Indeed, it’s becoming clear that Trump-bashing is primarily a means of moral cleansing, of averting the public and historic gaze from your own sins and crimes and confusions by taking part in the Two Minute Hate of this ‘New Hitler’. Just say: ‘I oppose Trump, and therefore I’m good.’ Shame on everyone indulging this spectacle, clapping and tweeting as the politicians who started a decade of war berate a politician for passing a three-month travel ban.
And it was said that most on this site opposed Trump. I actually think there are quite few here who are openly sympathetic to his agenda.
I think both of those are true. I certainly opposed Trump (I opposed Clinton too, but that doesn't change anything). But the ridiculously over-the-top behaviour by his opponents can't help but make me wonder whether I shouldn't be sympathetic to him.
On the poll posted by isam: recent polling has also shown that most of the British public disagree with Trump's policy. Different polls show different things I guess.
Is that the classic "support an anonymous policy, reject it when it's linked to its proponent" that the Tories suffered from in 2005?
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Are the hijackers from Cambridge and don't fancy the trip round the M25 ?
Those variable speed cameras are the spawn of Satan, so you're probably right.
It's not quite on the Heathrow - Stansted direct route, but didn't some speed cameras further south on the M11 lead to both exciting political and jail times ?
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I think much air travel is perverse, polluting and wasteful, but I wouldn't wish a weevil-y meal on anyone. The guaranteed solution for your boss would be for him/her to pack one's own meal. This is a time honoured English practice. For instance I believe this is standard at Glyndebourne performances (?)
He was very much a meat and two veg man, rather than an aficionado of the raspberry and Cointreau roulade obligatory in every Glyndebourne hamper....
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
Trump is a fascinating phenomenon. He has materialised as a consequence of what many on the right predicted - that if the liberal-left establishment just went ahead and did things in the name of the working (wo)man without getting them onside, because it was in their minds "the right thing to do - so fvck 'em if they object", then at some point those they claimed to be speaking for would violently disagree.
That those on the Right thought the dangerous genie that is Trump would come out of the bottle if you kept rubbing it up the wrong way doesn't mean we approve. That is the mistake the liberal-left is making over Trump. The Right - certainly in Europe, and probably through much of the Republican Party - don't consider him "one of their own". However, there is a certain grim satisfaction that the genie should appear as expected. And a wry sense of fun at how the liberal-left propose to get him back in the bottle.
Yeah but the republican party still voted for him. The family values crowd and the small government crowd and the defend the constitution crowd and the free trade crowd all voted for him anyway. Did they pause in the ballot box as they abandoned their principles? Doubt it.
And now people try to blame liberals for Trump. Did we vote for him? I don't think so.
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I think much air travel is perverse, polluting and wasteful, but I wouldn't wish a weevil-y meal on anyone. The guaranteed solution for your boss would be for him/her to pack one's own meal. This is a time honoured English practice. For instance I believe this is standard at Glyndebourne performances (?)
Here's an example of what sort of packed meal a gastronome can take on a plane.
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I think much air travel is perverse, polluting and wasteful, but I wouldn't wish a weevil-y meal on anyone. The guaranteed solution for your boss would be for him/her to pack one's own meal. This is a time honoured English practice. For instance I believe this is standard at Glyndebourne performances (?)
He was very much a meat and two veg man, rather than an aficionado of the raspberry and Cointreau roulade obligatory in every Glyndebourne hamper....
Hamper?
The one time I went to Glyndebourne my lunch was packed in Tupperware.
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I've flown PIA once in my life, never again.
Thank feck I don't have any relatives in Pakistan.
PIA use have a great big hoarding at Islamabad airport proclaiming "Pakistan International Airlines - 28 take-offs and 28 landings at Islamabad every day!". I'm sure there were some days when the ledger didn't balance though....
That said, not as bad as flying out of Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, where one of the pilots used to have a parrot on his shoulder during the flight.
He crashed into the volcano on take-off. The ledger didn't balance that day....
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I think much air travel is perverse, polluting and wasteful, but I wouldn't wish a weevil-y meal on anyone. The guaranteed solution for your boss would be for him/her to pack one's own meal. This is a time honoured English practice. For instance I believe this is standard at Glyndebourne performances (?)
He was very much a meat and two veg man, rather than an aficionado of the raspberry and Cointreau roulade obligatory in every Glyndebourne hamper....
Hamper?
The one time I went to Glyndebourne my lunch was packed in Tupperware.
Then you haven't yet had the full Glyndebourne experience...
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I've flown PIA once in my life, never again.
Thank feck I don't have any relatives in Pakistan.
PIA use have a great big hoarding at Islamabad airport proclaiming "Pakistan International Airlines - 28 take-offs and 28 landings at Islamabad every day!". I'm sure there were some days when the ledger didn't balance though....
That said, not as bad as flying out of Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, where one of the pilots used to have a parrot on his shoulder during the flight.
He crashed into the volcano on take-off. The ledger didn't balance that day....
It was the old Hong Kong airport that scared the bejesus out of me.
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I think much air travel is perverse, polluting and wasteful, but I wouldn't wish a weevil-y meal on anyone. The guaranteed solution for your boss would be for him/her to pack one's own meal. This is a time honoured English practice. For instance I believe this is standard at Glyndebourne performances (?)
He was very much a meat and two veg man, rather than an aficionado of the raspberry and Cointreau roulade obligatory in every Glyndebourne hamper....
Hamper?
The one time I went to Glyndebourne my lunch was packed in Tupperware.
Then you haven't yet had the full Glyndebourne experience...
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I've flown PIA once in my life, never again.
Thank feck I don't have any relatives in Pakistan.
It gets worrying when they start the prayers. You know the invocations to God are specific, not general!
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I've flown PIA once in my life, never again.
Thank feck I don't have any relatives in Pakistan.
PIA use have a great big hoarding at Islamabad airport proclaiming "Pakistan International Airlines - 28 take-offs and 28 landings at Islamabad every day!". I'm sure there were some days when the ledger didn't balance though....
