ahead in the polls in a year" comment was very telling.Scott_P said:@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when
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Another one? Is Labour going to have a leadership election every year?Scott_P said:@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when
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The speaker of the Lords is rightly miffed with Bercow’s student antics and rapped him over the knuckles on the issue. There will be many in the house whose low opinion of Bercow will now have been confirmed, some may even speak out, but that, I suspect is where it will end.
I doubt things will escalate to a vote of no confidence on the speaker, the PM will ignore Bercow’s outburst and a speech by Trump will be made in some form or other. If indeed the offer was ever made, or desired.0 -
Bercow has every right to campaign against the Government's foreign policy, but not as Speaker.0
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Interesting this is coming now from the left, not Blairites. doesn't bold well for unity going foward.0
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@PickardJE: Javid calls LibDems "lazy". Mulholland calls Javid "pathetic". Javid calls Labour "an excuse of an opposition". Healey calls Javid "feeble".
@PickardJE: Welcome to the mother of Parliaments, the engine room of British democracy.0 -
Interesting, by ‘the left’ is that the non Blairites who up till now have supported Corbyn?Scott_P said:@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when
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Time for Bercow to bow out before he his position becomes untenable, bring on the Moggster!0
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"People have to understand: Trump did not run to be Archbishop of Canterbury.”
Interesting article about the 'ideas' people behind Trump:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/steve-bannon-books-reading-list-2147450 -
If Labour lose Copeland and Stoke would be the timeTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
They should start doing these properly: have a panel of celebrity judges and televise it. The BBC seem willing to air any old reality tv tat these days, so that should be easy.GIN1138 said:
Another one? Is Labour going to have a leadership election every year?Scott_P said:@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when
What would it be called, though? They already did Somewhere Over the Rainbow, I think....0 -
I've seen a couple of BBC3 docus where the presenters didn't get what they expected. Andy Peters was quite shocked by anti-white racism in South Africa.Blue_rog said:@PlatoSaid
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Plato, I've done a little scurrying around the field of truth that is Google.
Looks like I was wrong, the subject of this lady's documentary was no problem, the problem was the lady herself. Not a lot of people seem to like her. Strange
This is the Meyer panel with Affleck - Ben's not listening, just angry
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That's still way ahead of inflation! What does 'recommending' mean out of interest? How is the figure approved and by whom?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
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Will there be a stalking hippo?Scott_P said:@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when
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Brutal but I must confess to laughing out loud.williamglenn said:
Will there be a stalking hippo?Scott_P said:@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when
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It might also pay out if we have an early general election.
A very good point and, if he was planning on otherwise standing down in 2018, highly likely that he'd take the opportunity to retire at the GE instead.
I agree that 5/1 is decent value. I don't think it should be above 3/1.0 -
Less than 15% "yes", and probably less than 4.99%...TheScreamingEagles said:
Bugger, I wanted to see what the vote would have been like in the referendumJohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
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It's a recommendation of cabinet to full council, I would be more than surprised if a Conservative council overruled its own cabinet on a council tax rise referendum.Patrick said:
That's still way ahead of inflation! What does 'recommending' mean out of interest? How is the figure approved and by whom?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
Our budget meeting is next week, there are some huge rises in fees and charges - we now have to charge people for many discretionary services that only some benefit from (and 'benefit' is loosely defined when it comes to resident parking schemes.) So thanks to the Government council tax rise limit, we have to spend far more money administering small charges all over the place, a very inefficient way for the Government to get their low tax headline. It really is time for the council tax referendum limit to go - if you don't like what your councillors decide, vote for someone else to run things.0 -
Although that's offset by just (just!) a 7-point Con lead, 37:30.Scott_P said:
The date on the release is 31 Jan. have we seen this poll before?0 -
What voters think would be a good Brexit
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewCooper__/status/8289587730164572160 -
Off-topic:
Intel might have a rather expensive ticking (or non-ticking) time bomb in some of their Atom chips:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/cisco_intel_decline_to_link_product_warning_to_faulty_chip/0 -
It was on the Guardian website on Saturday night, and discussed on PB then.david_herdson said:
Although that's offset by just (just!) a 7-point Con lead, 37:30.Scott_P said:
The date on the release is 31 Jan. have we seen this poll before?
