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In spite of the massive petition against it and the huge furore and demonstrations within the last 48 hours new UK polling this morning finds that 49% telling a YouGov Times poll that the visit should go ahead with 36% saying it shouldn’t.
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Bush came after the huge anti-Iraq protests - and had large protests when he was here too:
Tens of thousands of demonstrators in Trafalgar Square cheered and whistled Thursday as a papier-mâché effigy of President Bush, painted gold to resemble the toppled statue of Saddam Hussein, was yanked to the ground at a peaceful rally.
Marching their way through the heart of the city as dusk settled over Big Ben, the protesters expressed their anger over Mr. Bush's state visit, his policy on Iraq and his close alliance with Prime Minister Tony Blair.
The protest, which Scotland Yard said drew 110,000 and the organizers say attracted 200,000, was one of the biggest-ever midweek demonstrations in London. The police lined the streets along the march's route to ensure order, and they largely succeeded.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/world/a-region-inflamed-protest-marchers-in-london-denounce-bush-visit.html
It will go ahead.....just ask Twitter (not...)
The response? 'Hannan's a right wing nutter' - truly some of these people are beyond help....
Off topic another landmark day. " We're producing more history than we can consume " as Davis said. The Second Reading vote tonight to not only leave Europe but vote to do so overwhelmingly is epochal. Yes the parliamentary procedure will rumble on. Yes the Remain campaign will have at least another two years to run. However the House of Commons, the cockpit of the nation, will have spoken on the principle tonight. It's an historic Rubicon. The consequences of an overwhelmingly pro Remain body heavily voting for something it knows will be a disaster is another story for another day. However it's a profound constitutional inovation.
Its not 1936 and Trump isn't Hitler, although in many ways the global situation is as if not more volatile than it was then. The Trump administration is extremely dangerous because his solutions undermine moderate forces throughout the islamic world and pour fuel on the fire of radicals. But we have to also accept that the previous system wasn't working and that the Merkel solution to the refugee crisis was equally flawed, and that islamism is a profound threat to our western values that has to be tackled. I'm afraid to say that given the choice between living under Trump and living under some type of Islamic government I will always choose the former as would I assume the vast majority of posters on here.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/03/how-to-build-an-autocracy/513872/#a-c1e8f10d-fa08-40b7-908e-9b4040187b03
So if today's polls have 49/36 in favour of him visiting " today they ring their bells, tomorrow they'll wrong their hands." I'm happy with those numbers on Day 12.
I do think the US risks a significant erosion of democracy (I quite like postfacsicm btw).
I really hope it doesn't happen... But it will need republican politicians to stand up to Trump... And I see no evidence that they will do so whatever he does.
If Twitter, and some of the more excitable posters on here are to be believed, after Mrs May's disastrous visit to Trump we should see her approval ratings collapse....
All forms of religious fundamentalism (including christian fundamentalism) which aspire to political expression are a threat to western liberal democracy.
They're acting like the official opposition, making news rather than reporting it and agitating. There's no noticeable distinction between news and opinion. Fake news has occupied more cycles than legitimate news in just the last week.
The desire to believe anything negative or assign the worst possible interpretation of events isn't helping either . I can think of half a dozen examples off the top of my head where they've run around crying about some supposed eff up, then walked back on it several hours later - but in a little voice instead.
It's entertaining to watch the hysteria - but it's terrible for their reputation. Before Trump took office, their trust a lot/quite a bit ratings were c40% or less - I can't believe it's that much now.
Our own isn't any better, there's no attempt to even disguise what they think of Trump or those who voted him in. Quite extraordinary and unprofessional.
In meeting with Pharma companies @Amgen CEO tells @POTUS they are adding 1600 jobs
On the High Court and Supreme Court rulings, it seems to me that the "in the British Constitution referendums are not binding" stuff was suitable for 1950, but not 2016. The British Constitution is a developing beast and history is that referenda *are* binding. #
As I see it the Judges had their heads in a bucket making whistling noises.
But I wouldn't worry about it wrt to Brexit because the whole legal thing was just displacement activity anyway from a practical point of view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHIV3uPj4zU
A wise (ahem) man once said, "Britain and Twitter are not the same thing".
"Methinks thou dost protest too much"
- William Shakespeare https://t.co/U2RwFmvzOl
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Dave Collum
Protest signs with a fill-in-the-blank section. We have become a little bit too whiny I would say... https://t.co/jeFmOxPE98
Well, knock me down with a feather.
NICOLA Sturgeon will have “no choice” but to call a second independence referendum if the UK government rejects a bespoke Scottish deal on Europe, her Brexit minister has warned
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/15061056.Warning_that_Sturgeon_will_have__quot_no_choice_quot__but_to_call_Indyref2/#comments-anchor
Edit - mind you, this was fro the man that gave us that unqualified success called 'Scottish Education'......
Feminism does indeed have an image problem.
"Q11. Which of the following statements best describes your view?"