That said, not as bad as flying out of Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, where one of the pilots used to have a parrot on his shoulder during the flight.
He crashed into the volcano on take-off. The ledger didn't balance that day....
It was the old Hong Kong airport that scared the bejesus out of me.
Wuss. What's not to love, looking at what people in Honkers were having for their dinner as you dived between the skyscrapers before that epic ninety degree turn to starboard.... Once got that far as we were trying to land ahead of a typhoon hitting. Pilot bottled it - and pulled the nose up at the turn. Now THAT might have caused you to wreck your kecks...
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I've flown PIA once in my life, never again.
Thank feck I don't have any relatives in Pakistan.
It gets worrying when they start the prayers. You know the invocations to God are specific, not general!
I'd forgotten about that! Probably be slightly less sanguine these days about hearing "Allahu akbar!" over the tannoy....
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I've flown PIA once in my life, never again.
Thank feck I don't have any relatives in Pakistan.
PIA use have a great big hoarding at Islamabad airport proclaiming "Pakistan International Airlines - 28 take-offs and 28 landings at Islamabad every day!". I'm sure there were some days when the ledger didn't balance though....
That said, not as bad as flying out of Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, where one of the pilots used to have a parrot on his shoulder during the flight.
He crashed into the volcano on take-off. The ledger didn't balance that day....
It was the old Hong Kong airport that scared the bejesus out of me.
Wuss. What's not to love, looking at what people in Honkers were having for their dinner as you dived between the skyscrapers before that epic ninety degree turn to starboard.... Once got that far as we were trying to land ahead of a typhoon hitting. Pilot bottled it - and pulled the nose up at the turn. Now THAT might have caused you to wreck your kecks...
Didn't Concorde once land at Kai Tak? Now that must have been a sight.
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
Trump is a fascinating phenomenon. He has materialised as a consequence of what many on the right predicted - that if the liberal-left establishment just went ahead and did things in the name of the working (wo)man without getting them onside, because it was in their minds "the right thing to do - so fvck 'em if they object", then at some point those they claimed to be speaking for would violently disagree.
That those on the Right thought the dangerous genie that is Trump would come out of the bottle if you kept rubbing it up the wrong way doesn't mean we approve. That is the mistake the liberal-left is making over Trump. The Right - certainly in Europe, and probably through much of the Republican Party - don't consider him "one of their own". However, there is a certain grim satisfaction that the genie should appear as expected. And a wry sense of fun at how the liberal-left propose to get him back in the bottle.
Yeah but the republican party still voted for him. The family values crowd and the small government crowd and the defend the constitution crowd and the free trade crowd all voted for him anyway. Did they pause in the ballot box as they abandoned their principles? Doubt it.
And now people try to blame liberals for Trump. Did we vote for him? I don't think so.
MarqueeMark does seems to be blaming the 'Liberal Left' for Trump. It's a strange viewpoint. You can blame them for not having a strong enough candidate, that makes sense. You could also blame the Republican establishment for all their candidates not being strong enough.
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
Indeed, it’s becoming clear that Trump-bashing is primarily a means of moral cleansing, of averting the public and historic gaze from your own sins and crimes and confusions by taking part in the Two Minute Hate of this ‘New Hitler’. Just say: ‘I oppose Trump, and therefore I’m good.’ Shame on everyone indulging this spectacle, clapping and tweeting as the politicians who started a decade of war berate a politician for passing a three-month travel ban.
And it was said that most on this site opposed Trump. I actually think there are quite few here who are openly sympathetic to his agenda. It really is an alternative fact to believe that only the Left are outraged by Trump. Bercow may be hated by most Tories, and indeed most on the Right but he is still a Conservative MP. Dick Cheney, of all people came out against Trump's immigration policy, and even Mitch McConnell was on CNN this weekend taking a relatively cautious attitude towards Trump's policy. Given that opinion polls show large swathes of the American public disapproving of Trump, it is hard to believe that all of those are liberal lefties.
On the poll posted by isam: recent polling has also shown that most of the British public disagree with Trump's policy. Different polls show different things I guess.
"On the poll posted by isam: recent polling has also shown that most of the British public disagree with Trump's policy"
Yes, that poll showing twice as many British people agreeing with the statement "All further immigration from mainly muslim countries stopped" than disagreeing was taken before Trump made his EO. Maybe people agree with the policy, but don't like to be seen agreeing with the person espousing it. Has happened many times before in polling
The Trump ban did not just cover immigrants, but all visitors, as well as people who already live in the US.
And indefinitely banning Syrian refugees, something not referenced in the Speccie quote
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I've flown PIA once in my life, never again.
Thank feck I don't have any relatives in Pakistan.
PIA use have a great big hoarding at Islamabad airport proclaiming "Pakistan International Airlines - 28 take-offs and 28 landings at Islamabad every day!". I'm sure there were some days when the ledger didn't balance though....
That said, not as bad as flying out of Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, where one of the pilots used to have a parrot on his shoulder during the flight.
He crashed into the volcano on take-off. The ledger didn't balance that day....
It was the old Hong Kong airport that scared the bejesus out of me.
Wuss. What's not to love, looking at what people in Honkers were having for their dinner as you dived between the skyscrapers before that epic ninety degree turn to starboard.... Once got that far as we were trying to land ahead of a typhoon hitting. Pilot bottled it - and pulled the nose up at the turn. Now THAT might have caused you to wreck your kecks...
Didn't Concorde once land at Kai Tak. Now that must have been a sight?
All that said, I used to love going to Pakistan (although Islamabad/Rawalpindi more so than Karachi). It was a glorious kind of bonkers in the nineties. But I could walk everywhere, pair of binoculars, birdwatching - never once had any hassle. Walking in the foothills of the Himalayas before breakfast. Sublime.
These days I wouldn't last five minutes, doing what I used to do. Plus, Al Qaeda blew up my hotel with a truck bomb. Very sad.
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I've flown PIA once in my life, never again.
Thank feck I don't have any relatives in Pakistan.