Here's a newer poll
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/8289249201513390130 -
The Council will vote later this afternoon and the 4.99% will be carried overwhelmingly, perhaps unanimously. The increase comprises 1.99% allowed under the rules with the additional 3% permitted to fund adult social care.Patrick said:
That's still way ahead of inflation! What does 'recommending' mean out of interest? How is the figure approved and by whom?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
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AFAIK, no British party has ever had three contested leadership elections in three consecutive years. Labour comes closest with 1960/61/63, though that final contest resulted from Gaitskell's death rather than a challenge to an incumbent or a resignation under pressure or from a sense of honour.GIN1138 said:
Another one? Is Labour going to have a leadership election every year?Scott_P said:@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when
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*tinfoil hat time*
How about this three-line whip for A50 is on purpose to divide the party. Put most of the Blairites on the wrong side by getting them to vote for it, but leaving a few people to rebel it (Abbot, Lewis etc?) then they on purpose remove Corbyn and then a new lefty, who will be on touch with the labour membership in this issue.
If you wanted to shaft someone like Stamer, and get someone else from the left of the party as leader, then that would how you do it.0 -
Who polices the 3% to fund adult social care - and what is included in the definition? The council leader mentioned children's services when the referendum was announced which immediately put me off.JohnO said:
The Council will vote later this afternoon and the 4.99% will be carried overwhelmingly, perhaps unanimously. The increase comprises 1.99% allowed under the rules with the additional 3% permitted to fund adult social care.Patrick said:
That's still way ahead of inflation! What does 'recommending' mean out of interest? How is the figure approved and by whom?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
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Bercow has managed to become even more of an embarrassment than Mrs Bercow.0
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"very modest"TheScreamingEagles said:
It was on the Guardian website on Saturday night, and discussed on PB then.david_herdson said:
Although that's offset by just (just!) a 7-point Con lead, 37:30.Scott_P said:
The date on the release is 31 Jan. have we seen this poll before?
Here's a newer poll
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/8289249201513390130 -
Don't us Surrey taxpayers get a say? Dear Lord - I may have to vote in a local election for the first time in my life. Tory. I would, for the avoidance of doubt, approve the 4.99%. 15% is out of order but I'm sure I'm good for a 5% bump up.JohnO said:
The Council will vote later this afternoon and the 4.99% will be carried overwhelmingly, perhaps unanimously. The increase comprises 1.99% allowed under the rules with the additional 3% permitted to fund adult social care.Patrick said:
That's still way ahead of inflation! What does 'recommending' mean out of interest? How is the figure approved and by whom?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
I wasn't aware that social care was even eligible for a separate inflator of up to 3%. Given all the kerfuffle about social care in the news these days I'm guessing Surrey going for the full monty will set a precedent. 3% on top of inflation each year is alot!
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Good afternoon, everyone.
Bercow's safe. The opposition will line up behind him, and he'll have enough blues on-side. He should, however, be tossed overboard.0 -
As a candidate in a marginal seat, I very much hope so!tlg86 said:
Do you think the Tories will retain control of the council?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
My guess is that now the 15% is off the agenda, the likelihood is that they should, particularly if the Conservatives are polling well nationally.0 -
Who is going to nominate this new lefty?Slackbladder said:*tinfoil hat time*
How about this three-line whip for A50 is on purpose to divide the party. Put most of the Blairites on the wrong side by getting them to vote for it, but leaving a few people to rebel it (Abbot, Lewis etc?) then they on purpose remove Corbyn and then a new lefty, who will be on touch with the labour membership in this issue.
If you wanted to shaft someone like Sta[r]mer, and get someone else from the left of the party as leader, then that would how you do it.0 -
Wow. Doesn't bode well for Merkel.isam said:0 -
If I live in Cobham are you in my seat? I might even pop along in May!JohnO said:
As a candidate in a marginal seat, I very much hope so!tlg86 said:
Do you think the Tories will retain control of the council?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
My guess is that now the 15% is off the agenda, the likelihood is that they should, particularly if the Conservatives are polling well nationally.