Women:
I describe myself as a feminist: 9.2%
I believe in equality for women and men but I don’t describe myself as a feminist: 64.9%
I feel excluded by feminism: 2.0%
I think feminism is irrelevant: 6.6%
I am opposed to feminism: 3.2%
I don’t know what feminism stands for: 3.7%
None of the above: 10.3%
http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Female-tables-1-36-39-cover.pdf
Men:
I describe myself as a feminist: 4.0 %
I believe in equality for women and men but I don’t describe myself as a feminist: 56.3%
I feel excluded by feminism: 4.2%
I think feminism is irrelevant: 11.0%
I am opposed to feminism: 5.3%
I don’t know what feminism stands for: 3.7%
None of the above: 15.3%
http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Male-tables-1-36-39-cover.pdf
German police raid 54 locations in major counter-terrorism op against alleged group of ISIS supporters - @BNONews
https://t.co/3c3G7W0kkK
Most importantly: he was right.
Oh Well!
But, despite having no love for Trump, I was sorely tempted to sign the pro petition purely because I detest the sorts of people who were agitating against him.
#Frankfurt: the raids targeted 54 homes, businesses and mosques in the state of Hesse (@BILD)
How that pans out politically is a whole different discussion though. Voters won't blame themselves if/when it all goes horribly wrong.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/my-jewish-irish-asian-italian-friends-joshua-brown?trk=eml-email_feed_ecosystem_digest_01-hero-0-null&midToken=AQGeZ3xrCuo6dA&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=39fL29nRtAV7A1
Next Doctor Who? It must be a woman, Harman tells the BBC: Labour grandee also demands assistant is a man so she can 'tell him what to do'
Harriet Harman said BBC should give the role of Doctor Who to a woman
She said the Doctor's assistant should be a man, so she could 'tell him what to do'
Net go ahead:
OA: +13
Leave: +46
Remain: -19
VI
Con: +61
Lab: -36
LibD: -27
UKIP: +67
All regions (including London) were net positive, except for Scotland, marginally negative (-2)
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/orzji7t2u3/TimesResults_170131_Trump_2_W.pdf
Net go ahead:
Leave: +46
Remain: -19
*It amuses me the the only part of the UK legislature to have no only gender balance rules but positive discrimination until we get there are the 26 Anglican Bishops in the Lord's.
** It also amuses me that the conservatism of Dr Who is rooted in the enormously sucessful Thatcher commercalisation reforms. It's the fact it's such a money spinning global hit that they daren't tamper with the formula.
Citation needed. Otherwise, another "I suspect" is required.
From the tone of the thread, I suspect OGH is slightly narked at the national mood....
1. A female Dr. Who
2. Er.....
3. Remain?
4. No, I meant, honour the Brexit vote
5. (No, secretly we mean remain!)
6. Er...
7. That's it.
If ever anything needed to regenerate, it ain't Dr. Who!
Anyway, having seen Glenda Jackson's superb King Lear last year I think the most important point is this: whoever gets the role they will be acting.
Perhaps we should view parliament's ability to override the public's expressed opinion in referendums as a kind of equivalent to the Royal reserve powers: there in legal force and usable in exceptional circumstances but otherwise something of a fiction.
Other than referendums, obviously parliament has the constitutional right to enact laws as it sees fit but that's still just a temporary devolvement of sovereignty given every five years or so by the people.
I expect the new circle will be squared by us not having another national referendum for decades. The people can be Soveriegn but Parliament won't ask them to decide anything involving sharp cutlery.
It took Donald Trump less than a week to drive a wedge between the constitutionally weak Europeans. His travel ban applies to people with dual passports – except to those with dual British citizenship. It was a concession Britain’s foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, managed to negotiate directly with the White House.
Angela Merkel assures Germans with dual citizens her full support, and promised to co-ordinate the position with other European member states. She said yesterday that Trump’s policy did not reflect her idea of the international co-operation and how to deal with refugees, but there was not even a hint of any action, or counter-action. We noted a comment by Italy’s new foreign minister, Angelino Alfano, that we should stop hyperventilating about Trump. What else can the EU do, having made itself totally dependent on the US for its defence?
The Conservative Party yesterday strongly rallied behind Theresa May and her pro-US position. It is becoming very clear that the combination of Brexit and the election of Donald Trump will simultaneously reposition the UK geo-strategically and economically, and weaken the EU. This is why we think the EU would be best served by agreeing a friendly Brexit as quickly as possible.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-01/trump-drives-wedge-eu
Is there a parallel though with gay rights... Who IIRC decided (and I think were successful) in reclaiming the word gay?
https://order-order.com/2017/02/01/tories-start-candidate-selection-process-early/
I think we remember the numerous comments prior to 2015 saying how slow the Tories were at selecting candidates
And that was when he was leader of the Labour Party, a candidate for Prime Minister and seemingly at serious risk of becoming so.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-01/trump-raised-record-6-5-million-in-weeks-after-winning-election
CCHQ Accelerating Candidate Selection Process - In Labour Held Seats... #SaveJez https://t.co/3ZuUg5qgcn
Both largely hinge on mutual respect.