PIA use have a great big hoarding at Islamabad airport proclaiming "Pakistan International Airlines - 28 take-offs and 28 landings at Islamabad every day!". I'm sure there were some days when the ledger didn't balance though....
That said, not as bad as flying out of Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, where one of the pilots used to have a parrot on his shoulder during the flight.
He crashed into the volcano on take-off. The ledger didn't balance that day....
It was the old Hong Kong airport that scared the bejesus out of me.
Wuss. What's not to love, looking at what people in Honkers were having for their dinner as you dived between the skyscrapers before that epic ninety degree turn to starboard.... Once got that far as we were trying to land ahead of a typhoon hitting. Pilot bottled it - and pulled the nose up at the turn. Now THAT might have caused you to wreck your kecks...
Didn't Concorde once land at Kai Tak. Now that must have been a sight?
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
Trump is a fascinating phenomenon. He has materialised as a consequence of what many on the right predicted - that if the liberal-left establishment just went ahead and did things in the name of the working (wo)man without getting them onside, because it was in their minds "the right thing to do - so fvck 'em if they object", then at some point those they claimed to be speaking for would violently disagree.
That those on the Right thought the dangerous genie that is Trump would come out of the bottle if you kept rubbing it up the wrong way doesn't mean we approve. That is the mistake the liberal-left is making over Trump. The Right - certainly in Europe, and probably through much of the Republican Party - don't consider him "one of their own". However, there is a certain grim satisfaction that the genie should appear as expected. And a wry sense of fun at how the liberal-left propose to get him back in the bottle.
Yeah but the republican party still voted for him. The family values crowd and the small government crowd and the defend the constitution crowd and the free trade crowd all voted for him anyway. Did they pause in the ballot box as they abandoned their principles? Doubt it.
And now people try to blame liberals for Trump. Did we vote for him? I don't think so.
I think the reason for Trump and Brexit is, complacency! In both cases the establishment complacently assumed the great unwashed would vote the way they were told. After a lot of years and innumerable false promises, the VOTER decided they wanted something different
My Mum says the Pakistani news channels are reporting that a flight from Lahore to Heathrow has been diverted to Stanstead, with fighter jets as escorts.
Ah, the delights of Pakistan International Airways. I once travelled with my boss back from Islamabad on PIA. He was a notoriously finicky eater, who hated most international travel because of the indignities to his palate. The look on his face was a picture when PIA served his breakfast muesli - writhing with weevils....
EDIT: I'm not suggesting the disruptive passenger was him. But, on reflection...
I've flown PIA once in my life, never again.
Thank feck I don't have any relatives in Pakistan.
PIA use have a great big hoarding at Islamabad airport proclaiming "Pakistan International Airlines - 28 take-offs and 28 landings at Islamabad every day!". I'm sure there were some days when the ledger didn't balance though....
That said, not as bad as flying out of Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, where one of the pilots used to have a parrot on his shoulder during the flight.
He crashed into the volcano on take-off. The ledger didn't balance that day....
It was the old Hong Kong airport that scared the bejesus out of me.
Wuss. What's not to love, looking at what people in Honkers were having for their dinner as you dived between the skyscrapers before that epic ninety degree turn to starboard.... Once got that far as we were trying to land ahead of a typhoon hitting. Pilot bottled it - and pulled the nose up at the turn. Now THAT might have caused you to wreck your kecks...
I was a callow schoolboy, I went to Hong Kong with my friend and his parents, his Dad who flew to Hong Kong regularly said I should sit in the window seat, he said it was a truly great view, it was beautifully smooth ride, miles away from civilisation, and he stressed again A REALLY SMOOTH APPROACH AND LANDING.
So when you swerve between the skyscrapers and that sharp turn really did scare the crap out of me.
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Marquee Mark ...."Trump is a fascinating phenomenon"
But being fair to Mark nearly everyone is the same. Even Plato treats him as the love that dares not speak its name and usually speaks through one of his fan sites or uses his arguments to attack his opponents
All that said, I used to love going to Pakistan (although Islamabad/Rawalpindi more so than Karachi). It was a glorious kind of bonkers in the nineties. But I could walk everywhere, pair of binoculars, birdwatching - never once had any hassle. Walking in the foothills of the Himalayas before breakfast. Sublime.
These days I wouldn't last five minutes, doing what I used to do. Plus, Al Qaeda blew up my hotel with a truck bomb. Very sad.
My brother has a friend who was recently left with a 2 day stay over in Karachi with a work colleague. When they collected their bags they were genuinely scared and pretty much the only westerners on show.
They were approached by another westerner who suggested that they really shouldn't be there. When he was told they were there for 48 hours he took them to a store and bought enough food and water for that time, delivered them to an hotel, told them not to leave their room (let alone the hotel) under any circumstances and that he would be back to collect them for their flight. His name was "Smith" apparently. 2 days later he came back with colleagues, escorted them back to the airport and helped them through security. When they offered him money for his help they were told his government could afford it.
They weren't anti-Trump because of his proposed actions but because they thought he couldn't win.
Funnier than that, a lot of them were anti-Trump because they thought he wasnt a real conservative, and was just a wishy-washy New York liberal carpetbagger.
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Marquee Mark ...."Trump is a fascinating phenomenon"
But being fair to Mark nearly everyone is the same. Even Plato treats him as the love that dares not speak its name and usually speaks through one of his fan sites or uses his arguments to attack his opponents
Roger, the praying mantis's habit of eating its male partner after copulation is a fascinating phenomenon, but saying so is not the same as being pro-post-copulation-cannibalism. Not even a tiny bit similar, actually.
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Theequidder "But the ridiculously over-the-top behaviour by his opponents can't help but make me wonder whether I shouldn't be sympathetic to him. "
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Theequidder "But the ridiculously over-the-top behaviour by his opponents can't help but make me wonder whether I shouldn't be sympathetic to him. "
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Marquee Mark ...."Trump is a fascinating phenomenon"
But being fair to Mark nearly everyone is the same. Even Plato treats him as the love that dares not speak its name and usually speaks through one of his fan sites or uses his arguments to attack his opponents
Roger, the praying mantis's habit of eating its male partner after copulation is a fascinating phenomenon, but saying so is not the same as being pro-post-copulation-cannibalism. Not even a tiny bit similar, actually.