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Pretty sure someone like Clive Lewis would get there.david_herdson said:
Who is going to nominate this new lefty?Slackbladder said:*tinfoil hat time*
How about this three-line whip for A50 is on purpose to divide the party. Put most of the Blairites on the wrong side by getting them to vote for it, but leaving a few people to rebel it (Abbot, Lewis etc?) then they on purpose remove Corbyn and then a new lefty, who will be on touch with the labour membership in this issue.
If you wanted to shaft someone like Sta[r]mer, and get someone else from the left of the party as leader, then that would how you do it.0 -
Looks about right - Guardian reports:Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bercow's safe. The opposition will line up behind him, and he'll have enough blues on-side. He should, however, be tossed overboard.
Sir Edward Leigh, a Conservative, says he has doubts about not inviting the president of America to parliament, but that he thinks the Commons can only work if they respect the authority of the speaker...0 -
It's bizarre, how can anyone describe a indicated move of about a quarter of the margin of error as any sort of move at all, however modest ?BannedInParis said:
"very modest"TheScreamingEagles said:
It was on the Guardian website on Saturday night, and discussed on PB then.david_herdson said:
Although that's offset by just (just!) a 7-point Con lead, 37:30.Scott_P said:
The date on the release is 31 Jan. have we seen this poll before?
Here's a newer poll
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/8289249201513390130 -
Depends if she can shake off that Brexit flu.Essexit said:
Brutal but I must confess to laughing out loud.williamglenn said:
Will there be a stalking hippo?Scott_P said:@JenWilliamsMEN: Labour MP tells me those on the left are starting to mobilise for a leadership challenge. Bets are being taken on when
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Goes to show actually how damaging the lefts continued utter outrage against Trump is dangerous. Without seeing theother side, society is getting more and more polarised.rottenborough said:
Wow. Doesn't bode well for Merkel.isam said:0 -
Has May flipped? What about our effing trade deal? First Bercow and now the PM herself holding Donald up to criticism and ridicule. Don't they know how tetchy he can get? Sorry, but these politicians are not taking Brexit and its implications with the seriousness it demands.Scott_P said:0 -
No, next door in Hersham. Mary Lewis is your excellent CouncillorPatrick said:
If I live in Cobham are you in my seat? I might even pop along in May!JohnO said:
As a candidate in a marginal seat, I very much hope so!tlg86 said:
Do you think the Tories will retain control of the council?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
My guess is that now the 15% is off the agenda, the likelihood is that they should, particularly if the Conservatives are polling well nationally.0 -
Bagshot here! Surrey represent!Patrick said:
If I live in Cobham are you in my seat? I might even pop along in May!JohnO said:
As a candidate in a marginal seat, I very much hope so!tlg86 said:
Do you think the Tories will retain control of the council?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
My guess is that now the 15% is off the agenda, the likelihood is that they should, particularly if the Conservatives are polling well nationally.0 -
...and they can only respect the authority of the speaker while he has the confidence of the House.Nigelb said:Looks about right - Guardian reports:
Sir Edward Leigh, a Conservative, says he has doubts about not inviting the president of America to parliament, but that he thinks the Commons can only work if they respect the authority of the speaker...
Even Gorbals Mick had the self awareness to go0 -
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@BBCNormanS: Tory Gerald Howarth tells Speaker that MPs need to be able to have "full confidence in your impartiality"0
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Settling in to a steady 15% Tory lead, give or take. It's going to need Corbyn getting the boot to change that. Even then - who the hell leads Labour? And where do they get some credible policies from? Become UKIP-Lite??TheScreamingEagles said:
It was on the Guardian website on Saturday night, and discussed on PB then.david_herdson said:
Although that's offset by just (just!) a 7-point Con lead, 37:30.Scott_P said:
The date on the release is 31 Jan. have we seen this poll before?
Here's a newer poll
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/8289249201513390130 -
Question: can Labour restore itself to relevance without any new leader explicitly repudiating Corbyn?0
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I'm Woking South West - should be a Tory hold.Slackbladder said:
Bagshot here! Surrey represent!Patrick said:
If I live in Cobham are you in my seat? I might even pop along in May!JohnO said:
As a candidate in a marginal seat, I very much hope so!tlg86 said:
Do you think the Tories will retain control of the council?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
My guess is that now the 15% is off the agenda, the likelihood is that they should, particularly if the Conservatives are polling well nationally.0 -
NoTissue_Price said:Question: can Labour restore itself to relevance without any new leader explicitly repudiating Corbyn?
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Looking at Surrey County Council wiki page I note that out of 81 councillors we have 1 Labour and 1 Green! Standards are slipping.0
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Astonishing, he made them land a 5000-1 shot last season; and now he has the vote of confidence by the board.Scott_P said:
Do they even know they were born ?
I'd be very very glad to have him at Coventry City for life, but I doubt even he could turn us round.0 -
I don't think any need to attack him personally. But probably would be good for a new leader to make some gesture or policy call to show he or she is different.Tissue_Price said:Question: can Labour restore itself to relevance without any new leader explicitly repudiating Corbyn?
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It's the membership who voted for him that needs repudiating! Whoever they eventually replace him with the country is still faced with the unpalatable reality that the membership are Marxists and the PLP spineless surrender monkeys - and that they can only hope to form a government in coalition with wee Jimmie Krankie yanking her chain.Tissue_Price said:Question: can Labour restore itself to relevance without any new leader explicitly repudiating Corbyn?
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It's not simply a question of a simple majority though, which Bercow could certainly muster. A Speaker must command the confidence of the overwhelming majority of the House: probably at least 90%, assuming that parties aren't playing games. There is of course no convention on the matter but there doesn't need to be -as the convention is that MPs don't criticise openly but if they do, it's time to go.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bercow's safe. The opposition will line up behind him, and he'll have enough blues on-side. He should, however, be tossed overboard.0 -
Is a dam breaking?
"A second Swedish police officer has gone public to blow the whistle on how authorities are covering up a migrant crime wave just days after another top cop was reported as a “racist” for making similar comments.
Last week Peter Springare, police investigator and former deputy head of the division for serious crimes at the police in Örebro, made headlines after he wrote a Facebook post in which he detailed how the country was in “chaos” due to a never ending epidemic of serious crimes being committed by Muslim migrants.
Springare may now face charges under Sweden’s strict hate crime laws simply for accurately identifying the problem after he was reported to authorities over the remarks.
However, Springare has also received a deluge of support from both the public and his fellow police officers, one of whom came forward to validate his concerns.
In a Facebook message posted on a page set up to support Springare that currently has over 92,000 likes, Tomas Åsenlöv, a police officer for Greater Gothenburg, exposed how police have been told to implement a “Code 291” procedure in order to cover-up information about crimes committed by migrants...
http://www.infowars.com/second-swedish-police-officer-blows-the-whistle-on-migrant-crime-cover-up/0 -
What has Corbyn done apart from win the leadership contest and bore the shadow cabinet with his ramblings? What is there to repudiate?Tissue_Price said:Question: can Labour restore itself to relevance without any new leader explicitly repudiating Corbyn?
A replacement needs to put a different face on the party, and to concentrate on domestic issues. They need to show vision and leadership. It is the decline of living standards of people on average earnings or less that is driving discontent in Europe and America.
As a general rule it is domestic politics that wins popularity, and foreign policy that loses it.0 -
What's the inside story behind that then, John?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
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Willie Thorne on R5 or talksport the other day said he WOULDNT accept relegation as a trade off for last years success... I find that extraordinary, although Thorne is a known losing gambler so his judgement may not be sound. I hope its not representativePulpstar said:
Astonishing, he made them land a 5000-1 shot last season; and now he has the vote of confidence by the board.Scott_P said:
Do they even know they were born ?