And rabbits are fascinated by stoats. That doesn't mean they approve of them.
No - America (and the UK) need a wholescale review of their education system to find out how the loonyleft teachers and professors are turning out such damaged children.
All that said, I used to love going to Pakistan (although Islamabad/Rawalpindi more so than Karachi). It was a glorious kind of bonkers in the nineties. But I could walk everywhere, pair of binoculars, birdwatching - never once had any hassle. Walking in the foothills of the Himalayas before breakfast. Sublime.
These days I wouldn't last five minutes, doing what I used to do. Plus, Al Qaeda blew up my hotel with a truck bomb. Very sad.
My brother has a friend who was recently left with a 2 day stay over in Karachi with a work colleague. When they collected their bags they were genuinely scared and pretty much the only westerners on show.
They were approached by another westerner who suggested that they really shouldn't be there. When he was told they were there for 48 hours he took them to a store and bought enough food and water for that time, delivered them to an hotel, told them not to leave their room (let alone the hotel) under any circumstances and that he would be back to collect them for their flight. His name was "Smith" apparently. 2 days later he came back with colleagues, escorted them back to the airport and helped them through security. When they offered him money for his help they were told his government could afford it.
Changed days and not for the better.
Currently in Islamabad. I come here around every three to four months (Karachi, Lahore or here) and do not recognize the country I am in from the stories you are telling.
All that said, I used to love going to Pakistan (although Islamabad/Rawalpindi more so than Karachi). It was a glorious kind of bonkers in the nineties. But I could walk everywhere, pair of binoculars, birdwatching - never once had any hassle. Walking in the foothills of the Himalayas before breakfast. Sublime.
These days I wouldn't last five minutes, doing what I used to do. Plus, Al Qaeda blew up my hotel with a truck bomb. Very sad.
My brother has a friend who was recently left with a 2 day stay over in Karachi with a work colleague. When they collected their bags they were genuinely scared and pretty much the only westerners on show.
They were approached by another westerner who suggested that they really shouldn't be there. When he was told they were there for 48 hours he took them to a store and bought enough food and water for that time, delivered them to an hotel, told them not to leave their room (let alone the hotel) under any circumstances and that he would be back to collect them for their flight. His name was "Smith" apparently. 2 days later he came back with colleagues, escorted them back to the airport and helped them through security. When they offered him money for his help they were told his government could afford it.
Changed days and not for the better.
Currently in Islamabad. I come here around every three to four months (Karachi, Lahore or here) and do not recognize the country I am in from the stories you are telling.
Not been there myself for decades. Just passing on the story.
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Theequidder "But the ridiculously over-the-top behaviour by his opponents can't help but make me wonder whether I shouldn't be sympathetic to him. "
This is a Turkey shoot
428 to go..
Thanks to Edmund, I didn't see Roger's post. He's proved me right, though...!
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Theequidder "But the ridiculously over-the-top behaviour by his opponents can't help but make me wonder whether I shouldn't be sympathetic to him. "
This is a Turkey shoot
*Buzz* fail. He wondered if he shouldn't be sympathetic. I wondered if I should be sympathetic to your pointless bleating, but decided no. I imagine Threequider followed a similar thought process with Trump.
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Theequidder "But the ridiculously over-the-top behaviour by his opponents can't help but make me wonder whether I shouldn't be sympathetic to him. "
This is a Turkey shoot
Fail. I wonder if I should be sympathetic is not the same as I am sympathetic.
No - America (and the UK) need a wholescale review of their education system to find out how the loonyleft teachers and professors are turning out such damaged children.
As a matter of interest, what kind of education system produces someone that thinks calling a black woman 'an ape in heels' is just being bitchy?
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Theequidder "But the ridiculously over-the-top behaviour by his opponents can't help but make me wonder whether I shouldn't be sympathetic to him. "
This is a Turkey shoot
*Buzz* fail. He wondered if he shouldn't be sympathetic. I wondered if I should be sympathetic to your pointless bleating, but decided no. I imagine Threequider followed a similar thought process with Trump.
You're one who doesn't bother with disclaimers which is wise because as every advertiser knows a disclaimer can't be used to negate something which appears on screen
Claire Perry: "I feel like I'm sitting around Jihadis for hard Brexit."
Its quite quaint that she thinks there is any other sort. Its not like we haven't been told by the Eurocrats several times that it is hard brexit or no brexit, and since the referendum mandated leaving the EU, that leaves hard brexit, its not all that complicated.
No - America (and the UK) need a wholescale review of their education system to find out how the loonyleft teachers and professors are turning out such damaged children.
As a matter of interest, what kind of education system produces someone that thinks calling a black woman 'an ape in heels' is just being bitchy?
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
By number of posts I'd say about half. Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer don't count as unsympathetic.
"Pro Trump posts followed by a disclaimer" - quote a couple of such posts, now. There are 858 posts in the current and previous thread, so there are 429 pro-Trump posts for you to choose from. GO!
Theequidder "But the ridiculously over-the-top behaviour by his opponents can't help but make me wonder whether I shouldn't be sympathetic to him. "
This is a Turkey shoot
*Buzz* fail. He wondered if he shouldn't be sympathetic. I wondered if I should be sympathetic to your pointless bleating, but decided no. I imagine Threequider followed a similar thought process with Trump.
You're one who doesn't bother with disclaimers which is wise because as every advertiser knows a disclaimer can't be used to negate something which appears on screen
I could care less either way. I just enjoy the debate.
TSE has thrown his money away at 5-1... Bercow won't go.
There have always been a large number of Tory MPs who loathe him so it's no surprise at all that some are being vocal about it now. But it's always come to nothing.
It doesn't take many Tories to support him or sit on their hands to keep him safe (given he has secure opposition support). And there are plenty enough to whom one or more of the following applies:
1. Believe getting rid of Speakers simply isn't the done thing unless they're on the fiddle or something.
2. Believe Bercow was right on this issue.
3. Don't want to be associated with it in the Speaker's eyes if it all fails.
4. Don't want to be associated with it in the voters' eyes - particularly those moderate Tories who view Trump poorly.
5. Believe it's a distracting non-issue and want nothing to do with it.
Lib Dems and Greens make electoral pact in Broxtowe FEBRUARY 4, 2017 - 1:04 PM The Green Party’s Kat Boettge has publicly posted this (confirmed by Liberal Democrats):
I am delighted to announce that in Broxtowe we, the Green Party having an electoral alliance with the Libdems for the upcoming county elections.
We are not opposing and endorsing Steve Carr in Bramcote and Beeston North, Tim and Jacky in Stapleford and Broxtowe Central. Whilst they endorse me for Kimberley and Nuthall, and Beth Hewitts in Greasley and Brinsley.
It’s time for different politics, of cooperation and opposing the two party system.
The Labour Party has failed to fight in important local campaigns against Oxylane (fortunately which was scrapped anyway), saving the Chapel on the Hill (although my efforts were successful!), building on the green belt (as the vice chair on the neighbourhood planning committee we have also been avoiding) and to save the trees in Kimberley.
I am looking forward to working with the Libdems on our joined aims against fracking, protecting the environment and public services, and affordable/ accessible public transport. Both Tom Brake and Brian Paddick will be part of the official launch of the pact today, so it is one that comes with senior Liberal Democrat support. It also comes with the agreement of local members via a special meeting of the local party. (I believe the Greens also did the same.)
There are many lessons from the past about when such cross-party cooperation does and does not work, so now is a good time for a reminder of my 6 ways to make cross-party political deals work and the excellent chapter by Duncan Brack on lessons from the Ashdown-Blair years although both are more focused on national politics rather than local government.
All that said, I used to love going to Pakistan (although Islamabad/Rawalpindi more so than Karachi). It was a glorious kind of bonkers in the nineties. But I could walk everywhere, pair of binoculars, birdwatching - never once had any hassle. Walking in the foothills of the Himalayas before breakfast. Sublime.
These days I wouldn't last five minutes, doing what I used to do. Plus, Al Qaeda blew up my hotel with a truck bomb. Very sad.
My brother has a friend who was recently left with a 2 day stay over in Karachi with a work colleague. When they collected their bags they were genuinely scared and pretty much the only westerners on show.
They were approached by another westerner who suggested that they really shouldn't be there. When he was told they were there for 48 hours he took them to a store and bought enough food and water for that time, delivered them to an hotel, told them not to leave their room (let alone the hotel) under any circumstances and that he would be back to collect them for their flight. His name was "Smith" apparently. 2 days later he came back with colleagues, escorted them back to the airport and helped them through security. When they offered him money for his help they were told his government could afford it.
Changed days and not for the better.
Currently in Islamabad. I come here around every three to four months (Karachi, Lahore or here) and do not recognize the country I am in from the stories you are telling.
Not been there myself for decades. Just passing on the story.
Last time in Lahore, 4 Westerners and one British Pakistani woman walked for 3 hours around the old city and were serenaded by local women street performers, bought things from the market, took photos of the spice market, etc... etc...
In Karachi last time, walked from the hotel with a blonde American woman, no locals, to a museum through the local park, then the two of us went by taxi to the large shopping mall down by the sea front where we hung out for a while, before getting another local taxi back to the hotel. Then we have spent evenings in restaurants along the coast or having dinner in local colleagues' homes.
In Islamabad, we get a local taxi up the Marjalla Hills to the famous restaurant overlooking the city, or to shopping areas around town.
You can certainly get in trouble in this country, but there is no need to be locked up in your hotel, let alone in your hotel room.
Plenty of people on this site have made observations as to PBers thoughts. Indeed several have made similar observations to mine, so presumably we are all just imaginging. Or there is a hint of truth and many don't want to confront that truth.
There is a hint of truth - a tiny proportion of the hundreds of people who post here are sympathetic to or support Trump. The overwhelming majority, including nearly all 'PB Tories', do not support him.
Trump is a fascinating phenomenon. He has materialised as a consequence of what many on the right predicted - that if the liberal-left establishment just went ahead and did things in the name of the working (wo)man without getting them onside, because it was in their minds "the right thing to do - so fvck 'em if they object", then at some point those they claimed to be speaking for would violently disagree.
That those on the Right thought the dangerous genie that is Trump would come out of the bottle if you kept rubbing it up the wrong way doesn't mean we approve. That is the mistake the liberal-left is making over Trump. The Right - certainly in Europe, and probably through much of the Republican Party - don't consider him "one of their own". However, there is a certain grim satisfaction that the genie should appear as expected. And a wry sense of fun at how the liberal-left propose to get him back in the bottle.
Yeah but the republican party still voted for him. The family values crowd and the small government crowd and the defend the constitution crowd and the free trade crowd all voted for him anyway. Did they pause in the ballot box as they abandoned their principles? Doubt it.
And now people try to blame liberals for Trump. Did we vote for him? I don't think so.
But, when the other candidate describes you as Deplorables, and her party chair says that White people should shut the hell up, and her staff don't even want to pitch for your vote because you're not part of the Ascendant, it does make Trump seem attractive by comparison.
Lib Dems and Greens make electoral pact in Broxtowe FEBRUARY 4, 2017 - 1:04 PM The Green Party’s Kat Boettge has publicly posted this (confirmed by Liberal Democrats):
I am delighted to announce that in Broxtowe we, the Green Party having an electoral alliance with the Libdems for the upcoming county elections.
We are not opposing and endorsing Steve Carr in Bramcote and Beeston North, Tim and Jacky in Stapleford and Broxtowe Central. Whilst they endorse me for Kimberley and Nuthall, and Beth Hewitts in Greasley and Brinsley.
It’s time for different politics, of cooperation and opposing the two party system.
The Labour Party has failed to fight in important local campaigns against Oxylane (fortunately which was scrapped anyway), saving the Chapel on the Hill (although my efforts were successful!), building on the green belt (as the vice chair on the neighbourhood planning committee we have also been avoiding) and to save the trees in Kimberley.