I'd be very very glad to have him at Coventry City for life, but I doubt even he could turn us round.0 -
Mr. Herdson, Bercow proved right from the start when he campaigned for the job he doesn't care about convention, something again proven when he decided neutrality doesn't matter any more if he decides otherwise. He'd get a majority, probably a small one, and stick around anyway.0
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Bercow isn't a particularly attractive personality but will survive because he commands opposition support on the politics and backbencher Tory support on the process.
For example, without Bercow ruling as favourably as he did, it is unlikely the Tory Right could have ambushed Cameron on Europe quite so effectively as they did during 2011-2014 and Steve Baker could not have got through his amendments on the EU referendum bill.0 -
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/john-bercow-consistently-voted-iraq-war-hes-colossal-hypocrite-not-hero/
Indeed, it’s becoming clear that Trump-bashing is primarily a means of moral cleansing, of averting the public and historic gaze from your own sins and crimes and confusions by taking part in the Two Minute Hate of this ‘New Hitler’. Just say: ‘I oppose Trump, and therefore I’m good.’ Shame on everyone indulging this spectacle, clapping and tweeting as the politicians who started a decade of war berate a politician for passing a three-month travel ban.0 -
Wish I knew...tuned into the webcast fully anticipating the 15% and then....what did he just say!Casino_Royale said:
What's the inside story behind that then, John?JohnO said:O/T Surrey County Council withdraws proposal for 15% increase in Council Tax, and is now recommending 4.99%. No referendum, thank goodness.
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Ridiculous. It is trophies and titles that history judges you by as a sports club or person. Noone cares if you're near the top of the Championship or near the bottom of the prem in Season 17/18 or whatever when looking back from say 2025.isam said:
Willie Thorne on R5 or talksport the other day said he WOULDNT accept relegation as a trade off for last years success... I find that extraordinary, although Thorne is a known losing gambler so his judgement may not be sound. I hope its not representativePulpstar said:
Astonishing, he made them land a 5000-1 shot last season; and now he has the vote of confidence by the board.Scott_P said:
Do they even know they were born ?
I'd be very very glad to have him at Coventry City for life, but I doubt even he could turn us round.0 -
They need to repudiate the fact of his election. Essentially "Labour will not elect joke candidates to lead it in future". Otherwise we're only a heartbeat away from Prime Minister Skinner if Labour should win a general election.foxinsoxuk said:
What has Corbyn done apart from win the leadership contest and bore the shadow cabinet with his ramblings? What is there to repudiate?Tissue_Price said:Question: can Labour restore itself to relevance without any new leader explicitly repudiating Corbyn?
A replacement needs to put a different face on the party, and to concentrate on domestic issues. They need to show vision and leadership. It is the decline of living standards of people on average earnings or less that is driving discontent in Europe and America.
As a general rule it is domestic politics that wins popularity, and foreign policy that loses it.0 -
From the Tele blog
Negotiations will be most important for decades
Keir Starmer, Labour's shadow Brexit secretary, is kicking off today's Brexit debate.
He says:
It's important as we go through this debate today that we remind ourselves of the context.
The negotiations that will take place under Article 50 will be the most difficult, most complex and the most important for decades.
"We must have tariff-free access to the single market, barrier-free access, regulatory alignment and full access for services as well as goods.
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Last years win must have been fake news...Pulpstar said:
Astonishing, he made them land a 5000-1 shot last season; and now he has the vote of confidence by the board.Scott_P said:
Do they even know they were born ?
I'd be very very glad to have him at Coventry City for life, but I doubt even he could turn us round.
Our owners are very slow to sack managers, so I think Claudio will last.
On Sunday 9 out of 11 starting players were the same as last seasons champions, with only Musa and Ndidi new, and Ndidi was Motm for Leicester. The formation was the same too, and Claudio has tinkered very little. I blame the players for losing focus.
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Interesting statistical reflections on London in the referendum, essentially arguing that there was no specific "London" effect, just more-or-less what you'd expect from London's makeup.
https://twitter.com/epkaufm/status/8289465648235274240 -
@BBCNormanS: BIG Govt concession on Brexit. MPs will get vote on final deal before its finalised.0
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OT - but fascinating:
A state by state guide to turnout at the US presidential election in 2016:
http://www.electproject.org/2016g
There does seem to be a slightly higher turnout in quite a few swing states, which may imply that some supporters of the non-dominant party in some safe states do indeed not bother to vote.0 -
Nice oxymoron there.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: BIG Govt concession on Brexit. MPs will get vote on final deal before its finalised.