I am looking forward to working with the Libdems on our joined aims against fracking, protecting the environment and public services, and affordable/ accessible public transport. Both Tom Brake and Brian Paddick will be part of the official launch of the pact today, so it is one that comes with senior Liberal Democrat support. It also comes with the agreement of local members via a special meeting of the local party. (I believe the Greens also did the same.)
There are many lessons from the past about when such cross-party cooperation does and does not work, so now is a good time for a reminder of my 6 ways to make cross-party political deals work and the excellent chapter by Duncan Brack on lessons from the Ashdown-Blair years although both are more focused on national politics rather than local government.
Why don't they just merge?
Pick up a few Labour remainers, rebrand as the European Democrats or similar, Bob's your uncle...
'I could care less' is a horrendous abuse of English.
Well said. Horrible Americanism
In my defense I have spent most of the last two decades with people that speak American, I even caught myself using words like color and centimeter the other day
I'm calling dodgy poll on this as it paraphrases the arguments as "remain neutral" versus "stand up for MPs". Everyone likes neutrality, nobody likes MPs... so I'm surprised it's even close.
If the poll had been "Right - Parliament should not roll out the red carpet for Donald Trump" or "Wrong - The Government should be able to decide whether foreign leaders address Parliament", the result would've been totally different (I'm not saying it should've done that - I just find all these sort of questions leading to the point of worthlessness).
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France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
Yes, some folk always deploy the argument "it's not the X, it's the dishonesty over X" as a way to conceal the fact they are actually deeply bothered about X. If X genuinely doesn't matter, people don't expect others to shout it from the rooftops.
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France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
Yes, some folk always deploy the argument "it's not the X, it's the dishonesty over X" as a way to conceal the fact they are actually deeply bothered about X. If X genuinely doesn't matter, people don't expect others to shout it from the rooftops.
it's an election
and if nailing him on character works his opponents will crap on him
Whether Bercow resigns or not Lord Fowler has made him look a self indulgent fool and he has lost authority to act in a non biased way as Speaker. His end in the role has been much advanced by his foolishness
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France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
Yes, some folk always deploy the argument "it's not the X, it's the dishonesty over X" as a way to conceal the fact they are actually deeply bothered about X. If X genuinely doesn't matter, people don't expect others to shout it from the rooftops.
it's an election
and if nailing him on character works his opponents will crap on him
He's come out with a watertight defence today. If anyone has evidence of him living a double life it must be a 'hologram' because he doesn't have the time.
'I could care less' is a horrendous abuse of English.
Well said. Horrible Americanism
In my defense I have spent most of the last two decades with people that speak American, I even caught myself using words like color and centimeter the other day
I find myself saying gas (petrol), zee and garaaaj (garridge) too frequently for my own taste.
Fillon expenses Sarkozy suspected fraud Hamon Corbyn junior Macron closet gay Le Pen expenses
France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
Yes, some folk always deploy the argument "it's not the X, it's the dishonesty over X" as a way to conceal the fact they are actually deeply bothered about X. If X genuinely doesn't matter, people don't expect others to shout it from the rooftops.
Well, quite. If a male politician tried to keep his girlfriend out of the public eye how much traction would "it's the dishonesty over being heterosexual" have?
All that said, I used to love going to Pakistan (although Islamabad/Rawalpindi more so than Karachi). It was a glorious kind of bonkers in the nineties. But I could walk everywhere, pair of binoculars, birdwatching - never once had any hassle. Walking in the foothills of the Himalayas before breakfast. Sublime.
These days I wouldn't last five minutes, doing what I used to do. Plus, Al Qaeda blew up my hotel with a truck bomb. Very sad.
My brother has a friend who was recently left with a 2 day stay over in Karachi with a work colleague. When they collected their bags they were genuinely scared and pretty much the only westerners on show.
They were approached by another westerner who suggested that they really shouldn't be there. When he was told they were there for 48 hours he took them to a store and bought enough food and water for that time, delivered them to an hotel, told them not to leave their room (let alone the hotel) under any circumstances and that he would be back to collect them for their flight. His name was "Smith" apparently. 2 days later he came back with colleagues, escorted them back to the airport and helped them through security. When they offered him money for his help they were told his government could afford it.
Changed days and not for the better.
Currently in Islamabad. I come here around every three to four months (Karachi, Lahore or here) and do not recognize the country I am in from the stories you are telling.
Not been there myself for decades. Just passing on the story.
Last time in Lahore, 4 Westerners and one British Pakistani woman walked for 3 hours around the old city and were serenaded by local women street performers, bought things from the market, took photos of the spice market, etc... etc...
In Karachi last time, walked from the hotel with a blonde American woman, no locals, to a museum through the local park, then the two of us went by taxi to the large shopping mall down by the sea front where we hung out for a while, before getting another local taxi back to the hotel. Then we have spent evenings in restaurants along the coast or having dinner in local colleagues' homes.
In Islamabad, we get a local taxi up the Marjalla Hills to the famous restaurant overlooking the city, or to shopping areas around town.
You can certainly get in trouble in this country, but there is no need to be locked up in your hotel, let alone in your hotel room.
Good to know that restaurant is still going. Been there a few times.
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France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
Yes, some folk always deploy the argument "it's not the X, it's the dishonesty over X" as a way to conceal the fact they are actually deeply bothered about X. If X genuinely doesn't matter, people don't expect others to shout it from the rooftops.
it's an election
and if nailing him on character works his opponents will crap on him
He's come out with a watertight defence today. If anyone has evidence of him living a double life it must be a 'hologram' because he doesn't have the time.
he has come out with a defence whether its water tight remains to be seen
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France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
I think that is a non starter. Why should anyone be forced to reveal their sexuality of they don't want to? He is not being accused of a crime. He is not even being accused of something that is morally dubious. Should we claim that Le Pen is hiding something because she has not explicitly stated she is heterosexual?
Hopefully the French will take a more reasoned view of this.
'I could care less' is a horrendous abuse of English.
Well said. Horrible Americanism
In my defense I have spent most of the last two decades with people that speak American, I even caught myself using words like color and centimeter the other day
I find myself saying gas (petrol), zee and garaaaj (garridge) too frequently for my own taste.
I have to do that all the time. Where I live at the moment most people's English is pretty indifferent, and what they have learnt is mostly from US television or from EnglishAmerican lessons in school. If I dont imitate an American in vocabulary and manner its much harder to make myself understood!
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France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
I think that is a non starter. Why should anyone be forced to reveal their sexuality of they don't want to? He is not being accused of a crime. He is not even being accused of something that is morally dubious. Should we claim that Le Pen is hiding something because she has not explicitly stated she is heterosexual?
Hopefully the French will take a more reasoned view of this.
you think the french and the FN will take a reasonable view ?
'I could care less' is a horrendous abuse of English.
Well said. Horrible Americanism
In my defense I have spent most of the last two decades with people that speak American, I even caught myself using words like color and centimeter the other day
I find myself saying gas (petrol), zee and garaaaj (garridge) too frequently for my own taste.
I have to do that all the time. Where I live at the moment most people's English is pretty indifferent, and what they have learnt is mostly from US television or from EnglishAmerican lessons in school. If I dont imitate an American in vocabulary and manner its much harder to make myself understood!
Fillon expenses Sarkozy suspected fraud Hamon Corbyn junior Macron closet gay Le Pen expenses
France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
I think that is a non starter. Why should anyone be forced to reveal their sexuality of they don't want to? He is not being accused of a crime. He is not even being accused of something that is morally dubious. Should we claim that Le Pen is hiding something because she has not explicitly stated she is heterosexual?
Hopefully the French will take a more reasoned view of this.
you think the french and the NF will take a reasonable view ?
good luck with that
Many of Le Pen's lieutenants are gay. It would be counter-productive for Le Pen to try to use this and would blunt her claim to be defending French values against a foreign culture.
No - America (and the UK) need a wholescale review of their education system to find out how the loonyleft teachers and professors are turning out such damaged children.
The teachers I know (in the UK), loony left or otherwise, are so busy trying to get through teaching the curriculum that they sadly don't appear to have time to subvert or indoctrinate their pupils with evil liberal propaganda.
Strangely each passing generation is a little more tolerant.....so they must be doing something right.
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France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
I think that is a non starter. Why should anyone be forced to reveal their sexuality of they don't want to? He is not being accused of a crime. He is not even being accused of something that is morally dubious. Should we claim that Le Pen is hiding something because she has not explicitly stated she is heterosexual?
Hopefully the French will take a more reasoned view of this.
you think the french and the NF will take a reasonable view ?
good luck with that
Many of Le Pen's lieutenants are gay. It would be counter-productive for Le Pen to try to use this and would blunt her claim to be defending French values against a foreign culture.
chortle
you think that if Le Pen could knock off several points from traditional left wing voters by portraying Macron as an out of touch banker with a gay lifesteyle she wouldnt take it ?
No - America (and the UK) need a wholescale review of their education system to find out how the loonyleft teachers and professors are turning out such damaged children.
The teachers I know (in the UK), loony left or otherwise, are so busy trying to get through teaching the curriculum that they sadly don't appear to have time to subvert or indoctrinate their pupils with evil liberal propaganda.
Strangely each passing generation is a little more tolerant.....so they must be doing something right.
And a good deal more entitled, and less able to read, write, add up, and generally get through life, so thanks for that.
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France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
I think that is a non starter. Why should anyone be forced to reveal their sexuality of they don't want to? He is not being accused of a crime. He is not even being accused of something that is morally dubious. Should we claim that Le Pen is hiding something because she has not explicitly stated she is heterosexual?
Hopefully the French will take a more reasoned view of this.
you think the french and the NF will take a reasonable view ?
good luck with that
Many of Le Pen's lieutenants are gay. It would be counter-productive for Le Pen to try to use this and would blunt her claim to be defending French values against a foreign culture.
chortle
you think that if Le Pen could knock off several points from traditional left wing voters by portraying Macron as an out of touch banker with a gay lifesteyle she wouldnt take it ?
nuts
Those people aren't voting for Macron anyway in the first round. That's Melenchon's pond.
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France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
I think that is a non starter. Why should anyone be forced to reveal their sexuality of they don't want to? He is not being accused of a crime. He is not even being accused of something that is morally dubious. Should we claim that Le Pen is hiding something because she has not explicitly stated she is heterosexual?
Hopefully the French will take a more reasoned view of this.
you think the french and the FN will take a reasonable view ?
good luck with that
I don't think it is reasonable to conflate the French and FN.
No - America (and the UK) need a wholescale review of their education system to find out how the loonyleft teachers and professors are turning out such damaged children.
The teachers I know (in the UK), loony left or otherwise, are so busy trying to get through teaching the curriculum that they sadly don't appear to have time to subvert or indoctrinate their pupils with evil liberal propaganda.
Strangely each passing generation is a little more tolerant.....so they must be doing something right.
And a good deal more entitled, and less able to read, write, add up, and generally get through life, so thanks for that.
"and less able to read, write, add up,"
Citation required.
As far as I'm aware, functional illiteracy and innumeracy have been static at about 20% for many decades. Whilst that's nothing to be proud of, it doesn't appear to be getting worse.
Fillon expenses Sarkozy suspected fraud Hamon Corbyn junior Macron closet gay Le Pen expenses
France really has a fantastic choice
The odd one out is Macron - nothing wrong if he is gay, though I don't know if the French would be bothered.
the issue isnt the gayness its that hes apparently trying to hide it
I think that is a non starter. Why should anyone be forced to reveal their sexuality of they don't want to? He is not being accused of a crime. He is not even being accused of something that is morally dubious. Should we claim that Le Pen is hiding something because she has not explicitly stated she is heterosexual?