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@BBCNormanS: Govt say Brexit vote will be on both the withdrawl process and the future trading arrangements with EU0
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Mr. P, depends, that might not be much of a concession at all. If the options are This Deal and No Deal, This Deal is near certain to pass easily.0
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Hasn't that always been the case? Parliament approves the deal or we leave with no deal at all.Tissue_Price said:
Nice oxymoron there.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: BIG Govt concession on Brexit. MPs will get vote on final deal before its finalised.
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@DavidLammy: In the event of no deal Parliament must decide what happens next. Remaining in EU & re-opening negotiations must be on the table in 2019.
@DavidLammy: Under no circumstances can the Govnt pull us out of the EU in 2019 without a deal in place. Vote must not be simply "take it or leave it".0 -
The new leader would have to change the leadership election rules.Tissue_Price said:
They need to repudiate the fact of his election. Essentially "Labour will not elect joke candidates to lead it in future". Otherwise we're only a heartbeat away from Prime Minister Skinner if Labour should win a general election.foxinsoxuk said:
What has Corbyn done apart from win the leadership contest and bore the shadow cabinet with his ramblings? What is there to repudiate?Tissue_Price said:Question: can Labour restore itself to relevance without any new leader explicitly repudiating Corbyn?
A replacement needs to put a different face on the party, and to concentrate on domestic issues. They need to show vision and leadership. It is the decline of living standards of people on average earnings or less that is driving discontent in Europe and America.
As a general rule it is domestic politics that wins popularity, and foreign policy that loses it.
Any nominee needs the support of 30% of MPs, and any MPs lending out sympathy nominations to broaden the debate will be hung from Traitors' Gate.0 -
I couldn't agree more.ThreeQuidder said:http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/john-bercow-consistently-voted-iraq-war-hes-colossal-hypocrite-not-hero/
Indeed, it’s becoming clear that Trump-bashing is primarily a means of moral cleansing, of averting the public and historic gaze from your own sins and crimes and confusions by taking part in the Two Minute Hate of this ‘New Hitler’. Just say: ‘I oppose Trump, and therefore I’m good.’ Shame on everyone indulging this spectacle, clapping and tweeting as the politicians who started a decade of war berate a politician for passing a three-month travel ban.0 -
He really doesn't get A50 does he? Or he affects not to.Scott_P said:@DavidLammy: In the event of no deal Parliament must decide what happens next. Remaining in EU & re-opening negotiations must be on the table in 2019.
@DavidLammy: Under no circumstances can the Govnt pull us out of the EU in 2019 without a deal in place. Vote must not be simply "take it or leave it".0 -
Me too.. and I say this as someone who despises the air that he breathes!!PlatoSaid said:
I couldn't agree more.ThreeQuidder said:http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/john-bercow-consistently-voted-iraq-war-hes-colossal-hypocrite-not-hero/
Indeed, it’s becoming clear that Trump-bashing is primarily a means of moral cleansing, of averting the public and historic gaze from your own sins and crimes and confusions by taking part in the Two Minute Hate of this ‘New Hitler’. Just say: ‘I oppose Trump, and therefore I’m good.’ Shame on everyone indulging this spectacle, clapping and tweeting as the politicians who started a decade of war berate a politician for passing a three-month travel ban.
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Is that concession? If they approve we can shake hands with EU. If they don't we leave with no deal. Either way we're out. Brexit means Brexit and all that .Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: BIG Govt concession on Brexit. MPs will get vote on final deal before its finalised.
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Oh myTissue_Price said:Interesting statistical reflections on London in the referendum, essentially arguing that there was no specific "London" effect, just more-or-less what you'd expect from London's makeup.
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Not really a concession. The government would always be held to account on a matter of that importance, one way or another. Daft to have dragged it out so long.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: BIG Govt concession on Brexit. MPs will get vote on final deal before its finalised.
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