Hopefully the French will take a more reasoned view of this.
you think the french and the FN will take a reasonable view ?
good luck with that
I don't think it is reasonable to conflate the French and FN.
whether you do or dont is immaterial, the issue is whether it will cost Macron support
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55% of Tory MPs said in June 2016 that they'd vote Remain.
'The future is female': Hillary Clinton's first post-election statement reminds us why she lost https://t.co/P7FBGVFYEc
Reach out and feel the warmth of her sincerity
https://youtu.be/WzgfyEwwa_4
And now people try to blame liberals for Trump. Did we vote for him? I don't think so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwQev_zC0y0
Or you could pack meat and two veg.
The one time I went to Glyndebourne my lunch was packed in Tupperware.
That said, not as bad as flying out of Bioko Island, Equatorial Guinea, where one of the pilots used to have a parrot on his shoulder during the flight.
He crashed into the volcano on take-off. The ledger didn't balance that day....
Image 10.
Just wow.
These days I wouldn't last five minutes, doing what I used to do. Plus, Al Qaeda blew up my hotel with a truck bomb. Very sad.
Live with it
So when you swerve between the skyscrapers and that sharp turn really did scare the crap out of me.
The bastard thought it was really funny.
And there was a typhoon.
Bastard.
But being fair to Mark nearly everyone is the same. Even Plato treats him as the love that dares not speak its name and usually speaks through one of his fan sites or uses his arguments to attack his opponents
They were approached by another westerner who suggested that they really shouldn't be there. When he was told they were there for 48 hours he took them to a store and bought enough food and water for that time, delivered them to an hotel, told them not to leave their room (let alone the hotel) under any circumstances and that he would be back to collect them for their flight. His name was "Smith" apparently. 2 days later he came back with colleagues, escorted them back to the airport and helped them through security. When they offered him money for his help they were told his government could afford it.
Changed days and not for the better.
https://twitter.com/HuffingtonPost/status/829019832800653313
This is a Turkey shoot
I can think of better candidates...
https://mobile.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/829023434462085121
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France really has a fantastic choice
Full Claire Perry quote calling for a calm debate and then describing her Leave colleagues as "jihadis" https://t.co/qsreIlmS8h https://t.co/TpP5aEAOD6
'I could care less' is a horrendous abuse of English.
There have always been a large number of Tory MPs who loathe him so it's no surprise at all that some are being vocal about it now. But it's always come to nothing.
It doesn't take many Tories to support him or sit on their hands to keep him safe (given he has secure opposition support). And there are plenty enough to whom one or more of the following applies:
1. Believe getting rid of Speakers simply isn't the done thing unless they're on the fiddle or something.
2. Believe Bercow was right on this issue.
3. Don't want to be associated with it in the Speaker's eyes if it all fails.
4. Don't want to be associated with it in the voters' eyes - particularly those moderate Tories who view Trump poorly.
5. Believe it's a distracting non-issue and want nothing to do with it.
FEBRUARY 4, 2017 - 1:04 PM
The Green Party’s Kat Boettge has publicly posted this (confirmed by Liberal Democrats):
I am delighted to announce that in Broxtowe we, the Green Party having an electoral alliance with the Libdems for the upcoming county elections.
We are not opposing and endorsing Steve Carr in Bramcote and Beeston North, Tim and Jacky in Stapleford and Broxtowe Central. Whilst they endorse me for Kimberley and Nuthall, and Beth Hewitts in Greasley and Brinsley.
It’s time for different politics, of cooperation and opposing the two party system.
The Labour Party has failed to fight in important local campaigns against Oxylane (fortunately which was scrapped anyway), saving the Chapel on the Hill (although my efforts were successful!), building on the green belt (as the vice chair on the neighbourhood planning committee we have also been avoiding) and to save the trees in Kimberley.
I am looking forward to working with the Libdems on our joined aims against fracking, protecting the environment and public services, and affordable/ accessible public transport.
Both Tom Brake and Brian Paddick will be part of the official launch of the pact today, so it is one that comes with senior Liberal Democrat support. It also comes with the agreement of local members via a special meeting of the local party. (I believe the Greens also did the same.)
There are many lessons from the past about when such cross-party cooperation does and does not work, so now is a good time for a reminder of my 6 ways to make cross-party political deals work and the excellent chapter by Duncan Brack on lessons from the Ashdown-Blair years although both are more focused on national politics rather than local government.
https://order-order.com/2017/02/07/nick-boles-leaves-hospital-to-make-article-50-vote/
In Karachi last time, walked from the hotel with a blonde American woman, no locals, to a museum through the local park, then the two of us went by taxi to the large shopping mall down by the sea front where we hung out for a while, before getting another local taxi back to the hotel. Then we have spent evenings in restaurants along the coast or having dinner in local colleagues' homes.
In Islamabad, we get a local taxi up the Marjalla Hills to the famous restaurant overlooking the city, or to shopping areas around town.
You can certainly get in trouble in this country, but there is no need to be locked up in your hotel, let alone in your hotel room.
Pick up a few Labour remainers, rebrand as the European Democrats or similar, Bob's your uncle...
If the poll had been "Right - Parliament should not roll out the red carpet for Donald Trump" or "Wrong - The Government should be able to decide whether foreign leaders address Parliament", the result would've been totally different (I'm not saying it should've done that - I just find all these sort of questions leading to the point of worthlessness).
But spellings aren't really important. That particular Americanism is the work of Satan, however.
But I forgive you. We EU-sceptics must stick together.
and if nailing him on character works his opponents will crap on him
That might shoot his fox.
NEW THREAD
Hopefully the French will take a more reasoned view of this.
you think the french and the FN will take a reasonable view ?
good luck with that
Strangely each passing generation is a little more tolerant.....so they must be doing something right.
you think that if Le Pen could knock off several points from traditional left wing voters by portraying Macron as an out of touch banker with a gay lifesteyle she wouldnt take it ?
nuts
Citation required.
As far as I'm aware, functional illiteracy and innumeracy have been static at about 20% for many decades. Whilst that's nothing to be proud of, it doesn't appear to be getting worse.
Is five out of ten a pass mark then?